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jetsfan28
09-09-2008, 09:08 PM
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New England Patriots @ New York Jets

Location:The Meadowlands
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Time: 4:15 PM ET TV: CBS



QB Comparison

QB Rating Yards Touchdowns Interceptions


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/C/A/S/CAS541133.jpg 116.0 152 1 0
Matt Cassel

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/F/A/V/FAV540222.jpg 125.9 194 2 0
Brett Favre


RB Comparison

Yards Carries YardsPerCarry Touchdowns


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/M/A/R/MAR273311.jpg 51 10 5.1 0
Laurence Maroney

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/J/O/N/JON755755.jpg 101 22 4.6 1
Thomas Jones


WR Comparison

Yards Catches YardsPerCatch Touchdowns


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/M/O/S/MOS699912.jpg 116 6 19.3 1
Randy Moss

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/C/O/T/COT027891.jpg 80 3 26.7 1
Jerricho Cotchery


Defensive Leaders

Tackles Sacks Interceptions


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Rodney Harrison Mike Vrabel Ellis Hobbs
14 2 1

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Eric Barton Bryan Thomas Darrelle Revis
6 2 1


More Stats
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The Intimidator
09-09-2008, 09:20 PM
I'm just going to say this...Cassel and the Pats are going to surprise a lot of people this week.

kazzy4080
09-09-2008, 09:31 PM
pats win 27-17, cassel's numbers 1 touchdown 1 interception 140 yards and he'll be 14-25

look for maroney to have a break out game rushing 100 yards (+/- 10), with 2 touchdowns and sammy morris adding another 50 yards (+/- 10).

defense holds brett favre, intercepting him 2 times and he only gets one touchdown

thomas jones has a good game for the jets rushing for a little less than 100 yards cause the jets will throw more in the 4th being down

of course thats me being optimistic

The Intimidator
09-09-2008, 10:03 PM
pats win 27-17, cassel's numbers 1 touchdown 1 interception 140 yards and he'll be 14-25

look for maroney to have a break out game rushing 100 yards (+/- 10), with 2 touchdowns and sammy morris adding another 50 yards (+/- 10).

defense holds brett favre, intercepting him 2 times and he only gets one touchdown

thomas jones has a good game for the jets rushing for a little less than 100 yards cause the jets will throw more in the 4th being down

of course thats me being optimistic

We win if Cassel doesn't turn the ball over. I also think that he completes over 60 percent of his passes.

MetsFan28
09-10-2008, 12:18 AM
Jets win 27-17, Cassel's numbers 1 touchdown 1 interception 140 yards and he'll be 14-25

look for maroney to suck balls as usual and sammy morris adding another 50 yards.

defense cant hold brett favre, however intercepting him 2 times. he gets 2 touchdown passes

thomas jones has a decent game for the jets rushing for a little less than 70 yards and a 3 inch touchdown run cause the jets running game isnt good.

Fixed. Of course that's me being pesimistic.

Patsfan56
09-10-2008, 05:01 AM
I am thinking more like 21-17 Pats in a close one with a tightly controlled offense with lots of Maroney and Morris pounding the ball, screen passes to Faulk, and some easy short stuff to Moss and Welker to open it up. BB will be managing this down to the wire. Our secondary will pick off Favre at least twice. Defense will shut Favre down in the first half, then Jets will pick it up in the third quarter. But in the end we will shut them down to hold them off for a win by four. I am looking for big games by Thomas, Mayo, Harrison, and Hobbs. Not to mention O-Line opening it up for our running game.

ERLynx
09-10-2008, 09:30 AM
20-17. i dont know who wins, just thats the score.

BRADY4MVP
09-10-2008, 10:00 AM
24-17 pats....

i can see us going in two completely different directions...

the first is that BB will be PISSED and tells casell to air it out, showing the league that we still plan on a high-octane offense. I loved the flea-flicker call when casell was in, just show that we can still mix it up, make it fun.....

second, which is MUCH more realistic IMO, is that we use our ground attack to control the game, having long, taxing drives on the defense. like you guys are saying, i see conservative plays from casell, screens, little outs, with the occasional deep ball to stretch the D......

atleast all the games will be close this year.... :sigh::shrug:

timotio3545
09-10-2008, 10:54 AM
23-20 Pats in OT

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 12:27 PM
24-17 pats....

i can see us going in two completely different directions...

the first is that BB will be PISSED and tells casell to air it out, showing the league that we still plan on a high-octane offense. I loved the flea-flicker call when casell was in, just show that we can still mix it up, make it fun.....

second, which is MUCH more realistic IMO, is that we use our ground attack to control the game, having long, taxing drives on the defense. like you guys are saying, i see conservative plays from casell, screens, little outs, with the occasional deep ball to stretch the D......

atleast all the games will be close this year.... :sigh::shrug:

There is no way, IMO, that BB tells Cassel to "air it out". He has to manage the offense, and like someone mentioned earlier, get the ball into the hands of our four running backs. Faulk will make plays for us on third down, and Morris and Maroney will most likely split carries and gain good yardage. LaMont Jordan will most likely be our goal line back. It is probable that the Jets will double cover Moss, in which case Cassel can check off to Welker in the slot. I have a good feeling about this game. Like I said before, we will surprise a lot of people this week.

MetsFan28
09-10-2008, 03:21 PM
There is no way, IMO, that BB tells Cassel to "air it out". He has to manage the offense, and like someone mentioned earlier, get the ball into the hands of our four running backs. Faulk will make plays for us on third down, and Morris and Maroney will most likely split carries and gain good yardage. LaMont Jordan will most likely be our goal line back. It is probable that the Jets will double cover Moss, in which case Cassel can check off to Welker in the slot. I have a good feeling about this game. Like I said before, we will surprise a lot of people this week.

I doubt Jets will double cover Moss. His QB can't get him the ball as well as Brady can. Cassel won't be able to squeeze the ball through.

BRADY4MVP
09-10-2008, 03:46 PM
im just thinking that this is the same team that was ignorant last year at times, so maybe he will still try and be to say "ok, we lost TB, but we are still doing the same stuff"?

like i said, i think we run run run.....and pull out the win

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 06:39 PM
I doubt Jets will double cover Moss. His QB can't get him the ball as well as Brady can. Cassel won't be able to squeeze the ball through.

Do you think that Cassel is a scrub or something? He's in the NFL for a reason. The kid backed up Palmer and Leinart at USC, and Pete Carroll is on the record as saying that if he had picked Cassel over Leinart, their results in terms of wins and losses wouldn't have been that different. Bottom line: he's good. If the Jets don't double Moss after he TORCHED them last year, regardless of who the QB is, then they are asking for trouble. If they don't double Moss, he will make them pay.

Crickr
09-10-2008, 07:04 PM
Metsfan if they don't double up on Randy then it will be a looooooong day for the Jets

Barry Bonds
09-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Do you think that Cassel is a scrub or something? He's in the NFL for a reason. The kid backed up Palmer and Leinart at USC, and Pete Carroll is on the record as saying that if he had picked Cassel over Leinart, their results in terms of wins and losses wouldn't have been that different. Bottom line: he's good. If the Jets don't double Moss after he TORCHED them last year, regardless of who the QB is, then they are asking for trouble. If they don't double Moss, he will make them pay.

