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BigRatt
09-30-2008, 06:12 PM
I'm sitting here listening to AL Davis talk on ESPN News and he is one crazy Son Of A B i t c h!! Talking about how Kiffin is a lier and he couldn't understand why Kiffin would want to clean out the lockeroom of 8 to 10 year veterans.. Al thinks he knows Football but has the football intelligence of a average fan.. I dont see how any Coach with any competance will Coach for him..

BigRatt
09-30-2008, 06:18 PM
ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) - The Oakland Raiders fired Lane Kiffin on Tuesday just four games into his second season, bringing finality to a situation that had been simmering for eight months.

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Kiffin had a 5-15 record since being hired last year, losing his final game 28-18 on Sunday to San Diego.

The decision on Kiffin was as much about his frequent criticisms of owner Al Davis' franchise as it was the team's performance on the field. Those critiques reached a peak when Kiffin distanced himself from the defense after a blowout loss in the season opener, saying that was under coordinator Rob Ryan and Davis' control.

The Raiders said the move was made for cause, meaning they will likely try not to pay Kiffin for the remainder of his contract. He signed a two-year deal worth about $4 million with a team option for 2009 when he took over last year. Kiffin's agent Gary Uberstine had no immediate comment.

The move comes a day after the St. Louis Rams let go of Scott Linehan, marking the second firing at the quarter point of the season. The last time a coach had been fired this early in the season was when Davis got rid of Mike Shanahan after four games in 1989.

The Raiders did not immediately announce a replacement for Kiffin, but there are plenty of candidates on staff, including Ryan and receivers coach James Lofton, who both interviewed for the job when Kiffin got it in 2007. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, running backs coach Tom Rathman, offensive line coach Tom Cable and advance scout Paul Hackett also could be possible choices.

The Raiders have a bye this week so the new coach's first game will be Oct. 12 at New Orleans.

Kiffin's job security was in question as far back as January, when a dispute with Davis over whether he could replace Ryan as defensive coordinator led to the owner sending his coach a letter of resignation to sign.

Kiffin refused to sign it and the feud went on throughout the offseason as Kiffin questioned big-money signings and other personnel moves made by Davis.

The situation grew more heated with Kiffin's comments on Davis' involvement with the defense two days after a season-opening 41-14 loss at home to Denver. Three days after that, reports surfaced that Davis was ready to fire his coach at any time and it dragged out from there.

Kiffin did his best to deflect the controversy and never went to Davis to lobby for his job or a resolution. The team played much better the past three weeks, beating Kansas City and taking leads into the fourth quarter against Buffalo and San Diego before losing.

Davis' once-proud franchise has fallen on hard times of late, with the blame going beyond one coach. Oakland has an NFL-worst 20-64 record since the start of the 2003 season, a stretch spanning the tenures of Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell and Kiffin.

Oakland has lost at least 11 games for five straight seasons, tying the dismal Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the 1980 for the worst stretch in NFL history.

Since returning to Oakland in 1995, the Raiders have had just three winning seasons and will be on their eighth head coach. The success mostly came under Jon Gruden, who led Oakland to division titles in 2000 and '01 before leaving for Tampa Bay. Callahan took the Raiders to the Super Bowl the following season, but nothing positive has happened since that 48-21 loss to Gruden and the Bucs.

The one constant during that period has been Davis, who won three Super Bowl titles in his first 21 years with the Raiders but has had little success over the past quarter-century.

Kiffin, the son of longtime NFL defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, became the latest coach unable to turn the Raiders around.

Kiffin was just a 31-year-old assistant at Southern California when Davis hired him to replace Shell following the 2007 season, becoming the youngest head coach in the NFL's modern era.

Davis said at the time that Kiffin's youth was not an issue, pointing to the success the Raiders had in the past with young coaches like John Madden and Gruden.

Kiffin instead is following the path of Shanahan, who was hired at age 35 in 1988 and then fired four games into his second season. Until this move, Shanahan had been the only coach Davis had fired in the middle of a season since joining the Raiders in 1963.

Shanahan went on to win two Super Bowls with Denver.

Kiffin had some success changing the culture of a team in his first year but was unable to generate consistent wins.

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 06:20 PM
kiffin will find a new job somewhere..possibly KC..hopefully

BigRatt
09-30-2008, 06:22 PM
kiffin will find a new job somewhere..possibly KC..hopefully

Sounds like Kiffin wants to go back to the College Ranks..

RustShack
09-30-2008, 06:43 PM
If he came here and wanted to bring Monte Kiffen to be the DC like he was going to in Oakland before Davis stopped it I would be all for it.

RustShack
09-30-2008, 06:45 PM
I think we need to have an offensive head coach, his father Monte is also a tampa two guy who could use the players we have better than Gunther can who isn't a tampa two guy.

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 06:49 PM
wow..didnt know Monte was his dad..wouldnt that be awesome..

Gigantes4Life
09-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Sign him up :cool:

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 07:09 PM
defensive HC's are too conservative..

