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BlondeBomber41
09-14-2008, 06:00 AM
Cleveland has homecourt advantage.


Cleveland Cavaliers Lineup:

C- Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Andray Blatche / Adonal Foyle
PF- Brad Miller / Ben Wallace / Adonal Foyle
SF- Lebron James / Ricky Davis / Quinton Ross
SG- Joe Johnson / Ricky Davis / Wally Sczcerbiak
PG- Delonte West / Antonio Daniels / Luke Ridnour


New Jersey Nets Lineup:

Jason Terry, Jason Williams, Sam Cassell
Larry Hughes, Rasual Butler, Fred Jones
Vince Carter, Michael Finley, Austin Croshere
Kevin Garnett, Etan Thomas, Donyell Marshall
Shaq O'Neal, Jammal Magloire, Loren Woods



Cleveland Cavaliers Series Writeup:

Point Guard:
Delonte West vs Jason Terry, I think we all know this is going to be close, The reason I think West wins this matchup is because he is the better passer, I need that with a deadly shooter like Joe Johnson and an amazing allstar like Lebron James.

Shooting Guard:
Joe Johnson vs Larry Hughes, We all know who wins
this matchup, Joe Johnson is a top 5 Shooting Guard and is alot better then Larry Hughes. Joe Johnson is an All Star who will puts up 20-30 Points and is a great shooter all around.

Small Forward:
Lebron James vs Vince Carter, Lebron is the Greatest player on this planet. He can easily put up a triple double every night even on off nights he puts up 25 points and 7 assist + rebounds. Vincer Carter is one of the strongest players on this team but he can not even be put in the same sentence with Lebron James.

Power Forward:
Brad Millervs Kevin Garnett, Brad Miller is a 15/10 Big Men. Kevin Garnett is very good but Brad Miller is very nasty and a Big Man who can move around alot.

Center:
Z vs Shaq, Shaq is past his prime, Z is a 15/10 Center. I think Z being able to move around alot will give Shaq huge problems and open everyone eles game.

Bench:
Antonio Daniels: When Agent 0 went out with an injury, Daniels put up 8/5 Numbers. We think that he can run this offense with Delonte West on the bench.
Ben Wallace/Andray Blatche: We feel this combo downlow brings Leadership and Defense/Rebounding. Ben Wallace has been known to be a Defensive Stud and a tough player. Blatche averaged 7/5 Downlow.
Ricky Davis: Ricky brings that Defensive player off the bench who instantly can score. Davis Averaged 13 PPG with the Heat last season and we expect nothing less then that.
Ross: Ross brings Defense, We feel lucky to have such a Defensive Stud comming off our bench. He can help this whole Squad alot like a James Posey off the bench.
Wally: Wally brings that nice Shooter off the bench, Hes a Very Good shooter and can do alittle bit of everything.
Adonal Foyle: Makes Downlow so much better, He can bring alot to this team that use to be a weaker spot. We love to have him on this team.
Luke Ridnour: He helps out our PG/SG Spots, We add more depth, We think that we are the deepest team in the East.



New Jersey Nets Series Writeup:

This is a matchup I wanted to avoid but unfortunately I have to face them. The reason why I wanted to avoid this is because I know voters are going to go crazy with the Lebron and Johnson combination. However, now I have go through this, and I hope for the best.

We'll start off by saying that you can wave goodbye to Lebron's 30 PPG. Both him and Johnson's scoring numbers are going to decrease. Remember Melo and AI? I'll give you another example:

The Celtics this season had KG, Allen, and Pierce, and 2 out of 3 of them were under 20 PPG if I'm not mistaken. The Celtics DID NOT win because of their offense though, they won because of their defense, and their numbers prove it.

Back to the Cavs, though, they're not great defenders like the real-life Celtics, so them having a duo of Lebron and JJ really won't be effective as the Celtics, because of the huge defensive difference.

So as I was saying, Lebron's and JJ's scoring numbers are going to DROP, because they are used to being the #1 options but they have to humble each other. You can't have two Batmans, you need a Batman and a Robin to be successful.

Stepping out of movies though, let's go to the matchups.

Delonte West vs Jason Terry
You can wave goodbye to Delonte's growing development. His offensive numbers are going to drop, and West is more a isolator than shooter. So while West's role is not significant in his team, Terry's is in my team, because he can shoot at will when the kickout arrives. So West isn't going to make much noise here. It doesn't matter if he's better, the point is, he's an underdog in his team. (I still think Terry is better anyways.)