He obviously doesn't know football. I'd just put him on ignore.

As for the game. I think we win it. It'll be a lot closer than if we had Brady , though. I'd think Maroney/Morris gets about 30 carries and Cassel gets close to 250 yeards.

Crickr
09-10-2008, 08:15 PM
I would love to see Cassel get 250 and the load carried by the backs wow that would be more then we could ask for.

YANKSJETSKNICKS
09-10-2008, 08:24 PM
jets win 24-21 jay feely gets the game winner as time expires and he hits hit from 43 yards

Crickr
09-10-2008, 09:17 PM
jets win 24-21 jay feely gets the game winner as time expires and he hits hit from 43 yards

Either way I think it will be a good game...

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 09:39 PM
jets win 24-21 jay feely gets the game winner as time expires and he hits hit from 43 yards

That's sensible. Thank you for showing us that there are some Jets fans who can spell and think. :D

Hometeamrivals
09-10-2008, 10:58 PM
I think this year will prove what kind of coach Bill is. In the past two years his coaching has come into questioning since spygate. This is a great chance to prove his leagacy.

Jets by 10

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 11:01 PM
I'm so sick of you. Stop posting meaningless crap in here, or I'll have you blocked by an administrator.

Barry Bonds
09-10-2008, 11:20 PM
Get him blocked. I think it's quite funny, actually. He copy/pastes the same thing.

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 11:34 PM
It'a never anything constructive though. That's why it pisses me off.

Hometeamrivals
09-10-2008, 11:41 PM
It's my opinion, listen I'm a Dolphins fan and I enjoy hearing your opinions on the team.

The Intimidator
09-10-2008, 11:48 PM
You do nothing but bait when you post in here.

MetsFan28
09-10-2008, 11:55 PM
Do you think that Cassel is a scrub or something? He's in the NFL for a reason. The kid backed up Palmer and Leinart at USC, and Pete Carroll is on the record as saying that if he had picked Cassel over Leinart, their results in terms of wins and losses wouldn't have been that different. Bottom line: he's good. If the Jets don't double Moss after he TORCHED them last year, regardless of who the QB is, then they are asking for trouble. If they don't double Moss, he will make them pay.

Was Randy Moss THIS good when he was a Raider? No. He didn't have that great of a quarterback. When he came to New England he got a top 3 quarterback that turned into the best in the league, stat wise. I know Cassel is good but no way in his first start will he be able to throw like Tom Brady. His timing won't be as good with Moss. He will be able to get the ball to Moss, but not on extreme plays when the throw must be perfect.

MetsFan28
09-10-2008, 11:58 PM
He obviously doesn't know football. I'd just put him on ignore.

As for the game. I think we win it. It'll be a lot closer than if we had Brady , though. I'd think Maroney/Morris gets about 30 carries and Cassel gets close to 250 yeards.

I know football number one.
Number two, the Patriots will NOT win if they keep on running it. They do not have a great running game.
Number 3, I think Cassel will do good but if the Pats do keep running I highly doubt he will get 250 yards. Favre didn't even reach 250 against Miami.

Hometeamrivals
09-11-2008, 12:29 AM
Metsfan you really can't get state your opinion because they get all upset. I agree with you though on Cassel. I remeber a few weeks ago they almost cut him.

ERLynx
09-11-2008, 09:46 AM
Was Randy Moss THIS good when he was a Raider? No. He didn't have that great of a quarterback. When he came to New England he got a top 3 quarterback that turned into the best in the league, stat wise. I know Cassel is good but no way in his first start will he be able to throw like Tom Brady. His timing won't be as good with Moss. He will be able to get the ball to Moss, but not on extreme plays when the throw must be perfect.

How can you say he can't complete extreme plays? Did you even see the highlights from last weeks game? He hit a 51 yard pass to moss on 3rd and 1 from the 1 yard line. On his first drive. That's not extreme? It doesn't give you credit for "knowing football" by making ambiguous statements like "his timing won't be as good with Moss" and being completely wrong.

And Hometeamrival, your opinion is one thing, but this is a thread about this game this week, and you bring up spygate, again, in an attempt to bait. We get it, ok? You're a frustrated Dolphins fan and you have nothing to be proud of. But seriously, come up with another point. You're not funny or poignant so just stop.

Do I think the Patriots are going to win this game? Honestly? No. I think it will be 20-17 Jets. I think Cassel throws for around 150 yds but turns the ball over and Maroney cant get through the holes because he dances too much, again, trying to do too much in the backfield. There, hows that for being a Boston homer?

BRADY4MVP
09-11-2008, 10:20 AM
It's my opinion, listen I'm a Dolphins fan and I enjoy hearing your opinions on the team.

i think with the 1st overall pick next year, you guys should convince pryor and the ncaa to let him out early from THE Ohio State University

The Intimidator
09-11-2008, 10:36 AM
I know football number one.
Number two, the Patriots will NOT win if they keep on running it. They do not have a great running game.
Number 3, I think Cassel will do good but if the Pats do keep running I highly doubt he will get 250 yards. Favre didn't even reach 250 against Miami.

You can claim that we don't have a good running game all you want. You know that we do.

BroadwayJoe
09-11-2008, 11:50 AM
what a game this is shaping up to be...

i don't think there's a clear-cut favorite on either side. you guys are still stacked and we're definitely an improved team. i think the key for us will be to get cassel on the ground early and often. if we let him get into a comfort zone in the pocket, it could be trouble all day. if we can pressure him, though, and force you guys to make errant throws/run more, we have a decent shot.

i'm very interested to see how favre and the O do against your D.

whatever happens, this is certain to only add another level of intrigue to one of the best rivalries in the nfl.

ps- i hate you guys :up:

ERLynx
09-11-2008, 11:56 AM
what a game this is shaping up to be...

i don't think there's a clear-cut favorite on either side. you guys are still stacked and we're definitely an improved team. i think the key for us will be to get cassel on the ground early and often. if we let him get into a comfort zone in the pocket, it could be trouble all day. if we can pressure him, though, and force you guys to make errant throws/run more, we have a decent shot.

i'm very interested to see how favre and the O do against your D.

whatever happens, this is certain to only add another level of intrigue to one of the best rivalries in the nfl.

ps- i hate you guys :up:

Good post. We don't hate you.

I think you raise some good points, but you're forgetting that Cassel is far more mobile than Brady and doesn't shy from trying to get yards with his legs. Whether this causes him to make some rash decisions, that's an argument in itself. I'm looking forward to seeing how he plays. Good luck all.

BroadwayJoe
09-11-2008, 12:18 PM
Good post. We don't hate you.

I think you raise some good points, but you're forgetting that Cassel is far more mobile than Brady and doesn't shy from trying to get yards with his legs. Whether this causes him to make some rash decisions, that's an argument in itself. I'm looking forward to seeing how he plays. Good luck all.

i'm hoping that if we can generate enough of a pass rush, he'll be too shell-shocked to get anything going, either on the ground or through the air. i really think this game will be decided between the trenches. then again... that goes for pretty much any football game.

i'm just scared outta my mind that cassel will make some errant throws and moss will just outrun and outjump everyone for it in the endzone... kind of like all of last year where he just abused secondaries.

