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hrf821
09-09-2008, 08:19 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/09/09/20080909sunsamare0910.html

Dude - this article gave me chills.

Is he really shooting 71%? From where?

Can he play the defense he claims to be learning. He he as excited about it as he seems?

Was his lazyness on defense a reflection of a coachs lack of defensive principals and mentality?

Is October 29th or even Oct 5th every going to get here?

What do you all think.

KiNgSuNs1
09-09-2008, 08:33 PM
amare is going to be a monster this season.exspect him to make some 3 pointers to yup yup cuz the last couple of years he has been working on it and i see it prevailing this year.....i hope amare dunks all over duncan,kg, bynum everybody exactly like he did josh smith .......make them eat the court

hrf821
09-09-2008, 08:46 PM
/\/\ True indeed. IMO you will see Amare like the first year Nash came back. Saw shades of it last year. Josh Smith dunk, couple times he threw down with what seemed like 3-4 guys hanging on him.

In 04 no one could touch Amare, he torched Duncan in playoffs that year. IF that animal returns with just a touch of D - doesn't need the most skill, just focus and effort on that end, the Suns are in very good shape.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-09-2008, 09:34 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/09/09/20080909sunsamare0910.html

Dude - this article gave me chills.

Is he really shooting 71%? From where?

Can he play the defense he claims to be learning. He he as excited about it as he seems?

Was his lazyness on defense a reflection of a coachs lack of defensive principals and mentality?

Is October 29th or even Oct 5th every going to get here?

What do you all think.

"I couldn't be more ecstatic about the decision," Stoudemire said of the Porter hire. "He's very organized. He knows what it takes to win. He wants to be the champion. That falls into the category of the Stoudemire brand and also the Phoenix Suns brand. We want to be champions, whatever it takes to do it."
Like Mike D'antoni wasn't organized, didn't know what it took to win or didn't have any championship aspirations? Mike wanted it more than anyone, too bad Nash, Barbosa and Stoudemire couldn't play a lick of defense!!!


"I want to be Ron Artest," Stoudemire said, explaining the focus of his recent work on defense, along with efficiency in his offensive moves. "I want to be that guy you fear when you see him guarding you."
Be like Artest? To be the man, you got to beat the man. I'll believe it when Amare can dominate Duncan on both ends. Fear? Even a guy like Lamar Odom can pound it inside against Amare. I don't think guys fear Amare's defense. Let the action speak louder than cheap words!


"Expectations are higher than they've ever been," he said. "As I improve and I get better, we get better. I have no problem putting the total weight and everything we have on my shoulders. If we lose, I have no problem taking that burden. If we win, just make sure you guys give props where props are due. We're ready."
You mean there's a higher level than 100% commitment? You mean to tell me the last 4 years were mere 99% commitment instead of 100%? Amare has no problem taking the burden? Spurs bounce the Suns easily in 5. Amare's pissed off at the coach because Diaw got more attention. Amare elects not to join his teammates in the final voluntary meeting of the season. That doesn't sound like a true leader to me. If he's the captain of his own ship, shouldn't he be sinking along with it?

Grow up everyone! You guys are giving Amare way too much credit for things he hasn't done. He's never won a title or MVP. He's never led the league in scoring. What's he done? I'll endorse this guy when he becomes a winner, and I mean winning with his teammates instead of individual achievements.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-09-2008, 09:38 PM
amare is going to be a monster this season.exspect him to make some 3 pointers to yup yup cuz the last couple of years he has been working on it and i see it prevailing this year.....i hope amare dunks all over duncan,kg, bynum everybody exactly like he did josh smith .......make them eat the court

There you go again. Amare dunking on Duncan, KG, etc. What's that going to do expect score another basket? What you should be saying is how Amare is going to shut down Duncan and KG, go for loose balls, use every ounce of energy on defense, play every possession like it's his last, and all the other bull Lombardi pumpup speaches.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-09-2008, 09:45 PM
/\/\ True indeed. IMO you will see Amare like the first year Nash came back. Saw shades of it last year. Josh Smith dunk, couple times he threw down with what seemed like 3-4 guys hanging on him.

In 04 no one could touch Amare, he torched Duncan in playoffs that year. IF that animal returns with just a touch of D - doesn't need the most skill, just focus and effort on that end, the Suns are in very good shape.

Amare was a beast in 04/05 playoffs. His defense was better because he was younger and had a chip on his shoulders. Here's the problem, that player is long gone. That player died when he went under the knife. He's never going to be the same. He doesn't have the power, speed, quickness or the post moves like he did before the surgery. Yes, I mean scary post moves where he could get between Duncan and Nazi, flush in their faces and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it. It's differnet now, Amare settles for the midrange, he's not as explosive and the pick and roll is dead because Nash is old. Couple that with his lack luster defense, the season has passed for the Suns. The window of opportunity has closed, lock and boarded up.