Joe Johnson vs Larry Hughes
Like I said in the Heat series, don't be fooled by this matchup. Johnson is a way better player on offense, but I am actually glad I have Hughes on him. Why? Hughes is a defensive specialist, and he isn't going to let anybody win without a fight.

Lebron James vs Vince Carter
Lebron averaged 30-8-7 on a team where he was ALONE. Vince Carter averaged 22-6-5 on a team that had Richard Jefferson and others. Vince averaged these numbers on ONE ANKLE. I am not saying Vince is better than Lebron, but the wise posters here can fathom what I'm trying to say here. Remember, Lebron's numbers will DROP with JJ in his team. This matchup is much closer than it appears.

Brad Miller vs Kevin Garnett
KG abuses Miller. The only thing Miller does is shoot from far, and KG is too athletic to be fooled. Miller is not familiar withthis position at all, so you can expect a goose egg when it comes to scoring. There's not much else to say in this.

Zydrunus Ilgauskas vs Shaquille O'Neal
Finally, somebody big enough to guard Shaq. However, Shaq has always been better than Big Z, and since BOTH are declining, Shaq is still much better. Shaq is much tougher than Z. It's and oldie matchup, but we now Shaq is the better player here. Big Z has never been a scorer, so he's not going to score in this series vs Shaq.

Oh my GOD I just remembered. This team has Ricky Davis. He's going to take ALL the remaining shots Lebron and JJ don't take yikes.

Anyways, on to the bench.
Daniels-Davis-Wallace-Blatche

I'm not worried about them at all. Who is Wallace going to guard? KG? Shaq? He can't do that anymore. Blatche is a kid who won't do much. Davis has a reputation for taking bad shots, and Daniels is just your basic normal backup PG. Nothing special. My bench on the other hand, consists of starters and former championship players. I'm not even going to go into detail, cause we clearly have the advantage.

The Cavaliers are going to have a hard time scoring inside with Shaq and KG down low. Maybe Lebron is tough enough to drive it in, but he will have fear reguardless of doing so. He's the only player I see that has the toughness to drive the ball in. So the rest will be limited to JUMP SHOTS. The Cavs don't have any crazy shooters.

Meanwhile, the Nets can score inside, outside, you name it, we're a balanced team.


The Nets players combined have about 7-8 championship rings, while the Cavs have one (Wallace?). Our guys rule in the playoffs.

Tom81
09-14-2008, 06:01 AM
New Jersey

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 10:39 AM
Dynasty we cant vote for our team correct? Because then I always have to do the View Voting or whatever

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 10:42 AM
Can a Mod Sticky this? Also I dont think BB41 should be voting :shrug: In the Re-Draft they wouldnt let the Commish It might be different I guess :shrug:

DocUSN
09-14-2008, 10:56 AM
Can a Mod Sticky this? Also I dont think BB41 should be voting :shrug: In the Re-Draft they wouldnt let the Commish It might be different I guess :shrug:

Everyting is done there are no decsions left for bb to make, he can offer his opion just like anyone else.

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 10:59 AM
Dynasty we cant vote for our team correct? Because then I always have to do the View Voting or whatever

It's true, it is annoying, but I don't think we can't

but maybe we can, because it's just one extra vote for each side

but I don't know

AgentViet
09-14-2008, 11:04 AM
Terry's not much of a defender but West isn't much of a threat on offense. Terry's offensive game has declined and West is a great defender so I call this match up even.

Hughes hasn't been himself for the past few years and Joe Johnson is a 20/5/5 star that will beat him on both ends of the floor pretty easily.

LeBron is LeBron and there's no way VC will hold him down, James take this one easy.

Miller is pretty soft and KG is the 2nd best PF in the game, KG will destroy him.

Shaq and Z are both 15/10 slow declining C's, wash here IMO.

Had to go with the Cavs here, the Nets lack a real play maker.

Nighthawk
09-14-2008, 11:32 AM
No-one is sopping Shaq, KG. And V.C. Its just to much. Plus you got the deadly shooitng of Terry. Nets have a good defensive team. Nets easily.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 11:36 AM
No-one is sopping Shaq, KG. And V.C. Its just to much. Plus you got the deadly shooitng of Terry. Nets have a good defensive team. Nets easily.

