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SAVAGE CLAW
10-01-2008, 09:26 PM
1972, had the first Pick and Took Larue Martin instead of DR J!!!!

1978 had the first pick and took Mychal Thompson instead of LARRY BIRD!!!

1984, Had second pick and took Sam Bowie instead of MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!.

Nets fan 93
10-01-2008, 09:31 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

SAVAGE CLAW
10-01-2008, 09:32 PM
^Well right now Durant is ROY so its 1-0 for him.

Goldenboy898
10-01-2008, 09:32 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

prove it

Nighthawk
10-01-2008, 09:32 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

those other 3 mistakes over shadow that 1 good pick. And i would have took Oden too but right now Durant is looking like the smarter pick. Do we know if Oden will ever be healthy for full seasons.

DreamShaker
10-01-2008, 09:51 PM
Hopefully they make up for it as much as possible with this new team....

mrblisterdundee
10-01-2008, 09:59 PM
No matter how bad some of our managements past decisions, I would save that honor for a team that hasn't won a championship.

Bruno
10-01-2008, 10:06 PM
Was the same management in control for all those moves? Portland has always had respectable teams.

IversonIsKrazy
10-01-2008, 10:16 PM
there has been stupider 1z.

TO pick Bargs over roy and gay.
TO pick Joey over Granger

IversonIsKrazy
10-01-2008, 10:16 PM
actually i take that back, portlandz r waaaayyyy stupider

da wood
10-01-2008, 10:18 PM
Was the same management in control for all those moves? Portland has always had respectable teams.

they were stupid non picks but can you really say it was the stupidest of all time you can say that about alot of team can you say that about detroit because they didn't take wade or melo come on or even the 12 teams that let kobe get past them or the 4 other teams that let garnet get past them come on be real they went with what they thought they needed.

SAVAGE CLAW
10-01-2008, 10:27 PM
Every team has been stupid every now and then .

But COME ON!!!!

They passed by 3 of all time 10 best players ever!!!!.

SAVAGE CLAW
10-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Not to mention two of them are the BEST ever at their Positions Mj as Sg and Bird as SF.

Beno7500
10-01-2008, 10:29 PM
They are dumb

JordansBulls
10-01-2008, 10:30 PM
1972, had the first Pick and Took Larue Martin instead of DR J!!!!

1978 had the first pick and took Mychal Thompson instead of LARRY BIRD!!!

1984, Had second pick and took Sam Bowie instead of MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!.


http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1979.html#1972



First Round
1 Port LaRue Martin Loyola (IL)

12 Mil Julius Erving Massachusetts




http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1979.html#1978



1978 DRAFT

First Round
1 Port Mychal Thompson Minnesota

6 Bos Larry Bird Indiana State





http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1989.html#1984



2 Port Sam Bowie Kentucky

3 Chi Michael Jordan North Carolina



Yes they have made a lot of mistakes in the draft, but what team hasn't?

There bad luck may be running out. Considering they have now gotten 3 good picks in the last 2-3 years.


Edit: Let's not forget they selected wisely in 1983 by picking Drexler at 14 and Kersey #22 in the 2nd round. In 1985 did well by selecting Terry Porter at 24.

LA_cabals
10-01-2008, 10:34 PM
If they picked Dr. J in 1972, they would not have had the first pick in '78 to pass up Bird.

Same goes for the '78 & '84 picks...Portland would not have had the 1st pick in '84 if they took Bird in '78..

SAVAGE CLAW
10-01-2008, 11:55 PM
^ Never said they could have had all of them at a time, i just said that they had 3 times the chance to grab a top 10 player of all time and 2 of the top 5 and marred it the 3 ocassions.

JMan17
10-02-2008, 12:27 AM
Yes they have made a lot of mistakes in the draft, but what team hasn't?


name 1 team that passed up 3 hall of famers? and arguably one of the greatest of all time?

KnicksWin
10-02-2008, 01:37 AM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...



PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT%
1 * Kevin Durant , SEA 80 34.6 20.3 7.3-17.1 .430 .7-2.6 .288 4.9-5.6 .873
2 * Al Thornton , LAC 79 27.3 12.7 4.7-11.0 .429 .5-1.6 .331 2.7-3.6 .743
3 * Juan Carlos Navarro , MEM 82 25.8 10.9 3.8-9.4 .402 1.9-5.3 .361 1.5-1.8 .849
4 * Jeff Green , SEA 80 28.2 10.5 4.0-9.4 .427 .3-1.0 .276 2.2-3.0 .744
5 * Luis Scola , HOU 82 24.7 10.3 4.2-8.2 .515 .0-.0 .000 1.9-2.9 .668


http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp?league=00&season=22007&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=

Greg Oden SEASON AVERAGES
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
-- -- 0 0 0.0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.00 0.00 0.0
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/greg_oden/index.html

It is too early to tell but, as of right now it looks like a stupid move... Especially since he hurt his ankle resently...

Rome
10-02-2008, 06:23 AM
Agreed they passed up some great great talent but mistakes happen. Sucks for them, past is the past. Can anyone picture MJ in a Blazers jersey? Weird.

Tblaze
10-02-2008, 07:11 AM
It's so easy to say that after the draft ;), no1 knew Jordan would be THAT good. same with bird and erving.. Plus they did draft Bill Walton which gave them a championship, so I could think of quite some managements that done worse :)

amare#1
10-02-2008, 08:21 AM
They may have been but not anymore, Kevin Pritchard is a genius.