KiNgSuNs1
09-09-2008, 10:19 PM
Amare was a beast in 04/05 playoffs. His defense was better because he was younger and had a chip on his shoulders. Here's the problem, that player is long gone. That player died when he went under the knife. He's never going to be the same. He doesn't have the power, speed, quickness or the post moves like he did before the surgery. Yes, I mean scary post moves where he could get between Duncan and Nazi, flush in their faces and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it. It's differnet now, Amare settles for the midrange, he's not as explosive and the pick and roll is dead because Nash is old. Couple that with his lack luster defense, the season has passed for the Suns. The window of opportunity has closed, lock and boarded up.

thats the thing hes going to have that exsplosiveness back in him because what alot of people dont know is that he was worried that he would reinjure himself thats why i beleive he took alot of midrange shots. vooodooo amare was never in the right position on defense. everytime i would hear van gundy announce the game he would point out where every player was suppose to be on the defense of assignment ......everyone would be out of place..this isnt a teams fault its a coaches fault for not putting them in the right place to succeed...............your to negative i do not understand how you can be a suns fan if everything you type is about how they suck and this and that .......amare will have a better d be faithfulll

JPHX
09-09-2008, 10:21 PM
Amare was a beast in 04/05 playoffs. His defense was better because he was younger and had a chip on his shoulders. Here's the problem, that player is long gone. That player died when he went under the knife. He's never going to be the same. He doesn't have the power, speed, quickness or the post moves like he did before the surgery. Yes, I mean scary post moves where he could get between Duncan and Nazi, flush in their faces and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it. It's differnet now, Amare settles for the midrange, he's not as explosive and the pick and roll is dead because Nash is old. Couple that with his lack luster defense, the season has passed for the Suns. The window of opportunity has closed, lock and boarded up.


unfortunately i have to disagree with you. yes amare was a beast back then. but its that kind of play that got him injured in the first place. when he went up to dunk he had no regard for anyone around him or himself. he had no mid range game which made his moves predictable; only going to the hoop. i believe the injury was a blessing in disguise. he was able to sit out a year and observe how to be a smart player.

the 04/05 amare averaged 26 pts 8 reb a game that season.

Paired just a couple months with shaq he averaged 25pts 9 reb. thats pretty close.

now he has raised his basketball IQ with little lessons from shaq and says hes added a defensive attrubute to his game. combine him with a deep bench of 7ft defensive specialist Lopez, a matt barnes, and a young euro guard named dragic. im sorry but ill take this years amare than the 04-05 amare.

its easy to bash on us now cause the season hasnt started, but i think that last years playoffs was a wake up call. new sense of urgency, new coach, increased depth; our window is closing but no way is it closed yet.

STAT32
09-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Damn Voodoo chill man. What are we supposed to do when we see an article like this? Blow it off and say "oh that'll be the day."? Honestly man, can you blame us for being excited?

kjfan
09-09-2008, 11:51 PM
"I couldn't be more ecstatic about the decision," Stoudemire said of the Porter hire. "He's very organized. He knows what it takes to win. He wants to be the champion. That falls into the category of the Stoudemire brand and also the Phoenix Suns brand. We want to be champions, whatever it takes to do it."
Like Mike D'antoni wasn't organized, didn't know what it took to win or didn't have any championship aspirations? Mike wanted it more than anyone, too bad Nash, Barbosa and Stoudemire couldn't play a lick of defense!!!


"I want to be Ron Artest," Stoudemire said, explaining the focus of his recent work on defense, along with efficiency in his offensive moves. "I want to be that guy you fear when you see him guarding you."
Be like Artest? To be the man, you got to beat the man. I'll believe it when Amare can dominate Duncan on both ends. Fear? Even a guy like Lamar Odom can pound it inside against Amare. I don't think guys fear Amare's defense. Let the action speak louder than cheap words!


"Expectations are higher than they've ever been," he said. "As I improve and I get better, we get better. I have no problem putting the total weight and everything we have on my shoulders. If we lose, I have no problem taking that burden. If we win, just make sure you guys give props where props are due. We're ready."
You mean there's a higher level than 100% commitment? You mean to tell me the last 4 years were mere 99% commitment instead of 100%? Amare has no problem taking the burden? Spurs bounce the Suns easily in 5. Amare's pissed off at the coach because Diaw got more attention. Amare elects not to join his teammates in the final voluntary meeting of the season. That doesn't sound like a true leader to me. If he's the captain of his own ship, shouldn't he be sinking along with it?

Grow up everyone! You guys are giving Amare way too much credit for things he hasn't done. He's never won a title or MVP. He's never led the league in scoring. What's he done? I'll endorse this guy when he becomes a winner, and I mean winning with his teammates instead of individual achievements.


What has he done????????

Well lets see:

In 2007/2008 season he averaged 25.2 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 59% FG, 81% FT in 33.9 mpg in 79 games… Only NBA player in the top 10 in scoring FG% and blocks… Joined Yao Ming and Dwight Howard as the only three players in the NBA to average at least 20 points, nine rebounds and two blocks…

2006-07:
Was one of only three NBA players (Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand) ranked in the top 20 in scoring (team-high 20.4, 19th), rebounding (career-high 9.6, 9th) and field goal percentage (career-best .575, 5th)… Was the lone Suns player to appear in every game, Ranked second among NBA centers in scoring behind only Yao Ming… Was one of only two players (Ben Gordon) to rank in the top 20 in scoring and average fewer than 33 minutes per game (32.8)… Broke loose for a Suns All-Star record 29 points (14-22 FG) and added nine rebounds in 21 minutes at the 2007 NBA All-Star Game in Las Vegas on Feb. 18… Notched a career-high 46 double-doubles (prev. 27, 2004-05) and ranked fifth in the NBA Has scored 20 or more points in a club-record 14 consecutive playoff games (May 22, 2005 – May 14, 2007), which surpasses the previous mark of 12, set by Charles Barkley from June 5, 1993 – May 11, 1994

2005- 2006 overcame knee surgery and was one of 23 players named to the USA Basketball Men’s Senior National Team Program on March 5.