Shaq? The Shaq of old and I would Agree but do you really think anyone can stop Lebron James Joe Johnson with Two 15/10 Big Men who can run around and shoot from the outside? And an PG who put up Better numbers in the Playoffs then the Regular Season?

yaowowrocket11
09-14-2008, 11:45 AM
I think New Jersey is the better overall team.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 12:03 PM
I have Home Court and Im losingg..wow..I dont even care anymore

_Sn1P3r_
09-14-2008, 01:21 PM
I like Cavs here.

SaimoNETS
09-14-2008, 01:48 PM
i gotta go with New Jersey

ShakeN'Bake
09-14-2008, 03:47 PM
Nets

phillyphan4ever
09-14-2008, 04:24 PM
I like the Cavs

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 05:29 PM
Shaq? The Shaq of old and I would Agree but do you really think anyone can stop Lebron James Joe Johnson with Two 15/10 Big Men who can run around and shoot from the outside? And an PG who put up Better numbers in the Playoffs then the Regular Season?

You think James, Johnson, Miller, and Big Z are going to average the same numbers as before? That's foolish, you haven't looked at my writeup at all.

All of their numbers are going to drop. There's many examples out there that failed. Melo with AI, Carter with Jefferson, Little AI with big AI, many others.

If you would of had a star big instead of a star SG, you would of been much more balanced.

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 05:34 PM
Terry's not much of a defender but West isn't much of a threat on offense. Terry's offensive game has declined and West is a great defender so I call this match up even.

Hughes hasn't been himself for the past few years and Joe Johnson is a 20/5/5 star that will beat him on both ends of the floor pretty easily.

LeBron is LeBron and there's no way VC will hold him down, James take this one easy.

Miller is pretty soft and KG is the 2nd best PF in the game, KG will destroy him.

Shaq and Z are both 15/10 slow declining C's, wash here IMO.

Had to go with the Cavs here, the Nets lack a real play maker.

West is nothing in his team with JJ and Lebron there. You call 16/4 declining for Terry. Also, Terry has been in the playoffs all the time.

Hughes has declined OFFENSIVELY, but defensively, he is top notch. Joe Johnson is NOT going to get 20+ PPG because of Lebron AND Hughes.

Maybe VC can't hold on Lebron alone, but Shaq and KG can. How often do you expect Lebron to drive with them in the paint?

Shaq provides much more toughness than big Z, and that's all we need.

Why do the Nets need a huge playmaker like Kidd and Nash? We have

Terry (5 APG)
Carter (5 APG)
Hughes (4 APG)
Williams (6 APG)
Cassell (6 APG)

Pretty awesome if you ask me.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 06:06 PM
You think James, Johnson, Miller, and Big Z are going to average the same numbers as before? That's foolish, you haven't looked at my writeup at all.

All of their numbers are going to drop. There's many examples out there that failed. Melo with AI, Carter with Jefferson, Little AI with big AI, many others.

If you would of had a star big instead of a star SG, you would of been much more balanced.


The funny thing is that the way your saying it, Like Shaq will be the same? Pft and all your players will still average the same?

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 06:26 PM
The funny thing is that the way your saying it, Like Shaq will be the same? Pft and all your players will still average the same?

Terry shoots the 3
Hughes defends
VC isolates
KG kills in the post
Shaq makes teams shoot jump shots, and Shaq dominates down low

so what are you talking about? My team is balanced unlike yours

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 08:42 PM
Terry shoots the 3
Hughes defends
VC isolates
KG kills in the post
Shaq makes teams shoot jump shots, and Shaq dominates down low

so what are you talking about? My team is balanced unlike yours

Jason Terry is a scrub, and Same with Larry Hughes..Their is a reason why the Bulls want to get rid of Hughes and it's not all about the Contract.

Lebron James - Triple Double is his job
Joe Johnson - Shoots the Three and dose everything
Brad Miller/Z- Both Average 10 RPG, With an outside shot of JJ and a Passer like Brad Miller (One of the best of all time) it's deadly. Delonte West will play some Defense and also will just simply run the offense. Lebron plays good defense when he needs to. Miller and Z can fend off Shaq and KG, Shaq is not the player he use to be and he rarely ever "Dominates down low" Anymore. If anyone can Dominate a game it's Lebron James, You saying that his points will go down is actually a Plus. He wont have to do as much and when he wants to he ALWAYS Dominates in the Playoffs.