In_Ned_I_Trust
09-30-2008, 07:32 PM
Man we could really use Kiffin at USC Sarkesian's play calling is terrible.

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 07:40 PM
BOOO USC..Sanchez sucks

Pipes
09-30-2008, 09:06 PM
This is a text book reason why the Raiders are by far the worst run organization in pro sports...:pity:

RustShack
09-30-2008, 10:05 PM
I would be all for bringing in both Kiffens and drafting Sanchez if he falls to the 2nd round...

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 10:09 PM
I dont want Sanchez..bring in the Kiffins tho

RustShack
09-30-2008, 10:12 PM
Sanchez has all the makings to be a great QB... I think him and Stafford will both be better than Matt Ryan. I would much rather have Stafford though, he remindes me a lot of Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer... I think Sanchez has a lot of Palmer in him, and not just the USC ties.

Nvchiefsfan
09-30-2008, 10:35 PM
I agree with Rust bring in the Kiffins and draft Sanchez in the second possibly the third round and things will turn around next year. Sanchez is one of the better looking QB's in college this year and even last year in mop up duty.

touchdown bowe
09-30-2008, 10:38 PM
I still think we shoulda picked up Erik Ainge in the later rounds

RustShack
09-30-2008, 10:40 PM
I still think we should have picked up Woodson instead of Ingle Martin.

Nvchiefsfan
09-30-2008, 10:41 PM
I think he was overrated I wanted us to get JD Booty or Brohm but Herm is stuck on Croyle. I think he just likes his wife.

RustShack
09-30-2008, 10:48 PM
There must be something wrong with Brohm since hes behind a 7th round pick from the same year on the depth chart.

Pipes
10-01-2008, 01:36 AM
I'm not surprised at all that Flynn over took him in GB...I always felt Brohm was overrated and was one of those "systems" guy's in college and would have a difficult time adjusting in the NFL! That's why I wasn't big on dealing for him when it was brought up earlier in another thread!

As far as Sanchez... I feel he's a third rounder type of talent!... I like Stafford and I feel he'll do well in the NFL.. But I feel we'll probably go in a diffrent direction in the 1st rd and not draft a QB! But as far as Sanchez I wouldn't mind drafting him... I wouldn't reach for him though... I feel anything but a early 3rd rd selection would be a reach for Sanchez at this point... But hey it's a long season things can change!

In_Ned_I_Trust
10-01-2008, 02:49 AM
SC had 1 bad game, and if you look at SC since Kiffin left the play calling has been terrible. SC's line was blown out of the water in that game, I feel Mark did a great job all things considered. SC will run the table, and Sanchez' name will come up in heisman contention. 2nd or 3rd rounder after 1 bad performance is a bit extreme. He is a sure fire 1st rounder no doubt about it, whether he comes out this year or next.

Lets not get crazy with the SC hate.

rhensley3
10-01-2008, 08:51 AM
kiffin would be a good pick...wouldnt that be sweet if we got him and then beat the raiders in oakland? hahahaha!!!!

Pipes
10-01-2008, 11:12 AM
SC had 1 bad game, and if you look at SC since Kiffin left the play calling has been terrible. SC's line was blown out of the water in that game, I feel Mark did a great job all things considered. SC will run the table, and Sanchez' name will come up in heisman contention. 2nd or 3rd rounder after 1 bad performance is a bit extreme. He is a sure fire 1st rounder no doubt about it, whether he comes out this year or next.

Lets not get crazy with the SC hate.

I thought that Henne would all have been sure fire 1st rounders too and he slipped...You never know...:shrug: But it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him slide...especially if SC struggles a little this year!

DKKC
10-01-2008, 11:38 AM
There must be something wrong with Brohm since hes behind a 7th round pick from the same year on the depth chart.

you should just head on over to the green bay thread and ask their bloggers. Im sure they would have some sort of an answer you could get and bring back to us.

RustShack
10-01-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm not surprised at all that Flynn over took him in GB...I always felt Brohm was overrated and was one of those "systems" guy's in college and would have a difficult time adjusting in the NFL! That's why I wasn't big on dealing for him when it was brought up earlier in another thread!

As far as Sanchez... I feel he's a third rounder type of talent!... I like Stafford and I feel he'll do well in the NFL.. But I feel we'll probably go in a diffrent direction in the 1st rd and not draft a QB! But as far as Sanchez I wouldn't mind drafting him... I wouldn't reach for him though... I feel anything but a early 3rd rd selection would be a reach for Sanchez at this point... But hey it's a long season things can change!

If your going on talent Sanchez is a first round pick.

In_Ned_I_Trust
10-01-2008, 01:36 PM
If your going on talent Sanchez is a first round pick.

Wow Rust and I agree on something! LOL Just giving you crap man, you get a bum wrap round these parts IMO.

chiefsfanatics
10-01-2008, 02:29 PM
I wanted Brennan...