2004-05:
Was only NBA player ranked in top 10 in points and field goal percentage… Had highest scoring average by a Suns player since Tom Chambers averaged a franchise-best 27.2 points in 1989-90… Scored 40+ points six times, including career-high 50 points. Averaged 29.9 points in 15 playoff games, the highest scoring average ever for a Suns player in a single postseason… Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s record (34.2, 1970) for highest scoring average ever for a player in his first conference finals by averaging 37.0 points in conference finals vs. San Antonio… Scored a playoff career-high 42 points in Game 5 of conference finals vs. San Antonio on June 1.

2003-04:
Selected to play on the U.S. Men's Olympic Team at the 2004 Games in Athens, Greece. Won MVP of Rookie allstar game.

2002-03:
Won NBA rookie of the Year!!! Topped all rookies in rebounds (8.8), free throws made (320) and attempted (484), was 2nd in points (13.5), blocks (1.06) and minutes (31.3) and 4th in field goal percentage (.472)


Thats not even mentioning his 3 all star appearances, the suns have never missed the playoffs since he's been on the team. many western conference players of the months and has been an MVP canidate.

I' m not saying he doesent have area's for improvement, but to diss him like that just shows how much you really don't know about basketball. (did you ever play ball? Who is your team anyways? There is not one team in the NBA who would not want this beast/all star on their team. To me it seems like he has accomplished alot in his short 5 years, more like 4 years he basically missed a whole season. Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

STAT32
09-10-2008, 12:00 AM
Very Nice.

theimortalone
09-10-2008, 01:54 AM
What has he done????????

Well lets see:

In 2007/2008 season he averaged 25.2 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 59% FG, 81% FT in 33.9 mpg in 79 games… Only NBA player in the top 10 in scoring FG% and blocks… Joined Yao Ming and Dwight Howard as the only three players in the NBA to average at least 20 points, nine rebounds and two blocks…

2006-07:
Was one of only three NBA players (Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand) ranked in the top 20 in scoring (team-high 20.4, 19th), rebounding (career-high 9.6, 9th) and field goal percentage (career-best .575, 5th)… Was the lone Suns player to appear in every game, Ranked second among NBA centers in scoring behind only Yao Ming… Was one of only two players (Ben Gordon) to rank in the top 20 in scoring and average fewer than 33 minutes per game (32.8)… Broke loose for a Suns All-Star record 29 points (14-22 FG) and added nine rebounds in 21 minutes at the 2007 NBA All-Star Game in Las Vegas on Feb. 18… Notched a career-high 46 double-doubles (prev. 27, 2004-05) and ranked fifth in the NBA Has scored 20 or more points in a club-record 14 consecutive playoff games (May 22, 2005 – May 14, 2007), which surpasses the previous mark of 12, set by Charles Barkley from June 5, 1993 – May 11, 1994

2005- 2006 overcame knee surgery and was one of 23 players named to the USA Basketball Men’s Senior National Team Program on March 5.

2004-05:
Was only NBA player ranked in top 10 in points and field goal percentage… Had highest scoring average by a Suns player since Tom Chambers averaged a franchise-best 27.2 points in 1989-90… Scored 40+ points six times, including career-high 50 points. Averaged 29.9 points in 15 playoff games, the highest scoring average ever for a Suns player in a single postseason… Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s record (34.2, 1970) for highest scoring average ever for a player in his first conference finals by averaging 37.0 points in conference finals vs. San Antonio… Scored a playoff career-high 42 points in Game 5 of conference finals vs. San Antonio on June 1.

2003-04:
Selected to play on the U.S. Men's Olympic Team at the 2004 Games in Athens, Greece. Won MVP of Rookie allstar game.

2002-03:
Won NBA rookie of the Year!!! Topped all rookies in rebounds (8.8), free throws made (320) and attempted (484), was 2nd in points (13.5), blocks (1.06) and minutes (31.3) and 4th in field goal percentage (.472)


Thats not even mentioning his 3 all star appearances, the suns have never missed the playoffs since he's been on the team. many western conference players of the months and has been an MVP canidate.

I' m not saying he doesent have area's for improvement, but to diss him like that just shows how much you really don't know about basketball. (did you ever play ball? Who is your team anyways? There is not one team in the NBA who would not want this beast/all star on their team. To me it seems like he has accomplished alot in his short 5 years, more like 4 years he basically missed a whole season. Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Very nice KJFan!!!! I really like what you wrote! That Amare article gave me chills! Reading that article makes me so excited for the season to begin!!

shotblockershaq
09-10-2008, 03:40 AM
"I couldn't be more ecstatic about the decision," Stoudemire said of the Porter hire. "He's very organized. He knows what it takes to win. He wants to be the champion. That falls into the category of the Stoudemire brand and also the Phoenix Suns brand. We want to be champions, whatever it takes to do it."
Like Mike D'antoni wasn't organized, didn't know what it took to win or didn't have any championship aspirations? Mike wanted it more than anyone, too bad Nash, Barbosa and Stoudemire couldn't play a lick of defense!!!


"I want to be Ron Artest," Stoudemire said, explaining the focus of his recent work on defense, along with efficiency in his offensive moves. "I want to be that guy you fear when you see him guarding you."
Be like Artest? To be the man, you got to beat the man. I'll believe it when Amare can dominate Duncan on both ends. Fear? Even a guy like Lamar Odom can pound it inside against Amare. I don't think guys fear Amare's defense. Let the action speak louder than cheap words!


"Expectations are higher than they've ever been," he said. "As I improve and I get better, we get better. I have no problem putting the total weight and everything we have on my shoulders. If we lose, I have no problem taking that burden. If we win, just make sure you guys give props where props are due. We're ready."
You mean there's a higher level than 100% commitment? You mean to tell me the last 4 years were mere 99% commitment instead of 100%? Amare has no problem taking the burden? Spurs bounce the Suns easily in 5. Amare's pissed off at the coach because Diaw got more attention. Amare elects not to join his teammates in the final voluntary meeting of the season. That doesn't sound like a true leader to me. If he's the captain of his own ship, shouldn't he be sinking along with it?