Nets fan 93
09-14-2008, 08:55 PM
Went Cavs, Lebron led a worse team to the finals before... now he has JJ

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 09:00 PM
Jason Terry is a scrub, and Same with Larry Hughes..Their is a reason why the Bulls want to get rid of Hughes and it's not all about the Contract.

Lebron James - Triple Double is his job
Joe Johnson - Shoots the Three and dose everything
Brad Miller/Z- Both Average 10 RPG, With an outside shot of JJ and a Passer like Brad Miller (One of the best of all time) it's deadly. Delonte West will play some Defense and also will just simply run the offense. Lebron plays good defense when he needs to. Miller and Z can fend off Shaq and KG, Shaq is not the player he use to be and he rarely ever "Dominates down low" Anymore. If anyone can Dominate a game it's Lebron James, You saying that his points will go down is actually a Plus. He wont have to do as much and when he wants to he ALWAYS Dominates in the Playoffs.

Terry is a scrub? He's a 16/5 player. How do you call that a scrub? He's a beast in the playoffs, and he'll make some huge shots late in the game.

I don't NEED Larry Hughes on offensive. Maybe I just need 5-7 points from him. I NEED him on defense, and he does this with excellence. He is going to give Joe Johnson a hard time scoring. The reason Chicago wants to get rid of him is because of his contract and they're rebuilding.

Lebron, how is he going to get a triple double if "Brad Miller and Big Z get 10 rebounds a game"? You also have Ben Wallace. Triple doubles don't win games. Jason Kidd got LOADS of triple doubles in the Nets and they won 34 games.

Miller isn't going to score this series, he has KG on him. He'll limit him to like 5 points or less. I dare you to debate that.

Big Z is declining as much as Shaq, so you wan't say Big Z has an advantage over Shaq. Big Z averaged 15/10 last year, and Shaq average similar numbers in the SUNS where he did not fit defensively and offensively becauseof his quick play. Here though, he's back to a half court game, and we'll get better numbers than big Z. I dare you to debate that too.

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 09:04 PM
Went Cavs, Lebron led a worse team to the finals before... now he has JJ

what happened last year then? that's no excuse, the east is much stronger now

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 09:06 PM
Terry is a scrub? He's a 16/5 player. How do you call that a scrub? He's a beast in the playoffs, and he'll make some huge shots late in the game.

I don't NEED Larry Hughes on offensive. Maybe I just need 5-7 points from him. I NEED him on defense, and he does this with excellence. He is going to give Joe Johnson a hard time scoring. The reason Chicago wants to get rid of him is because of his contract and they're rebuilding.

Lebron, how is he going to get a triple double if "Brad Miller and Big Z get 10 rebounds a game"? You also have Ben Wallace. Triple doubles don't win games. Jason Kidd got LOADS of triple doubles in the Nets and they won 34 games.

Miller isn't going to score this series, he has KG on him. He'll limit him to like 5 points or less. I dare you to debate that.

Big Z is declining as much as Shaq, so you wan't say Big Z has an advantage over Shaq. Big Z averaged 15/10 last year, and Shaq average similar numbers in the SUNS where he did not fit defensively and offensively becauseof his quick play. Here though, he's back to a half court game, and we'll get better numbers than big Z. I dare you to debate that too.

Terry isnt any better then Delonte West at all, Delonte Actually plays Defense and Terry dosnt play a lick.

Larry Hughes isnt the Defender like he was on the Wizards when he was First Team all Defensive Team. Hes good but he wont shut down JJ at all.

Difference is that Jason Kidd had Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson (Jefferson even missed games if I remember Correctly) They had no downlow player like Z or Brad Miller. I dont understand how having Ben Wallace who is a rebouning player is a Disadvantage? Lmao

Kevin Garnett wont hold Brad Miller to 5 points or less, He probally will hold him to 8-10 Points and he will still get all his rebounds.

Shaq is way over his prime and Z is a mobile player who can move all around and he loves to shoot the outside shot, I'd love for Shaq to come out 15 Ft and cover him?

Nets fan 93
09-14-2008, 09:16 PM
what happened last year then? that's no excuse, the east is much stronger now
they ran into the C's... you dont have KG, Pierce, and Allen.
JJ is an allstar

Nets fan 93
09-14-2008, 09:16 PM
Terry isnt any better then Delonte West at all, Delonte Actually plays Defense and Terry dosnt play a lick.