NYKnickFanatic
10-02-2008, 08:32 AM
^Well right now Durant is ROY so its 1-0 for him.

In my opinion, Durant should not have even won ROY.

Horford should have.

$ NyC $
10-02-2008, 08:49 AM
I'm with you ^^

I think Horford deserved it more, plus he helped his team make the playoffs. Every management makes mistakes if you go back 2 every draft your gonna wind up callin' every team dumb.

Jetracer
10-02-2008, 01:19 PM
Those of you saying that Oden is better than Durant are counting their eggs before they hatch. Yes Oden was a beast in college, but he is yet to prove himself in the NBA. Durant has at least lived up to some of the hype and earned himself rookie of the year. Until Oden racks up some accolades, he is just hype.

Besides, you have Rose and Beasley running their mouths that they are going to get Rookie of the Year. I guess that leaves Grandpa Oden out. (heheheh sarcasm :) )

All kidding aside, with the aquisition of Oden and Fernandez, I predict that Portland will secure a playoff berth this year.

IndyRealist
10-02-2008, 01:47 PM
But they also traded Randy Foye for Brandon Roy (I think), and got LaMarcus Aldridge. They cleaned up the "Jailblazers". I think they've done pretty well. If you consider them contenders now, then they've built a contending team at least once a decade for as far back as I can remember.

The MJ thing has been talked about to death. The bottom line is they already had a hall of famer playing that position (Clyde Drexler), so they drafted for need instead of talent. Sam Bowie was productive despite an injured season.

If we're talking about bad front offices, how about Charlotte? They have done nothing since they came into the league, and with quite a bit of talent. Bad personnel moves, bad coaching decisions, bad money management. They just gave Emeka Okafor how much money?

And really, if you take out the draft where they lucked into Michael Jordan, what has Chicago really done? Michael, Scottie, and Horace were pretty much the best decisions the Bulls ever made, everyone else was either a specialist, or a scrub. Like Cleveland now, they discovered that if you have a transcendant player, you can surround him with below average talent and still contend. And Michael TRASHED the ownership in the media when he left. So much so that for almost a decade no one was willing to play there. How can management possibly justify having alienated the face of the franchise, the face of the whole NBA? Ridiculous.

MiamiHeat
10-02-2008, 02:43 PM
Not picking Michael Jordan was just :pity:x200000
But nobody knew MJ was going to turn out to be the greatest basketball player
of all time

JordansBulls
10-02-2008, 03:48 PM
It's so easy to say that after the draft ;), no1 knew Jordan would be THAT good. same with bird and erving.. Plus they did draft Bill Walton which gave them a championship, so I could think of quite some managements that done worse :)

I think most knew those guys would be good players. How good is a different story though.

23LBJCleBrowns
10-02-2008, 03:58 PM
Actually at the time you thought that guy was going to be better, do you really think that anyone could predict MJ was going to be who he was?

_Sn1P3r_
10-02-2008, 04:28 PM
No one knew these players would become what they would become. If they had, I'm sure they would've chosen players. It is their loss that they didn't get to draft those players, but it isn't necessarily their fault because when you're drafting, you never know what kind of players they become.

23LBJCleBrowns
10-02-2008, 05:21 PM
i agree 100%

HouRealCoach
10-02-2008, 05:22 PM
1972, had the first Pick and Took Larue Martin instead of DR J!!!!

1978 had the first pick and took Mychal Thompson instead of LARRY BIRD!!!

1984, Had second pick and took Sam Bowie instead of MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!.

MJ, Bird, and Dr. J....Roy and Aldridge will never match up to that

Ansy
10-02-2008, 06:45 PM
The Jordan move was obviously bad but Bird and Dr. J went 6 and 12 overall. It's not like everybody else saw their legacy coming and Portland was standing alone in ignorance. It is funny how bad some of Portland's decisions have been, though.

Let's not forget when Portland traded down to get Martel Webster instead of drafting CP3. That was another atrocious one.

Cavs_Fan24
10-02-2008, 06:55 PM
they have much better management now, i mean, they got the 2 best players in the 06 draft in Roy and Aldridge IMO. then they got Bayless this year, and they're still adding on.

IBleedPurple
10-02-2008, 09:33 PM
This was a long time ago. Those guys have been fired, and for good reason because those picks were terrible.

What about taking Clyde the Glide Drexler at 14? There were a whole bunch of bums left that they could've taken.

And if they pick one of the players you named, the other picks would have been much higher

cmellofan15
10-02-2008, 10:01 PM
Well Orlando hasn't had such a great front office either except for Shaq and D12 but they're not the worst but look at this

1990-They pick Dennis Scott over a future All-Star Tyrone Hill
1989- They pick Nick Anderson over Daron Blaylock, Tim Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, and Daron Barros (all of them All-Stars)
1991- They pick Brian Williams over Dale Davis, Terell Davis, and Chris Gatling (All-Stars)

After that they picked up Shaq and their next best thing was T-Mac

*also 1999- They traded their pick to the Jazz who picked up Andrei Kirilenko

Then maybe the worst draft pick up in franchise history

2003- They pick up Darko Milicic (the only person in the top 5 not to be in an All Star game)

junion
10-02-2008, 10:32 PM
Everyone passes on good players.