Grow up everyone! You guys are giving Amare way too much credit for things he hasn't done. He's never won a title or MVP. He's never led the league in scoring. What's he done? I'll endorse this guy when he becomes a winner, and I mean winning with his teammates instead of individual achievements.

Firstly, Mike had as much of a game plan as he did a set offense. Don't get me wrong the brand of shoot in 7 seconds or less basketball is pure entertainment. Secondly if you've ever had a lick of what proper basketball is like, you would understand that defense is about all 5 players working together; and again that is usually coordinated by the coach.

Using Duncan as a person to defend is a pretty bad example for he is truly a center when you come to think of it, the only reason why is that he came out playing as a center is because there were no other options as the admiral and it was just a nightmare for other teams to match up against. It would be a better comparison if you had him defend a Chris Bosh, Dirk and the other actual power forwards.

A player that hasn't won a title or an MVP award, I don't think Dwight, Lebron, Bosh has either titles under their belts. How about Shawn Kemp, never played for a championship team, no MVP; Karl Malone only won his two MVP awards because Michael winning it was just getting boring but does that mean that he doesn't deserve his credit? So i think you should grow up and stop saying stuff which don't really matter because no one is benefiting from your comments.







Or your endorsement.

amare#1
09-10-2008, 05:35 AM
Damn Voodoo chill man. What are we supposed to do when we see an article like this? Blow it off and say "oh that'll be the day."? Honestly man, can you blame us for being excited?

Exactly Voodoo. Calm down buddy. He may not be your favorite player, but you're discrediting him way too much. Which suns players do you actually like? You come across as more of a hater than some of the Lakers fans!

amare#1
09-10-2008, 05:38 AM
Firstly, Mike had as much of a game plan as he did a set offense. Don't get me wrong the brand of shoot in 7 seconds or less basketball is pure entertainment. Secondly if you've ever had a lick of what proper basketball is like, you would understand that defense is about all 5 players working together; and again that is usually coordinated by the coach.

Using Duncan as a person to defend is a pretty bad example for he is truly a center when you come to think of it, the only reason why is that he came out playing as a center is because there were no other options as the admiral and it was just a nightmare for other teams to match up against. It would be a better comparison if you had him defend a Chris Bosh, Dirk and the other actual power forwards.

A player that hasn't won a title or an MVP award, I don't think Dwight, Lebron, Bosh has either titles under their belts. How about Shawn Kemp, never played for a championship team, no MVP; Karl Malone only won his two MVP awards because Michael winning it was just getting boring but does that mean that he doesn't deserve his credit? So i think you should grow up and stop saying stuff which don't really matter because no one is benefiting from your comments.

Or your endorsement.

Good post man... completely agree. Welcome to the forum also!

Tom81
09-10-2008, 05:51 AM
Firstly, Mike had as much of a game plan as he did a set offense. Don't get me wrong the brand of shoot in 7 seconds or less basketball is pure entertainment. Secondly if you've ever had a lick of what proper basketball is like, you would understand that defense is about all 5 players working together; and again that is usually coordinated by the coach.

Using Duncan as a person to defend is a pretty bad example for he is truly a center when you come to think of it, the only reason why is that he came out playing as a center is because there were no other options as the admiral and it was just a nightmare for other teams to match up against. It would be a better comparison if you had him defend a Chris Bosh, Dirk and the other actual power forwards.

A player that hasn't won a title or an MVP award, I don't think Dwight, Lebron, Bosh has either titles under their belts. How about Shawn Kemp, never played for a championship team, no MVP; Karl Malone only won his two MVP awards because Michael winning it was just getting boring but does that mean that he doesn't deserve his credit? So i think you should grow up and stop saying stuff which don't really matter because no one is benefiting from your comments.







Or your endorsement.

:clap:

king4day
09-10-2008, 08:30 AM
"I couldn't be more ecstatic about the decision," Stoudemire said of the Porter hire. "He's very organized. He knows what it takes to win. He wants to be the champion. That falls into the category of the Stoudemire brand and also the Phoenix Suns brand. We want to be champions, whatever it takes to do it."
Like Mike D'antoni wasn't organized, didn't know what it took to win or didn't have any championship aspirations? Mike wanted it more than anyone, too bad Nash, Barbosa and Stoudemire couldn't play a lick of defense!!!


"I want to be Ron Artest," Stoudemire said, explaining the focus of his recent work on defense, along with efficiency in his offensive moves. "I want to be that guy you fear when you see him guarding you."
Be like Artest? To be the man, you got to beat the man. I'll believe it when Amare can dominate Duncan on both ends. Fear? Even a guy like Lamar Odom can pound it inside against Amare. I don't think guys fear Amare's defense. Let the action speak louder than cheap words!


"Expectations are higher than they've ever been," he said. "As I improve and I get better, we get better. I have no problem putting the total weight and everything we have on my shoulders. If we lose, I have no problem taking that burden. If we win, just make sure you guys give props where props are due. We're ready."
You mean there's a higher level than 100% commitment? You mean to tell me the last 4 years were mere 99% commitment instead of 100%? Amare has no problem taking the burden? Spurs bounce the Suns easily in 5. Amare's pissed off at the coach because Diaw got more attention. Amare elects not to join his teammates in the final voluntary meeting of the season. That doesn't sound like a true leader to me. If he's the captain of his own ship, shouldn't he be sinking along with it?

