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HouRealCoach
09-16-2008, 07:53 PM
Hou Rockets
LA Clippers
Phi 76er's
Cle Cavaliers
Mil Bucks
Tor Raptors
NO Hornets
Por Trailblazers
GS Warriors
Min Timberwolves

Beno7500
09-16-2008, 07:59 PM
Rockets

S.J.Basketball
09-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Rockets easily. Adding Artest easily made them Title Contenders.

njnets
09-16-2008, 08:11 PM
well, i think the nets had a good offseason (called it biased lol). they improved for the FUTURE! not present however. im assuming you are asking for present so my answer is ......

rockets. artest for a 1st rounder and journeyman bobby jackson? BIG STEAL. good job rockets. if tmac yao and artest stay healthy they could make it to the finals easy. great trio right there. also, tmac has some of the load off of his back.

ARMIN12NBA
09-16-2008, 08:11 PM
Sixers. There are still questions about the Rockets concerning chemistry and health. Everybody seems to agree that Brand was a perfect fit for the Sixers as they truly needed a half-court scoring threat.

_Sn1P3r_
09-16-2008, 08:13 PM
Houstons or Sixers.

CB4AB7VC15
09-16-2008, 08:13 PM
sixers then rockets

Kiss Ma Grits
09-16-2008, 08:26 PM
The Rockets

I like the move of O'Neal to Toronto and Brand to the Sixers but both O'Neal and Brand missed over 50 games last year and often miss TONS of games. Esspecially in the last 3 years so I'd have to go with the Rockets.

MiamiHeat
09-16-2008, 08:29 PM
Rockets 76ers
but the offseason aint over yet :)

KG#1
09-16-2008, 08:34 PM
knicks just for getting rid of isaiah

AirJordanXVIII
09-16-2008, 08:37 PM
Sixers then Houston. But it's close. Brand is absolutely huuuge for the Sixers. Artest is awesome, but it all depends on if he can keep his head straight...

S.J.Basketball
09-16-2008, 08:41 PM
knicks just for getting rid of isaiah

:clap::clap::clap:

That was good hehe....

agobbi17
09-16-2008, 08:50 PM
the R really stands for R O N A R T E S T

SeoulBeatz
09-16-2008, 08:51 PM
Sixers then Rockets

They lost Rodney Carney, Shavlik Randolph, Kevin Ollie, and Calvin Booth

They gained Elton Brand, Kareem Rush, Marreese Speights, Theo Ratliff, Donyell Marshall, and Royale Ivey

heyman321
09-16-2008, 08:55 PM
Sixers.

YANKSJETSKNICKS
09-16-2008, 08:56 PM
knicks just for getting rid of isaiah

thank u somebody finally realizes that the best possible offseason move was for the knicks to get rid of thomas ...............lol jk but being serius the rockets then the sixers if brand can stay healthy if not maybe the raptors but its the same situation with JO and the sixers and brand

LakeShowRaider
09-16-2008, 08:58 PM
Lakers...A healthy Bynum is more than anything any other teeam brought in...!

BRADfromOZ
09-16-2008, 09:13 PM
There are still questions about the Rockets concerning chemistry and health.
On paper the Sixers have made the biggest offseason improvements.
There are also similar questions about the Sixers chemistry seeing as they now have so many new players on their team.

BRADfromOZ
09-16-2008, 09:14 PM
Lakers...A healthy Bynum is more than anything any other teeam brought in...!
How does doing nothing make the lakers a better/improved team?

KmB728
09-16-2008, 09:28 PM
Id say its the Sixers they signed alot of guys and resigned Iggy and Lou

superkegger
09-16-2008, 09:34 PM
I'd say the Sixers or Rockets on paper anyway, they both added an allstar that should put them in the mix for a title.

On a different level, the cavs added a nice piece, but not enough to be the most improved.

The Raptors could also enter that discussion as long as JO is the heathy JO, which I think he is, but we'll see...

The blazers and Wolves both certainly got better, but it won't show as much as the other teams moves will...

23LBJCleBrowns
09-16-2008, 09:36 PM
are you guys leaving out the cavs. they got a second scorer for lebron

23LBJCleBrowns
09-16-2008, 09:36 PM
^^great great move for lebron and the cavs

PhxGiant
09-16-2008, 09:50 PM
76ers.

