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The_Konnection
09-13-2008, 09:34 AM
Does anyone have any information this injury takes to recover from. It he was going to get hurt bad, I guess the timing wasn't THAT bad. He has the whole season, off season, and preseason to recover. So do you guys think Brady will be strapped up and ready to go by next season?

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 10:32 AM
Brady is supposed to have surgery in about a month, once whatever swelling he has in the knee goes down. From there, he'll need about 6-9 months to fully recover. Realistically, he should be ready for the start of next season. That is, of course, if everything goes to plan.

JerseyBrave
09-13-2008, 02:28 PM
he should have atleast 3 months maybe more time depending on his recovery to get himself back into game shape.

yboord028
09-13-2008, 02:39 PM
He should be fine, He had the injury week 1 so he has alot of time to get ready for next season. Ronnie Brown tore his ACL week 7 and he has looked fine with his knee.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 04:08 PM
He should be fine, He had the injury week 1 so he has alot of time to get ready for next season. Ronnie Brown tore his ACL week 7 and he has looked fine with his knee.

That's a good point. Realistically, if Brady has the surgery in October and it's successful, which isn't always the case, he could be fully healed by May or June of next year. He'll then have 3 or 4 months until the regular season starts, and the rest of the NFL starts ******** their pants again.

dbroncos78087
09-13-2008, 06:31 PM
I think it will be close but he should be ready for next year. I read a while back that the new season will start in 10 months and as mentioned the recovery time for this is 6-9 months i think.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 06:57 PM
^^^Yup.

hockeyunhboy77
09-13-2008, 09:36 PM
What moss tear his ACL

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 10:11 PM
What moss tear his ACL

What the hell are you talking about?

laxtonto
09-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Historically it takes over a year of physical activity until you feel comfortable with it. Add to it, depending on the surgery,it takes a year for a harvested tendon to convert to a ligament within the human body, and roughly the same amount of time for reattachment or ligament splices to fully heal.

McNabb and C. Palmer are 2 really good examples of how difficult the first season back is.

I still don't fell 100% comfortable with mine after several years, and I tore both ligaments Brady did. It really is a hard injury to rehab, just because of not only are you attempting to become healthy, but you also have to mentally convince yourself that you have the same range of motion and leg drive. Add to that the need to attempt to get over your knee brace and its feel, the heavy feeling associated with one leg, the slight change in balance and step, and then repeat these steps in live practice and then with full contact.

I'm not saying that Brady is done, but don't be surprised if his first season back is remarkably different than his normal seasons. I hope for the best for him, and a speedy recovery.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 10:45 PM
Historically it takes over a year of physical activity until you feel comfortable with it. Add to it, depending on the surgery,it takes a year for a harvested tendon to convert to a ligament within the human body, and roughly the same amount of time for reattachment or ligament splices to fully heal.

McNabb and C. Palmer are 2 really good examples of how difficult the first season back is.

I still don't fell 100% comfortable with mine after several years, and I tore both ligaments Brady did. It really is a hard injury to rehab, just because of not only are you attempting to become healthy, but you also have to mentally convince yourself that you have the same range of motion and leg drive. Add to that the need to attempt to get over your knee brace and its feel, the heavy feeling associated with one leg, the slight change in balance and step, and then repeat these steps in live practice and then with full contact.

I'm not saying that Brady is done, but don't be surprised if his first season back is remarkably different than his normal seasons. I hope for the best for him, and a speedy recovery.

Wow, that's some really good insight. Always a pleasure, laxonto. :clap:

NYMetros
09-13-2008, 11:54 PM
He should be ready to go, if everything goes according to plan. Carson Palmer tore his ACL in the playoffs and he was ready to go to start off the next season. Brady has an extra 18 weeks than Carson had too.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 12:51 AM
^^^Another good point.

