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jwin2005
09-13-2008, 02:12 PM
Wolves BLOW IT AGAIN!?

Miami who has taken Michael Beasley AND Mario Chalmers have now also taken Shaun Livingston

the Wolves have to be the unluckiest team of ALL TIME!

WSUJJ
09-13-2008, 02:54 PM
yep

GOGOGOMEZ08
09-13-2008, 02:59 PM
is their a link to this?

brandonwarne52
09-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Free-agent guard Shaun Livingston recently had private workouts with the Trail Blazers and Timberwolves. Both teams are interested in signing him, and the Heat are also still in the mix.
The Blazers are currently the favorite to sign him. His addition could complicate the roles of Steve Blake and Jerryd Bayless, though most league sources indicate Livingston won't be physically prepared to contribute this season, as he continues to rehabilitate his knee. No matter where he ends up, fantasy owners shouldn't draft Livingston this season.
-Rotoworld.com

jetsfan28
09-13-2008, 03:12 PM
Unless they give him more than 4 mill a year, which I doubt, it really can't hurt to sign him.

thesparky33
09-13-2008, 04:46 PM
I'm gonna change the title of the thread to make it more appropriate, otherwise I'd have to close it...

But anyway, to put my 2 cents into the hat, I think for the right amount of money, it wouldnt hurt to take a chance on Livingston. I dont know if he is able to fully come back, but it's definitely a low risk, high reward move, since its not like we'd be giving him big bucks, and we can afford to have him sit out this year and develop.

Worst case scenario is that he never is able to fully rehabilitate, and we wind up eating his contract (that shouldnt be more than 2-3M per year for no more than 2 years, which is not interfering with our free agency plans in 2010).

Best case scenario is that he rehabs quickly, not even necessarily this season, but in a year or so is able to fully progress into an above average starting PG, and with his past potential, maybe even our eventual PG of the future and (hopefully) our playoff runs and championship campaigns. It would be a great problem to have 2 really good PGs in Telfair and Livingston, and having to choose who to keep, and being "forced" into moving Foye to the 2-guard position... :)

Preuss-is-right
09-13-2008, 07:29 PM
The Wolves are considering signing Shaun Livingston which would be a terrible mistake unless he is less than $3m a year

He is injury prone and many said he may never be good at all and will never be back to the potential he once had back in 2004-2005.

He is a major project not worth taking.

The Wolves should be happy with who they have. Also they are at or very close to the 15 man roster.

I am happy with Foye, McCants, Brewer, Miller, Love, and Jefferson.

What do you guys think... is the Livingston project worth it?

Since when have you been happy with the Wolves? All I've ever heard from you is that we are hopeless. This is the only time I've ever heard you say you were happy with who we have. Did you finally start taking your meds?;)

brandonwarne52
09-13-2008, 07:35 PM
There's nothing to lose by signing him, so if he's actually interested, go for it.

jwin2005
09-13-2008, 08:01 PM
Since when have you been happy with the Wolves? All I've ever heard from you is that we are hopeless. This is the only time I've ever heard you say you were happy with who we have. Did you finally start taking your meds?;)

I am just happy we are heading in the right direction... I dont want to see us going the wrong way with a guy who is going to be injured the rest of his career

PurpleJesus
09-13-2008, 08:13 PM
excellent, something to get us talking again. Yes, go for Livingston, Foye isnt a natural PG. Excellent idea to get him in
I remember about 2 or 3 years ago when all the buzz around the league was about two young point gueards, Livingston and Telfair, Id love to have both of them.

reemy
09-13-2008, 08:28 PM
They should really do this and try to beat out the rest of the contenders fighting for livingston, while not spending over 3.5-4 million for him

brandonwarne52
09-13-2008, 08:54 PM
Gotta sign him for 2 years. That way if he beasts, we have him cheap for another year.

thesparky33
09-13-2008, 08:58 PM
Since when have you been happy with the Wolves? All I've ever heard from you is that we are hopeless. This is the only time I've ever heard you say you were happy with who we have. Did you finally start taking your meds?;)

That's really not appropriate, nor needed...