#1Mavericksfan
09-16-2008, 09:52 PM
Clippers

Sixerlover
09-16-2008, 09:55 PM
Sixers, then the Rockets, then the Raptors IMO.

RocketsRule
09-16-2008, 10:03 PM
Sixers are first, with the Rockets in at a close second.

Sixers got an another All-Star to go with their up and coming team already. I see them as a top team in the East as long as they can gel well.

Rockets recieved Ron Artest for basically two role players and a high draft pick. He provides that 3rd scoring option and fits in nicely with the team. The only question is if Ron Artest can behave himself and play at his best.

oshea225
09-16-2008, 10:06 PM
rockets then philly. the thought of tmac, yao, and artest together is a veryy scary thought (especially for a team that had a 20+ game win streak. WITHOUT artest,yao)

Kiss Ma Grits
09-16-2008, 10:07 PM
Does it really matter? On paper Toronto and Philly looks improved but stats have no bearing on what happens on the court.

How is giving a soon to be 30 year old post player, who only played 8 total games last season a 5 year $80 million contract a good move? On top of that he had back spasms also. You can't judge the move until either they win something or until the contract is up. The time is now for Philly. If they don't get it done this year or next then that may be it for them cause 14 million plus is going to be hard to move on a 30+ year old without taking a bad contract in return.

Then you have O'Neal who has missed almost half of the NBA season the past 3 out 4 years about 80% of the time. What happens when he gets hurt again Raptor fans? He has a more likely chance of going down then say someone like Z. So how can you guys say that it was a "GREAT" pickup? :rolleyes:

knowledgeGOD
09-16-2008, 11:25 PM
sixers and rockets!

Kiss Ma Grits
09-17-2008, 12:31 AM
Cleveland made the best moves. Neither the Sixers or the Raptors made it out of the first round of the playoffs and I don't think adding an Elton Brand or Jermaine O'neal helps their respective teams. It's not like those guys are the type of guys who "Guarentees" your team getting to the finals. It's not like they're Kobe or Lebron. At best they'll help their team get out of the first round of the playoffs. :eyebrow:

DocUSN
09-17-2008, 12:46 AM
knicks just for getting rid of isaiah

The man has a point...

ttam68
09-17-2008, 12:52 AM
Sixers then Rockets.

The Cavs are still Lebron and a bunch of 3rd/4th tier guys. Toronto is facing injury and chemistry issues.

Houston picked up a great player who should help with scoring, defense, and toughen their mentality. But their success relies more on injury issues then it does the Artest pick up. Not to mention, who wouldve said Houstons biggest need is small forward? No one. How do they get their best players on the court together. Houston was a second tier team in the west before and until I see otherwise they still are.

Philly picked up exactly what they needed. They're replacing Reggie Evans with Elton Brand in his prime. The Sixers have lacked a go to player since Iverson left and last year they barely had a half court game.

Now, they've filled their biggest hole with a guy that should be their best player, their go to player, and a well-rounded, team leader. The Sixers still aren't really contenders, but their offseason has vaulted them from playoff darkhorse to contending for the top of the east.

Bottom line, Houston added their 3rd best player to an injury ridden team while the Sixers added their #1 player to a team that's on the rise and growing together.

lavis
09-17-2008, 12:54 AM
Oklahoma City. They didn't have any good players and now they have a bunch.

Rockets and Sixers just like everybody else is saying too.

But Clippers added something nice too.

And Heat has two new starters(?).

Kiss Ma Grits
09-17-2008, 01:02 AM
Sixers then Rockets.

The Cavs are still Lebron and a bunch of 3rd/4th tier guys. Toronto is facing injury and chemistry issues.

Houston picked up a great player who should help with scoring, defense, and toughen their mentality. But their success relies more on injury issues then it does the Artest pick up. Not to mention, who wouldve said Houstons biggest need is small forward? No one. How do they get their best players on the court together. Houston was a second tier team in the west before and until I see otherwise they still are.

