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JordansBulls
10-08-2008, 05:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/rankings


1.

Chris Paul 2008-09 Projected PER: 30.13
League Average Comparison: +15.13
2007-08 PER: 28.39


2.

LeBron James 2008-09 Projected PER: 29.65
League Average Comparison: +14.65
2007-08 PER: 29.23


3.

Amare Stoudemire 2008-09 Projected PER: 27.68
League Average Comparison: +12.68
2007-08 PER: 27.61


4.

Yao Ming 2008-09 Projected PER: 24.60
League Average Comparison: +9.60
2007-08 PER: 22.61


5.

Kevin Garnett 2008-09 Projected PER: 24.37
League Average Comparison: +9.37
2007-08 PER: 25.30


6.

Kobe Bryant 2008-09 Projected PER: 23.83
League Average Comparison: +8.83
2007-08 PER: 24.31


7.

Tim Duncan 2008-09 Projected PER: 23.63
League Average Comparison: +8.63
2007-08 PER: 24.41


8.

Chris Bosh 2008-09 Projected PER: 23.45
League Average Comparison: +8.45
2007-08 PER: 23.88


9.

Manu Ginobili 2008-09 Projected PER: 23.19
League Average Comparison: +8.19
2007-08 PER: 24.34


10.

Dwight Howard 2008-09 Projected PER: 22.66
League Average Comparison: +7.66
2007-08 PER: 22.98


11.

Dirk Nowitzki 2008-09 Projected PER: 22.22
League Average Comparison: +7.22
2007-08 PER: 24.66


12.

Chauncey Billups 2008-09 Projected PER: 22.03
League Average Comparison: +7.03
2007-08 PER: 23.61


13.

Al Jefferson 2008-09 Projected PER: 21.98
League Average Comparison: +6.98
2007-08 PER: 22.80


14.

Dwyane Wade 2008-09 Projected PER: 21.90
League Average Comparison: +6.90
2007-08 PER: 21.63


15.

Carmelo Anthony 2008-09 Projected PER: 21.37
League Average Comparison: +6.37
2007-08 PER: 21.16


16.

Deron Williams 2008-09 Projected PER: 20.98
League Average Comparison: +5.98
2007-08 PER: 20.82


17.

Gilbert Arenas 2008-09 Projected PER: 20.94
League Average Comparison: +5.94
2007-08 PER: 18.30


18.

Pau Gasol 2008-09 Projected PER: 20.89
League Average Comparison: +5.89
2007-08 PER: 21.68


19.

Allen Iverson 2008-09 Projected PER: 20.89
League Average Comparison: +5.89
2007-08 PER: 20.92


20.

Andrew Bynum 2008-09 Projected PER: 20.71
League Average Comparison: +5.71
2007-08 PER: 22.60

Vinny642
10-08-2008, 05:49 PM
Yay CP3 number one

Vinny642
10-08-2008, 05:49 PM
but three fakers kills it

pete_one
10-08-2008, 05:56 PM
CP3 #1, very likely

sp1derm00
10-08-2008, 05:57 PM
Good rankings...

I see CP3 being relied on even more on the Hornets with Pargo leaving. Posey, when he does play has a great outside shot that while isn't close to Peja's... is still very good.

Lebron's PER is probably a bit too high with Mo Williams joining the ranks of the Cavs. I see Lebron getting a reduced role, and thus, a reduced PER.

I actually see Amare getting a higher PER than LBJ. Amare with Shaq on the roster has been a BEAST and his PER stands to go up a lot more than the projected PER has given him.

Kobe's PER seems about right with his projected (by PJ) reduced role and just the sheer number of players that can create on the Lakers roster.

Wade will probably bump Kobe down on the PER rankings since he's been looking a lot healthier since the Olympics and Wade is relied upon to do a lot more now.

However, the one thing that bugs me is that on the actual page, they state that LBJ is hands down the best player in the league. Last I checked, that title still belongs (at least to the majority of fans) to Kobe. Just because Kobe has to do less now because of the quality of his team, doesn't mean he's a lesser player. Kobe took on the role of a defensive stopper on team USA and he did well, but he also stepped up at a crucial moment (gold medal game) and produced when LBJ couldn't and should have... essentially supplanting LBJ's role and taking it upon himself to win the game. Great leadership by LBJ, the self-proclaimed leader of the Redeem Team.