Patsfan56
09-14-2008, 08:22 AM
I hope so. It will be good having him back.
I am sure he will have the best care money can buy, hopefully that translates to a quick and full recovery.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 09:58 AM
I am sure he will have the best care money can buy, hopefully that translates to a quick and full recovery.

He already has the best care money can buy...her name is Giselle Bundchen. :D

Crickr
09-14-2008, 10:32 AM
He already has the best care money can buy...her name is Giselle Bundchen. :D

Oh to get that kind of care

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 11:14 AM
In a perfect worl, we could all score like Tom Brady...

KingJamsI
09-14-2008, 02:10 PM
I believe if Brady struggles next year it will be more mental than physical, 50 weeks is a generous amount of time to recover from a knee injury. Consider this though, If he doesn't play in pre-season that will equal up to 18 months in which Brady has played just 7 minutes of football....and you think Peyton Manning looks rusty....

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 02:55 PM
Good point King Jams.

mc6796
09-15-2008, 09:24 AM
Brady is supposed to have surgery in about a month, once whatever swelling he has in the knee goes down. From there, he'll need about 6-9 months to fully recover. Realistically, he should be ready for the start of next season. That is, of course, if everything goes to plan.

Agreed, at this point Tom should complete his rehab at the begining of camp. In terms of recover time this is the ideal time for him to go down and be ready for next year.

mc6796
09-15-2008, 09:31 AM
Historically it takes over a year of physical activity until you feel comfortable with it. Add to it, depending on the surgery,it takes a year for a harvested tendon to convert to a ligament within the human body, and roughly the same amount of time for reattachment or ligament splices to fully heal.

McNabb and C. Palmer are 2 really good examples of how difficult the first season back is.

I still don't fell 100% comfortable with mine after several years, and I tore both ligaments Brady did. It really is a hard injury to rehab, just because of not only are you attempting to become healthy, but you also have to mentally convince yourself that you have the same range of motion and leg drive. Add to that the need to attempt to get over your knee brace and its feel, the heavy feeling associated with one leg, the slight change in balance and step, and then repeat these steps in live practice and then with full contact.

I'm not saying that Brady is done, but don't be surprised if his first season back is remarkably different than his normal seasons. I hope for the best for him, and a speedy recovery.

First, Palmer was injured in the playoffs and had a tough start to the next season.
Second, why do people insist on comparing their injuries to that of a professional athlete. For example I just finished three weeks of rehab with the exact same shoulder injury Ben played through last night. I couldn't play with any form of effectiveness at this point, but Ben could. These guys have elite rehab and medical staff and equipment. You can't compare your injury to Tom's.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 02:06 PM
^^^That's a good point.

laxtonto
09-15-2008, 02:12 PM
Maybe its because if you had read the other threads about this issue you would have realized that I was reffering to an injury i sustained while playing collegiately that ended my career. Rehab and surgeons where not an issue.

Secondly, any of the major literature about ACL and MCL reconstruction will tell you the same thing. The body takes on average about a year to convert a tendon from horizontally structured fibers of a tendon into the vertically structured fibers of a ligament. The time frame can be lessened with a cadaver ligament, but the likelihood of rejection increases. You can theoretically return to contact after 8 months, with a full knee brace and some limitation, but the likelihood of re-injury becomes a serious issue. All these time frames, also do not take into account the mental side of the issue, which will be a major problem.

So its Sept 15, with the time frame of 2-4 weeks till surgery.

So, surgery in Oct. At best, Brady gets 10 months till Training camp in August. Mind you that means no OTA's. The fact that we can come up with exactly 1 example of a QB coming back in less than 10 months should tell you something. Multi-ligament tears, in contact sports that stress mobility, and cutting movements need to be fully healed to prevent re-injury.

As far as the shoulder of Rothlesburger, the main thing that people fail to point out is that his shoulder is technically structurely sound. Having a grade 1 shoulder separation is extremely painful, but if the swelling is reduced, there is no structural limitations. Like all other athletes, he has the benefits of modern pharmaceuticals that can and do deaden certain areas. Add to that the standard protective shoulder sling that helps prevent re-injury, and I was not surprised to see him play at all. Now if Croyle would have played for K.C., with his Grade 3, then yes it would be a miracle of modern science.