Grow up everyone! You guys are giving Amare way too much credit for things he hasn't done. He's never won a title or MVP. He's never led the league in scoring. What's he done? I'll endorse this guy when he becomes a winner, and I mean winning with his teammates instead of individual achievements.

Totally man. I agree, we're gonna be awesome this year

Tom81
09-10-2008, 11:29 AM
"Amaré Stoudemire feels the Suns' core still has plenty of fossil fuel left in the tank, and with the injection of energy expected from newcomers Matt Barnes, Goran Dragic and Robin Lopez, the new direction provided by coach Terry Porter will be just what the team needs to reload. 'The new guys? Fantastico,' said Stoudemire, kissing his fingertips, European style. 'The players we brought in really complement the players we have, and they work extremely hard. We have active, fearless guys who are so focused on basketball. For a team that's looking to achieve greater things, this was a great group of additions. We have a lot of talent, and Terry Porter's method has us all uplifted and ready to move forward.'"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-34-46/First-Cup--Wednesday.html

East Valley Tribune:



go suns

chadillachembre
09-10-2008, 12:16 PM
one thing amare has never done is not meet a challange had verbally set in place. when he got in the league they said he didnt have a J now he's arguably the best shooting man. they said he wont ever be the same after his knee surgury but hes a far better player than before winning 1st team all nba and an all-star berth. his free throw percentage has increased. his rookie year was supposed to be the yao ming coming out party and instead amare won the ROY award that was supposed to be yao's. i dont see why his defense would be any different this year. he will be amazing this season. watch out

Tom81
09-10-2008, 02:07 PM
Amare Stoudemire is ready to rock

Since the start of the 2008-09 season is less than 50 days away — whoa, where in the hell did the summer go? — it's about time I roll out a few "NBA wishes." They are, in no particular order: Julius Hodge returns, dominates; the Raptors make the second round of the playoffs; Jamal Crawford blogs about D'Antoni's inevitable mental breakdown; and Amare Stoudemire's career swagger returns from the ashes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Amare-Stoudemire-is-ready-to-rock;_ylt=ArjKbdCpNXVWpRv7sfs1ZLO8vLYF?urn=nba,106 761

yahoo.com



man I can't wait season starts.

hrf821
09-10-2008, 03:12 PM
I really hope Amare can walk is talk. He always has to this point. I would just love to see people eat their words. Even the Tribune poster's just bash him. If this guy is our "future" should we not embrace him, at least a little. Phoenix fans p!ss me off sometimes.

GO SUNS!!!

chadillachembre
09-10-2008, 03:39 PM
would you guys rather have the '93 barkley on your squad or the amare we expect this year?

JPHX
09-10-2008, 05:00 PM
amare.

STAT32
09-10-2008, 05:59 PM
Sad to say, but Barkley. Sir Charles is one of the greatest Power Forwards to ever play the game. I'm not saying Amare won't get there because I believe that he will.

PhxGiant
09-10-2008, 08:32 PM
As of RIGHT NOW, if we were able to have that Sir Charles then i'd take him. But in the long run Amare is my guy.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:23 PM
thats the thing hes going to have that exsplosiveness back in him because what alot of people dont know is that he was worried that he would reinjure himself thats why i beleive he took alot of midrange shots. vooodooo amare was never in the right position on defense. everytime i would hear van gundy announce the game he would point out where every player was suppose to be on the defense of assignment ......everyone would be out of place..this isnt a teams fault its a coaches fault for not putting them in the right place to succeed...............your to negative i do not understand how you can be a suns fan if everything you type is about how they suck and this and that .......amare will have a better d be faithfulll

Who said I was a Suns fan?

theimortalone
09-10-2008, 11:26 PM
Who said I was a Suns fan?

So...Your not a Suns fan? Then why are you always in our forums then?

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:26 PM
its easy to bash on us now cause the season hasnt started, but i think that last years playoffs was a wake up call. new sense of urgency, new coach, increased depth; our window is closing but no way is it closed yet.

That's what they have been saying for the last 4 years. Every team has a sense of urgency. As long as the Suns have weak defenders like Amare, Nash and Barbosa, this team is going to fizzle out...yet again.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:34 PM
What has he done????????

Well lets see:

In 2007/2008 season he averaged 25.2 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 59% FG, 81% FT in 33.9 mpg in 79 games… Only NBA player in the top 10 in scoring FG% and blocks… Joined Yao Ming and Dwight Howard as the only three players in the NBA to average at least 20 points, nine rebounds and two blocks…

2006-07:
Was one of only three NBA players (Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand) ranked in the top 20 in scoring (team-high 20.4, 19th), rebounding (career-high 9.6, 9th) and field goal percentage (career-best .575, 5th)… Was the lone Suns player to appear in every game, Ranked second among NBA centers in scoring behind only Yao Ming… Was one of only two players (Ben Gordon) to rank in the top 20 in scoring and average fewer than 33 minutes per game (32.8)… Broke loose for a Suns All-Star record 29 points (14-22 FG) and added nine rebounds in 21 minutes at the 2007 NBA All-Star Game in Las Vegas on Feb. 18… Notched a career-high 46 double-doubles (prev. 27, 2004-05) and ranked fifth in the NBA Has scored 20 or more points in a club-record 14 consecutive playoff games (May 22, 2005 – May 14, 2007), which surpasses the previous mark of 12, set by Charles Barkley from June 5, 1993 – May 11, 1994

2005- 2006 overcame knee surgery and was one of 23 players named to the USA Basketball Men’s Senior National Team Program on March 5.