I still say Kobe is the best player in the world, and I realize that while it's only my opinion, ESPN's solidity that LBJ is the best player in the league bothers me a great deal.

DreamShaker
10-08-2008, 05:59 PM
Good to see Landry in the top 25 woot-woot!!!

ARMIN12NBA
10-08-2008, 06:00 PM
Good rankings...

I see CP3 being relied on even more on the Hornets with Pargo leaving. Posey, when he does play has a great outside shot that while isn't close to Peja's... is still very good.

Lebron's PER is probably a bit too high with Mo Williams joining the ranks of the Cavs. I see Lebron getting a reduced role, and thus, a reduced PER.

I actually see Amare getting a higher PER than LBJ. Amare with Shaq on the roster has been a BEAST and his PER stands to go up a lot more than the projected PER has given him.

Kobe's PER seems about right with his projected (by PJ) reduced role and just the sheer number of players that can create on the Lakers roster.

Wade will probably bump Kobe down on the PER rankings since he's been looking a lot healthier since the Olympics and Wade is relied upon to do a lot more now.

However, the one thing that bugs me is that on the actual page, they state that LBJ is hands down the best player in the league. Last I checked, that title still belongs (at least to the majority of fans) to Kobe. Just because Kobe has to do less now because of the quality of his team, doesn't mean he's a lesser player. Kobe took on the role of a defensive stopper on team USA and he did well, but he also stepped up at a crucial moment (gold medal game) and produced when LBJ couldn't and should have... essentially supplanting LBJ's role and taking it upon himself to win the game. Great leadership by LBJ, the self-proclaimed leader of the Redeem Team.

I still say Kobe is the best player in the world, and I realize that while it's only my opinion, ESPN's solidity that LBJ is the best player in the league bothers me a great deal.

After the Olympics and how they saw how most people around the world like Kobe, ESPN and Nike are trying to work extra hard to shove LBJ down our throats. They are basically trying to recreate the 90's (a la MJ) and it's not working. Good for the people...They aren't taking ESPN and Nike's BS.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
10-08-2008, 06:39 PM
fair list

theuuord
10-08-2008, 06:55 PM
I noticed earlier there are no rookies on the list.

Hawkeye15
10-08-2008, 10:21 PM
Rookies aren't given projected PER's. There is nothing to base off. As far as the Kobe/Lebron thing, everyone has their opinion. Anyone who is a Laker fan says Kobe, anyone who is a Cav's fans say LJ. Fact is, there is no clear cut best player currently. There are reasons both have a case. And Paul has creeped into the conversation as well. That is what make sports awesome, the different opinions, and being fans of different stars.
IMO, LeBron is the best player in the NBA. But there is plenty of justification for Kobe, no doubt.

Chronz
10-09-2008, 03:14 AM
If Kobes PER does fall it will continue to be because hes making the players around him better, his usage has dropped in 3 consecutive seasons and his assist ratios have continued to climb and best of all hes doing it while posting career best rates in possession efficiency. PER is a usage driven stat, if a players usage is low then its either because hes declined or the team around him has improved. Such is the case with Kobe so dont think his low PER means hes really declining. Unless of course he pulls a Tmac where he continues to dominate his teams possessions but is unable to maintain his efficiency, that is a TRUE DECLINE.

Im hoping alot of these projections are wrong though

theuuord
10-09-2008, 04:04 AM
Rookies aren't given projected PER's. There is nothing to base off.

Not true. Hollinger normally does PER projections up to a player's third year straight out of college. Check this offseason, he had multiple articles on rookie projected PER.

Chronz
10-09-2008, 04:35 AM
Good rankings...

I see CP3 being relied on even more on the Hornets with Pargo leaving. Posey, when he does play has a great outside shot that while isn't close to Peja's... is still very good.

Lebron's PER is probably a bit too high with Mo Williams joining the ranks of the Cavs. I see Lebron getting a reduced role, and thus, a reduced PER.

I actually see Amare getting a higher PER than LBJ. Amare with Shaq on the roster has been a BEAST and his PER stands to go up a lot more than the projected PER has given him.

Kobe's PER seems about right with his projected (by PJ) reduced role and just the sheer number of players that can create on the Lakers roster.

Wade will probably bump Kobe down on the PER rankings since he's been looking a lot healthier since the Olympics and Wade is relied upon to do a lot more now.