Chiefs316
10-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Brennan would have been a decent pick but I'm not really upset that we didn't get him. anyways someone mentioned how it would be cool if we got Kiffin and than beat the Raiders at their house. I have been commenting in the raiders section at MVN.com and their biggest fear is that Kiffin will go to the Chiefs and do what Mike Shanahan did to them. I agree if we got Kiffin and got rid of Gunther and brought in Monte, it would be so good for this team. I agree that Sanchez would be a great pick but i really don't know if has enough experience maybe at the end of this year i will think he is a first round but right now I think we could get Rey from USC or James from Ohio St the MLB's and get a good quality QB in the second, such as Sanchez

In_Ned_I_Trust
10-01-2008, 06:09 PM
CP doesn't like SC, so until he is gone we won't get Kiffin. So I'm not alone in thinking he was doing a good job in oakland?

Pipes
10-01-2008, 06:55 PM
If your going on talent Sanchez is a first round pick.

So was Henne...

Pipes
10-01-2008, 06:57 PM
CP doesn't like SC, so until he is gone we won't get Kiffin. So I'm not alone in thinking he was doing a good job in oakland?

That's why he needs to be replaced...:pity:

In_Ned_I_Trust
10-01-2008, 10:38 PM
That's why he needs to be replaced...:pity:

Among ten thousand other things.

Gigantes4Life
10-01-2008, 11:32 PM
Like being mentally challenged.

Pipes
10-01-2008, 11:34 PM
Among ten thousand other things.

I know... it sounded good...:D

RustShack
10-02-2008, 01:28 AM
So was Henne...

I've never liked him and I think he is and was over rated, so personally I don't agree with that.

Pipes
10-02-2008, 12:51 PM
Well I'm biased.. I'm a Michigan fan... but still he broke about every QB record there.. and that's saying a lot when Michigan has consitantly produced solid QB's over the years! If Henne had come after his JR yr he was projected to go mid to late 1st round. But since he's was injured most of the year in his SR yr his stock plummeted.. as it should of! But that still doesn't change that he's still a legit prospect... In my opinion Miami got steal where they drafted him...

touchdown bowe
10-02-2008, 09:37 PM
Well I'm biased.. I'm a Michigan fan... but still he broke about every QB record there.. and that's saying a lot when Michigan has consitantly produced solid QB's over the years! If Henne had come after his JR yr he was projected to go mid to late 1st round. But since he's was injured most of the year in his SR yr his stock plummeted.. as it should of! But that still doesn't change that he's still a legit prospect... In my opinion Miami got steal where they drafted him...

Remember tho..Brodie holds tons of records at Alabama..and people like Bart Starr and Kenny Stabler went there..Just because you break college records doesnt mean your gonna be a great NFL QB.

RustShack
10-03-2008, 12:42 AM
Brett Meyer broke a lot of records for ISU and he didn't even sign with a team as an undrafted free agent... we have QB's like Sage Rosenfells and Seneca Wallace that are great NFL backups :P

Pipes
10-03-2008, 01:27 AM
First off you have to remember when Bart Starr, Kenny Stabler & Joe Namath all played at Alabama it was a diffrent era. So to compare there numbers or any of the older greats to younger counter parts that play now is not fair to any of them. And I'm sorry Rust I wouldn't compare ISU on the same field as producing QB's as Michigan. I But if you look at recent history say 88' to now Henne had better numbers then Jim Harbaugh, Elvis Grbac, Todd Collins & Tom Brady all of witch were productive if not stellar pro's! Henne was far better then where he fell...but that kind of stuff happens every year so it wouldn't surprise me at all that a guy like Sanchez would fall aswell. Being that was what I was comparing Henne situation too.

Kcfanbaby212*
10-03-2008, 12:02 PM
something that most competitive teams have..is a good solid team drafted core...OL and DL...and IMO...we have most of that drafted.....OL-Albert-Waters-Niswanger-Richardson-Taylor...granted Taylor and Richardson could be changed if we draft some OL this coming up draft. DL-Hali/McBride-Tank-Dorsey-Johnston, which could change as well if we draft a DE..LBs-not so much....we really only have DJ for right now...I think Williams would be good...but who knows, we for sure dont have a MLB. Secondary-Carr and Flowers-are still developing. Pollard and Page, Page isnt playing up to his potential, and Pollard looks as if hes starting to get their, of course lets not forget Morgan...who will probably take over Pages spot at some point. Our O-line and D-line and secondary look to be the only place right now, where we actually have a solid young core..However....its all premature..so who truly knows for another 2 years or so lol

Pipes
10-03-2008, 12:13 PM
I agree we have a great core of youth... Now it's just to up to our staff to devolpe them and for them to mature... But I''m very happy with the youth we have!

DKKC
10-03-2008, 05:31 PM
Brett Meyer broke a lot of records for ISU and he didn't even sign with a team as an undrafted free agent... we have QB's like Sage Rosenfells and Seneca Wallace that are great NFL backups :P

? .... No Rust, no...