Crickr
09-11-2008, 12:18 PM
what a game this is shaping up to be...

i don't think there's a clear-cut favorite on either side. you guys are still stacked and we're definitely an improved team. i think the key for us will be to get cassel on the ground early and often. if we let him get into a comfort zone in the pocket, it could be trouble all day. if we can pressure him, though, and force you guys to make errant throws/run more, we have a decent shot.

i'm very interested to see how favre and the O do against your D.

whatever happens, this is certain to only add another level of intrigue to one of the best rivalries in the nfl.

ps- i hate you guys :up:


Hey good luck to your team may the best one win ( pats I hope) and we really hate you to........:rolleyes:

BroadwayJoe
09-11-2008, 12:28 PM
what is the world coming to when there's civility between heated rivals?!?!

Crickr
09-11-2008, 01:53 PM
what is the world coming to when there's civility between heated rivals?!?!

Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I didn't mean for it to look that way lol

BroadwayJoe
09-11-2008, 02:34 PM
Gezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I didn't mean for it to look that way lol

haha, how about we just go back to calling each other cheaters and rats :p

side note: i went down to miami last weekend for the jets game. i've been to every jets-fins game down there for nearly a decade. it pains me to say that the hatred that used to run through that stadium is almost gone. sure, both teams' fans despise the other team, but there isn't nearly as much fighting or antagonizing as there used to be. all you get is some j-e-t-s suck suck suck chants and half a stadium full of opposing fans wearing green and white. it's truly pathetic. :D

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 03:38 PM
You can claim that we don't have a good running game all you want. You know that we do.

Trust me. I had Maroney last year in fantasy football. Third pick overall. HORRIBLE. Maroney is not good. Your other running back may be, but Maroney is not. Same goes for our running back, Thomas Jones. He seems better than last year, but he isn't that good.

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 03:41 PM
How can you say he can't complete extreme plays? Did you even see the highlights from last weeks game? He hit a 51 yard pass to moss on 3rd and 1 from the 1 yard line. On his first drive. That's not extreme? It doesn't give you credit for "knowing football" by making ambiguous statements like "his timing won't be as good with Moss" and being completely wrong.

And Hometeamrival, your opinion is one thing, but this is a thread about this game this week, and you bring up spygate, again, in an attempt to bait. We get it, ok? You're a frustrated Dolphins fan and you have nothing to be proud of. But seriously, come up with another point. You're not funny or poignant so just stop.

Do I think the Patriots are going to win this game? Honestly? No. I think it will be 20-17 Jets. I think Cassel throws for around 150 yds but turns the ball over and Maroney cant get through the holes because he dances too much, again, trying to do too much in the backfield. There, hows that for being a Boston homer?

1. Oh, so you think that Matt Cassel is just as good as Tom Brady and can get the ball to Randy Moss just as effectively as Brady did?

2. You are a homer on that first statement. And it isn't a given that the Jets will win. They'll probably lose and Cassel will probably throw 4 TD passes and 450 yards and become even better than Tom Brady. This is how we feel as Jet fans. But honestly, we feel good about or team and we know we have the TALENT to win. Let's just prove it.

The Intimidator
09-11-2008, 06:36 PM
Trust me. I had Maroney last year in fantasy football. Third pick overall. HORRIBLE. Maroney is not good. Your other running back may be, but Maroney is not. Same goes for our running back, Thomas Jones. He seems better than last year, but he isn't that good.

Maroney missed three games last season. He rushed for 835 yards on only 185 carries. If you do the math, that's 4.5 yards per carry. Last time I checked, that's damn good. You're just too stubborn to admit that. He had 6 rushing touchdowns, which was actually pretty impressive considering the patriots threw the ball the majority of the time. He also fumbled a grand total of 0 times last season, so clearly he takes great care of the ball. If he had played in all 16 games, he would have been on pace to rush for over 1,000 yards and 8 or 9 touchdowns. Yes, he sometimes dances too much, but he's not a power back. Like I said before, he averaged 4.5 yards per carry. That's very good. Do your homework before making dumb statements.

Celts22
09-11-2008, 07:59 PM
Trust me. I had Maroney last year in fantasy football. Third pick overall. HORRIBLE. Maroney is not good. Your other running back may be, but Maroney is not. Same goes for our running back, Thomas Jones. He seems better than last year, but he isn't that good.

You claim to know football but why the hell did you pick Maroney third overall?

ERLynx
09-11-2008, 08:26 PM
1. Oh, so you think that Matt Cassel is just as good as Tom Brady and can get the ball to Randy Moss just as effectively as Brady did?

2. You are a homer on that first statement. And it isn't a given that the Jets will win. They'll probably lose and Cassel will probably throw 4 TD passes and 450 yards and become even better than Tom Brady. This is how we feel as Jet fans. But honestly, we feel good about or team and we know we have the TALENT to win. Let's just prove it.

Dont bait me. I raised a point and you make accusations. Where did I say Cassel is just as good as Tom Brady. Did I say that? Please find where I said that. Thanks.

And every team in the NFL has the TALENT to win every week. It's about game plans and executions. The giants werent necessarily more talented than the pats in the superbowl, they just executed better and they deserved to win.

If you want to establish yourself as a credible poster who knows football, it doesn't help to get defensive and call names.

Best of luck to your team.

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 09:05 PM
You claim to know football but why the hell did you pick Maroney third overall?

I meant third round. Sorry.

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 09:09 PM
Dont bait me. I raised a point and you make accusations. Where did I say Cassel is just as good as Tom Brady. Did I say that? Please find where I said that. Thanks.

And every team in the NFL has the TALENT to win every week. It's about game plans and executions. The giants werent necessarily more talented than the pats in the superbowl, they just executed better and they deserved to win.

If you want to establish yourself as a credible poster who knows football, it doesn't help to get defensive and call names.

Best of luck to your team.

Don't bait me. I raised a point and you make accusations. Where did I call you a name. Did I do that? Please find where I said that. Thanks.

And I never said Pats didn't have a chance to win. Obviously they do. But Cassel is NOT as good as Brady. He can't get it to Moss as good as Brady can. Patriots traded a 4TH rounder to get Moss because he wasn't to good without a great QB. He is unbelievable now. I am not saying that Cassel sucks. All I am saying is that Cassel isn't as good as Brady. Do you agree? If you do just say yes and move on. If you say no I'd like to hear why.

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 09:11 PM
Maroney missed three games last season. He rushed for 835 yards on only 185 carries. If you do the math, that's 4.5 yards per carry. Last time I checked, that's damn good. You're just too stubborn to admit that. He had 6 rushing touchdowns, which was actually pretty impressive considering the patriots threw the ball the majority of the time. He also fumbled a grand total of 0 times last season, so clearly he takes great care of the ball. If he had played in all 16 games, he would have been on pace to rush for over 1,000 yards and 8 or 9 touchdowns. Yes, he sometimes dances too much, but he's not a power back. Like I said before, he averaged 4.5 yards per carry. That's very good. Do your homework before making dumb statements.