However, the one thing that bugs me is that on the actual page, they state that LBJ is hands down the best player in the league. Last I checked, that title still belongs (at least to the majority of fans) to Kobe. Just because Kobe has to do less now because of the quality of his team, doesn't mean he's a lesser player. Kobe took on the role of a defensive stopper on team USA and he did well, but he also stepped up at a crucial moment (gold medal game) and produced when LBJ couldn't and should have... essentially supplanting LBJ's role and taking it upon himself to win the game. Great leadership by LBJ, the self-proclaimed leader of the Redeem Team.

I still say Kobe is the best player in the world, and I realize that while it's only my opinion, ESPN's solidity that LBJ is the best player in the league bothers me a great deal.
Well if LeBron can match MJ's level of efficiency his PER could very easily improve especially if he plays more 4 this year. I really dont feel like getting into the Kobe vs Bron debate, suffice it to say there is no clear cut answer.

DQL
10-09-2008, 05:34 AM
Wade and Deron should be in top 10

JordansBulls
10-09-2008, 07:18 AM
Kinda surprised he has CP3 with over a 30 PER though.

DenButsu
10-09-2008, 07:32 AM
J.R. Smith at 27 - nice. No dropoff for AI, either.

Chronz
10-09-2008, 08:25 AM
Kinda surprised he has CP3 with over a 30 PER though.

Im not, he posted the highest PER for a rookie PG at like what 19 years old, the projections are optimistic for PG's entering their mid 20's because thats when most tend to improve leaps and bounds. So if you take an already MVP player and give him room to improve he can have a season at Oscar Robertson/Wilt type impact. I doubt he achieves it but I dont blame a computer for assuming it.

JordansBulls
10-09-2008, 09:41 AM
Im not, he posted the highest PER for a rookie PG at like what 19 years old, the projections are optimistic for PG's entering their mid 20's because thats when most tend to improve leaps and bounds. So if you take an already MVP player and give him room to improve he can have a season at Oscar Robertson/Wilt type impact. I doubt he achieves it but I dont blame a computer for assuming it.

I remember last year he projected that Lebron would get like a 31.8 PER which would had been the 2nd highest ever.

DenButsu
10-09-2008, 10:09 AM
Not to :horse: about J.R. Smith, but the more I've been mulling that over, the more surprised I am that he cracked the top 30... or even 50.

I mean I'll defend J.R.'s turnaround, the progress he made last season, his upside, I'll stick up for that to the hilt. But some of the knocks on him were valid. His D improved, but coming from pretty much pure crap that wasn't hard. And he was very, very turnover prone. So due to those negatives, I'm surprised he still gets all the way up there.

But I believe it. I'm just surprised (as you said, Chronz) a computer would project it. I believe it because of what I've seen and the offseason reports I've read, but those are things a formula can't take into consideration.

Aapox
10-09-2008, 10:35 AM
Go Bulls! No All-Stars, no top-20 in anything ever. Woo. Haha, soon enough, though.

Hawkeye15
10-09-2008, 01:05 PM
Not true. Hollinger normally does PER projections up to a player's third year straight out of college. Check this offseason, he had multiple articles on rookie projected PER.

I have seen those, trust me. But he doesn't do rookie PER's on his preseason monster PER calculator. Those are his draft kit PER's. He had Beasley and Love high, and was not big on anyone else if I remember correctly.

theuuord
10-09-2008, 02:20 PM
I have seen those, trust me. But he doesn't do rookie PER's on his preseason monster PER calculator. Those are his draft kit PER's. He had Beasley and Love high, and was not big on anyone else if I remember correctly.

I'm not sure about that but I'll trust that you're right. He does projected 3rd year PER which means he has to have at least some sort of projection for year 1.

Beasley and Love were the first two, and then there was a bit of a dropoff. But this was a pretty deep draft overall.

23LBJCleBrowns
10-09-2008, 04:31 PM
LeBron is the best.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=1966&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fplayers%2fhollinger%3fplayerId%3d1966

pwest6
10-09-2008, 04:37 PM
cool

prash
10-09-2008, 04:42 PM
lol.. McGrady gets ranked behind Brandon Roy, J.R. Smith, Monte Ellis & Ronny Brewer... (this is with the 22 game win streak to his credit)

This ranking just lost credibility in my mind.