Look at the 1996 draft. For example Samake Walker was # 9

people after him were 13 - Kobe Bryant, 15 - Steven Nash, 17 - Jermaine Oneal

are you saying that 1-12 teams have the stupidest FO too? Of course teams make "wrong" decisions, but how would you know?

The reason why Oden, and LeBron were taken so high was because Kobe and MJ ended up being great. The Bulls even thought that Jordan was just going to be another player, and not have any big impact right away. And with Kobe, he was just a 17 year old.

After someone is drafted, it all depends on the team, the organization, and the people around him, also the people they train with, etc. Maybe Boston was one of the places that had all those things together for Bird, and some other players too.

Point is that you don't really know who's going to be the greatest. There have been players that seem like they're the best choice at the time, but as time goes on, you can see who pans out to be good. There are some players that aren't good until 4 years, and some people are really good for a couple years, and that's it.

You can't call the FO stupid unless you know the basis on which they pick the player. If they were looking at people, and think MJ wasn't going to be much help at the time, so they passed on him - that's okay, but they took a risk that didn't help them. If they said, "Oh MJ looks like he's going to be the best player ever in the NBA, but let's save money and troubles and pick someone else." - that would be stupid. What do you think people would do if they knew how those players would turn out?

SAVAGE CLAW
10-02-2008, 10:55 PM
One of the funniest thing is that i think if Jordan had been the First pick on that draft he may have not been so great as he was.

I think being number three created an internal will to show everybody they had made a mistake.

Any way Missing three of all time top ten players is something more than "Casualty" Is Sheer Incompetence.

By the way do you know that Houston had Offered that 1st pick in exchange for homeboy idol Clyde?

That makes it even SADDER for that FO

because they could have had picks 1 and 2 EVERYBODY KNEW that 1 woudl be for The dream so 1 Dream no Clyde number two would have been Jordan.

The Jordan and Akeem Blazers.

How does it sound?

I will keep my aseveration and say they have the worst historic FO.

Iodine
10-03-2008, 11:03 PM
Your face is the stupidest one of all time
Seriously you want stupid look at teams that i dunno have never won a championship

stevefrancis
10-04-2008, 01:29 PM
how bout how they drafted tyrus thomas and traded him to the bulls for lamarcus aldridge. aldridge is already a good player and is getting better. and they did do the trade for brandon roy for randy foye. and durant hasn't proved much he scored 20 a game on a bad team which any rookie can do by the way horford should have won rookie of the year.

Max Power
10-04-2008, 01:48 PM
While LaRue Martin was probably the worst #1 ever, passing on Dr. J wasn't that big of a deal, 10 other teams did, too. Why? Because he was already playing the ABA at the time he was eligible for the NBA draft. He began playing with Virginia of the ABA in 1971, wasn't eligible for the NBA until the 72 draft.

The Bird pick was more of a stroke of genius by Red Auerbach than a mistake by other teams. the Celtics took advantage of a little used loop hole which no longer exists. The junior eligible rule. The rule pretty much stated that players could be drafted four years after entering college, even if he didn't declare for the draft. If the player went back to school, which Bird did, the team had one year to sign the player, or he went back into the next year's draft. The Celtics signed Bird right before the 1979 draft. The rule was changed pretty much right after that happened.

The Bowie-Jordan thing? Well, there is no excuse for that.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
10-04-2008, 02:26 PM
yeah they suck

Fireworld
10-04-2008, 03:33 PM
No

BoltLakerPadre
10-04-2008, 06:31 PM
Those first three picks in hindsight are about as dumb as they come, but Portland is still trailing the Clippers in dumbest front office in the league.

And it's still too early to say who's better, Durant or Oden, not to mention that Portland already has two tall, lanky, thin front court players, so Oden was a much better fit than Durant.

JordansBulls
10-20-2008, 03:48 PM
The Jordan move was obviously bad but Bird and Dr. J went 6 and 12 overall. It's not like everybody else saw their legacy coming and Portland was standing alone in ignorance. It is funny how bad some of Portland's decisions have been, though.

Let's not forget when Portland traded down to get Martel Webster instead of drafting CP3. That was another atrocious one.

How was Bird not going to be a great player? The guy was the college player of the year and was undefeated until he lost to another top 3-5 player all time in Magic Johnson in the championship in college.

DRose#1
10-25-2008, 11:50 PM
Starting next year the Blazers will be playing the Bulls in the finals.

Iodine
10-25-2008, 11:52 PM
Starting next year the Blazers will be playing the Bulls in the finals.

right because the frontcourt duo of thomas/noah is insanely talented right?

ATX
10-26-2008, 09:03 AM
Interesting find. While hindsight is 20/20 (sorry for the cliche), it does seem pretty bone headed. As for Oden/Durant...Way too early to tell. If Durant ends up becoming an all time great, and Oden nothing more than a 14/9 guy, then yes...Historically Portland's FO will get the nod for stupidest of all time. However Portland is on the rise in a big way. Their FO has assembled what could potentialy become a dynastic team. They are doing everything right.

michaellui11
10-26-2008, 09:56 AM
well..it's not like they knew michael jordan would be the best player ever
and if they picked jordan, he might have not fit in the team neither so i think they're ok
good pick this year--jerryd bayless=my fave pg :)

michaellui11
10-26-2008, 09:57 AM
Starting next year the Blazers will be playing the Bulls in the finals.

bulls? you're funny, isn't it the heat?