Either way. Pats are not gonna win running the ball. The majority of the time the Pats threw the ball is because that's their strengh. Not running. I am not stuborn. I just don't think Maroney is good. If I was stubborn I wouldn't be saying that Thomas Jones, the Jets running back, isn't too good either.

cocossox
09-11-2008, 09:24 PM
imo this is a very winable game.

The Intimidator
09-11-2008, 09:58 PM
Either way. Pats are not gonna win running the ball. The majority of the time the Pats threw the ball is because that's their strengh. Not running. I am not stuborn. I just don't think Maroney is good. If I was stubborn I wouldn't be saying that Thomas Jones, the Jets running back, isn't too good either.

I just gave you statistical evidence that showed you that Maroney is good, so yes, by continuing to say that Maroney is bad, you ARE being stubborn. Now with that being said, I'm not gonna sit here and say that Maroney is going to rush for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns. I'm just saying that when the guy touches the ball, he is capable of making big plays. And now that I realize it, you haven't provided us with any evidence as to why the Pats can't win by running the ball. So, why can't they win running the ball? Is the Jets' run D that good? Please, enlighten me.

MetsFan28
09-11-2008, 10:26 PM
We'll see on Sunday. If the Pats run all game which I highly doubt, they'll lose. If they pass mostly, it'll be close.

The Intimidator
09-11-2008, 10:33 PM
We'll see on Sunday. If the Pats run all game which I highly doubt, they'll lose. If they pass mostly, it'll be close.

It's gonna be more half and half I think. I just don't know why you think the Pats can't run on the Jets. You refuse to let me in on your reason.

sportpro70
09-11-2008, 11:13 PM
It's gonna be more half and half I think. I just don't know why you think the Pats can't run on the Jets. You refuse to let me in on your reason.

I think that the Patriots will try to run the ball, to keep the amount of big plays Cassel has to make on his own scarce. Whether or not they'll be able to run the ball remains to be seen, im not saying they can't. I just think the Jets run defense is much improved and its going to be a hard fought game in the trenches.

MetsFan28
09-12-2008, 12:36 AM
It's gonna be more half and half I think. I just don't know why you think the Pats can't run on the Jets. You refuse to let me in on your reason.

I don't see the Pats running game as good against anyone. Especially the Jets because their run defense has improved since last season.

JerseyBrave
09-12-2008, 02:49 AM
maroney showed his talent in the playoffs last year he got us to the superbowl, not brady and moss. We would have lost to the jaguars and the chargers if it wasnt for maroney being unstoppable in those games, more so the chargers game. when given the ball consistently he can make things happen.

ERLynx
09-12-2008, 09:11 AM
maroney showed his talent in the playoffs last year he got us to the superbowl, not brady and moss. We would have lost to the jaguars and the chargers if it wasnt for maroney being unstoppable in those games, more so the chargers game. when given the ball consistently he can make things happen.

Agreed.

I think he is a good player but he dances too much in the backfield. Still. If he hits the hole hard, he can get 4+ per carry.

ERLynx
09-12-2008, 09:46 AM
[QUOTE=MetsFan28;6602984]Don't bait me. I raised a point and you make accusations. Where did I call you a name. Did I do that? Please find where I said that. Thanks.

3 posts ago:

2. You are a homer on that first statement.

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 10:57 AM
maroney showed his talent in the playoffs last year he got us to the superbowl, not brady and moss. We would have lost to the jaguars and the chargers if it wasnt for maroney being unstoppable in those games, more so the chargers game. when given the ball consistently he can make things happen.

Yeah man, very true. He was money in the playoffs. He ran for 122 yards in the jaguars game and then again in the chargers game. He has the ability to run rampant on any team any week.

JetInPhilly
09-12-2008, 06:50 PM
Hey guys...Just for the record, I wanted to jump in here and wish you the best of luck on Sunday. Anyone who's read my posts knows, to me, its a damn good rivalry and the loser just buys the beer.

On a side note, it's a damn shame what happened to Brady. Yes, I have wished for him to get hurt in the past...but that was for a broken finger or a pulled hammy...nothing like this (just enough to keep him out against the Jets). He's one of the best to ever play the game and I hope he bounces back. Honestly, that type of injury just sux on every level.

Sunday - 4:15 JetInPhilly out!

MetsFan28
09-12-2008, 07:25 PM
I'm so excited for this you can't uderstand. I'll be there.

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 07:30 PM
good seats?

MetsFan28
09-12-2008, 09:01 PM
Yea. I think tomorrow I'm sitting first row upper deck. You can see everything and no one is in front of you.

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 09:04 PM
You mean Sunday?

jetsfan89
09-12-2008, 09:17 PM
Metsfan if they don't double up on Randy then it will be a looooooong day for the Jets


Last year Randy Moss had his day with the Jets secondary in Week 1, but Revis was not starting yet because of his training camp holdout. In Week 15 when the Jets played up in Foxboro, Revis held Moss to 5 catches for 79 yards and zero touchdowns.

now dont get me wrong. i think the jets are still gonna have to double team him majority of the time. but because revis is a really good CB imo, they wont neccessarily have to use rhodes on the double team all the time freeing him up to help out Lowery on Welker who imo will be the deciding factor whether or not the pats win or not.

jetsfan28
09-12-2008, 09:20 PM
Metsfan if they don't double up on Randy then it will be a looooooong day for the Jets

Why? They didn't last year, and Revis shut him down in the 2nd game, his only big catch was when Revis wasn't covering him. And no offense to Cassel, but that was with Tom Brady, and Cassel is not quite Tom Brady.

That being said, Welker could have a HUGE game Sunday

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 09:24 PM
He very well could. He's very shifty (if that's a word) and if Moss and Gaffney are covered, Cassel will check off and throw to Welker in the slot, or to whatever running back we have in there at the time. The guy didn't catch 112 passes last year for nothing.

jetsfan28
09-12-2008, 09:26 PM
He very well could. He's very shifty (if that's a word) and if Moss and Gaffney are covered, Cassel will check off and throw to Welker in the slot, or to whatever running back we have in there at the time. The guy didn't catch 112 passes last year for nothing.

Yep, and the Jets are pretty weak in the slot. For some strange reason, they cut Poteat (I guess they wanted to keep the young guys), meaning they don't have him for the slot, and unless Justin Miller is healthy enough to start, Lowery can't play in the slot all game. I have a feeling the Jets will regret cutting Poteat Sunday.

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 09:30 PM
Yep, and the Jets are pretty weak in the slot. For some strange reason, they cut Poteat (I guess they wanted to keep the young guys), meaning they don't have him for the slot, and unless Justin Miller is healthy enough to start, Lowery can't play in the slot all game. I have a feeling the Jets will regret cutting Poteat Sunday.

I honestly thought that the Jets signed Poteat because he was with the Pats when Mangini was there...I guess I was wrong.

jetsfan89
09-12-2008, 09:44 PM
nah poteat was very good for us.

The Intimidator
09-12-2008, 11:53 PM
Well, I've been wrong many times before.

BTownTeamsRKing
09-13-2008, 09:09 AM
Why? They didn't last year, and Revis shut him down in the 2nd game, his only big catch was when Revis wasn't covering him. And no offense to Cassel, but that was with Tom Brady, and Cassel is not quite Tom Brady.