Larry Hughes isnt the Defender like he was on the Wizards when he was First Team all Defensive Team. Hes good but he wont shut down JJ at all.

Difference is that Jason Kidd had Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson (Jefferson even missed games if I remember Correctly) They had no downlow player like Z or Brad Miller. I dont understand how having Ben Wallace who is a rebouning player is a Disadvantage? Lmao

Kevin Garnett wont hold Brad Miller to 5 points or less, He probally will hold him to 8-10 Points and he will still get all his rebounds.

Shaq is way over his prime and Z is a mobile player who can move all around and he loves to shoot the outside shot, I'd love for Shaq to come out 15 Ft and cover him?
Terry is a lot better than delonte west...:crazy:

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 09:17 PM
they ran into the C's... you dont have KG, Pierce, and Allen.
JJ is an allstar

His team went from

Delonte West - Delonte West
Sasha - Joe Johnson
Lebron - Lebron
Anderson Varejao - Brad Miller
Z - Z

Thats ALOT Better then his real team also the Bench is much better.

Nets fan 93
09-14-2008, 09:18 PM
His team went from

Delonte West - Delonte West
Sasha - Joe Johnson
Lebron - Lebron
Anderson Varejao - Brad Miller
Z - Z

Thats ALOT Better then his real team also the Bench is much better.
This is your team:confused:

FYI i was defending your team...

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 09:20 PM
Terry is a lot better than delonte west...:crazy:

Playoffs:
Jason Terry: 36 MPG
15.8 PPG
1.6 RPG
4.8 APG
0.438 3 %
0.433 FG %
0.867 FT %

Delonte West: 30 MPG
10.8 PPG
3.3 RPG
4.2 APG
0.500 3 %
0.367 FG %
0.941 FT %

Not much of a difference, We were talking about playoffs

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 09:21 PM
This is your team:confused:

FYI i was defending your team...

I know you were, I was talking about Lebron's Team from Lasty year and in this Mock, It's alot better and if he can take teams to the Finals then he can take his team to the Finals

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 09:22 PM
Terry isnt any better then Delonte West at all, Delonte Actually plays Defense and Terry dosnt play a lick.

Larry Hughes isnt the Defender like he was on the Wizards when he was First Team all Defensive Team. Hes good but he wont shut down JJ at all.

Difference is that Jason Kidd had Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson (Jefferson even missed games if I remember Correctly) They had no downlow player like Z or Brad Miller. I dont understand how having Ben Wallace who is a rebouning player is a Disadvantage? Lmao

Kevin Garnett wont hold Brad Miller to 5 points or less, He probally will hold him to 8-10 Points and he will still get all his rebounds.

Shaq is way over his prime and Z is a mobile player who can move all around and he loves to shoot the outside shot, I'd love for Shaq to come out 15 Ft and cover him?

Delonte MEANS NOTHING on your team though who has Lebron and JJ. Delonte is not going to score. Meanwhile, Terry could score easily by shooting the three. So even if Delonte was better (which he isn't), he's not going to make ANY noise in your team. Terry has his space on my team though, he's our 3 point shooter. Terry averaged 16/5 with the Mavs, who has Dirk, Howard, Stackhouse, and many others, so he knows what's his job.

Like you say Lebron is going to be dedicated to other parts of the game, SO IS HUGHES. Hughes is only here for his defense, and that's his task, so he's going to be focusing on only that. We have enough offense, we just need defense out of him. Maybe he's not the top defender he used to be, but he's definitely going to give JJ as hard time. JJ ain't gonna score easily.

You make no sense whatsoever when it comes to Lebron's triple doubles. He's not going to get much with Brad Miller, Big Z, and Big Ben, unless the Nets miss shot after shot, which IS NOT going to happen with a core of Terry, Carter, KG, and Shaq, check the #s.