Preuss-is-right
09-14-2008, 01:48 AM
I thought since I added the ;) after it everything would be fine. Sorry if I offended you jwin. Given his history I thought I could give him tihs. Sorry again to everyone who was offended.

Bound To Lose
09-14-2008, 03:10 AM
Sign him to a moderate 2-3 year contract if you can. Who knows, he could turn out to be the best move this off-season.

Oefarmy2005
09-14-2008, 03:46 AM
I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Livingston, but who would be the odd man out? Richard or Booth?

Bound To Lose
09-14-2008, 04:00 AM
Boooooooooth.

Foye
09-14-2008, 08:04 AM
Give him a one or two year/s contract and hope he can show his full potential....

if thats possible there can be no mistake i mean he had terrible injuries...give him the chance to come back
I honestly think that we can't regret it if we give him a chance for a year or two, with low salary of course.

The worst he can turn out is still better than Mark Madsen or Calvin Booth ^^

WolvesFan23
09-14-2008, 09:01 AM
Yes Sign Him

Preuss-is-right
09-14-2008, 12:31 PM
Signing him for a short term contract would be a smart move. With our injury history at that position we might as well sign another injury prone guard.

jwin2005
09-14-2008, 02:32 PM
I thought since I added the ;) after it everything would be fine. Sorry if I offended you jwin. Given his history I thought I could give him tihs. Sorry again to everyone who was offended.

Not offended at all. BoeKnows is the one who gets on my nerves most of the time. He thinks the Wolves are the best and do not make dumbhead moves.

Anyways Livingston to a short-term deal is whatever. I do not care about that move at all. Pull the trigger McHale it doesn't matter he will have no affect on this team this year, next year, or basically ever. He is a skinny little guy who is going to be nothing but benchwarmer like Mad Dog.

I can see us dropping Booth or Mad Dog to get this guy.

I just hope McHale knows what he is doing to set us up for 2010. Ryan Gomes can be let go which is great news. We need to be in the hunt for: Bosh, Lebron, Kobe, or Wade.

If we could have Foye be an above average point guard, McCants a 20+ scorer, Miller 3 point specialist, Love a 20,10 player, and Jefferson being a beast... we will be ready to bring in a superstar to bring us to the next level. We can only dream.

Foye
09-14-2008, 04:07 PM
Not offended at all. BoeKnows is the one who gets on my nerves most of the time. He thinks the Wolves are the best and do not make dumbhead moves.

Anyways Livingston to a short-term deal is whatever. I do not care about that move at all. Pull the trigger McHale it doesn't matter he will have no affect on this team this year, next year, or basically ever. He is a skinny little guy who is going to be nothing but benchwarmer like Mad Dog.

I can see us dropping Booth or Mad Dog to get this guy.

I just hope McHale knows what he is doing to set us up for 2010. Ryan Gomes can be let go which is great news. We need to be in the hunt for: Bosh, Lebron, Kobe, or Wade.

If we could have Foye be an above average point guard, McCants a 20+ scorer, Miller 3 point specialist, Love a 20,10 player, and Jefferson being a beast... we will be ready to bring in a superstar to bring us to the next level. We can only dream.

Laughing Out Loud if I had a billion dollar I would be the king...

Sorry but ur opinion sucks.

First of all Livingston wasn't No 4 Pick overall for being as good as Mad Dog. The worst thing he could turn out is still better than Mad Dog!

U have to be realistic: Love can never be a 20/10 player, not only because he is not good enough(which I think ^^), it is not possible to have 2 20/10 guys on a team and I think McCants offensive production will decrease. We have enough guys who can score so he won't be the 2nd best scorer anymore...

Everyone who thinks we could bring in Bosh, Lebron, Wade and Kobe (Why would we want him? He is getting old)
Neither of them will ever come to Minnesota in their prime. Stop dreaming and start thinking about Livingston. He could definitely turn out to be a decent player once he regains his full strength, we should not miss that opportunity to grab him.

_Sn1P3r_
09-14-2008, 09:08 PM
You can give him a shot. You don't need him to contribute right away 'cause of Foye so that'll give him time to develop and get back to form.