JordansBulls
10-26-2008, 10:14 AM
Starting next year the Blazers will be playing the Bulls in the finals.

Maybe if we get Boozer we can be.

Cavs_Fan24
10-26-2008, 10:40 AM
You can never tell how good a player will turn out to be. They picked O.K. guys, but jsut cuz they missed some stars doesnt mean that they're stupid, it means that they missed out. This was mentioned before that they drafted Bill Walton and he got them a championship so that was a pretty good one, even though most of his career he was injured. They also picked Clyde Drexler, and got a steal in Jerome Kersey. And now they're making everyone look stupid by how they're getting all these players. They picked up LaMarcus Aldridge because tehy traded their pick Tyrus Thomas to the Bulls (that was BIG) and then they get Brandon Roy too, and let's not forget that they drafted Rudy Fernandez too.And they also managed to get one of the best players potential-wise in this year's draft, Jerryd Bayless. So, yes they've made some bad decisions before, but now they're definitely making up for it, and by next year they'll be a title contender.

SteveNash
10-26-2008, 02:22 PM
The draft is part luck andthere is some key information being left out of this thread.

In 1972 DR J had already signed with the ABA, you really think someone that averaged almost 30/15/5 in a highly competitive professional league his rookie year would drop to 12?

Same situation with Bird, where he wasn't expected to come out of college and planned on finishing his college career if Boston wouldn't of had two lower picks he might have went lower than 6th.

Portlando made some bad choices in the draft, just like every other team in the NBA.

kylem4711
10-26-2008, 02:45 PM
1972, had the first Pick and Took Larue Martin instead of DR J!!!!

1978 had the first pick and took Mychal Thompson instead of LARRY BIRD!!!

1984, Had second pick and took Sam Bowie instead of MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!.

the clippers probably is...

theuuord
10-26-2008, 04:13 PM
LOL what? The Portland FO that made those mistakes existed about 25 years ago. The entire team is different. There is absolutely no similarity.

LOL HAY GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT EVERY NFL TEAM PASSED ON TOM BRADY AT LEAST FIVE TIMES??? THEY MUST ALL BE IDIOTS!

anything can happen in the draft. There is no way the Blazers were going to spend their #1 pick on Bird in that draft because they needed a player that was guaranteed to hit the floor running and Bird was a junior eligible player. Jordan was bad, but so what? Again, these were guys who were running the team 25 years ago.

znick21
10-26-2008, 05:07 PM
savage claw you're ******** i swear. everyday you post a stupid bulletin with no validity or merit to it just to try and justify you're ignorant opinions. uhh yeah the blazers have the worst front office of all time ok hmm let's see they won a championship in their first 6 years of existence. and oh wait what did they do after that? make it to the playoffs for 21 straight years. that's almost unheard of. i guarantee you could argue that every team in the nba has made at least 3 bad picks that are very comparable to the blazers. and your examples are idtiotic. dr j at pick number 12 are you kidding me?? 10 other teams passed on him for christ sake. and nobody even really knew bird was eligible to be drafted because of that loophole and he was still pick number 6!!

Hellcrooner
10-27-2008, 11:27 AM
^Hey Bro, why are you insulting him ?


Rudy Fernandez Was not drafted by Portland, The suns did and traded the pick for MoNey........

That was a bonehead move too in my opinion.

kswissdaf
10-27-2008, 11:34 AM
Oden has never even played in a real game

ertanozgur
10-27-2008, 11:52 AM
1972, had the first Pick and Took Larue Martin instead of DR J!!!!

1978 had the first pick and took Mychal Thompson instead of LARRY BIRD!!!

1984, Had second pick and took Sam Bowie instead of MICHAEL JORDAN!!!!.



is that really true? ..i didnt know that...wow...really stupid

superkegger
10-27-2008, 12:13 PM
While LaRue Martin was probably the worst #1 ever, passing on Dr. J wasn't that big of a deal, 10 other teams did, too. Why? Because he was already playing the ABA at the time he was eligible for the NBA draft. He began playing with Virginia of the ABA in 1971, wasn't eligible for the NBA until the 72 draft.

The Bird pick was more of a stroke of genius by Red Auerbach than a mistake by other teams. the Celtics took advantage of a little used loop hole which no longer exists. The junior eligible rule. The rule pretty much stated that players could be drafted four years after entering college, even if he didn't declare for the draft. If the player went back to school, which Bird did, the team had one year to sign the player, or he went back into the next year's draft. The Celtics signed Bird right before the 1979 draft. The rule was changed pretty much right after that happened.

The Bowie-Jordan thing? Well, there is no excuse for that.

Thank you for actually realizing the history behind it.

And plenty of teams have made bad choices, thats how the draft goes.

Take Dallas for example

In '81 they passed on Isiah Thomas for Mark Aguirre
In '83 they passed on Clyde Drexler for Dale Ellis
In '84 they passed on Charles Barkley for Sam Perkins
In '85 they passed on Karl Malone and Joe Dumars for Detlef Schrempf
In '86 they passed on Rodman for Roy Tarpley
In '89 they passed on Tim Hardaway and Shawn Kemp for Randy White
In '96 they passed on Kobe, Nash, JO for Samaki Walker

* I know some of those guys they passed on were decent. A lot of teams have passed on HOF'ers. It happens, a lot. Projeting talent and who's going to be "great" as opposed to just good is ridiculously hard. Even the great basketball minds get it wrong.