2004-05:
Was only NBA player ranked in top 10 in points and field goal percentage… Had highest scoring average by a Suns player since Tom Chambers averaged a franchise-best 27.2 points in 1989-90… Scored 40+ points six times, including career-high 50 points. Averaged 29.9 points in 15 playoff games, the highest scoring average ever for a Suns player in a single postseason… Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s record (34.2, 1970) for highest scoring average ever for a player in his first conference finals by averaging 37.0 points in conference finals vs. San Antonio… Scored a playoff career-high 42 points in Game 5 of conference finals vs. San Antonio on June 1.

2003-04:
Selected to play on the U.S. Men's Olympic Team at the 2004 Games in Athens, Greece. Won MVP of Rookie allstar game.

2002-03:
Won NBA rookie of the Year!!! Topped all rookies in rebounds (8.8), free throws made (320) and attempted (484), was 2nd in points (13.5), blocks (1.06) and minutes (31.3) and 4th in field goal percentage (.472)


Thats not even mentioning his 3 all star appearances, the suns have never missed the playoffs since he's been on the team. many western conference players of the months and has been an MVP canidate.

I' m not saying he doesent have area's for improvement, but to diss him like that just shows how much you really don't know about basketball. (did you ever play ball? Who is your team anyways? There is not one team in the NBA who would not want this beast/all star on their team. To me it seems like he has accomplished alot in his short 5 years, more like 4 years he basically missed a whole season. Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

I never said Amare wasn't a good player. He is one of the best offensive big man in the league. He could be the best player in the entire NBA if he dominated on defense. He has so much God given talent, it's not even funny. The problem is he has no heart to play defense like Dwight Howard, Duncan and KG. That's why I'm hard on Stoudemire. He wants to be the best, so he has to take on some hard criticisms.

If you were to compare Amare to the following players, not one true NBA fan would pick Amare over the other players:

Amare vs Duncan
Amare vs KG
Amare vs Dwight Howard

Everyone keeps talking about Amare being very young. Young? He's been in the league 6 years, going on 7. He's considered a veteran. If he hasn't learned to play defense by now, he will never be the defender he needs to be in order to be considered great. Look at Kwame Brown. He's been in the league 7 or 8 years. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:42 PM
Exactly Voodoo. Calm down buddy. He may not be your favorite player, but you're discrediting him way too much. Which suns players do you actually like? You come across as more of a hater than some of the Lakers fans!

Amare's NOT my favorite player. I'm a basketball fan. I LOVE Kobe Bryant, CP3, LBJ, DWade, Joe Johnson, Tim Duncan, Ginobili, Sheed, KG, Ron Artest, Brandon Roy, Gerald Wallace, Paul Pierce, Boozer, DWil...complete players who play on both sides of the ball. Amare, Nash, Barbosa are one-sided players. They only think about offense.

I hope that settles any controversy.

theimortalone
09-10-2008, 11:45 PM
I never said Amare wasn't a good player. He is one of the best offensive big man in the league. He could be the best player in the entire NBA if he dominated on defense. He has so much God given talent, it's not even funny. The problem is he has no heart to play defense like Dwight Howard, Duncan and KG. That's why I'm hard on Stoudemire. He wants to be the best, so he has to take on some hard criticisms.

If you were to compare Amare to the following players, not one true NBA fan would pick Amare over the other players:

Amare vs Duncan
Amare vs KG
Amare vs Dwight Howard

Everyone keeps talking about Amare being very young. Young? He's been in the league 6 years, going on 7. He's considered a veteran. If he hasn't learned to play defense by now, he will never be the defender he needs to be in order to be considered great. Look at Kwame Brown. He's been in the league 7 or 8 years. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

I would so love for you to make all the comments about Amare to his face. That would be fun. You have got to be the worst cridic in the world to him!

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:47 PM
would you guys rather have the '93 barkley on your squad or the amare we expect this year?

Barkley.

He was a go to guy. Amare is not a go to guy. Sir Charles ruled! He forced the double team and then killed anyone in his way. At 6-4, he could out rebound 3 7-footers surrounding him. He played with heart. No one, and I mean no one worked harder than Barkley. Amare needs to have that type of heart but he doesn't and I think that's why Barkley was never a big fan of this particular team, no defense.

STAT32
09-10-2008, 11:48 PM
Barkley wasn't exactly known for his defensive prowess, he could hold his own but he wasn't anything special.

STAT32
09-10-2008, 11:49 PM
He was a great rebounder though. Acie Green was also an exceptional rebounder for his size.

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:50 PM
I would so love for you to make all the comments about Amare to his face. That would be fun. You have got to be the worst cridic in the world to him!

You're assuming that I wouldn't say a word in front of Amare. The truth is I would. I would also tell him that he's got all this talent but he can't put it together. Not mentally nor on defense. I would further add that he needs to swallow his pride and work out with KG and Duncan in the offseason instead of trying to figure out how to be a champion on his own. What do you think he'll do? Take a swing at me because I'm telling the truth?

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:52 PM
Barkley wasn't exactly known for his defensive prowess, he could hold his own but he wasn't anything special.

Nash/Marion/Barkley = championship

Nash/Marion/Amare = well we already know the answer

STAT32
09-10-2008, 11:54 PM
There's no way to know for sure. So let me ask you, who plays center on that Barkley lineup?

Voodoo Alchemy
09-10-2008, 11:56 PM
There's no way to know for sure. So let me ask you, who plays center on that Barkley lineup?

Oliver Miller!

Nash/Ceballos/Marion/Barkley/Miller would've been enough to beat the Jordan Bulls!

STAT32
09-10-2008, 11:59 PM
yea right.

kjfan
09-11-2008, 12:17 AM
Oliver Miller!

Nash/Ceballos/Marion/Barkley/Miller would've been enough to beat the Jordan Bulls!

naw, this team would have been able to beat the bulls though:

K.J./thunder Dan/Marion/Barkley/Stat

I would take this team over your team any day.

kjfan
09-11-2008, 12:24 AM
I never said Amare wasn't a good player. He is one of the best offensive big man in the league. He could be the best player in the entire NBA if he dominated on defense. He has so much God given talent, it's not even funny. The problem is he has no heart to play defense like Dwight Howard, Duncan and KG. That's why I'm hard on Stoudemire. He wants to be the best, so he has to take on some hard criticisms.

If you were to compare Amare to the following players, not one true NBA fan would pick Amare over the other players:

Amare vs Duncan
Amare vs KG
Amare vs Dwight Howard

Everyone keeps talking about Amare being very young. Young? He's been in the league 6 years, going on 7. He's considered a veteran. If he hasn't learned to play defense by now, he will never be the defender he needs to be in order to be considered great. Look at Kwame Brown. He's been in the league 7 or 8 years. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.


I would take Amare over Duncan and KG both players are very old and even in their prime are not as athletic as amare. Dwight howard is a stud. But he himself is not the greatest defensive player. I'm sure his defensive statistics are similar to amares.

If your not a suns fan, why are you wasting your time in this forum then?

theimortalone
09-11-2008, 12:39 AM
You're assuming that I wouldn't say a word in front of Amare. The truth is I would. I would also tell him that he's got all this talent but he can't put it together. Not mentally nor on defense. I would further add that he needs to swallow his pride and work out with KG and Duncan in the offseason instead of trying to figure out how to be a champion on his own. What do you think he'll do? Take a swing at me because I'm telling the truth?

Alright. I would love to see that! Seriously I would. If I were Amare, I would want to work out with Duncan. I agree with you on that part. I would even love him to work out w/ Barkley. Dude is gonna be a beast this year, you will see!!!

Willy T Justice
09-11-2008, 12:41 AM
Amare's NOT my favorite player. I'm a basketball fan. I LOVE Kobe Bryant, CP3, LBJ, DWade, Joe Johnson, Tim Duncan, Ginobili, Sheed, KG, Ron Artest, Brandon Roy, Gerald Wallace, Paul Pierce, Boozer, DWil...complete players who play on both sides of the ball. Amare, Nash, Barbosa are one-sided players. They only think about offense.

I hope that settles any controversy.

The only thing this settles is that you love alot of men. If you are a basketball fan, then you would like everyone in the league as well as some of the non elite players, of none that you mentioned. Remember basketball is a team sport.

By the way if you are a true basketball fan you would have mentioned a name or two from the WNBA

amare#1
09-11-2008, 02:33 AM
Amare's NOT my favorite player. I'm a basketball fan. I LOVE Kobe Bryant, CP3, LBJ, DWade, Joe Johnson, Tim Duncan, Ginobili, Sheed, KG, Ron Artest, Brandon Roy, Gerald Wallace, Paul Pierce, Boozer, DWil...complete players who play on both sides of the ball. Amare, Nash, Barbosa are one-sided players. They only think about offense.

I hope that settles any controversy.

Nah doesn't settle any controversy because you didn't answer my question which was "which suns players do you actually like?". Also, are you a suns fan? and if so... why? Because all you do is hate on the team. This time answer the actual questions Voodoo... don't just give me an irrelevant list of players that you like.

JPHX
09-11-2008, 02:47 AM
That's what they have been saying for the last 4 years. Every team has a sense of urgency. As long as the Suns have weak defenders like Amare, Nash and Barbosa, this team is going to fizzle out...yet again.


If you ever play oragnized ball you know that a player will do whatever the coach says to. in amare's case d'antoni never ever worked D in is coaching schemes. to me it sounds like your saying amare personally doesnt like playing D and wont put forth the effort to do so. im sure that since d'antoni is out all the players are anxious to work on defensive schemes with TP.

chadillachembre
09-11-2008, 04:43 PM
I never said Amare wasn't a good player. He is one of the best offensive big man in the league. He could be the best player in the entire NBA if he dominated on defense. He has so much God given talent, it's not even funny. The problem is he has no heart to play defense like Dwight Howard, Duncan and KG. That's why I'm hard on Stoudemire. He wants to be the best, so he has to take on some hard criticisms.

If you were to compare Amare to the following players, not one true NBA fan would pick Amare over the other players:

Amare vs Duncan
Amare vs KG
Amare vs Dwight Howard

Everyone keeps talking about Amare being very young. Young? He's been in the league 6 years, going on 7. He's considered a veteran. If he hasn't learned to play defense by now, he will never be the defender he needs to be in order to be considered great. Look at Kwame Brown. He's been in the league 7 or 8 years. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

1st of all wait until this season to give amare the no defense knock because he has played in a system that required no defense. ive always hated his lack of D but my card is still out on wether he cant play D or not. 2nd i would take amare over dwight howard and who would put any big man above duncan and kg right now? thats an unfair argument

Voodoo Alchemy
09-12-2008, 12:17 AM
Nah doesn't settle any controversy because you didn't answer my question which was "which suns players do you actually like?". Also, are you a suns fan? and if so... why? Because all you do is hate on the team. This time answer the actual questions Voodoo... don't just give me an irrelevant list of players that you like.

I love Nash, hate his defense. He's a great playmaker, makes his team better but he's also a liability on defense.

I love Amare's offense, hate his defense. He's a beast on offense but he can't guard anyone. He can't even hold his position against other players. He could be a better rebounder but he's not because he doesn't have the desire like KG. He's not the total package everyone thinks he is.

I love Barbosa's speed, hate his defense. Love how he can score in the regular season but fades in the playoffs.

Hope that answers all your inquiries? Anything else?

Voodoo Alchemy
09-12-2008, 12:25 AM
If you ever play oragnized ball you know that a player will do whatever the coach says to. in amare's case d'antoni never ever worked D in is coaching schemes. to me it sounds like your saying amare personally doesnt like playing D and wont put forth the effort to do so. im sure that since d'antoni is out all the players are anxious to work on defensive schemes with TP.

It's funny how Mike was an easy scapegoat here. I didn't think he was a great coach. Great offensive mind with the players he had but not a great coach in general. I'm not supporting the guy. However, there have been many times during post game interviews where Mike only talked about how great his team played defense. So stop trying to make him out to be someone who NEVER preached defense because that wasn't true. He even started KT against Duncan in the playoffs because he needed defense rather than offense.

I did play high school football. Don't know if you want to consider that organized ball? In any event, everyone did what the coach asked and there was never a time where defense wasn't preached. In fact, no coach in ANY sport would only preach offense. That's where you are mistaken. You are assuming Mike wanted his team to abandon defense altogether and that's just plain silly on your part. What coach doesn't play defense in any sport, be it Hockey, Baseball, Football or Basketball?

Bishnoff
09-12-2008, 01:30 AM
Mike D’Antoni kept plugging a system that was never going to work – at least not with the players he had at hand and whilst being chastised by Sarver. The best SSOL starting 5 were Nash, Johnson, Richardson, Marion, Stoudemire and even they couldn’t get the job done – it all went down hill from there. This system worked during the regular season but we all know that the playoffs are a whole different ball-game.

D’Antoni is not a scapegoat; he should shoulder a lot of the blame since he couldn’t adapt his game-plan to suit the situation. He is a one-dimensional coach in the purest sense (only focuses on one side of the game). If the players disobeyed their coach by prioritising crashing the boards and getting back on D (fundamental aspects of good D) instead of pre-empting the fast break then I doubt D’Antoni would have given them much game-time, let alone kept them in his 7 man rotation.

I’m personally the most confident I’ve been about our team’s success since 04-05 season. Amare’s fit and confident (and doesn’t have to play out of position), we have depth (9-10 man rotation), backups at the PG & C (when was the last time we could say that?), still have good 3 point shooters in the form of Nash, Bell & Barbosa (Barnes even), some youth & speed, experience including Shaq’s 4 rings... that’s a fairly well-rounded team IMO.

amare#1
09-12-2008, 02:59 AM
I love Nash, hate his defense. He's a great playmaker, makes his team better but he's also a liability on defense.

I love Amare's offense, hate his defense. He's a beast on offense but he can't guard anyone. He can't even hold his position against other players. He could be a better rebounder but he's not because he doesn't have the desire like KG. He's not the total package everyone thinks he is.

I love Barbosa's speed, hate his defense. Love how he can score in the regular season but fades in the playoffs.

Hope that answers all your inquiries? Anything else?

No more inquiries man... at least for now. Thanks for answering the questions and showing some positivity for once!

shotblockershaq
09-12-2008, 04:31 AM
It's still very hard to believe that Voodoo can justify his points, if he is a true NBA fan as he says then he wouldn't criticize Amare for being too offensive minded. I mean you listed Kobe first on the list of players that you appreciate the most, but even Kobe himself has said that when he plays for the Lakers he can't spend that much energy on the defensive end; how can you expect Amare to be so focused on defense? Also the comparison with Dwight is absolute dirt, he faded so bad during the playoffs it was unbelievable; yeah this means that he isn't a player who dominates both ends of the floor but does this mean he isn't amazing as a player? no, That he isn't offensive minded enough? no; just not experienced enough. How can you respect KG that much if you only support players who are proven winners? Hadn't even made it to the finals until this year and lets not forget his decade drought from getting out of the first round.

Both Gerald Wallace and Ron Artest have as much offense as Barbosa and Amare does defense.

I wonder why you're just here to bash pro's and lick on glory balls. I mean none of your comments ever really contributes to any discussions and your ideas never even link up.

amare#1
09-12-2008, 06:04 AM
I mean none of your comments ever really contributes to any discussions and your ideas never even link up.

Got to agree shotblockershaq. Seriously Voodoo, don't you get sick of the arguments that you start, the criticism you cop and all the negativity which you exert? Surely pissing everyone off doesn't feel that good does it?

theimortalone
09-12-2008, 12:25 PM
It's still very hard to believe that Voodoo can justify his points, if he is a true NBA fan as he says then he wouldn't criticize Amare for being too offensive minded. I mean you listed Kobe first on the list of players that you appreciate the most, but even Kobe himself has said that when he plays for the Lakers he can't spend that much energy on the defensive end; how can you expect Amare to be so focused on defense? Also the comparison with Dwight is absolute dirt, he faded so bad during the playoffs it was unbelievable; yeah this means that he isn't a player who dominates both ends of the floor but does this mean he isn't amazing as a player? no, That he isn't offensive minded enough? no; just not experienced enough. How can you respect KG that much if you only support players who are proven winners? Hadn't even made it to the finals until this year and lets not forget his decade drought from getting out of the first round.

Both Gerald Wallace and Ron Artest have as much offense as Barbosa and Amare does defense.

I wonder why you're just here to bash pro's and lick on glory balls. I mean none of your comments ever really contributes to any discussions and your ideas never even link up.

Very well said man!