Philly picked up exactly what they needed. They're replacing Reggie Evans with Elton Brand in his prime. The Sixers have lacked a go to player since Iverson left and last year they barely had a half court game.

Now, they've filled their biggest hole with a guy that should be their best player, their go to player, and a well-rounded, team leader. The Sixers still aren't really contenders, but their offseason has vaulted them from playoff darkhorse to contending for the top of the east.

Bottom line, Houston added their 3rd best player to an injury ridden team while the Sixers added their #1 player to a team that's on the rise and growing together.

Elton missed 74 games last year with back problems and a torn achilles tendon.

He didn't do anything when he played with Miller in Los Angeles

You guys just signed a man who will turn 30 in march to an 5 year mega million contract.

Elton Brand is good but he's not great as you Philly fans make him out to be. If healthy he MAY help you guys get out of the first round. I'd take Lebron over Miller, AI 2, and Brand anyday of the week. I'd take Mo Williams and Lebron over their whole team. If Mo is a 3rd/4th tier player then so is Brand whose numbers of his LAST full season looks very similar to Mo's:clap::smoking:

I don't think the 76ers are gonna get past the Cavs or Boston. If Lebron could beat Detroit by himself he most DEFINITELY can beat this philly team:rolleyes:

BRADfromOZ
09-17-2008, 01:03 AM
Oklahoma City. They didn't have any good players and now they have a bunch.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Good point.

Sixerlover
09-17-2008, 11:31 AM
Elton missed 74 games last year with back problems and a torn achilles tendon.

He didn't do anything when he played with Miller in Los Angeles

You guys just signed a man who will turn 30 in march to an 5 year mega million contract.

Elton Brand is good but he's not great as you Philly fans make him out to be. If healthy he MAY help you guys get out of the first round. I'd take Lebron over Miller, AI 2, and Brand anyday of the week. I'd take Mo Williams and Lebron over their whole team. If Mo is a 3rd/4th tier player then so is Brand whose numbers of his LAST full season looks very similar to Mo's:clap::smoking:

I don't think the 76ers are gonna get past the Cavs or Boston. If Lebron could beat Detroit by himself he most DEFINITELY can beat this philly team:rolleyes:

May get us out of the first round? A team that was already two wins away from getting out of the first round?

Did people already forget that Elton is a 20/10 post player his whole career. He isn't injury prone at all, and plays great defense. He is being added to a very good defensive team that lacked a post scoring presence all year last year (Samuel Dalembert + Reggie Evans.. a lot of scoring there). He is the perfect fit to this team, and I believe that we're better than the Cavs (who are pretty overrated IMO).

Mo Williams is a shoot first PG with bad defense. If you consider him the savior, or the 2nd option to LeBron, then so be it. He's a good 3rd option, but as a 2nd option on a team that wants to make a championship run I'm not buying it.

IndyRealist
09-17-2008, 02:42 PM
May get us out of the first round? A team that was already two wins away from getting out of the first round?

Did people already forget that Elton is a 20/10 post player his whole career. He isn't injury prone at all, and plays great defense. He is being added to a very good defensive team that lacked a post scoring presence all year last year (Samuel Dalembert + Reggie Evans.. a lot of scoring there). He is the perfect fit to this team, and I believe that we're better than the Cavs (who are pretty overrated IMO).

Mo Williams is a shoot first PG with bad defense. If you consider him the savior, or the 2nd option to LeBron, then so be it. He's a good 3rd option, but as a 2nd option on a team that wants to make a championship run I'm not buying it.

I don't think the concern is that Brand is injury prone, because he's not. It's that he may not fully recover from his injury, which happens. What the Sixers really need is consistent, quality 3pt shooters to get them to the next level. Kareem Rush was streaky all last year. He'd go 5 for 6 one night, then 1 for 12 the next.

Yes Mo Williams is a shoot first PG. Yes, he played bad defense in Milwaukee, but that's because the team didn't play defense at all. And he is the third option on offense, behind Lebron and big Z. I've always thought that Cleveland was a good PG away from a championship. Now they have a good PG. Glad my Pacers aren't anywhere close to contending, or I'd be upset :smoking:

JordansBulls
09-17-2008, 02:49 PM
Rockets and Sixers. Rockets became even more of a contender while the Sixers just became a challenger to the Celtics in the east.