And thats just one example. Every team has gaffes. It's not a science. Sometimes its just a real luck thing. Like the spurs Ginobli pick. Yeah they liked him, but they still passed on him once before they took him at 57.

Point is, no, the Portland FO is not the worst ever. Especially if you're going to use Bird as an example, because that was a loophole to take a player they might not even get. Boston had a year to sign him, and if Portland had taken him, who's to say he would have signed with them? Not taking Bird is a terrible example.

JordansBulls
10-27-2008, 12:18 PM
Thank you for actually realizing the history behind it.

And plenty of teams have made bad choices, thats how the draft goes.

Take Dallas for example

In '81 they passed on Isiah Thomas for Mark Aguirre
In '83 they passed on Clyde Drexler for Dale Ellis
In '84 they passed on Charles Barkley for Sam Perkins
In '85 they passed on Karl Malone and Joe Dumars for Detlef Schrempf
In '86 they passed on Rodman for Roy Tarpley
In '89 they passed on Tim Hardaway and Shawn Kemp for Randy White
In '96 they passed on Kobe, Nash, JO for Samaki Walker

* I know some of those guys they passed on were decent. A lot of teams have passed on HOF'ers. It happens, a lot. Projeting talent and who's going to be "great" as opposed to just good is ridiculously hard. Even the great basketball minds get it wrong.

And thats just one example. Every team has gaffes. It's not a science. Sometimes its just a real luck thing. Like the spurs Ginobli pick. Yeah they liked him, but they still passed on him once before they took him at 57.

Point is, no, the Portland FO is not the worst ever. Especially if you're going to use Bird as an example, because that was a loophole to take a player they might not even get. Boston had a year to sign him, and if Portland had taken him, who's to say he would have signed with them? Not taking Bird is a terrible example.

Nice Research. I think you can apply this concept to most teams if they haven't won titles in a long time.

superkegger
10-27-2008, 12:29 PM
Nice Research. I think you can apply this concept to most teams if they haven't won titles in a long time.

Which is like 75% (if not more) of the league. Since 1980 Boston (4), LA (8), Chicago(6), San Antonio (4), Detroit(3), Houston (2), Miami (1), and Philly (1), are the only teams to have won titles. 8 teams in nearly 30 years. That tells you just how hard it is to build a winner.

But yeah, you can take any team over the span of the last 30 years, and find some really bad trades/draft picks, no one is immune.

justheboss
10-27-2008, 12:40 PM
\Let's not forget when Portland traded down to get Martel Webster instead of drafting CP3. That was another atrocious one.

This one really does it for me, all the other ones they drafted for need, where with Paul they needed a PG and didnt go get CP3 or Dwill.

hotpotato1092
10-27-2008, 01:34 PM
Philly: Trade Wilt for nothing, trade Barkley for nothing, trade Iverson for nothing. That's three hall of famers they got nothing for, how many other teams can say that? Dallas is definately up there too, look at all those draft picks someone named (not sure who), and also the kidd trade and shaq non trade. If they trade dirk for shaq they have at least two titles, now they have none. If they don't trade for kidd they have their point guard of the future, now he's in NJ.

JordansBulls
10-27-2008, 02:26 PM
I think to be a successfull franchise you have to take gambles at times.

Lost Art
10-27-2008, 02:41 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

I think that's yet to be determined. Oden could go either way based on what I've seen this preseason. He hasn't been all that impressive thus far IMO. We'll have to wait and see.

JordansBulls
10-27-2008, 04:32 PM
I think that's yet to be determined. Oden could go either way based on what I've seen this preseason. He hasn't been all that impressive thus far IMO. We'll have to wait and see.

I think a lot depends on if he and Aldridge can play in the frontcourt together.

JordansBulls
04-03-2009, 12:43 AM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

Hate to bring this back up, but right now Durant is looking a whole lot better than Oden. Oden still has time though, but Durant is looking good now.

superkegger
04-03-2009, 12:53 AM
Hate to bring this back up, but right now Durant is looking a whole lot better than Oden. Oden still has time though, but Durant is looking good now.

I agree to an extent. But, this is Durant's second year, still Oden's first. Why don't we make this judgement at the end of next year? I know that sounds like a cop out, give him more time, but it's also just kinda dumb to say, Oden isn't a franchise center his rookie year, he was a crap pick. Time will tell, and it may very well tell that Oden was the wrong pick, but why make premature judgements.

blackjack_119
04-03-2009, 01:38 AM
Dr. J was drafted second to last in the first round. Every team except the Lakers and Bucks passed up on him. Should Portland really take that much heat for not drafting a guy when 10 other teams passed as well?

As for Larry Bird, had they drafted him, he still would have gone to college. I am not sure that the "Larry Bird Draft Exception" is ever created if the smallmarket Blazers are trying to sign him as opposed to the Boston Celtics. How much worse would that pick be? You use the #1 on a guy that never signs with your team.

As for Jordan, yes... it was a terrible decision. But if any team could pass on Jordan, it was Portland. They did draft Clyde Drexler the year before. When you have the second overall pick and your team has a 23 y/o SG who will be a 10-time all-star/HOFer... you may consider passing on an extremely talented SG with the pick.