IowaAJ
09-22-2008, 11:11 PM
I think we should sign him because he is a high risk, high reward player plus he is a guard that can play the point, shooting and has enought height to play the small forward position which is exactly what we have been looking for.

boeknows
09-23-2008, 01:00 AM
I think we should sign him because he is a high risk, high reward player plus he is a guard that can play the point, shooting and has enought height to play the small forward position which is exactly what we have been looking for.

There is no way he is strong enough to play the SF position. He is only 180 lbs. He would get pushed all over the place. Jaric really couldnt handle it either and he outweighs Livingston by 45 lbs.

Preuss-is-right
09-23-2008, 08:27 AM
There is no way he is strong enough to play the SF position. He is only 180 lbs. He would get pushed all over the place. Jaric really couldnt handle it either and he outweighs Livingston by 45 lbs.

And Corey Brewer weighs how much?

IowaAJ
09-23-2008, 06:42 PM
Yeah I know he doesn't have the weight but he does have the height.

boeknows
09-24-2008, 12:44 AM
And Corey Brewer weighs how much?

And Brewer gets pushed around a lot by bigger guys. He also is only in when it is a smaller guy he is guarding. He wasnt guarding anyone that was as big as say Gomes is.

PurpleJesus
09-25-2008, 09:25 PM
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originally 3 teams were looking at him after his most recent workouts, Portland says they will not sign him now, that leave it down to two teams, the wolves being one of them

boeknows
09-25-2008, 11:36 PM
Whose the third team? I cant remember who it was right off hand.

Preuss-is-right
09-26-2008, 07:03 AM
And Brewer gets pushed around a lot by bigger guys. He also is only in when it is a smaller guy he is guarding. He wasnt guarding anyone that was as big as say Gomes is.

I was just saying that Brewer started some games for us at the SF position and Livingston is roughly the same size but actually had/has some offensive skills so it wouldnt be out of the question to start him there if the match-up is right.

Hawkeye15
09-26-2008, 09:02 PM
If they offer him a 2 year deal, hopefully only one year guaranteed, for say, $1.2 million a year, I have no problem at all with it. He is a high reward player potentially. If he doesn't work out, he is gone the year our cap space is sky high

boeknows
09-27-2008, 01:24 AM
I was just saying that Brewer started some games for us at the SF position and Livingston is roughly the same size but actually had/has some offensive skills so it wouldnt be out of the question to start him there if the match-up is right.

O ok i see what ur saying.

tcman2007
09-27-2008, 01:27 PM
O ok i see what ur saying.


Here's some interesting stuff I found on Yahoo! Sports:


http://www.canishoopus.com/2008/9/26/622371/sign-now-pt-ii

thesparky33
09-27-2008, 02:30 PM
Good find, tcman...

I agree, I think it would only be a good thing to sign Livingston, but I really dont think the possibility of him fully healing is very likely...

PurpleJesus
09-27-2008, 02:44 PM
http://www.canishoopus.com/2008/9/27/623046/wolves-camp-roster-coming

this link was found on the page that tcman posted, it talks more about the t-wolves signing livingston, and a little bit about our training camp roster. We have some guy ive never heard of on our training camp roster who was the 8th overall pick in the 2004 draft. Hes a big man from Russia

Hawkeye15
09-27-2008, 02:58 PM
http://www.canishoopus.com/2008/9/27/623046/wolves-camp-roster-coming

this link was found on the page that tcman posted, it talks more about the t-wolves signing livingston, and a little bit about our training camp roster. We have some guy ive never heard of on our training camp roster who was the 8th overall pick in the 2004 draft. Hes a big man from Russia

you've never heard of him because he sucks. They just want someone tall to go through drills while Jefferson and Collins are out. Once Jefferson gets back in a week or two, goodbye. And I for sure see us waiving Booth if we can sign Livingston. Ahern will play D league this year. He just isn't good enough for the NBA

WSU Tony
09-27-2008, 03:03 PM
2 year contract. If he comes back we have him for a couple years, if not we're good for the 2010 free for all FA market. Low risk, high reward. Come 2010 we decide what kind of tallent we have on our team which would be a combination of what we have now, Livingston, + up to 4 1st round picks.... At that point we decide if we want to sign our tallent long term or seek outside help in FA.