8-10 points for Brad Miller? Are you kidding me? #1, you have Lebron and JJ, #2 Brad Miller isn't an offensive threat and is ALSO aging, #3 KG is a top defender, #4 Miller is a C, a heavy one, to PF isn't the position for him, especially with the quick KG on him

Z shooting from 15 feet. 40% of his rebounds are offensive ones, you you're not going to get many rebounds from him, especially with KG and Shaq there on BOTH ends of the floor.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 09:28 PM
Delonte MEANS NOTHING on your team though who has Lebron and JJ. Delonte is not going to score. Meanwhile, Terry could score easily by shooting the three. So even if Delonte was better (which he isn't), he's not going to make ANY noise in your team. Terry has his space on my team though, he's our 3 point shooter. Terry averaged 16/5 with the Mavs, who has Dirk, Howard, Stackhouse, and many others, so he knows what's his job.

Like you say Lebron is going to be dedicated to other parts of the game, SO IS HUGHES. Hughes is only here for his defense, and that's his task, so he's going to be focusing on only that. We have enough offense, we just need defense out of him. Maybe he's not the top defender he used to be, but he's definitely going to give JJ as hard time. JJ ain't gonna score easily.

You make no sense whatsoever when it comes to Lebron's triple doubles. He's not going to get much with Brad Miller, Big Z, and Big Ben, unless the Nets miss shot after shot, which IS NOT going to happen with a core of Terry, Carter, KG, and Shaq, check the #s.

8-10 points for Brad Miller? Are you kidding me? #1, you have Lebron and JJ, #2 Brad Miller isn't an offensive threat and is ALSO aging, #3 KG is a top defender, #4 Miller is a C, a heavy one, to PF isn't the position for him, especially with the quick KG on him

Z shooting from 15 feet. 40% of his rebounds are offensive ones, you you're not going to get many rebounds from him, especially with KG and Shaq there on BOTH ends of the floor.

Delonte West dosnt need to shoot 15 Threes to make "Noise" He will do his job and thats all I ask for.

I disagree Hughes wont give the All Star that hard of a time, I dont think JJ goes off for 40 but I dont think he goes under 20 PPG.

Im saying Lebron is REAL LIFE Gets a Triple Double all the time, he dosnt need to do that in this game because his team is 100xxxxx Times better.

I dont understand you, Then Shaq Terry VC and KG all will be worse because they will be playing together? Like I dont even understand what your trying to say..

Brad Miller and Z will both get Rebounds, Shaq and KG are good Rebounders but so are Miller and Z. It's not like Shaq is like him oldself and his 20 Rebounds wont be happening.

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 09:40 PM
Delonte West dosnt need to shoot 15 Threes to make "Noise" He will do his job and thats all I ask for.

I disagree Hughes wont give the All Star that hard of a time, I dont think JJ goes off for 40 but I dont think he goes under 20 PPG.

Im saying Lebron is REAL LIFE Gets a Triple Double all the time, he dosnt need to do that in this game because his team is 100xxxxx Times better.

I dont understand you, Then Shaq Terry VC and KG all will be worse because they will be playing together? Like I dont even understand what your trying to say..

Brad Miller and Z will both get Rebounds, Shaq and KG are good Rebounders but so are Miller and Z. It's not like Shaq is like him oldself and his 20 Rebounds wont be happening.

Your argument gets weaker by each post.

Delonte will do his job: "pass the ball". So why do you keep saying West will do better than Terry? Terry will shoot 3's, and pass the ball, he will get the stats he got with the Mavs. Delonte will just "pass the ball". There, Terry has the advantage in this series.

On average, Johnson gets 20 PPG. Hughes is an above average defender, and he will give Johnson a hard time scoring. Not to mention, you have Lebron in your team. 12-15 PPG seems fine to me.

Lebron gets triple doubles in real life. He won't here, so why bring it up in the first place?

Shaq got 15/10ish numbers in a team loads with talent.
KG got 20/10+ on a team loads with talent.
Terry got 16/5 on a team loads with talent.

Lebron got those sick numbers playing alone.
JJ got those numbers on a mediocre team.

Now do you understand what I'm trying to say?

KO.

superkegger
09-14-2008, 10:32 PM
I'll take the nets, and its not just because I don't want to face the Cavs. I think they're deeper, more balanced and have better D. I would elaborate but yall are going to argue it to death anyhow.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 10:35 PM
Your argument gets weaker by each post.

Delonte will do his job: "pass the ball". So why do you keep saying West will do better than Terry? Terry will shoot 3's, and pass the ball, he will get the stats he got with the Mavs. Delonte will just "pass the ball". There, Terry has the advantage in this series.