_Sn1P3r_
10-09-2008, 04:42 PM
I got a feeling this will be closed.. :rolleyes:

Hawkeye15
10-09-2008, 04:45 PM
I'm not sure about that but I'll trust that you're right. He does projected 3rd year PER which means he has to have at least some sort of projection for year 1.

Beasley and Love were the first two, and then there was a bit of a dropoff. But this was a pretty deep draft overall.

For his preseason PER report, he only calculates PER's for players who played 500 minutes the season prior, or international equivalent. Rookies do not get PER's. That report was his draft/potential PER report

$ NyC $
10-09-2008, 04:56 PM
Life-time achievement award lol

Beno7500
10-09-2008, 04:57 PM
he is the best

MiamiHeat
10-09-2008, 04:59 PM
He is the best...
at dressing/dancing very gay

http://i35.tinypic.com/29nt4hw.gif

kswissdaf
10-09-2008, 04:59 PM
OVERTATED boom boom boom boom overated

cmellofan15
10-09-2008, 04:59 PM
I'm sorry but this isn't even acceptable...Your opinion is pointless

:pity:

_Sn1P3r_
10-09-2008, 05:00 PM
He is the best...
at dressing/dancing very gay

http://i35.tinypic.com/29nt4hw.gif

Lmao, I remember that from last year.

barreleffact
10-09-2008, 05:07 PM
He is the best...
at dressing/dancing very gay

http://i35.tinypic.com/29nt4hw.gif

when was that? WOW!!!!!! lol.

but about the topic...how do you determine who is the best? as far as most complete? no!
most dominate? arguable
most realized potential with room to grow? more arguable

All i can say is...he still chews his fingernails? wtf? i hope he stops. im gettin tired of it. he does it so much, its in every 2k game. lol.

is he the best? sure, the best on the cavs

Beno7500
10-09-2008, 05:09 PM
your just mad he was on SNL

23LBJCleBrowns
10-09-2008, 05:16 PM
At least he got to host SNL, Kobe hasn't.

MiamiHeat
10-09-2008, 05:18 PM
At least he got to host SNL, Kobe hasn't.

that makes him a better player because...........

Beno7500
10-09-2008, 05:18 PM
At least he got to host SNL, Kobe hasn't.

i was talking to MiamiHeat.

JR-FIGHTER
10-09-2008, 06:04 PM
lebron is the most hyped and overrated player i ever seen.............................he's like the goldberg of the nba!

JOSETHEALLSTAR
10-09-2008, 06:06 PM
nope kobe is the best

CB30
10-09-2008, 06:19 PM
Thanks for your opinion? He is the best

bogdanrom
10-09-2008, 06:49 PM
lebron is the most hyped and overrated player i ever seen.............................he's like the goldberg of the nba!

I hope you're joking, and if you're not let me be the first to tell you that you are ********.

blacknell
10-09-2008, 06:58 PM
lebron is the most hyped and overrated player i ever seen.............................he's like the goldberg of the nba!

tell me how is he overrated? 28.2 points per game 8 rebounds per game and 8 assist yea thats real overrated and taking a team on his back to the playoffs and Finals...

blacknell
10-09-2008, 07:02 PM
also if everyone in the NBA is comparing Kobe and Lebron all ready that lets you know Lebron is better seeing Kobe has played 7 more seasons. while Lebrons stats are better than Kobe's now they are also alot better than Kobe's when he first entered the league

cmellofan15
10-09-2008, 07:14 PM
Can somebody close this bull **** thread?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2008, 07:15 PM
I think LeBron is the best player, but CP3 had a higher PER expected for the upcoming season, so I hope that wasn't what you were basing it on. The last comment that Hollinger made is correct. If he ever learns to hit long jumpers, and plays defense, the rest of the league doesn't need to bother showing up

OnWisconsin2007
10-09-2008, 07:24 PM
LeBron is a monster, no doubt about it. He's my choice for best player in the league, but obviously one can't go wrong with Kobe. In a few years, there will be no debate as to who the best player in the league is, LeBron will run away with it.

ARMIN12NBA
10-09-2008, 07:28 PM
/Thread. This guy 23LBJ is always all over Lebron. Pretty ridiculous.

LOL at his SNL comment. That must make Steve Martin the greatest actor of all time too then, right?

Hawkeye15
10-09-2008, 07:30 PM
/Thread. This guy 23LBJ is always all over Lebron. Pretty ridiculous.