Plan for success, if you ask me.

PurpleJesus
09-27-2008, 03:06 PM
i really want livingston, yeah i know he was injured, but players come back, this guy was once supposed to be the future.

With our three PG of Foye, Telfair, and Livingston, i think chances are pretty good that one can become a very solid Starting PG in the league.
I would also like to get him so that we can play Foye more in the 2 guard spot

Preuss-is-right
09-27-2008, 09:48 PM
I cant imagine a reason why not to go after him. Now that we are expected to sign him and there really isnt interest in him we can get him for peanuts.

I really like the fact that if we did sign him Telfair would be our only true PG. If he pans out and Livingston gets back to even 80% we should have one of the best overall backcourts in the league if everyone live up to expectations.

boeknows
09-28-2008, 01:10 PM
you've never heard of him because he sucks.

If its the same guy i am seeing and remembering he was highly touted coming into the draft. He is a big center who was drafted by the Raptors pretty high in the draft. Correct me if im wrong.

OK so i just found him and if its Rafael Araujo that is in camp then im right. He was drafted 8th overall by the Raptors in 2004. He was a big center from BYU. The year before he was drafted he averaged 18 and 10 in that season and the season before that he averaged 12 and 9. So he has the potential he just needs to get back to the way it was in college.

WSU Tony
09-28-2008, 11:43 PM
Any news?

PurpleJesus
09-28-2008, 11:56 PM
can we just sign him already, camp starts in less than two days

The Lizard King
09-29-2008, 12:05 PM
I think they will. The only reason I can think why they haven't yet is because Livingston might be asking for too much.

jwin2005
09-30-2008, 12:15 PM
Kevin McHale wants stupid Kevin Ollie are you serious?

I think Miami is only paying Livingston $1.93 million

Wolves are so unlucky first Miami gets Beasley, then Chalmers, and now Livingston....

Hawkeye15
09-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Kevin McHale wants stupid Kevin Ollie are you serious?

I think Miami is only paying Livingston $1.93 million

Wolves are so unlucky first Miami gets Beasley, then Chalmers, and now Livingston....

Beas was their pick, nothing we can do there. We traded Chalmers before the Memphis trade, we didn't need him. Livingston, hmmm, I am a 22 year old black man, Miami beach, or Minneapolis. Look, we all love Minny because we are from there a lot of us, but it is REALLY cold and boring, hence why I don't live there anymore

jwin2005
09-30-2008, 04:33 PM
did you have to refer to a black man?

anyways here is the latest news on Livingston

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-livingston093008,0,3851965.story

I dont ever believe Riley and McHale obviously has made some boneheaded moves

The Lizard King
09-30-2008, 05:46 PM
I think the Wolves are counting on Foye/Telfair to pan out this year, and addressing our Guard situation in the draft if need be.

It would have been nice to sign him, but oh well.

PurpleJesus
09-30-2008, 06:12 PM
dammit, i wanted him, i now hope he sucks and it doesnt make the timberwolves look bad. I guess its more likely that he wont be as good as he once was supposed to be

Hawkeye15
09-30-2008, 06:43 PM
did you have to refer to a black man?

anyways here is the latest news on Livingston

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-livingston093008,0,3851965.story

I dont ever believe Riley and McHale obviously has made some boneheaded moves

yes, I did. Have you ever been to a Wolves game? I grew up in Minneapolis, and it is white as hell. If you are a young, black man, and you had neutral money offered, you pick Miami beach dude. That is not racist I don't think. If it is, I am terribly sorry, but if I were a young kid, and ethnic, Miami would appeal to me a LOT more than Minnesota. Look at the whole Yi thing in Milwaukee last year. Same thing

PurpleJesus
09-30-2008, 07:43 PM
so did miami get him or not, i cant find anything anywhere that miami has him

boeknows
09-30-2008, 08:10 PM
I also still dont see anything about Ollie or Livingston anywhere. If u are going to report news here then u need to provide a link. If u dont have a link then dont post it.