That being said, Welker could have a HUGE game Sunday

there was heavy winds and rain during that game. it was just about impossible to throw anything.

i think ppl r forgetting our defense is healthy and A LOT better than last year.

jetsfan28
09-13-2008, 09:23 AM
there was heavy winds and rain during that game. it was just about impossible to throw anything.

i think ppl r forgetting our defense is healthy and A LOT better than last year.

OK, he shut him down when he covered him the first game too. And yeah, there were heavy winds and rain, but I'd rather have heavy winds + rain + Tom Brady than the projected 15 mile per hour winds + possible scattered T-Storms + Matt Cassel. And no, it didn't get much better, because the #2 CB got much, much worse, it got slightly better at best.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 10:26 AM
OK, he shut him down when he covered him the first game too. And yeah, there were heavy winds and rain, but I'd rather have heavy winds + rain + Tom Brady than the projected 15 mile per hour winds + possible scattered T-Storms + Matt Cassel. And no, it didn't get much better, because the #2 CB got much, much worse, it got slightly better at best.

I don't think that anybody shut down Moss in that first game, at least not for the majority of it. As for the second game, yes Revis did a good job on Moss. He didn't allow him into the endzone. Whether or not that has any bearing on this game still remains to be seen, however. Secondly, I think that you're underestimating the Patriots defense a bit. Yes, they lost Asante, but like I said in the Jets thread, Samuel actually had more touchdowns thrown against him than Hobbs did last year. And I know I have said this countless times, but the Pats really like Wheatley. They go down a notch by losing Samuel, but the overall defense is better than last year's, when it was ranked 4th in the NFL. Seymour is fully healthy for the first time in almost 2 years, and of course we got younger and faster at LB. All that being said, it's going to be a great game, win or lose.

jetsfan28
09-13-2008, 10:56 AM
I don't think that anybody shut down Moss in that first game, at least not for the majority of it. As for the second game, yes Revis did a good job on Moss. He didn't allow him into the endzone. Whether or not that has any bearing on this game still remains to be seen, however.
In the first game, Moss didn't do much when Revis covered him. In the 2nd game, Moss only had 4 receptions for 33 yards, covering him over 90% of the time.

Secondly, I think that you're underestimating the Patriots defense a bit. Yes, they lost Asante, but like I said in the Jets thread, Samuel actually had more touchdowns thrown against him than Hobbs did last year.
I'm pretty sure he was also thrown on more, not positive though.

And I know I have said this countless times, but the Pats really like Wheatley. They go down a notch by losing Samuel, but the overall defense is better than last year's, when it was ranked 4th in the NFL. Seymour is fully healthy for the first time in almost 2 years, and of course we got younger and faster at LB. All that being said, it's going to be a great game, win or lose.

Seymour has been healthy before and gotten hurt, the guy does get hurt too much. And I realize the Pats have a top 5 defense in the NFL. That being said, Samuel to Wheatley and Gay to Sanders/O'Neal are both significant downgrades, and if the Pats defense did get better, it was slightly, they may not have improved at all, that remains to be seen.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 12:52 PM
In the first game, Moss didn't do much when Revis covered him. In the 2nd game, Moss only had 4 receptions for 33 yards, covering him over 90% of the time.

Right, I said that Revis did a good job on him, although Moss had 5 receptions for 87 yards, not 4 for 33 yards. What I was trying to say is that even really good corners, which Revis appears to be, can be burned every now and then. Moss may get by Revis all day tomorrow, or Revis may shut Moss down almost entirely. The events of the past game are telling, but they don't necessarily mean that the same results will happen tomorrow. Moss is a veteran receiver, and could find a way to get open on a consistent basis. Whether or not Cassel gets the ball to him is another story.


Seymour has been healthy before and gotten hurt, the guy does get hurt too much. And I realize the Pats have a top 5 defense in the NFL. That being said, Samuel to Wheatley and Gay to Sanders/O'Neal are both significant downgrades, and if the Pats defense did get better, it was slightly, they may not have improved at all, that remains to be seen.

My point here was that Seymour wasn't at his best the last few times we played the Jets. In fact, I don't think he played in the first Jets game last year. Basically, he's going to be a force in the middle, and if he isn't doubled he can get to Favre. If he is doubled, that opens the door for either Wilfork or Warren to get to Favre. Also, Randall Gay was not a starter last year, he was used mostly in sub-packages. He was a decent DB for us, but he was only our 3rd or 4th best corner. I don't think we lose that much there, as Lewis Sanders and Deltha O'Neal are both intelligent veterans. Could they be a bit slower? Maybe. But it isn't the significant downgrade that you're making it out to be.

TheRedMarauder
09-13-2008, 02:10 PM
Ben Watson (knee) is listed as questionable for Week 2.

This is promising, but Watson's status for Sunday is up in the air. He'll likely be worked out in pre-game before it's decided whether he'll play.

rotoworld

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 02:15 PM
Ben Watson (knee) is listed as questionable for Week 2.

This is promising, but Watson's status for Sunday is up in the air. He'll likely be worked out in pre-game before it's decided whether he'll play.

rotoworld

Thanks for the update. Watson is damaged goods, IMO. It's too bad, because he really had his moments. Guess it doesn't matter if you can't stay on the field.

jetsfan28
09-13-2008, 03:28 PM
Right, I said that Revis did a good job on him, although Moss had 5 receptions for 87 yards, not 4 for 33 yards.
No, he had 4 for 33 on Revis, which is what I said. Moss made his big catch on one of the very few plays Revis didn't cover him, you can be sure they won't make the mistake of having Revis ever not cover him again.

What I was trying to say is that even really good corners, which Revis appears to be, can be burned every now and then. Moss may get by Revis all day tomorrow, or Revis may shut Moss down almost entirely. The events of the past game are telling, but they don't necessarily mean that the same results will happen tomorrow. Moss is a veteran receiver, and could find a way to get open on a consistent basis. Whether or not Cassel gets the ball to him is another story.

Simply put, I'll believe Revis could get burned when he gets burned. It didn't happen all of last year though in any big spots.


My point here was that Seymour wasn't at his best the last few times we played the Jets. In fact, I don't think he played in the first Jets game last year. Basically, he's going to be a force in the middle, and if he isn't doubled he can get to Favre. If he is doubled, that opens the door for either Wilfork or Warren to get to Favre. Also, Randall Gay was not a starter last year, he was used mostly in sub-packages. He was a decent DB for us, but he was only our 3rd or 4th best corner. I don't think we lose that much there, as Lewis Sanders and Deltha O'Neal are both intelligent veterans. Could they be a bit slower? Maybe. But it isn't the significant downgrade that you're making it out to be.

It's enough of a downgrade that, when combined with a downgrade at corner from Samuel to Wheatley (or Samuel to Hobbs and Hobbs to Wheatly, however you want to look at it), it's significant.

And the Jets didn't always double Wilfork last year on passing downs, as they were blitzed a lot and Jarvis Green played well, I don't think Wilfork will really have any bigger of a game than he usually does, it will be the usual chess match between the lines. Jarvis Green is a damn good player, it's not like the Pats had Mike Wright starting in his place last year, you can't say the differences at CB and NB won't mean much but the difference at DE means everything.

fins08
09-13-2008, 03:44 PM
I can't believe I am saying this, go Pats. I hate the Jets more this year.