LOL at his SNL comment. That must make Steve Martin the greatest actor of all time too then, right?

dude, this guy may be more annoying than any Laker fan on this board.
Lay off Steve Martin. The Jerk, Three Amigos??? Hell yeah!

Lebron23
10-09-2008, 07:59 PM
LeBron definitely need to win the MVP Award next year.

MiamiHeat
10-09-2008, 08:00 PM
LeBron definitely need to win the MVP Award next year.

he could..

cmellofan15
10-09-2008, 08:01 PM
Dude anything can happen to LeBron just close the stupid thread

blacknell
10-09-2008, 08:44 PM
Dude anything can happen to LeBron just close the stupid thread

i think your upset because noone thinks ball hoging carmello is on Lebron's level

$KnicksAndKobe$
10-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Well at least Kobe doesn't get these type of threads,

Kobe- "I don't need them"

cmellofan15
10-09-2008, 09:23 PM
i think your upset because noone thinks ball hoging carmello is on Lebron's level

Wow, I think your upset because you can't spell. Hoging? I think your riding LeBron's D*** so you can get some free grammar lessons. I never said anything about Carmelo (not CarmeLLo) but I don't think you should start a thread to suck somebody's D*** just because you have some kind of crush on them...

ARMIN12NBA
10-09-2008, 11:06 PM
dude, this guy may be more annoying than any Laker fan on this board.
Lay off Steve Martin. The Jerk, Three Amigos??? Hell yeah!

I love Steve Martin...No doubt, but he isn't a great actor and being on SNL the most times (although he was great in SNL--we are two wild and crazy guys bit killed me) doesn't make you the best at acting and especially playing basketball...Which refutes his case that Lebron being on SNL makes him better than Kobe at playing basketball.

richardle9
10-09-2008, 11:11 PM
lebron may be the best and the king but can he win a ring?

cmstophe
10-09-2008, 11:24 PM
lebron may be the best and the king but can he win a ring?

I see what you did there...

The answer is yes he can, but only one team wins per year...should be a fun season.

Awful thread BTW. And I think LBJ is the best too, still an awful thread.

FortyDubs
10-09-2008, 11:25 PM
Wow, I think your upset because you can't spell. Hoging? I think your riding LeBron's D*** so you can get some free grammar lessons. I never said anything about Carmelo (not CarmeLLo) but I don't think you should start a thread to suck somebody's D*** just because you have some kind of crush on them...

If you're going to try and insult somebodies grammar at least try to be grammatically correct yourself.

vaneasy
10-09-2008, 11:47 PM
He is a closet case homo that douches himself after gay sex.

G-Funk
10-09-2008, 11:56 PM
overrated

CELTICS!1!
10-10-2008, 12:12 AM
Lbj is easily the best allround baller in the nba!
Any1 w/first pick that picks kobe over him is crazy

DenButsu
10-10-2008, 12:18 AM
lebron is the bestest! :jumpy: thread merged into this one

barreleffact
10-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Lbj is easily the best allround baller in the nba!
Any1 w/first pick that picks kobe over him is crazy

because average defense and a streaky shot AT BEST make you the best all around:rolleyes:

most dominant- arguable to say the least.
being a complete player....not yet

LAKERS 24/7
10-10-2008, 02:02 AM
If you're going to try and insult somebodies grammar at least try to be grammatically correct yourself.

nice

JR-FIGHTER
10-10-2008, 02:42 AM
Lbj is easily the best allround baller in the nba!
Any1 w/first pick that picks kobe over him is crazy

are you wrong in the head

Vidball
10-10-2008, 03:20 AM
Wow--we really needed another one of these threads. Good job fellas! Well Formed!

Hawkeye15
10-10-2008, 01:29 PM
I love Steve Martin...No doubt, but he isn't a great actor and being on SNL the most times (although he was great in SNL--we are two wild and crazy guys bit killed me) doesn't make you the best at acting and especially playing basketball...Which refutes his case that Lebron being on SNL makes him better than Kobe at playing basketball.

hahaha, the Wild and Crazy guys was funny. LeBron is funny in those commercials, SNL, etc. But it has nothing to do with basketball obviously, he has been deemed the next monster marketing player, that is all. Nobody has ever seen a guy that young that good, and he was already famous by his junior year in high school