Sixerlover
09-17-2008, 02:51 PM
I don't think the concern is that Brand is injury prone, because he's not. It's that he may not fully recover from his injury, which happens. What the Sixers really need is consistent, quality 3pt shooters to get them to the next level. Kareem Rush was streaky all last year. He'd go 5 for 6 one night, then 1 for 12 the next.
Brand showed at the end of last year that he could return to the level he was at before the injury. Which is the reason Golden State, LAC, and Philadelphia all offered him lucrative contracts. I trust all of their doctors told them that the injury won't effect him.

And Rush + Lou Will are good enough to be the "shooters" on the team. They're no Ray Allen, but they're on the level of Eddie House, James Posey, Paul Pierce, and all the other 3pt shooters on the celtics last year shooting wise.


Yes Mo Williams is a shoot first PG. Yes, he played bad defense in Milwaukee, but that's because the team didn't play defense at all. And he is the third option on offense, behind Lebron and big Z. I've always thought that Cleveland was a good PG away from a championship. Now they have a good PG. Glad my Pacers aren't anywhere close to contending, or I'd be upset :smoking:

Meh, if Big Z is the 2nd option now, why have they been crying about a 2nd option for the last 2 years. He has been there. He hasn't produced and I don't think that he will be getting any better at his age.

GCOOKIE7
09-17-2008, 02:57 PM
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goku
09-17-2008, 03:35 PM
rockets artest should change the attiude of the team and make the team tougher

JOSETHEALLSTAR
09-17-2008, 03:58 PM
no question the Houston rockets

IndyRealist
09-17-2008, 05:16 PM
Brand showed at the end of last year that he could return to the level he was at before the injury. Which is the reason Golden State, LAC, and Philadelphia all offered him lucrative contracts. I trust all of their doctors told them that the injury won't effect him.

And Rush + Lou Will are good enough to be the "shooters" on the team. They're no Ray Allen, but they're on the level of Eddie House, James Posey, Paul Pierce, and all the other 3pt shooters on the celtics last year shooting wise.



Meh, if Big Z is the 2nd option now, why have they been crying about a 2nd option for the last 2 years. He has been there. He hasn't produced and I don't think that he will be getting any better at his age.

With leg/knee/foot injuries it isn't game #8 affects him, he can do that on adrenaline. It's game #53, second of a back-to-back and 4 in 5 days. Jermaine O'Neal was playing at the beginning of each of the last two seasons, relatively pain free, until the grind got to him and he was forced sit. Brand only played 8 games last year, and he was playing for a contract.

Rush needs around 10-12 shots/game and 20 consistent minutes in order to get into his shooting rhythm. I watched him all last year and will say that he is streaky. When he got consistent time as 6th man off the bench, playing backup SG/SF for 20mpg, he averaged something like 12ppg. When his time became erratic due to rotation changed, he was shooting very, very poorly. Playing minutes behind Andre is not going to bode well for him. If he really was on the level of Posey or House, who are specialists like him, wouldn't he command around $4M/year, instead of the league minimum? Wouldn't contending teams be fighting for his services, instead of him fighting for a roster spot?

Zydrunas Ilgauskas averaged 14.1ppg, 9.3rpg, and shoots 80% from the free throw line. Those are solid second option numbers considering they play 4 on 5 on offense, making him easy to double (Ben Wallace and Andersen Verajao both need to learn to shoot and attack the basket).

hockeypro68
09-17-2008, 05:24 PM
I can't say the Clippers have improved the Most, (because the Rockets, Cavs, Sixers, Raptors, and Blazers ALL improved a lot this offseason), but I really like what the Clippers have done. Look for them to be in the mix for a playoff spot, dueling it out with Portland and Denver.

hockeypro68
09-17-2008, 05:28 PM
With leg/knee/foot injuries it isn't game #8 affects him, he can do that on adrenaline. It's game #53, second of a back-to-back and 4 in 5 days.
Brand only played 8 games last year, and he was playing for a contract.



WORD.