On average, Johnson gets 20 PPG. Hughes is an above average defender, and he will give Johnson a hard time scoring. Not to mention, you have Lebron in your team. 12-15 PPG seems fine to me.

Lebron gets triple doubles in real life. He won't here, so why bring it up in the first place?

Shaq got 15/10ish numbers in a team loads with talent.
KG got 20/10+ on a team loads with talent.
Terry got 16/5 on a team loads with talent.

Lebron got those sick numbers playing alone.
JJ got those numbers on a mediocre team.

Now do you understand what I'm trying to say?

KO.

I dont like Jason Terry at all, He wasnt better then Devin Harris to start when Harris was only a Second Year player. I dont like his game and I think he shoots way too much, All I need Delonte West to do is Pass the ball and run my offense I think he dose that better then Terry, Terry is the better shooter tho.

Having Lebron only HELPS Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson has Josh Smith Al Horford Mike Bibby and all these shooters and nice players on his team in the ATL, I dont understand why he would average more? By your Logic Shaq would be crappy because of KG..Hughes hold him to 12-15 PPG? :laugh2: Tell me what one again please

The Mavs werent even good, They play hardly any Defense and Terry just shoots too much.

Kevin Garnett is better with Paul and Ray Allen then he was with the T-Wolves, Having Two All Star players next to you only HELPS you.

Shaq? He only averaged 12/7...

The Atlanta Hawks are a VERY Good team, They took the Boston Celtics to Seven Games, Incase you missed it they were the 2008 NBA Champions, I wouldnt call them a bad team at all.

Saying Lebron would be bad on a team with more talent is crazy, Kobe did it with Odom Fisher and Pau Gasol? Why cant Lebron do it with Joe Johnson Miller Z ?

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 10:41 PM
I dont like Jason Terry at all, He wasnt better then Devin Harris to start when Harris was only a Second Year player. I dont like his game and I think he shoots way too much, All I need Delonte West to do is Pass the ball and run my offense I think he dose that better then Terry, Terry is the better shooter tho.

Having Lebron only HELPS Joe Johnson, Joe Johnson has Josh Smith Al Horford Mike Bibby and all these shooters and nice players on his team in the ATL, I dont understand why he would average more? By your Logic Shaq would be crappy because of KG..Hughes hold him to 12-15 PPG? :laugh2: Tell me what one again please

The Mavs werent even good, They play hardly any Defense and Terry just shoots too much.

Kevin Garnett is better with Paul and Ray Allen then he was with the T-Wolves, Having Two All Star players next to you only HELPS you.

Shaq? He only averaged 12/7...

The Atlanta Hawks are a VERY Good team, They took the Boston Celtics to Seven Games, Incase you missed it they were the 2008 NBA Champions, I wouldnt call them a bad team at all.

Saying Lebron would be bad on a team with more talent is crazy, Kobe did it with Odom Fisher and Pau Gasol? Why cant Lebron do it with Joe Johnson Miller Z ?

Just because you don't like Terry doesn't mean he's a scrub. Terry is going to be more productful than West and that's that.

Having Lebron only HELPS Johnson get less points per game. Look where I'm going at:

Johnson scored 20 PPG for the Hawks.
Add his combination with Lebron, he'll drop to like 17 PPG.
Add the fact Hughes is defending JJ, he'll have like 14 PPG, am I right or not?

That's why, Johnson is not a factor in your team.

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 10:41 PM
Dynasty wanna just Vote for our own teams Supperkegger did it and it just means 1 Vote more for you and Me.
Btw
I wont be on untill 5 Because I have School untill 2:30 and then Soccer untill 5 O'Clock.

Peace Guys Hopefully I come back and Im winning, I hope the HomeCourt Advantage helps and I hope it's still up when I come home. Have a good time voting everyone

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 10:43 PM
okay, vote

Westbrook36
09-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Just because you don't like Terry doesn't mean he's a scrub. Terry is going to be more productful than West and that's that.

Having Lebron only HELPS Johnson get less points per game. Look where I'm going at:

Johnson scored 20 PPG for the Hawks.
Add his combination with Lebron, he'll drop to like 17 PPG.
Add the fact Hughes is defending JJ, he'll have like 14 PPG, am I right or not?

That's why, Johnson is not a factor in your team.

No he wont, he just shoots the ball better, He dosnt run the Offense better at all..