PurpleJesus
09-30-2008, 08:28 PM
edited to delete, sorry, wrong thread

Hawkeye15
09-30-2008, 10:07 PM
I also still dont see anything about Ollie or Livingston anywhere. If u are going to report news here then u need to provide a link. If u dont have a link then dont post it.

hoopshype.com has stuff on it, but nothing is official until released by the league obviously. It looks like Miami got him, oh well. He wasn't going to contribute this season anyway

PurpleJesus
09-30-2008, 11:42 PM
i read on hoopshype the heat want him but dont have room

jwin2005
10-01-2008, 02:08 PM
we are back in the running for shaun livingston

the Heat seem like they dont want to pay the luxury tax and the Wolves and Clippers are the only ones who have any interest

the case seems to be that we offered Shaun a contract but he said thanks but no thanks

IowaAJ
10-01-2008, 03:01 PM
WOLVES SIGN OLLIE
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/kevin_ollie_release_091001.html

I like the move since Livingston didn't want to come here is a veteran which will only help a young team and our young point guards to learn from a veteran who has played in the NBA for 11 years.


Ollie, a 6-2 guard from Connecticut, brings 11 years of NBA experience to the Wolves roster. Despite going undrafted out of college, Ollie has appeared in 587 career games, including 79 starts, and holds averages of 3.8 points, 2.3 assists and 1.6 rebounds per game. Ollie's best statistical season came in 2002-03 with Milwaukee and Seattle as he averaged 6.9 points, 3.6 assists and 2.5 rebounds in 82 contests.

jwin2005
10-01-2008, 03:19 PM
iowaAJ why you bringing ollie in here for... he means nothing

anyways here is a quote from slam:

" One of my favorite stories today is this tidbit in the Minnesota Star-Tribune regarding the always alert GM Kevin McHale:

The Wolves are back in pursuit of free-agent guard Shaun Livingston. On Monday, Kevin McHale said Livingston’s agent told the Wolves that his client would sign with Miami, but Heat President Pat Riley on Tuesday called Livingston’s acquisition a “dead issue.”

So you’re telling me that Kevin McHale may have been tricked by someone’s agent? Or is that just how bad the L-Wolves are these days, that a guy who’s leg turned into E.T. would rather just lie about signing with another team than go to the L-Wolves?

“Hey Shaun, it’s your agent. Yeah, so the T-Wolves are really interested in signing you. No, no, no, the Minnesota Timberwolves. No, they’re in the NBA, they’re not a WNBA team. Oh. OK. Got it. OK, so I’ll just tell them you’re signing with, um, let’s just say the Heat, OK? There’s no way in the world McHale’s going to call Riley. And I don’t think Riles gets reception out on his boat, anyway.”

brandonwarne52
10-01-2008, 03:21 PM
Huh?

The Lizard King
10-01-2008, 03:28 PM
That post was all over the place............. BTW, I ****ing hate the Ollie signing.

PurpleJesus
10-01-2008, 07:05 PM
iowaAJ why you bringing ollie in here for... he means nothing

anyways here is a quote from slam:

" One of my favorite stories today is this tidbit in the Minnesota Star-Tribune regarding the always alert GM Kevin McHale:

The Wolves are back in pursuit of free-agent guard Shaun Livingston. On Monday, Kevin McHale said Livingston’s agent told the Wolves that his client would sign with Miami, but Heat President Pat Riley on Tuesday called Livingston’s acquisition a “dead issue.”

So you’re telling me that Kevin McHale may have been tricked by someone’s agent? Or is that just how bad the L-Wolves are these days, that a guy who’s leg turned into E.T. would rather just lie about signing with another team than go to the L-Wolves?

“Hey Shaun, it’s your agent. Yeah, so the T-Wolves are really interested in signing you. No, no, no, the Minnesota Timberwolves. No, they’re in the NBA, they’re not a WNBA team. Oh. OK. Got it. OK, so I’ll just tell them you’re signing with, um, let’s just say the Heat, OK? There’s no way in the world McHale’s going to call Riley. And I don’t think Riles gets reception out on his boat, anyway.”

Who are the L-Wolves?

brandonwarne52
10-01-2008, 09:59 PM
That post was all over the place............. BTW, I ****ing hate the Ollie signing.