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 03:52 PM
I can't believe I am saying this, go Pats. I hate the Jets more this year.

:laugh:

The Intimidator
09-13-2008, 04:03 PM
No, he had 4 for 33 on Revis, which is what I said. Moss made his big catch on one of the very few plays Revis didn't cover him, you can be sure they won't make the mistake of having Revis ever not cover him again.

Oh okay, I didn't realize that Revis was out on that play. Good call.


And the Jets didn't always double Wilfork last year on passing downs, as they were blitzed a lot and Jarvis Green played well, I don't think Wilfork will really have any bigger of a game than he usually does, it will be the usual chess match between the lines.

I know that they didn't double Wilfork last year, I was saying that a healthy Seymour might force the Jets to double someone, whether it be Wilfork, Warren, Green, or Seymour himself. I have watched the Pats long enough to know this: Seymour is the straw that stirs the drink when it comes to the Pats' D. When he's at his best, the line plays better. When the line plays better, the opposing quarterback is forced to rush his throws, taking some pressure off the secondary.

TheRedMarauder
09-14-2008, 10:18 AM
Patriots signed Matt Gutierrez to their active roster.

It's quite possible that Gutierrez, not rookie Kevin O'Connell, would get the call Sunday if Matt Cassel gets hurt.


Patriots downgraded TE Ben Watson, LB Eric Alexander, and WR Sam Aiken to out for Week 2.

David Thomas will get plenty of snaps at tight end, and the Patriots are likely to use Kelley Washington and Jabar Gaffney plenty in three wideout sets.

rotoworld

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 11:18 AM
Thanks Red. Man, Kelley Washington is gonna be seeing more time at WR in 2 games than he did all of last season for us. :D

Crickr
09-14-2008, 01:27 PM
I like Washington getting some time on the fielg lets see if he does something good with it.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 02:53 PM
I like Washington getting some time on the fiels lets see ifhe does something good with it.

Well even if he doesn't, he's been outstanding on special teams.

jetsfan28
09-14-2008, 03:28 PM
Inactives


Patriots at Jets
TE Benjamin Watson, CB Terrence Wheatley, OLB Shawn Crable, OT Wesley Britt, C/G Dan Connolly, WR Sam Aiken, LB Eric Alexander, QB Matt Gutierrez.
K Mike Nugent, QB Brett Ratliff, WR David Clowney, QB Erik Ainge, CB Justin Miller, OL Robert Turner, DE Kareem Brown, WR Marcus Henry.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3587064

jetsfan28
09-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Looks like they don't love Wheatley THAT much.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:14 PM
He must be dinged up.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:26 PM
Okay, only a field goal.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:26 PM
He Missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:29 PM
There we go Faulk!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:30 PM
Yeah Welker!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:32 PM
We're moving the ball...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:35 PM
Hahaha Jets already burned two timeouts

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:37 PM
Damn, they knew the run was coming. Well, it's 3-0 Pats.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:40 PM
That's two huge kickoffs for Gostkowski...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:44 PM
Yeah three and out!!! Nice drop Coles!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:45 PM
Cassel looks good so far...another first down!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:47 PM
Great first quarter...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:50 PM
What a catch!!!!!!!

the Knickerbock
09-14-2008, 04:53 PM
Great first quarter...

the funny part is...its only 3-0

Crickr
09-14-2008, 04:55 PM
Time for Gostkowski its a flag and the play stands 3 points

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:55 PM
Well, we're moving the ball but they're clamping up on us in the red zone. It should be 14-0, but it's only 6-0. Oh well.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:56 PM
the funny part is...its only 3-0

Doesn't matter, the Jets aren't on the scoreboard yet.

Crickr
09-14-2008, 04:56 PM
Better then being 0 to 6

Crickr
09-14-2008, 04:57 PM
another bomb by Gos

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 04:57 PM
Another huge kickoff for Gostkowski

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:00 PM
Damnit!!!!!!!!!

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:02 PM
Pats D is looking ok today so far

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:02 PM
shouldn't have said it so quick

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:03 PM
That was terrible D...alright, let's regroup now.

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:03 PM
Woods is down he is needed in there hope it is not to bad

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:06 PM
stuffed him good D

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:06 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Sey 93!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:07 PM
That's a huge win for us, momentum is still on our side. They couldn't punch it in from the 2.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:10 PM
What the hell was that?

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:10 PM
Facemask hahahahaha!

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Matt Cassel's playing good so far but, when you get the ball on 1st and goal two times you gotta come away with at least 1 TD. Hopefully he can put one into the end zone before the half.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:13 PM
They should have gone for it.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:14 PM
No more timeouts for the Jets...

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:15 PM
He has to get better in the red zone is right all the team does. But so far its a good game for him

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:15 PM
It was less than a yard. They should have definitely went for it.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:16 PM
Belichick playing mind games...:rolleyes:

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:17 PM
Leon Washington SUCKS!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:18 PM
hahahahaha the Jets don't know what to do

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:19 PM
yes but they are getting good feild position with this punt just a 28 yarder by the jets

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Terrible punt, great field position for the Pats.

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:20 PM
Cassel is limping

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:20 PM
Cassel took a big hit there...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:21 PM
What the hell are we doing out there?

the Knickerbock
09-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Doesn't matter, the Jets aren't on the scoreboard yet.

3-6

down by three

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:22 PM
Cassel hasn't gotten the ball to Moss once this half...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:23 PM
3-6

down by three

Yeah they weren't on the scoreboard when I wrote that though.

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:24 PM
I think the Pats need to bring in a veteran QB for a workout tomorrow. Cassel just doesn't have it. The Chiefs and Jets both are bad teams and he's struggled with both of em. IDK

Crickr
09-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Maroney is hurt damm it

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:24 PM
Sloppy first half for both teams...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:25 PM
I think the Pats need to bring in a veteran QB for a workout tomorrow. Cassel just doesn't have it. The Chiefs and Jets both are bad teams and he's struggled with both of em. IDK

Calm down, they're winning.

moneyball
09-14-2008, 05:25 PM
Maroney hurt again, winner of J. D. drew award.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Sack!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Sey 93!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Maroney hurt again, winner of J. D. drew award.

:laugh:

onlythisfar41
09-14-2008, 05:28 PM
I think the Pats need to bring in a veteran QB for a workout tomorrow. Cassel just doesn't have it. The Chiefs and Jets both are bad teams and he's struggled with both of em. IDK

are you really grouping the jets with chiefs, like really?

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:28 PM
Alright, 6-3 Pats at the half.

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:30 PM
Believe me I'd love to see Matt Cassel succeed but, I just don't see the talent. It's time to try and get Garcia from the Bucs or bring in Rattay or someone. We should be killing this team even without Brady. We have so many weapons and we score 2 FG's in the 1st half. Not good. Maybe he'll get into a rhythm in the 2nd half but, if we lose we seriously need somebody else to run this high octane offense.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:33 PM
Believe me I'd love to see Matt Cassel succeed but, I just don't see the talent. It's time to try and get Garcia from the Bucs or bring in Rattay or someone. We should be killing this team even without Brady. We have so many weapons and we score 2 FG's in the 1st half. Not good. Maybe he'll get into a rhythm in the 2nd half but, if we lose we seriously need somebody else to run this high octane offense.