Why would his points drop? They only go up because say the Cavs Averaged 90 PPG then it would be up to 100 PPG because of the new Offense and all the better players, I dont understand why the **** it would drop? Like seriously? Then Vince Carter would drop to 15 PPG Shaq to 9 and KG to 18? Am I right by your logic?

No Hughes isnt the defender he once was, I HIGHLY Doubt he can hold him down? Maybe one Game or Two But I dont think he will at all every single game like you make it out to me. Hes not that good of a Defender.

It helps more then it hurts to have Joe Johnson a top 5 SG on a team with Lebron and two 15/10 Big Men

Dynasty
09-14-2008, 10:47 PM
No he wont, he just shoots the ball better, He dosnt run the Offense better at all..

Why would his points drop? They only go up because say the Cavs Averaged 90 PPG then it would be up to 100 PPG because of the new Offense and all the better players, I dont understand why the **** it would drop? Like seriously? Then Vince Carter would drop to 15 PPG Shaq to 9 and KG to 18? Am I right by your logic?

No Hughes isnt the defender he once was, I HIGHLY Doubt he can hold him down? Maybe one Game or Two But I dont think he will at all every single game like you make it out to me. Hes not that good of a Defender.

It helps more then it hurts to have Joe Johnson a top 5 SG on a team with Lebron and two 15/10 Big Men

Johnson + Lebron isn't the same thing as Terry, VC, Shaq, KG

Johnson and Lebron are BOTH ISOLATORS, same type of players, that's why their points would drop

as for my Team,
-only Carter is an isolator
-Terry shoots the 3
-KG and Shaq are in the post = easy shots = good stats

not to mention, your team will be limited to jump shots with KG and Shaq down low

see, we own on defense and offense

redsox4ever36
09-14-2008, 10:58 PM
Cavs. LeBron can win a series on his own, help from JJ and some solid rebounding should be enough to win. Nets are good, but Shaq's a load, and Larry Hughes is well, Larry Hughes.

DocUSN
09-14-2008, 11:42 PM
Just because you don't like Terry doesn't mean he's a scrub. Terry is going to be more productful than West and that's that.

Having Lebron only HELPS Johnson get less points per game. Look where I'm going at:

Johnson scored 20 PPG for the Hawks.
Add his combination with Lebron, he'll drop to like 17 PPG.
Add the fact Hughes is defending JJ, he'll have like 14 PPG, am I right or not?

That's why, Johnson is not a factor in your team.

Your not, I voted for the nets but I'm a cavs fan from ohio and Larry hughes hasnt locked up anyine for a few years, and its not because of his injury, he dosnt care, you can see it on the court, If this was a contrat year you;d be good to go, but JJ avrages 20 on these Cavs easy.

dre1990
09-15-2008, 12:04 AM
New Jersey in 6

Leftcoast_yg
09-15-2008, 02:57 AM
cavs for the reason wallac can be put on shaq or kg and affect their game especially kg, ben is quick and strong wich kg would lack strenght amd u could put big z on slow beat down shaq and bring him out to the mid range and lebron will have his way, and if kg rolls over than u have johnson on the perimeter or delonte not to mention brad miller, wow thats pretty tough for shaq to gueard guys that can really hit the 16 footer consistently..

west
joe johnson or ricky davis
lebron vs carter? thats like a hummer going head on towards a dae woo
wallace vs kg
miller or big z vs shaq

Dynasty
09-15-2008, 06:03 AM
Closest series ever

I woke up at 5:30 AM ET just to check on this since voting ended at 6:00 AM ET and it was 21-22 the whole time, I kept refreshing the page to see if anyone had voted

now I can go back to sleep:)

Duncan = Donkey
09-15-2008, 07:16 AM
Z has never been a 15/10 guy, he has never had over 10 boards a year.

Westbrook36
09-15-2008, 05:26 PM
Z has never been a 15/10 guy, he has never had over 10 boards a year.

9.3 Is pretty damn Close...

Dynasty
09-15-2008, 05:28 PM
Good series, Westbrook, the closest I've ever seen (1 vote difference)

Westbrook36
09-15-2008, 05:30 PM
Yeah I know looking pretty nice, When dose this close? I dont think it should unless it stays like this for like ever.

Dynasty
09-15-2008, 05:31 PM
It doesn't close I think, we just wait for the next round

Beno7500
09-16-2008, 01:22 AM
Cleveland. Lebron alone pushes them further.