SteveNash
04-03-2009, 09:42 AM
Hate to bring this back up, but right now Durant is looking a whole lot better than Oden. Oden still has time though, but Durant is looking good now.

Until Durant can prove he's a winner I don't see the point of bringing this up.

They went 5-2 WITHOUT Durant. Durant's on/off court numbers are terrible. Numbers that shouldn't happen to a "star" with such a bad team.

Durant wouldn't fit in with the Blazers anyway, taking the ball out of the much more efficient Roy would be a mistake.

As others have said, drafting Martell 3rd has been the bigger mistake. You can't blame Portland for Oden suffering unfortunate injuries, especially not when Durant hasn't proven anything.

kjdills13
04-03-2009, 09:53 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1979.html#1972





http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1979.html#1978





http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/1989.html#1984




Yes they have made a lot of mistakes in the draft, but what team hasn't?

There bad luck may be running out. Considering they have now gotten 3 good picks in the last 2-3 years.


Edit: Let's not forget they selected wisely in 1983 by picking Drexler at 14 and Kersey #22 in the 2nd round. In 1985 did well by selecting Terry Porter at 24.

the funny part is that there has to be one other theam that passed on both the dr and larry bird becasue they wre both mid to late round draft pics. then what about people who didnt pick KOBE he slipped in the draft? i mean your logic behind this is horrible no offense but the creator of this thread is a lil special because you could do this with anyteam and i bet some teams would be worse than this

WSU Tony
04-03-2009, 10:00 AM
Hey, at least they have had a #1 or #2 pick in a draft. :laugh:

DenButsu
04-03-2009, 10:20 AM
Hate to bring this back up, but right now Durant is looking a whole lot better than Oden. Oden still has time though, but Durant is looking good now.

:laugh2: I was just stepping in here to warn people not to bump old threads - and it was you, damn it!

hotdogbun
04-03-2009, 10:28 AM
so? they thought those guys are going to be better than bird,dr.j,jordan. only god knew that mj,julius and bird will be better the other teams would have done the same if they had the blazers picks

mavwar53
04-03-2009, 11:01 AM
you people that think teams are stupid are the stupid ones, the first pick in the draft is usually the concensus first pick, then other picks are what scouts think and front office think will turn out best on what they have seen from college play, boozer ellis arenas all dropped to the second round, I guess the whole league is stupid? Some of you are flat out fools.

Nighthawk
04-03-2009, 11:09 AM
Its easy for all of us to say Portland is stupid now looking back seeing what became of Dr J/ Bird/ Jordan an now even with Durant/ Before the draft why was takin Oden 1 stupid? TRUE Center, dominating defensive big, and decent offfense game that could easily be worked with? No can predict injuries. Feel bad for Oden actually, think he can be something special if he ever was healthy.

JordansBulls
04-09-2009, 12:53 PM
Its easy for all of us to say Portland is stupid now looking back seeing what became of Dr J/ Bird/ Jordan an now even with Durant/ Before the draft why was takin Oden 1 stupid? TRUE Center, dominating defensive big, and decent offfense game that could easily be worked with? No can predict injuries. Feel bad for Oden actually, think he can be something special if he ever was healthy.

The thing is is that nearly every franchise passes up on great players. Only problem is that Portland passed up on guys who led teams to titles and who were top 12 all time. That is the big difference.

SteveNash
04-09-2009, 04:59 PM
The thing is is that nearly every franchise passes up on great players. Only problem is that Portland passed up on guys who led teams to titles and who were top 12 all time. That is the big difference.

Bird was drafted because of a loophole.

Dr. J never even played for the team that drafted him.

Hawkeye15
04-09-2009, 06:42 PM
No. Portland is not the worst FO. They have been a playoff team forever, with a few dry spells, and may have missed on some players, but currently, name me another young team you would take over them?

Crooks&Castles
04-09-2009, 07:06 PM
hard to believe 11 teams passed on Dr. J
5 teams on Bird
and 2 on JORDAN

JordansBulls
04-09-2009, 07:11 PM
hard to believe 11 teams passed on Dr. J
5 teams on Bird
and 2 on JORDAN

Houston's was acceptable though because they got them a franchise player and a guy who led them to titles.

jimbobjarree
04-09-2009, 07:13 PM
they also traded Deron Williams pick for Martell Webster and Linus Kleiza's picks

JordansBulls
04-10-2009, 12:25 AM
they also traded Deron Williams pick for Martell Webster and Linus Kleiza's picks

But they ended up getting Roy and Aldridge

Method28
04-10-2009, 02:19 PM
whats up with you guys saying Durant is living up to SOME of the hype...do you guys not realize that hes 4th in the NBA in scoring with 25.7 ppg...or he grabs 6.5 Rpg and shoots 88%Fts, 42%3pts, and 48%fgs? Dude is a baller...AND .....hes only 20!

JordansBulls
04-10-2009, 03:27 PM
whats up with you guys saying Durant is living up to SOME of the hype...do you guys not realize that hes 4th in the NBA in scoring with 25.7 ppg...or he grabs 6.5 Rpg and shoots 88%Fts, 42%3pts, and 48%fgs? Dude is a baller...AND .....hes only 20!