Eh, but what's a third point guard other than a warm body, anyway? I miss Anthony Carter...

JBoog35
10-01-2008, 10:05 PM
looks like Miami didn't want Livingston.... possibility again?

jwin2005
10-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Thanks for the email Jimmy, we are continuing talks with Shaun's agent and should know something soon. The first couple days of camp have been very good, the guys are really working hard. Take care.
Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy
To: Hoiberg, Fred <hoiberg@timberwolves.com>
Sent: Wed Oct 01 13:33:02 2008
Subject: Shaun Livingston Availability

Hi Fred,

As a true fan and supporting what you guys have done so far, I really want to root you guys on in trying to get point guard Shaun Livingston. He still has a lot of years left and his potential is greater than anyone in the market right now. If you can get him still since the Heat seem like they don't want to pay the luxury tax, you should try to get him. What is he asking for $2-3 million?

We are of course Minnesota and not the best place to attract star players but $3 million seems reasonable but I am not running your team so who knows what you or McHale think.

Good luck with everything and I wish you guys the best this season! Should be exciting.

JBoog35
10-02-2008, 01:31 AM
No way, is that for real?

boeknows
10-02-2008, 03:43 AM
iowaAJ why you bringing ollie in here for... he means nothing

anyways here is a quote from slam:

" One of my favorite stories today is this tidbit in the Minnesota Star-Tribune regarding the always alert GM Kevin McHale:

The Wolves are back in pursuit of free-agent guard Shaun Livingston. On Monday, Kevin McHale said Livingston’s agent told the Wolves that his client would sign with Miami, but Heat President Pat Riley on Tuesday called Livingston’s acquisition a “dead issue.”

So you’re telling me that Kevin McHale may have been tricked by someone’s agent? Or is that just how bad the L-Wolves are these days, that a guy who’s leg turned into E.T. would rather just lie about signing with another team than go to the L-Wolves?

“Hey Shaun, it’s your agent. Yeah, so the T-Wolves are really interested in signing you. No, no, no, the Minnesota Timberwolves. No, they’re in the NBA, they’re not a WNBA team. Oh. OK. Got it. OK, so I’ll just tell them you’re signing with, um, let’s just say the Heat, OK? There’s no way in the world McHale’s going to call Riley. And I don’t think Riles gets reception out on his boat, anyway.”

Once again i became dumber for reading another JWIN post.

boeknows
10-02-2008, 03:45 AM
Thanks for the email Jimmy, we are continuing talks with Shaun's agent and should know something soon. The first couple days of camp have been very good, the guys are really working hard. Take care.
Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy
To: Hoiberg, Fred <hoiberg@timberwolves.com>
Sent: Wed Oct 01 13:33:02 2008
Subject: Shaun Livingston Availability

Hi Fred,

As a true fan and supporting what you guys have done so far, I really want to root you guys on in trying to get point guard Shaun Livingston. He still has a lot of years left and his potential is greater than anyone in the market right now. If you can get him still since the Heat seem like they don't want to pay the luxury tax, you should try to get him. What is he asking for $2-3 million?

We are of course Minnesota and not the best place to attract star players but $3 million seems reasonable but I am not running your team so who knows what you or McHale think.

Good luck with everything and I wish you guys the best this season! Should be exciting.

As a true fan? Your full of ****. You talk more **** about the Wolves than anyone i know. If ur such a true fan then why do u always bad mouth them. Wow talk about 2 faced.

jwin2005
10-02-2008, 08:21 AM
Boe dont get so angry... you remind of McCain being mad at the world... i bet you are a McCain supporter huh?

Anyways I am not going to say that I am optimistic and happy with all the decisions made by the Wolves organization, however, I support them since I live in Minnesota and would love for us to get a championship ring one day. I bad mouth to let off anger and frustration, but at the end of the day I love your wolves just as much as you do.

Oefarmy2005
10-02-2008, 11:01 AM
Jwin, you are full of **** and everynone knows it besides Fred. As someone already said on this forum somewhere - " 'nuff said."

jwin2005
10-02-2008, 11:44 AM
I think that is a little negative... seriously I am a fan just as much as you are

Just because I say that McHale is wrong or that the Wolves have a very tough couple years ahead of them doesn't mean I am not a fan.