SensandRaps
09-17-2008, 05:31 PM
the rockets had the best offseason imo

KiNgSuNs1
09-17-2008, 05:31 PM
well, i think the nets had a good offseason (called it biased lol). they improved for the FUTURE! not present however. im assuming you are asking for present so my answer is ......

rockets. artest for a 1st rounder and journeyman bobby jackson? BIG STEAL. good job rockets. if tmac yao and artest stay healthy they could make it to the finals easy. great trio right there. also, tmac has some of the load off of his back.

thats the thing he was already getting hurt in the olympicsssss i dont see him lasting long .........and t mac being a ??? mark who knows if he is going to play alot ..........so i doubt rocket make noise in the season even though they look real good on paper

fishfan79
09-17-2008, 05:33 PM
rockets then sixers

heat could make a big improvement too if you go by number of wins per record

Ph1lly Diehard
09-17-2008, 05:41 PM
WORD.

If I had a dime for everytime you made a negative comment towards Elton Brand or the 76ers..

Just let go dude, really. The 76ers had the best offseason, no need to pull the only negative thing about Brand that someone posted and comment on it. It's not necassary

And it was clearly between the 76ers and Rockets. I'd say the 76ers though because of there gains over losses, and there bench is VERY deep

Lakersfan2483
09-17-2008, 05:52 PM
The Rockets followed by the Sixers.

MylesKong
09-19-2008, 10:09 AM
#1.The Sixers.
Not only did the sign exactly what they were missing, a back to the basket PF, they drafted one as well. The re-signed key free agents, Iguadala and LouIll. Provided some shooting in reserve roles in Marshall and Rush. Removed in any placeholders from the roster sans Willie Green. The Sixers are a deep team that may not be all the way there yet, but are very close now.
Start of last year Sixers may have been ranked 3 of 10. by the end they were a 6 of 10. Now they're about a 8-9 of 10. The Sixers have sure themselves up for the next 4 seasons with these off-season moves.

#2. The Rockets have been right there at the cusp of contention ever since pairing McGrady and Yao. Artest is a great player but I don't know if he adds anything additional. I mean, won't his role be very similar to Battier?

#3. Toronto added JO and we know his injury woes. But they gave up TJ Ford for him. I don't know if that wasn't and an even trade. We'll see.

Hawkeye15
09-19-2008, 06:10 PM
Sixers. They went from a team that barely made the playoffs to a possible contender. The Knicks, soley for losing Thomas, and most likely Starbury, and getting D'Antonio

agobbi17
09-19-2008, 06:17 PM
#1.The Sixers.
Not only did the sign exactly what they were missing, a back to the basket PF, they drafted one as well. The re-signed key free agents, Iguadala and LouIll. Provided some shooting in reserve roles in Marshall and Rush. Removed in any placeholders from the roster sans Willie Green. The Sixers are a deep team that may not be all the way there yet, but are very close now.
Start of last year Sixers may have been ranked 3 of 10. by the end they were a 6 of 10. Now they're about a 8-9 of 10. The Sixers have sure themselves up for the next 4 seasons with these off-season moves.

#2. The Rockets have been right there at the cusp of contention ever since pairing McGrady and Yao. Artest is a great player but I don't know if he adds anything additional. I mean, won't his role be very similar to Battier?

#3. Toronto added JO and we know his injury woes. But they gave up TJ Ford for him. I don't know if that wasn't and an even trade. We'll see.

Yes, Artest's role is going to be similar to Battiers but yet Artest is an offensive threat unlike battier. He's much quicker and stronger as well and he can defend most bigger power forwards in the league.

Hawkeye15
09-19-2008, 06:43 PM
rockets then sixers

heat could make a big improvement too if you go by number of wins per record

If improvement can be defined as adding your own player due to health, then yes, the Heat. I mean, all they have to do is win 35 games to have a 20 win improvement. I think that is right at where they will be, so they may see the biggest improvement as far as wins. I think the Wolves can win 15 more games too. But the Sixers went from a whatever team to a very strong team.

mrblisterdundee
09-19-2008, 06:47 PM
Despite losing bot their main stars, I believe the Clippers improved the most this offseason. They now have a brick wall for a front court, one of the best point guards in the game, one of the best young small forwards, a talented rookie, and a host of talented role players.