That's because the Thunder went 5-2 without him.

cali72888
04-10-2009, 03:53 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

Durant will be a franchise player in a few seasons, Oden will be the next Eric Dampier, soft, injured all the time, and fouling out of every game.

Hellcrooner
04-10-2009, 04:47 PM
bli bli bli

ramansingh3
04-10-2009, 09:02 PM
there has been stupider 1z.

TO pick Bargs over roy and gay.
TO pick Joey over Granger

That means in the 2005 draft all these teams must be stupid too.
Portland: Martell Webster
New York: Channing Frye
Golden State: Ike Diogu
Orlando: Fran Vasquez
LA Clippers: Yaroslov Korolev
Charlotte: Shawn May
Minnesota: Rashad McCants
New Jersey: Antoine Wright

In the 2006 Draft these teams must be stupid too since they don't have Brandon Roy or Rudy Gay.

Chicago: LaMarcus Aldridge( traded to Portland for Tyrus Thomas)
Charlotte: Adam Morrison
Seattle: Saer Sene
Houston Rockets:Rudy Gay( traded to Memphis for package centered around Shane Battier)
Minnesota:Brandon Roy( traded to Portland for Randy Foye)

Think about your statement before you say it.

JordansBulls
04-11-2009, 01:43 AM
That means in the 2005 draft all these teams must be stupid too.
Portland: Martell Webster
New York: Channing Frye
Golden State: Ike Diogu
Orlando: Fran Vasquez
LA Clippers: Yaroslov Korolev
Charlotte: Shawn May
Minnesota: Rashad McCants
New Jersey: Antoine Wright

In the 2006 Draft these teams must be stupid too since they don't have Brandon Roy or Rudy Gay.

Chicago: LaMarcus Aldridge( traded to Portland for Tyrus Thomas)
Charlotte: Adam Morrison
Seattle: Saer Sene
Houston Rockets:Rudy Gay( traded to Memphis for package centered around Shane Battier)
Minnesota:Brandon Roy( traded to Portland for Randy Foye)

Think about your statement before you say it.

We would be set now if we Had Lamarcus Aldridge

Hellcrooner
04-11-2009, 02:50 AM
nothing beats the stupideness of Orlando Drafting Vazquez withouth making usre he would sign.

Hellcrooner
04-11-2009, 02:52 AM
weel in fact theres something that defeats it.

Vazquez not sigining when drafted.

Orlando sucked he woudl have started at center and won the position they would have equally drafted howard who would have played Power foward as he did until then and they woudl ahve been a very good interior combo.

Now, howard is being playing center for years, so when vazquez comes ...probably this same year he will be howards back up, forever.

kEviN21
04-11-2009, 03:39 AM
Roy > Foye. Drafting Rudy. Trading for Lamarcus. Not the DUMBEST to me.

Hellcrooner
04-11-2009, 03:50 AM
they did not draft rudy, it was Suns.

I still cant understan why did they sell him to Blazers jsut for some Cash.....

abe_froman
04-11-2009, 03:55 AM
they did not draft rudy, it was Suns.

I still cant understan why did they sell him to Blazers jsut for some Cash.....

because thats what they do

oogaboogaman
04-11-2009, 04:12 AM
sam bowie was deffinitly no Michael Jordan but he still had a decent career when he wasnt hurt.
Mychal Thompson was no Larry Bird but he still had a great career including a year going 21points 12boards 4assists a game
Putting Greg oden on this list is ridiculous too, when he learns to not get into foul trouble he will be one of thee best rebounders in the NBA. his true rebound rate is 8th in the nba.

All three of these guys were franchise centers and they were by no means a bad choice! REMEMBER THIS: no draft ever has gone down as followed: #1 pick = best overall career in draft, #2 pick = second best overall career in draft etc.
In other words if other teams were in the same position it would most likely have not changed

luckynumber_752
04-11-2009, 08:56 AM
Anybody who thinks that Portland is dumb, is ****in ********. Nobody can predict the future(debatable), but GM's certainly can't. If anybody remembers, almost everybody in the media expected Oden 2 go #1... At LEAST 80% of the GM's in the NBA would've picked Oden at #1, and that's an understatement. The vast majority of people who think that Oden was a stupid pick would've picked him themselves. Not to mention that Durrant probably wouldn't help the Blazers as much as Oden does. Portland doesn't need another star player that takes 15-20 shots a game to mess up their chemistry. They need another C. When Joel Pryzbilla goes out of the game and Portland doesn't have Oden, they have to turn to Channing Frye(who is quite possibly the softest player in the NBA that plays some C), who makes Ja Rule look tough. Not to mention that per minute, Greg is actually very productive, he just needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble(kinda like Yao Ming when HE first got in the league). And when it comes 2 MJ, Portland allready had Clyde. They figured that they just needed a big man. Back then, people didn't fully understand the full consequences of knee problems on a big man. Larry Bird??? Are you ****in kiddin me??? He was picked 6th, dumbass!!! No GM in the NBA would've picked Bird @ #1!!! So I guess 4 other mother****ers were just as dumb. And don't even get me started with Dr. J. He was picked 12th!!! The funny thing is that even when i'm drunk as ****, i'm alot smarter than the guy who started the thread. LOL. It has been fun, dumbasses!