Brady's problem is that their is extensive structural damage and his rehab time will reflect that.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 02:40 PM
Touche.

mc6796
09-15-2008, 03:39 PM
Maybe its because if you had read the other threads about this issue you would have realized that I was reffering to an injury i sustained while playing collegiately that ended my career. Rehab and surgeons where not an issue.

Secondly, any of the major literature about ACL and MCL reconstruction will tell you the same thing. The body takes on average about a year to convert a tendon from horizontally structured fibers of a tendon into the vertically structured fibers of a ligament. The time frame can be lessened with a cadaver ligament, but the likelihood of rejection increases. You can theoretically return to contact after 8 months, with a full knee brace and some limitation, but the likelihood of re-injury becomes a serious issue. All these time frames, also do not take into account the mental side of the issue, which will be a major problem.

So its Sept 15, with the time frame of 2-4 weeks till surgery.

So, surgery in Oct. At best, Brady gets 10 months till Training camp in August. Mind you that means no OTA's. The fact that we can come up with exactly 1 example of a QB coming back in less than 10 months should tell you something. Multi-ligament tears, in contact sports that stress mobility, and cutting movements need to be fully healed to prevent re-injury.

As far as the shoulder of Rothlesburger, the main thing that people fail to point out is that his shoulder is technically structurely sound. Having a grade 1 shoulder separation is extremely painful, but if the swelling is reduced, there is no structural limitations. Like all other athletes, he has the benefits of modern pharmaceuticals that can and do deaden certain areas. Add to that the standard protective shoulder sling that helps prevent re-injury, and I was not surprised to see him play at all. Now if Croyle would have played for K.C., with his Grade 3, then yes it would be a miracle of modern science.

Brady's problem is that their is extensive structural damage and his rehab time will reflect that.

I'm sorry your posts are priority reading for me. Who did play for USC, Miami, Ohio State? The fact is that if you were good enough to play professionally you have been in a place to get the same treatment Brady will and your career wouldn't have ended. Your medical expertise anD ACL & MCL reconstruction literature fails to explain how Brady might not be ready with twice the amount of time to heal as Palmer, with a cadaver ligament, which is most likely what Brady will receive. I never said anything about Croyle's grade three seperation, I am talking about Ben's grade one. With very good, not great medical attention, I just finished a 3 week PT session perscribed by the Orthopedic shoulder specialist used by the University of CT. At which time I was told I have two options. One, which helps in the short term but doesn't heal the AC joint, is a cortison shot, I am absolutely sure that is what Ben did. The second option, which I chose, since I am not a pro athlete, is at least three weeks of PT. I have full range of motion back but still pain at its limits. What I am telling you is that the grimise you saw on Ben's face after every long throw was because it hurt like hell. My point being that it took Ben a week to achieve what took me three.

As a side note for those who may have a grade one or two seperation of the shoulder, do not sling it, try to maintian as much motion as possible. If you imoblize a minor seperation you run the risk of developing frozen shoulder with will require surgery to fix, and is mainly seen in little old ladies.

ERLynx
09-15-2008, 04:15 PM
Has anyone heard the information about where his reconstructed ACL is going to come from? I.E. are they going to harvest one from a cadaver or use material from Tom's own body? Does anyone know which is preferential? I would guess cadaver.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Has anyone heard the information about where his reconstructed ACL is going to come from? I.E. are they going to harvest one from a cadaver or use material from Tom's own body? Does anyone know which is preferential? I would guess cadaver.

:laugh:

Sorry man I have no idea. In a lot of cases, they do use a cadaver, like you said. I don't think that they've made a decision yet though. He hasn't even officially set a date for his surgery yet, although it will probably be in early to mid-October.