Well, it wouldn't hurt to look at Garcia, but Rattay blows.

But the point of the first half is that our D was fantastic.

the Knickerbock
09-14-2008, 05:37 PM
Yeah they weren't on the scoreboard when I wrote that though.

yea ik but it sounded like you thought you were going to shut us out!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:38 PM
No I'm not that naive, but there is no question that our D had Favre looking skittish.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Alright, we're starting with the ball, now let's make a statement.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:43 PM
We can't run the ball right now...

jetsfan28
09-14-2008, 05:45 PM
I think the Pats need to bring in a veteran QB for a workout tomorrow. Cassel just doesn't have it. The Chiefs and Jets both are bad teams and he's struggled with both of em. IDK

Care to explain how the Jets defense is bad?



Wilfork, Seymour, and Warren look strong, as do Mayo and Bruschi so far. This should go down to the wire.

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:46 PM
Well, it wouldn't hurt to look at Garcia, but Rattay blows.

But the point of the first half is that our D was fantastic.

Yeah but we're not going to win this game with just defense and now that Cassel got hit a few times he looks bad.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:46 PM
What the hell?

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:48 PM
Care to explain how the Jets defense is bad?



Wilfork, Seymour, and Warren look strong, as do Mayo and Bruschi so far. This should go down to the wire.

See, I told you about Seymour...:D

moneyball
09-14-2008, 05:49 PM
Getting pretty sick of our pro bowl O line, who can't open holes or pass block.

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 05:49 PM
Obviously I knew Cassel is no Tom Brady but, he reminds me of Drew Bledsoe. He does fine until somebody hits him and then he gets completely out of rhythm. That's no good.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:49 PM
Holding on the Jets!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:51 PM
Another penalty on the Jets!!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:53 PM
damn it.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:53 PM
Offensive pass interference!!!!!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Cotchery was molesting O'Neal

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:55 PM
Interception!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:56 PM
Our O-Line is really weak right now.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:57 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:58 PM
Come on we need to punch this one in...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 05:59 PM
Come on we're on the goal line!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:00 PM
Touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 06:02 PM
That's all Cassel has to do to be successful. Screens, draws, and scramble a bit. We can compete with anyone as long as we keep it simple.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:03 PM
That's all Cassel has to do to be successful. Screens, draws, and scramble a bit. We can compete with anyone as long as we keep it simple.

Aren't you the same guy who said that he couldn't get it done?

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:03 PM
Another touchback.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:05 PM
Jets have as many dropped passes as they do points...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:07 PM
Yes!!! Another 3 and out!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:07 PM
Great punt return by Faulk...

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:11 PM
Way to go LaMont...punish your old team!!!

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:11 PM
Jordan looking good

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Lamont s running hard

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:13 PM
LaMont should be our starter the way he's running right now...

moneyball
09-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Maroney can stay out...........better watching a runner than a dancer

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:14 PM
field goal..............16-3

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:15 PM
Maroney can stay out...........better watching a runner than a dancer

He does seem to still try to dance to much IMO

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:16 PM
Another bomb by Gos he is kicking today

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:17 PM
16-3 now after 3 quarters!!!!!!!!!!

moneyball
09-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Another bomb by Gos he is kicking todayterrific job..........star of the game to date

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:20 PM
Wow, it took 5 possessions for the Jets to get a first down.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:21 PM
terrific job..........star of the game to date

Bingo.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:23 PM
We need to adjust...they're starting to move the ball.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:25 PM
We need another goal line stand!!!

moneyball
09-14-2008, 06:25 PM
cassell gotta put a drive together

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:27 PM
****!!!!!!!

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:28 PM
We need a 5 or 6 minute drive, and more importantly, we need it to end in at least a field goal. That way there's no way the Jets can take the lead in one possession.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:31 PM
Moss!!!!!!

BeAn 5 ToWnE
09-14-2008, 06:31 PM
Cassel should use Moss more. He only has 2 catches today.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:31 PM
wtf?

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:32 PM
Cassel should use Moss more. He only has 2 catches today.

He's been well-covered all day.

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:34 PM
Damn it Moss.......

BeAn 5 ToWnE
09-14-2008, 06:34 PM
Ugh, Moss.

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:35 PM
bad throw but.................

BeAn 5 ToWnE
09-14-2008, 06:36 PM
Throw was good enough to be caught though. :shrug:

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:36 PM
A bit behind him, but he should have caught it. That would have been the dagger, no doubt about it.

cmoneytakemoney
09-14-2008, 06:37 PM
We Need A 1st Down.

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:37 PM
yes he should have caught it

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:37 PM
We Need A 1st Down.

Need a TD

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:38 PM
Yes!!! And roughing the passer!!!!!

Crickr
09-14-2008, 06:38 PM
roughing the QB

The Intimidator
09-14-2008, 06:39 PM
We just have to keep killing the clock, and get at least a field goal...

Crickr
09-14-2008, 08:32 PM
well the site crashed but the Pats won

BTownTeamsRKing
09-14-2008, 09:04 PM
good win today. saw things i liked and didnt like.

the good: DE-FENSE!!!!, Welker, Jordan, and...KEVIN FAULK!

the bad: the o-line was BAD. Maroney and Morris (but that had a lot to do with the o-line)

the ?: Cassel - we didnt get to see much from him bc of the line and lack of running game.

overall its still fun beating the jets! on to miami

o yea, the UGLY: favre - threw the game to meriweather, and mangina; well he is just a ****** who can't beat NE even without Brady.

NYMETS6986
09-14-2008, 09:08 PM
solid victory today, i would like to see some more scores actually in the endzone next week in miami, i cant wait to listen to the ny radio shows tomorrow too see what all the overconfident jets fans say this week....

BTownTeamsRKing
09-14-2008, 11:29 PM
key to victory is...dont be the vikings. meaning TDs! not FGs!

every time we get into the redzone, punch it in. thats the difference in winning and losing.

DieHardColtsfan
09-15-2008, 12:06 AM
huge win fellas.

JerseyBrave
09-15-2008, 02:28 AM
Things I noticed:

Use Lamont consistently, he helped us hold off the jets in the second half, by getting first downs and averaging 5 yards a rush

O-line needs to protect better, if cassel was a little more comfortable back there this game could have been a blow out. the pass rush got in cassels face to much, especially that deep throw to moss, he throw off balance which is why it was short.

Overall big win, but we need to improve.

Cassel first start was almost identical to brady first start, something to think about. cassel just needs more confidence.

moneyball
09-15-2008, 04:59 AM
Nice win but Jets still suck...........hope we can handle a real team!

Crickr
09-15-2008, 07:55 AM
Nice win but Jets still suck...........hope we can handle a real team!