I am tired of having to defend myself... you should attack the issue not me. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean you should disrespect me like that.

This is a forum... do you you know what that means Boe and Oefarmy? That means people voice their opinion here. I know you guys are little kids when it comes to someone dissing your team but grow up sometimes... if you cant take it then dont dish it

IowaAJ
10-02-2008, 12:19 PM
I am bringing up Ollie because the fact of the matter is he has played in the NBA for 11 years. We our a very young team and the more veterans we have the better. You have to understand the signing. We have 2 young point guards still learning Ollie has played point guard for 11 years in the NBA he knows things Telfair and Foye don't and he can pass that along to a young player. Yeah I would of liked to have Livingston but Ollie is a good signing in my oppinion.

Oefarmy2005
10-02-2008, 05:58 PM
I think that is a little negative... seriously I am a fan just as much as you are

Just because I say that McHale is wrong or that the Wolves have a very tough couple years ahead of them doesn't mean I am not a fan.
I am tired of having to defend myself... you should attack the issue not me. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean you should disrespect me like that.

This is a forum... do you you know what that means Boe and Oefarmy? That means people voice their opinion here. I know you guys are little kids when it comes to someone dissing your team but grow up sometimes... if you cant take it then dont dish it

Highlighted comment 1:

If you really think that saying that the Wolves suck, and that they have no future and so on and so on qualifies as saying that they will have a couple of tough years, you are out of your mind.

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You agree yourself that you are "dissing" the wolves, so what else do I have say about that. It's fine to have an opinion, as long as it is a constant one. You, on the other hand, chage your opinion everyday, like I have stated before. So just choose to be negative and stick to it, but the thing is if you are always negative you are not a wolves fan, you are just a wolves critic.

boeknows
10-02-2008, 07:09 PM
Boe dont get so angry... you remind of McCain being mad at the world... i bet you are a McCain supporter huh?

Anyways I am not going to say that I am optimistic and happy with all the decisions made by the Wolves organization, however, I support them since I live in Minnesota and would love for us to get a championship ring one day. I bad mouth to let off anger and frustration, but at the end of the day I love your wolves just as much as you do.

Im not a supporter of anyone in politics. I believe that no matter what they say before the election they are all going to do the same thing after they get elected.

boeknows
10-02-2008, 07:13 PM
You agree yourself that you are "dissing" the wolves, so what else do I have say about that. It's fine to have an opinion, as long as it is a constant one. You, on the other hand, chage your opinion everyday, like I have stated before. So just choose to be negative and stick to it, but the thing is if you are always negative you are not a wolves fan, you are just a wolves critic.

I agree with everything you said.

Hawkeye15
10-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Im not a supporter of anyone in politics. I believe that no matter what they say before the election they are all going to do the same thing after they get elected.

agreed. I just don't want to pay taxes. Look at the bailout, welfare for millionaires basically. And the Republicans passed it. Neither is better than the other
SO, I am so ready for basketball to start.

PurpleJesus
10-02-2008, 08:29 PM
christ go to the off topic thread to discuss politics and who is truly a fan and not

McChale said he is out of the bidding for Livingston too now, maybe he will just end up back in LA

jwin2005
10-02-2008, 08:46 PM
sorry for getting off topic

Hoiberg emailed me back... he says Miami is signing him tomorrow Shaun Livingston to Minnesota will never be

Oh well... hey we got Foye who is going to be a superstar this year

PurpleJesus
10-02-2008, 11:28 PM
im thinking that McHale will go with Ahearn as the 3rd point guard, he must really like what he has seen with him. Now that Livingston seems out of the question, i hope we go with the young guy who has potential instead of the crappy, i mean crafty veteran

PurpleJesus
10-02-2008, 11:38 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10156

I dont know if i can beleive any article on this topice, but heres another one

AirJordanXVIII
10-02-2008, 11:49 PM
Could take a chance on him. I mean the Twolves are rebuilding so it cant hurt. Although that injury was just nasty.