luckynumber_752
04-11-2009, 09:20 AM
Anybody who thinks that Portland is dumb, is ****in ********. Nobody can predict the future(debatable), but GM's certainly can't. If anybody remembers, almost everybody in the media expected Oden 2 go #1... At LEAST 80% of the GM's in the NBA would've picked Oden at #1, and that's an understatement. The vast majority of people who think that Oden was a stupid pick would've picked him themselves. Not to mention that Durrant probably wouldn't help the Blazers as much as Oden does. Portland doesn't need another star player that takes 15-20 shots a game to mess up their chemistry. They need another C. When Joel Pryzbilla goes out of the game and Portland doesn't have Oden, they have to turn to Channing Frye(who is quite possibly the softest player in the NBA that plays some C), who makes Ja Rule look tough. Not to mention that per minute, Greg is actually very productive, he just needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble(kinda like Yao Ming when HE first got in the league). And when it comes 2 MJ, Portland allready had Clyde. They figured that they just needed a big man. Back then, people didn't fully understand the full consequences of knee problems on a big man. Larry Bird??? Are you ****in kiddin me??? He was picked 6th, dumbass!!! No GM in the NBA would've picked Bird @ #1!!! So I guess 4 other mother****ers were just as dumb. And don't even get me started with Dr. J. He was picked 12th!!! The funny thing is that even when i'm drunk as ****, i'm alot smarter than the guy who started the thread. LOL. It has been fun, dumbasses!

5ass
11-14-2010, 04:24 PM
weel in fact theres something that defeats it.

Vazquez not sigining when drafted.

Orlando sucked he woudl have started at center and won the position they would have equally drafted howard who would have played Power foward as he did until then and they woudl ahve been a very good interior combo.

Now, howard is being playing center for years, so when vazquez comes ...probably this same year he will be howards back up, forever.

what the hell are you talking about? are you saying dwight at center is a mistake? he is the most dominant center in the league, vazquez at center would not be able to do half of what howard has already done.. anyway when vazquez comes he can play powerforward next to dwight so i dont see what the problem is.

Raph12
11-14-2010, 04:39 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

ROY + Scoring Champ vs Injured Big with potential

Hmm, let me think...

king4day
11-14-2010, 04:41 PM
Hindsight hindsight hindsight...

No they're not. They picked for need with Oden and Bowie. The other two, i couldn't tell you who those two that they picked over Dr. J and Bird were, but I'm sure they didn't know how good the others would be either.

The same should be said for all the teams that passed up on guaranteed titles with Kobe.

jiggin
11-14-2010, 04:45 PM
HIND SITE...

so easy to judge others decisions when you use it.

jiggin
11-14-2010, 04:46 PM
Hindsight hindsight hindsight...

No they're not. They picked for need with Oden and Bowie. The other two, i couldn't tell you who those two that they picked over Dr. J and Bird were, but I'm sure they didn't know how good the others would be either.

The same should be said for all the teams that passed up on guaranteed titles with Kobe.

the list is endless...look at past drafts and the BIG names that go late in the first round and end up dominating in the NBA. Are all the other franchises "stupid" because they passed on them...

No. but if your a moron, you might thinks so.

:)

Sixerlover
11-14-2010, 04:48 PM
All hindsight like ^^ Said.

But I blame them for not trading in the "chips" or the young players for star vets when they had the chance.

king4day
11-14-2010, 04:52 PM
because thats what Sarver does

fixed

Ollie Tabooger
11-14-2010, 04:55 PM
why was this bumped?

king4day
11-14-2010, 04:58 PM
I just realized this thread was an old one. Why open a thread over a year and a half old?

topdog
11-14-2010, 05:01 PM
picked Oden over Durant..... not that stupid...

Give me the choice between a C with Oden's size and skill and an amazingly talented SF like Durrant, and I'd pick the C every time - especially w/ already having Roy.

Risk-Reward (higher potential risk = higher potential reward)

assisi805
11-14-2010, 05:30 PM
Lol @ people defending Oden

Bruno
11-14-2010, 05:32 PM
This thread is over two years old.

fredo832
11-14-2010, 05:34 PM
Me and the guys talk about this all the time at work. Imagine what kinda team the Blazers would have had if they drafted Durant over Oden. Just imagine Durant, Roy, Aldrige all on one team. WOW

phoenix_bladen
11-14-2010, 05:41 PM
there has been stupider 1z.

TO pick Bargs over roy and gay.
TO pick Joey over Granger

I won't defend joey over granger that was bad....

but bargs was in a draft where there was no definite number 1 pick we ended up taking a 7 footer that can do a bit of everything at least he wasn't a bust like oden is. I'm glad we got bargs over adam morrison.

sure gay is pretty good but roy? he's got knee problems now one of the reasons why he fell.......

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 05:45 PM
Give me the choice between a C with Oden's size and skill and an amazingly talented SF like Durrant, and I'd pick the C every time - especially w/ already having Roy.

Risk-Reward (higher potential risk = higher potential reward)


Durant just finished 2nd in the MVP voting, became the youngest MVP in league history, tied as the youngest All NBA 1st teamer in league history, and is probably going to end up winning the MVP this year at 22 which would make him the youngest MVP in league history as well..and you're going to take a guy that played 82 games in 3 years over him?

Durant is on pace to become at worst one of the 25 best players of all time..and you're taking Oden over him?

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 05:48 PM
why was this thread bumped? Its two years old.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 09:10 PM
this thread was over nearly 2 years ago.