He did ok not turning the ball over and moved it down field. He didn't have much help from the O line they let the jets get in his face all day. He will be ok I think the O line needs to get their s**t together so that bioth Cassel and the RB's some room to do their thing

BTownTeamsRKing
09-15-2008, 09:54 AM
Lamont Jordan is our feature back for as long as this o-line continues to completely suck. however in their defense, did anyone else notice that Cassel does not drop back far enough, which makes it tough on the o-line?

could be somethin to look for.

but i still cant get over.....Matt Cassel beat brett favre!!! all this BS espn talk of 24/7 favre favre favre and he plays like this! Haaaa i wonder if he regrets comming out of retirement.

JetInPhilly
09-15-2008, 11:32 AM
solid victory today, i would like to see some more scores actually in the endzone next week in miami, i cant wait to listen to the ny radio shows tomorrow too see what all the overconfident jets fans say this week....

Most of them will find an excuse for the loss but the bottom line is this:

1. Cassel did not make many mistakes and controlled the offense.
2. The defense kept the Jets in check (Remember, even without Brady, the D is still the D).
3. Mangini...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! Why is he not letting Favre throw the ball?
4. The better team won...bottom line. It was ugly but it was everything that I thought it would be...a streetfight.

Good win for your team (looks like I get to buy the beer again :)) and next week should be a walk in the park. For us on the other hand...I think San Diego's gonna be a little pissed off so to be realistic, I don't see a win here.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 01:55 PM
Most of them will find an excuse for the loss but the bottom line is this:

1. Cassel did not make many mistakes and controlled the offense.
2. The defense kept the Jets in check (Remember, even without Brady, the D is still the D).
3. Mangini...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! Why is he not letting Favre throw the ball?
4. The better team won...bottom line. It was ugly but it was everything that I thought it would be...a streetfight.

Good win for your team (looks like I get to buy the beer again :)) and next week should be a walk in the park. For us on the other hand...I think San Diego's gonna be a little pissed off so to be realistic, I don't see a win here.

Yeah, the San Diego game will be a tough one. I mean, they lost two games in the last seconds. If not for a fluke pass from Delhomme in week 1 and a missed call by the official yesterday, the Chargers are 2-0.

NYMETS6986
09-15-2008, 02:57 PM
Most of them will find an excuse for the loss but the bottom line is this:

1. Cassel did not make many mistakes and controlled the offense.
2. The defense kept the Jets in check (Remember, even without Brady, the D is still the D).
3. Mangini...COME ON!!!!!!!!!!! Why is he not letting Favre throw the ball?
4. The better team won...bottom line. It was ugly but it was everything that I thought it would be...a streetfight.

Good win for your team (looks like I get to buy the beer again :)) and next week should be a walk in the park. For us on the other hand...I think San Diego's gonna be a little pissed off so to be realistic, I don't see a win here.


wow, 660 wfan is ripping the jets apart LMAO!!

SidTheKid
09-15-2008, 03:11 PM
wow, 660 wfan is ripping the jets apart LMAO!!

Hopefully not so much certain players but the play calling.

JetInPhilly
09-15-2008, 04:12 PM
wow, 660 wfan is ripping the jets apart LMAO!!

You know what kills me? Why go get Brett (HOF Bound) Favre and still run the Chad Pennington offense? I have no idea what they're doing but it seems like Schotty took a page out of his father's book and is playing "MartyBall". This is not going to work for the Jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Favre's the QB...throw the ball. Period!!!!! The run should be used to set up the pass and let Brett be Brett. Staight up, the Pats were the better team yesterday. If the play calling doesn't change, I fear that the Jets will not make the playoffs. We have the tools, now take off the handcuffs.

Honestly, to hold the Pats to only 19 points (regardless of who the QB was) was a hell of a job by the defense. The offense needs to be let loose to do what they were built (or bought) to do...damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice job yesterday guys...nice job.

BTownTeamsRKing
09-15-2008, 04:30 PM
You know what kills me? Why go get Brett (HOF Bound) Favre and still run the Chad Pennington offense? I have no idea what they're doing but it seems like Schotty took a page out of his father's book and is playing "MartyBall". This is not going to work for the Jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Favre's the QB...throw the ball. Period!!!!! The run should be used to set up the pass and let Brett be Brett. Staight up, the Pats were the better team yesterday. If the play calling doesn't change, I fear that the Jets will not make the playoffs. We have the tools, now take off the handcuffs.

Honestly, to hold the Pats to only 19 points (regardless of who the QB was) was a hell of a job by the defense. The offense needs to be let loose to do what they were built (or bought) to do...damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice job yesterday guys...nice job.

bc of the interception to meriweather and wat would have been a near int to O'neal had cotchery not interfered. if airs it out, he is playing into BB's hands.

good game rival. good luck in SD.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 05:33 PM
bc of the interception to meriweather and wat would have been a near int to O'neal had cotchery not interfered. if airs it out, he is playing into BB's hands.

good game rival. good luck in SD.

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. If Favre had thrown more, he would have been playing right into Belichick's hands, and I think that Mangini knew that to a degree. If Favre had been allowed to "air it out", we would have been picking him off all day long.

JetInPhilly
09-15-2008, 06:13 PM
Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. If Favre had thrown more, he would have been playing right into Belichick's hands, and I think that Mangini knew that to a degree. If Favre had been allowed to "air it out", we would have been picking him off all day long.

But if you use the run to set up the pass...it helps. Why stay with an offense that hasn't worked in years? Gotta take a chance sometime.

The Intimidator
09-15-2008, 06:23 PM
I hear you. But against a Bill Belichick defense?

JetInPhilly
09-16-2008, 12:18 PM
I hear you. But against a Bill Belichick defense?

Yes...and I'll tell you why. BB knows Mangini and knows that Mangini's afraid of him and the Pats. Let's call it like it is, if Mangini wasn't afraid...he'd have been more aggressive. Playing NOT to lose the game won't WIN a game either. Belichick doesn't expect Mangini to be aggressive so it might have worked. Here's the scenario:

Coles
Cotchery
Stuckey
Keller
Washington

Somebody's getting open in space and I'm sure Favre could've hit them as long as the line held up. These 2-3 yard run plays...when yardage is needed...will not work and have never worked. BALLZ is what the Green & White need my friends...BALLZ. They have the tools and the talent but as long as the coach refuses to take off the handcuffs...we're gonna see the same story. I really hope Favre can be Favre against San Diego.

Patsfan56
09-17-2008, 01:24 AM
Yes...and I'll tell you why. BB knows Mangini and knows that Mangini's afraid of him and the Pats. Let's call it like it is, if Mangini wasn't afraid...he'd have been more aggressive. Playing NOT to lose the game won't WIN a game either. Belichick doesn't expect Mangini to be aggressive so it might have worked. Here's the scenario:

Coles
Cotchery
Stuckey
Keller
Washington

Somebody's getting open in space and I'm sure Favre could've hit them as long as the line held up. These 2-3 yard run plays...when yardage is needed...will not work and have never worked. BALLZ is what the Green & White need my friends...BALLZ. They have the tools and the talent but as long as the coach refuses to take off the handcuffs...we're gonna see the same story. I really hope Favre can be Favre against San Diego.

I am rooting for the Jets over SD. Good luck! Bring the BALLZ!!!:clap::clap: