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Mile High Champ
09-08-2008, 02:22 PM
Hey everyone, we will be continuing the series to find a true top 10 list at each position. We are on onto the CENTERS... Jefferson was the easy winner of the third poll so we will continue on.

Like I said before, I will add more players to the list as soon as we put another guy on the top 10 list.

PS: Please do not start any threads with the same title. I am capable of conducting the polls and completing the series of threads to find the top 10 players at each position. If I need some help I will ask for it. Thanks for your time.

An updated list of the polls we have completed can be found here..
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6524689#post6524689

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
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A Quick Note: This is a poll for who is the best center, not which center has the best potential. The best centers in the league as of right now. Thanks.

Mile High Champ
09-08-2008, 02:27 PM
As of right now, I would want Jermaine O'neal. He is the 4th best in my mind.

JordansBulls
09-08-2008, 02:30 PM
Slim pickings here. I'd say Kaman based off of production.

Z-ray21
09-08-2008, 02:47 PM
i was thinking of going with JO but im goin with shaq because i wanna be a center like him in the future

Tom81
09-08-2008, 02:54 PM
Shaquille O'Neal

Devils05
09-08-2008, 02:55 PM
No Sheed on the list yet? I'd definitely put him in over Miller

NYKnickFanatic
09-08-2008, 02:58 PM
I went with Tyson Chandler, Bynum should not even be voted for.

Doesnt even deserve to be on this list yet.

Def not Top 10.

Its ridiculous how "basketball fans" are voting for him.

UK Bull
09-08-2008, 03:00 PM
Shaq

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 03:02 PM
Ab17

-LakeSHOW24/7-
09-08-2008, 03:04 PM
**** bynum haters.he is definetly in top 5 centers in the league.and in this upcoming nba season he will be nr.2 behind Superman.mark my words.bynum=beast, both ends of the floor.

pebloemer
09-08-2008, 03:05 PM
No Sheed on the list yet? I'd definitely put him in over Miller

Sheed was on the PF list. McDyess started at C for the Pistons last year with Sheed at PF.

markkk89
09-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Jeffeson is a center?

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 03:07 PM
**** bynum haters.he is definetly in top 5 centers in the league.and in this upcoming nba season he will be nr.2 behind Superman.mark my words.bynum=beast, both ends of the floor.

LOL you tell it brotha!

Chronz
09-08-2008, 03:07 PM
Sheed was on the PF list. McDyess started at C for the Pistons last year with Sheed at PF.

No McDyess started at PF and Sheed started at Center ALL YEAR.

J-Relo
09-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Shaq

SeoulBeatz
09-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Samuel Dalembert?

Devils05
09-08-2008, 03:13 PM
No McDyess started at PF and Sheed started at Center ALL YEAR.Right

Chronz
09-08-2008, 03:15 PM
I voted for Kaman but it really is anyones spot at this point, Shaq, Bynum and Jermaine if hes healthy are all solid options.

sp1derm00
09-08-2008, 03:17 PM
If you ask me which Center I would take off the of list, I would without a doubt pick Bynum.

pebloemer
09-08-2008, 03:29 PM
No McDyess started at PF and Sheed started at Center ALL YEAR.

Well espn says otherwise.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/depth?team=det

I know when I watched Pistons games, Toronto TV stations listed Sheed as the PF and McDyess as Center as well.

My NBA 2K8 also has him listed as PF.

Different sites can report differently so it definately can be debated but I gave you three sources that say he can be considered a PF. I am not sure which source Mile High is using, (I thought nba.com but I believe Sheed is listed as C there), but you can ask him about it if you feel so adament.

Beyond that you can take the case to Mile High, but he has consistently been using the same site.

CowboysKB24
09-08-2008, 03:36 PM
Bynum LOL. Who cares.

SensandRaps
09-08-2008, 03:51 PM
Jo

ugafan
09-08-2008, 04:05 PM
If you ask me which Center I would take off the of list, I would without a doubt pick Bynum.

:rolleyes:

BigRudy345
09-08-2008, 04:10 PM
Bogut is going to be number 2 next season.... dont forget he is a former no.1 overall pick

hockeypro68
09-08-2008, 04:15 PM
Kaman deserves this one, but I KNOW every lakerfan on the forum is going to vote for bynum, and bynum is going to win.

barreleffact
09-08-2008, 04:19 PM
dalembert, bynum, or kaman. and al jeff is a 4. hes waaay too short to play 5

-LakeSHOW24/7-
09-08-2008, 04:21 PM
Bogut is going to be number 2 next season.... dont forget he is a former no.1 overall pick

oh you live in future.i see you cant remember kwa-may brown.he was the worst no.1 draft pick ever.i dont care that bogut was first draft pick.who cares about some bogut dude.bynum is the future.

fins08
09-08-2008, 04:24 PM
Chandler

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 04:27 PM
How is Shaq tied with Kaman? Shaq is no doubt the better player in his career, but right NOW, as the poll wants us to compare the players in, Kaman is no doubt better than Shaq.

ShaunRiching9
09-08-2008, 04:39 PM
Bynum is not the future hes might have 2 or 3 good years then wash up and bogut has already proven hes better then kwame also Dwight is the future of nba Centers

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Lmfao...I'm a Lakers fan, behind the Knicks, and I know that Bynum isn't the 4th best center in the NBA...people, use your brains and what you know about each player...not vote for the player who is on your team...Bynum was good last year-13, 10, and 2 but Kaman was better-18, 13, 1.5? Bynum has a very bright future, but there is no way in hell he is the 4th best center in the NBA right now.

astrosmaniac
09-08-2008, 04:44 PM
**** bynum haters.he is definetly in top 5 centers in the league.and in this upcoming nba season he will be nr.2 behind Superman.mark my words.bynum=beast, both ends of the floor.

this is exactly whats wrong with this forum

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 04:45 PM
this is exactly whats wrong with this forum
I agree with you 100% People are just voting for players from their team. Bynum is not the 4th best Center in the NBA yet...in a few years, yea he will be, but not yet.

Antbanks21
09-08-2008, 04:46 PM
Kaman deserves this one, but I KNOW every lakerfan on the forum is going to vote for bynum, and bynum is going to win.

Bynum will win because he is the better Center... and also look at the stats for their only meeting against each other
......................Min....FGM-A..REB...AST..BLK....PTS
Chris Kaman.......38.....6-19.....16......3.....0......18
Andrew Bynum....31.....7-9.......9.......3.....6......14

Bynum did not only take less than half the shots Kaman shot but also made more.
I know its only one game but you'll see for yourself what i'm talking about once the season starts.

Rome
09-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Bynum is the future.

He may be the "future" but its the #4 Center in the game today and he's not even top 5.

Idk its close between Kaman, JO and Shaq.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Stop being ignorant Lakers fans for a second...Kaman is no doubt better than Bynum.

hockeypro68
09-08-2008, 04:55 PM
Stop being ignorant Lakers fans for a second...Kaman is no doubt better than Bynum.

Thank You!




Bynum will win because he is the better Center...

And you're crazy. I have absolutely nothing against Bynum. I agree he is a great young talent, showed a lot of improvement last season, and has the potential to be an Allstar Center. Still though, I don't think Bynum is as good as Kaman just yet. And with Brand gone, the Clippers' frontcourt scoring will be mainly produced by Kaman, whereas Bynum will have to split many of his points with Pau. Kaman is a better shotblocker, a better shooter, is quicker, and more agile.

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 04:55 PM
Andrew Bynum WTF Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He plays forty games and becomes the 4th best C?

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 04:56 PM
Homerism Out The ***

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 05:15 PM
This vote should have been open to only non partial voters...or people who can vote without having to vote for the player on their team...

BullsNumber1Fan
09-08-2008, 05:27 PM
Just looking at the stats:


Chris Kaman: 16 PPG 13 RPG 2.5+ BPG
Andrew Bynum: 13 PPG 10 RPG ?? BPG

Based on the stats Kaman is EASILY better. All these people voting for AB17 are just homers.

BullsNumber1Fan
09-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Bynum will win because he is the better Center... and also look at the stats for their only meeting against each other
......................Min....FGM-A..REB...AST..BLK....PTS
Chris Kaman.......38.....6-19.....16......3.....0......18
Andrew Bynum....31.....7-9.......9.......3.....6......14

Bynum did not only take less than half the shots Kaman shot but also made more.
I know its only one game but you'll see for yourself what i'm talking about once the season starts.

Wow ONE game.:rolleyes: Look at the season stats.

rhino17
09-08-2008, 05:30 PM
Andrew Bynum? is this a joke? the guy has a good month and he is the 4th best center in the nba? Laker homers have obviosly already decided this vote

My vote goes to Andrew Bogut, the most underrated center in the nba

FortyDubs
09-08-2008, 05:35 PM
Accidentally voted for Diesel but it should most definitely be Kaman, I really can't believe that Bynum is going to win this. Lakers fans take it to a whole new level on this one, cute.

Cavs_Fan24
09-08-2008, 05:39 PM
This is honestly sad because Andrew Bynum is NOT the 4th best center in the NBA. I dont even consider him top 5. But he's gonna get voted 4th cuz of all these ****ing stuck up laker fans that think he's the best **** that's happened to LA since Shaq. Newflash Laker fans, HE AINT THAT ****ING GREAT! He's a slitely above average center and is not better then half the players on that list.

Excuse my language but this Andrew Bynum crap is seriously a bunch of ****ing bull and im tired of it

everyone can think or say whatever the heck they want, but beside 99% of these stupid laker fans that think this about Bynum, everyone else knows IM RIGHT!

:bs::mad:

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 05:44 PM
This Homeristic forum went to a waste with this *****
I can name three better Centers....
Kaman, Camby, Shaq, and IMO and Homeristic Chandler.

Antbanks21
09-08-2008, 05:51 PM
Wow ONE game.:rolleyes: Look at the season stats.

Bynum"s stats aren't that high because he only started 25 out of 35 games and only played 28 MPG while Kaman started 55/56 games and played 37 MPG
lets not forget that Elton Brand got injured the whole season which meant that Kaman had to have a way bigger role on the team and had to take more shots. take Kobe away from the Lakers with an injury and Bynum's role on the team and numbers will increase BIG

Cavs_Fan24
09-08-2008, 05:58 PM
Bynum"s stats aren't that high because he only started 25 out of 35 games and only played 28 MPG while Kaman started 55/56 games and played 37 MPG
lets not forget that Elton Brand got injured the whole season which meant that Kaman had to have a way bigger role on the team and had to take more shots. take Kobe away from the Lakers with an injury and Bynum's role on the team and numbers will increase BIG

of course his stats are gonna be "BIG" cuz your a laker fan and anything can happen in lala land right?

:D

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 05:59 PM
I got banned for cursing out the Fakers, id do it again to

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 06:01 PM
Tyson Chandlers 07-08 Stats- 50 PPG 10 APG 20 RPG!!
Bynum- 1.1 PPG .6 APG 5 RPG

Antbanks21
09-08-2008, 06:04 PM
of course his stats are gonna be "BIG" cuz your a laker fan and anything can happen in lala land right?

:D

yea and i'm sorry nothing happens in Cleveland :D

bigmac8675
09-08-2008, 06:04 PM
I went with Tyson Chandler, Bynum should not even be voted for.

Doesnt even deserve to be on this list yet.

Def not Top 10.

Its ridiculous how "basketball fans" are voting for him.

Out of the Top 10 is a little harsh... but he is def. not top 5.


**** bynum haters.he is definetly in top 5 centers in the league.and in this upcoming nba season he will be nr.2 behind Superman.mark my words.bynum=beast, both ends of the floor.

I will believe it when I can see that kind of production over an entire season.

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 06:06 PM
bynum is top 10 not top 5 and ty for voting Chandler

cmoneytakemoney
09-08-2008, 06:13 PM
Where is Kendrick Perkins? He's done more in his career than Bynum so far. WTF

Cavs_Fan24
09-08-2008, 06:18 PM
yea and i'm sorry nothing happens in Cleveland :D

Yeah, except getting Mo Williams right?:confused:

Oh yeh, and i remember the Cavaliers winning more games against the Celtics then the Lakers did. In fact, the Hawks won more games. Sorry just thought i'd bring that up so you'd feel bad about the Lakers being worse the Atlanta.

Just sayin:D

bogdanrom
09-08-2008, 06:22 PM
Right now Chris Kaman is better than Bynum, but of course Bynum will win because there are more Lakers fans here.

Cavs_Fan24
09-08-2008, 06:25 PM
Right now Chris Kaman is better than Bynum, but of course Bynum will win because there are more Lakers fans here.

tell me about it!!

that's why i hate these polls sometimes cuz whatever team has the most fans, their players get more votes.

Indi23
09-08-2008, 06:30 PM
How is Shaq tied with Kaman? Shaq is no doubt the better player in his career, but right NOW, as the poll wants us to compare the players in, Kaman is no doubt better than Shaq.

For point and board production kaman is but Shaq is still the big 350 pound presence and he can still push people out of the way(not like he used to i know but still)

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 06:32 PM
if there was a poll saying
Cp3/Wade/Lebron/Amare/Howard

VS

Lakers real rosters, Lakers would win

cmellofan15
09-08-2008, 06:37 PM
This is why I hate Lakers fans so much! Bynum has more votes than O'Neal(s), Camby, Kaman, Chandler, and Biedrins (who have all played more games than Bynum) and if it is about who is the best TODAY then Bynum shouldn't even be up there b/c he was injured.

Hawkeye15
09-08-2008, 06:39 PM
this thread shows you how many Laker fans are on this site. This is a joke. In 2-3 years, Bynum might be a top 4 center. Right now, no way at all.

kobe24>jordan23
09-08-2008, 06:45 PM
Bynum

THE NATION
09-08-2008, 06:45 PM
this thread shows you how many Laker fans are on this site. This is a joke. In 2-3 years, Bynum might be a top 4 center. Right now, no way at all.We are all over, and I love the fact that a lot of you hate it, but us Laker fans pretty much run this ****.

Vinny642
09-08-2008, 06:45 PM
U must have 50 Post to ride this RIDE!

Hawkeye15
09-08-2008, 06:56 PM
We are all over, and I love the fact that a lot of you hate it, but us Laker fans pretty much run this ****.

trust me, after seeing 253 pages on that Bynum thread, I know. But it is fine. To each his own.

Hawkeye15
09-08-2008, 06:57 PM
go ahead and close this thread, so we can laugh at #4, and move on already.

Rome
09-08-2008, 07:16 PM
Favoritism shouldn't count in these polls. Were trying to find the #4 best C in the L. Not the lakers fans favorite.

Hawkeye15
09-08-2008, 07:17 PM
Favoritism shouldn't count in these polls. Were trying to find the #4 best C in the L. Not the lakers fans favorite.

good luck with that.

THE NATION
09-08-2008, 07:17 PM
Favoritism shouldn't count in these polls. Were trying to find the #4 best C in the L. Not the lakers fans favorite.

What are u, an ESPN insider. Look at any poll on ESPN where they let fans vote and favoritism is all it is.

Rome
09-08-2008, 07:28 PM
What are u, an ESPN insider. Look at any poll on ESPN where they let fans vote and favoritism is all it is.

Your hilarious. I guess let the babies have their bottles.

Fact is Bynum isn't even top 5. Didn't have a full season under his belt last year and now we all have to see how he bounce's back from his injury.

THE NATION
09-08-2008, 07:34 PM
Your hilarious. I guess let the babies have their bottles.

Fact is Bynum isn't even top 5. Didn't have a full season under his belt last year and now we all have to see how he bounce's back from his injury.
Look at the poll, what makes you smarter than the 37 posters so far. Your in the same boat so you opinion doesn't mean anything to me. Bynum is 4th best and we have a poll to prove it. :clap:

ShaunRiching9
09-08-2008, 07:40 PM
funny how only laker fans think bynum is soo great

da wood
09-08-2008, 07:41 PM
Favoritism shouldn't count in these polls. Were trying to find the #4 best C in the L. Not the lakers fans favorite.

you now i've been on her all day looking at this pole develope and all i've heard on here is a bunch of complaining. i mean come on guys you say oh andrew is only getting number 4 because all the laker fans are voting him in. come on guys if we were really doing that ****. drew would have been the number one damn center selected. derrick fisher would have been the damn number one point gaurd selected pau would be number one. and i think you get the damn picture so your guy didn't get selected move on vote for him next time at 5. and for the record just because kaman put up better number does not make him a better player than drew. that just means he gets more shots at the basket. and played more minutes remember drew wasn't even the starter for alot of the eason and then got minimul mins when he was sharing minutes with kwame. till phil had no choice but to let him ball out of control. and at that point his numbers were better than krises. i'm not here to argue with anybody but i was getting tired of the damn cryin.let move on to number 5 already nobodies gonna catch drew.

crew158
09-08-2008, 07:49 PM
Bynum is better than all of the bums left on this list.

yaowowrocket11
09-08-2008, 07:51 PM
I voted Bogut, one of the best true centers in the league.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 08:01 PM
All of the homer Lakers fans who think their players are the best in the NBA at each position ruined the poll...

rapswin98
09-08-2008, 08:02 PM
bynum:pity:

Rome
09-08-2008, 08:04 PM
Look at the poll, what makes you smarter than the 37 posters so far. Your in the same boat so you opinion doesn't mean anything to me. Bynum is 4th best and we have a poll to prove it. :clap:

Never said I was smarter. The poll doesn't mean ****. Except that A LOT of Homer lakers fans voted and maybe a few non laker fans.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Bynum and I believe he will be top five soon enough but IMO he's not there yet. PSD forums he's #4 but NBA he's 5-10 IMO.

Ill be sold with a full healthy season and seeing how he plays next to Pau. And great play of course.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 08:06 PM
I say we have a revote...or can you just please put Kaman as the 4th because everyone here, besides all the Lakers fans, know that Kaman is the 4th best center in the NBA...

THE NATION
09-08-2008, 08:17 PM
I say we have a revote...or can you just please put Kaman as the 4th because everyone here, besides all the Lakers fans, know that Kaman is the 4th best center in the NBA...

Hey this is the PSD list and Laker fans are a big part of PSD. If you want to see Kaman 4th then go find another list that has him 4th and that will make you feel better.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 08:24 PM
I understand that and I have no problem with Lakers fans who are smart and know other players in the NBA besides those on their team. There is a world outside of Los Angeles...oddly enough, the Clippers are in L.A. and they have the TRUE 4th best center in the NBA...hands down. Honestly, you can't even argue that he isn't...

da wood
09-08-2008, 08:26 PM
thats so funny like i said if the laker fans dominated as everyone say they do then why isn't bynum ranked first among all centers so stop. yall sounding real bitter and bias right now.

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
09-08-2008, 08:31 PM
Z!

da wood
09-08-2008, 08:31 PM
as a laker fan i do believe the clips are our jv team in hense i watch them and follow them too and i seen kris play alot he did alot better this past year and improved his game alot. but i'm sure all of these people that voted for drew based thier choice on watch kris and drew go head to head where as you probly didn't see that and to be honest drew dominated him. where as the numbers doesn't show the reality is intact. drew did this being our third option at the time and kris was the clips go to man and he should have put up way better numbers if the offense is run through you as it is kris. so don't let stats fool you.

da wood
09-08-2008, 08:35 PM
as a laker fan i be in the laker forum alot because every time i come in the nba form i tend to get into it with ol boy jordansbulls now thats a bias cat if i ever seen one. but back to what i was saying if you would have been in the laker form at all last summer. nobody was bashed more than drew i mean nobody. so if he recieved laker fans vote you best believe its because he damn earned it. because the hating yall doin to bynum right now is nothing compared to wht the laker players go through in the lake land. and i say close this thread with that.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 08:35 PM
One game doesn't mean ****. Everyone knows that a certain player can play better one night, and have a horrible night the next-a la Eddy Curry. I'm not saying Bynum will not be a top 3 center in years to come, but right now he isn't even the second option on his team...Kaman put up better numbers last year throughout the entire season. Last I checked, 16 and 13 is better than 13 and 10, though I could be wrong. I am also a Lakers fan, behind the Knicks though, and I even have the brains to realize that Bynum is not the 4th best center in the NBA now...in 3-4 years, I would say he would be third behind Yao, if he can stay healthy, and Howard. But, every intelligent, unbiased person, knows that Kaman is a better player than Bynum NOW.

phillyphan4ever
09-08-2008, 08:45 PM
4. Kaman
5. Chandler
6. O'Neal
7. Bogut
8. Bynum

no way bynum is the 4th best Center in the league

LA_cabals
09-08-2008, 08:46 PM
According to Hollinger's Player Rankings Bynum rank 4th, after Howard, Jefferson, Ming, if you do not count Duncan and Stoudemire as centers.


Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - Center
RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER
1 Amare Stoudemire, PHO 79 33.9 .590 .805 .656 6.5 9.6 24.7 8.2 21.1 15.2 27.61
2 Tim Duncan, SAS 78 34.0 .497 .730 .546 12.3 10.0 25.7 10.7 28.3 19.6 24.41
3 Dwight Howard, ORL 82 37.7 .599 .590 .619 6.3 15.1 21.4 10.9 31.6 21.7 22.98
4 Al Jefferson, MIN 82 35.6 .500 .721 .535 6.2 8.8 25.1 11.9 24.7 18.1 22.80
5 Yao Ming, HOU 55 37.2 .507 .850 .587 9.6 13.6 25.1 9.6 22.9 16.4 22.61
6 Andrew Bynum, LAL 35 28.8 .636 .695 .659 13.2 11.3 16.2 12.0 26.5 19.6 22.60
7 Andris Biedrins, GSW 76 27.4 .626 .620 .637 9.6 10.8 13.2 12.6 26.1 19.1 19.18
8 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, CLE 73 30.5 .474 .802 .522 8.5 11.0 21.3 13.1 22.1 17.5 18.76
9 Brendan Haywood, WAS 80 27.8 .528 .735 .582 7.8 11.9 15.9 14.0 16.4 15.2 18.37
10 Chris Kaman, LAC 56 37.2 .483 .762 .538 9.8 15.1 19.6 9.5 30.1 19.7 17.62
11 Tyson Chandler, NOR 79 35.3 .623 .593 .632 8.5 14.3 13.3 13.2 26.0 19.5 17.56
12 Andrew Bogut, MIL 78 34.9 .511 .587 .532 14.0 12.1 19.2 10.2 23.4 16.5 17.55
13 Marcus Camby, LAC 79 34.9 .450 .708 .498 23.5 10.7 12.5 9.2 31.0 20.3 17.24
14 Shaquille O'Neal, PHO 61 28.7 .593 .503 .589 9.5 18.5 22.5 11.4 25.1 18.5 17.17
15 Brad Miller, SAC 72 34.9 .463 .848 .558 20.4 12.7 17.3 8.0 23.7 16.0 16.82
16 Rasho Nesterovic, IND 71 20.9 .550 .755 .565 13.0 9.5 15.9 10.3 17.0 13.7 16.23
17 Nazr Mohammed, CHA 82 20.1 .515 .583 .533 9.3 13.1 15.7 13.5 21.1 17.3 15.85
18 Kris Humphries, TOR 70 13.3 .483 .605 .512 6.1 10.2 19.6 11.4 21.7 16.5 15.72
19 Jeff Foster, IND 77 24.5 .550 .593 .568 20.5 9.9 10.9 14.9 23.8 19.3 15.69
20 Samuel Dalembert, PHI 82 33.2 .513 .707 .556 4.6 15.9 14.1 13.1 24.0 18.5 15.62
21 Joakim Noah, CHI 74 20.7 .482 .691 .539 13.4 14.2 14.7 12.4 18.4 15.3 15.54
22 Andray Blatche, WAS 82 20.5 .474 .695 .512 11.4 13.9 18.3 11.2 18.8 14.9 15.52
23 Erick Dampier, DAL 72 24.4 .643 .575 .645 13.0 16.5 10.3 14.1 21.2 17.7 15.37
24 Mehmet Okur, UTH 72 33.2 .445 .804 .556 12.2 8.7 18.2 6.8 21.5 14.2 15.24
25 Eddy Curry, NYK 59 25.9 .546 .623 .578 3.8 15.1 21.4 8.0 12.6 10.2 15.08
26 Ronny Turiaf, GSW 78 18.7 .474 .753 .539 18.9 10.6 15.7 7.5 15.4 11.6 15.05
27 Stromile Swift, NJN 56 15.0 .509 .670 .548 6.7 13.1 15.7 8.6 18.3 13.4 14.84
28 Al Horford, ATL 81 31.3 .498 .731 .539 12.1 13.4 15.0 11.4 24.6 18.0 14.73
29 Dikembe Mutombo, HOU 39 15.8 .538 .711 .591 4.1 14.0 7.8 12.6 23.5 18.2 14.51
30 Jermaine O'Neal, TOR 42 28.7 .439 .742 .489 11.9 13.5 22.6 7.2 18.5 12.7 14.40

Now i'm not saying that Hollinger's rankings are the final word, but at least he provides a UNBIASED reasoning behind his rankings that is uniformly calculated towards everyone.

ESPN: Hollinger's Player Rankings (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&qual=true&pos=c&seasonType=2&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fsort%3dper%26qual%3dtr ue%26pos%3dc%26seasonType%3d2)

op12
09-08-2008, 08:47 PM
bynum will be top 5 eventually but not now. him winning by such a large margin is pathetic. seriously, i am a celtics fan and i know perk is not top 10 and not even close to most of the guys on this list. bynum will be good but please vote for who is the best now. these lists are cool to do until everybody starts being stupid.

IversonIsKrazy
09-08-2008, 08:51 PM
r u kidding me. y did u post bynum on the poll so early, u should have put him at the 6th. Jermaine O'Neal deserves this 1. O'Neals worst season so far is better than bynums best.

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 09:05 PM
Aside from Cabels post, the last posts I agree with 100%. You have to understand, although Hollinger is unbiased, those ratings are just based on PER. You cannot say how good a player is until he plays more than 40 games at a high level...until Bynum plays a full season, and averages at least 16 and 13, I'll say Kaman is better...however, Bynum is no doubt going to be one of the top centers in the NBA...that time is not now tho.

theimortalone
09-08-2008, 09:06 PM
Why is bynum up her already, and getting so many votes? He has not proved himself. Once he goes through a whole year of 82 games then we can talk about him being the #4 Center.

Afridi786
09-08-2008, 09:10 PM
lmao ****in homers, all cuz he did in one or two months b4 being out for the season.

Westbrook36
09-08-2008, 09:15 PM
Mile High Camp, You cant let Andrew Bynum win..It's totally not fair for a player who played what 30 games? He shouldnt be on the list with all the Laker Fans

Westbrook36
09-08-2008, 09:16 PM
thats so funny like i said if the laker fans dominated as everyone say they do then why isn't bynum ranked first among all centers so stop. yall sounding real bitter and bias right now.

He would of been number one if Mile High Camp put him on the list :pity:

knicks1214
09-08-2008, 09:16 PM
Mile High Camp, You cant let Andrew Bynum win..It's totally not fair for a player who played what 30 games? He shouldnt be on the list with all the Laker Fans

Lol, I already messaged him about that...he shouldn't be on the top 4 list...maybe not top 5 but after that, I'm fine with him on the list.

dre1990
09-08-2008, 09:17 PM
i went with Tyson, but it could go either way beetween him and Kaman

lukeem21
09-08-2008, 09:17 PM
Write In Vote For - Greg Oden!!!!

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 09:21 PM
bynum FTW

theimortalone
09-08-2008, 09:21 PM
He would of been number one if Mile High Camp put him on the list :pity:

Yeah, that is very dispicible! I am so glad he wasnt on that list!

Mile High Champ
09-08-2008, 09:31 PM
What do people suggest I do. Remove Him from the poll and start over? Need to figure this out but dont want to piss off the entire laker board. Need some input here. Im tempted to remove Bynum from the pole and start again at number 4....

theimortalone
09-08-2008, 09:37 PM
What do people suggest I do. Remove Him from the poll and start over? Need to figure this out but dont want to piss off the entire laker board. Need some input here. Im tempted to remove Bynum from the pole and start again at number 4....

I honestly think that would be the best thing to do bro, because look at the votes....Bynum already has 40+ votes and he has doubled everyone else. We all know that all the Laker fans will vote for Bynum. That is a given. A guy who has not proved anything, except for in only 30 games should not be in the Top 4. That is my opinion.

astrosmaniac
09-08-2008, 09:43 PM
i agree, at most he should be #7, so take him off the poll till then. kaman, bogut, and either Big Z or JO are better than him right now

kid#8
09-08-2008, 09:48 PM
What do people suggest I do. Remove Him from the poll and start over? Need to figure this out but dont want to piss off the entire laker board. Need some input here. Im tempted to remove Bynum from the pole and start again at number 4....

i don't like the fact that ANDREW BYNUM should be remove from the list our entire laker forum will be bashing this thread...

RocketsRule
09-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Bynum is definently not the number 4 center in the game. It's probably Kaman. Kaman, puts up a solid 15 points per game, with his solid post game and hustle points. He pulls down an outstanding 12 rebounds per game, in the top 3 in rebounds per game. Kaman has great defense as well, blocking a remarkable 3 shots a game. Chris is a terrific all-around center, that only should get better.

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 09:51 PM
Nah thats bull crap, don't take him out of the list because all of you laker haters think bynum is overated....he got the votes simple as that...if you take him out, then you should take everyone out of the list.....even if bynum was on the list for 1,2, i would still vote for D12/Yao/ in that order....

PhxGiant
09-08-2008, 09:52 PM
The top 5 spots should be reserved for players that played a certain amount of games. 30 games is way too low to be a top 5 center, thats not even half the season. Maybe the game minimum for the top 5 spots should be 50-60, atleast thats more than half the season.

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 09:53 PM
BYNUM Must be removed. Sorry Laker fans, Your fan base might be mad but come on and be logical. Andre Bynum is not the 4 best center in the NBA

Kaman
Zydrunas
Camby
Chandler
Bogut
SHAQ
Biedrins
Brad Miller

ALL Better as of RIGHT NOW


BYNUM barely played. 4TH BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON LAKER FANS. YOUR BETTER THAN THAT. I Love the Celtics i wouldnt vote Perk 4th best center. Or even top 10. COME ON!!!!!!!!! Camby should win this imo

theimortalone
09-08-2008, 10:12 PM
And Bynum just keeps on getting votes. Closest man is Kaman, and he is over 20 votes away.

kid#8
09-08-2008, 10:16 PM
Nah thats bull crap, don't take him out of the list because all of you laker haters think bynum is overated....he got the votes simple as that...if you take him out, then you should take everyone out of the list.....even if bynum was on the list for 1,2, i would still vote for D12/Yao/ in that order....

Thats what I'm talking about... I mean It's not just that were LAKER fans that were making a bias votes... I still go for Dwight - Yao at the top of the list even if bynum was there...:mad:

BowDown32
09-08-2008, 10:17 PM
**** bynum haters.he is definetly in top 5 centers in the league.and in this upcoming nba season he will be nr.2 behind Superman.mark my words.bynum=beast, both ends of the floor.

HAHAHAHA come on Laker fans.. dude is good but give me a break. This is too funny.

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Slim pickings here. I'd say Kaman based off of production.

How does a center that shoots less than 50% from the field, deserve to be in the top 4?

BowDown32
09-08-2008, 10:19 PM
This is absolutely ****in ridiculous. How is Bynum the 4th best centre in the NBA?? Seriously... ppl who know basketball know this kid aint the 4th best. GO ASK KOBE AND PHIL if they think he is that good. They would give him love but come on he aint close to that good. He would get eaten up by half these guys, especially if he was on another team... god this makes me angry.

BowDown32
09-08-2008, 10:22 PM
BYNUM Must be removed. Sorry Laker fans, Your fan base might be mad but come on and be logical. Andre Bynum is not the 4 best center in the NBA

Kaman
Zydrunas
Camby
Chandler
Bogut
SHAQ
Biedrins
Brad Miller

ALL Better as of RIGHT NOW


BYNUM barely played. 4TH BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON LAKER FANS. YOUR BETTER THAN THAT. I Love the Celtics i wouldnt vote Perk 4th best center. Or even top 10. COME ON!!!!!!!!! Camby should win this imo

Yessir... Camby is my vote and he is sitting with 9 votes. Defensive player of the year... oh wait Bynum played 30 games so he must be better

bogdanrom
09-08-2008, 10:25 PM
thats so funny like i said if the laker fans dominated as everyone say they do then why isn't bynum ranked first among all centers so stop. yall sounding real bitter and bias right now.

First of all he wasn't on the first list, or second list if I remember. But also if you thing that Bynum is better than Yao or Dwight you need to be banned. Plus why are people getting so pissed off about a PSD poll. It proves nothing. Just because Bynum will be voted as the 4th best center by PSD poster doesn't mean that he really is 4th best. To me all these polls are popularity contests.

theimortalone
09-08-2008, 10:27 PM
Yessir... Camby is my vote and he is sitting with 9 votes. Defensive player of the year... oh wait Bynum played 30 games so he must be better

Yeah man I agree Camby should be #4. I cant believe he only has 9 votes! What the hell is going on!

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2008, 10:32 PM
This is absolutely ****in ridiculous. How is Bynum the 4th best centre in the NBA?? Seriously... ppl who know basketball know this kid aint the 4th best. GO ASK KOBE AND PHIL if they think he is that good. They would give him love but come on he aint close to that good. He would get eaten up by half these guys, especially if he was on another team... god this makes me angry.

Andrew Bynum against Bogut:

25 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 77% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Amare:

28 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocked shots, 85% shooting

14 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 70% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Andris Biedrins:

20 points, 11 rebounds, 5 blocked shots, 65% shooting

17 points, 16 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 80% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Marcus Camby:

12 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 63% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Chris Kaman:

14 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocked shots, 79% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Jermaine O'neal:

17 points, 10 rebounds, 4 blocked shots, 100% shooting (Jermaine shot 30%)

Andrew Bynum against Samuel Dalembert:

17 points, 16 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 75% shooting

Andrew Bynum looks pretty good when he gets eaten up :D

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:39 PM
Andrew Bynum against Bogut:

25 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 77% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Amare:

28 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocked shots, 85% shooting

14 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 70% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Andris Biedrins:

20 points, 11 rebounds, 5 blocked shots, 65% shooting

17 points, 16 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 80% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Marcus Camby:

12 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 63% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Chris Kaman:

14 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocked shots, 79% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Jermaine O'neal:

17 points, 10 rebounds, 4 blocked shots, 100% shooting (Jermaine shot 30%)

Andrew Bynum against Samuel Dalembert:

17 points, 16 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 75% shooting

Andrew Bynum looks pretty good when he gets eaten up :D


Dude...Im not debating whether or not Bynum looked good in the limited time he played. We all know he looked damn good. BUT FOURTH BEST!!! You guys gunna vote for ODEN to who hasnt even played a game yet?? You wanna go an put Bynum in the Hall of Fame as well. Why not he played good and put up good numbers in limited games as a rookie. Lets just automatically give em and 09 allstar game spot RIGHT NOW.. come on.

He shouldnt be on this list.

MILE HIGH....your a smart man. i believe you will make the right decision.

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:42 PM
First of all he wasn't on the first list, or second list if I remember. But also if you thing that Bynum is better than Yao or Dwight you need to be banned. Plus why are people getting so pissed off about a PSD poll. It proves nothing. Just because Bynum will be voted as the 4th best center by PSD poster doesn't mean that he really is 4th best. To me all these polls are popularity contests.

:clap::clap:


Your totally right. Why should we get mad?? Becuase PSD has more Laker fans registered?? This poll means diddly SQUAT. But at the same time these are the people we chat with and argue with and debate with. Id like to think they had more sense and knowledge. Being a homer and a fan is one thing.BUT MY GOD!!!! Bynum is not the fourth best center. BYNUM HIMSELF WOULD TELL ANYONE IN THE WORLD HE ISNT THE FOURTH BEST CENTER. lol...people are such silly gooses :pity:

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 10:43 PM
If he is taken off the list, then all laker fans who voted for bynum should all agree to vote for Okur or Biedrins for #4....LOL

Raps18-19 Champ
09-08-2008, 10:45 PM
I wanna know how Bynum is better than Shaq, Tyson, Jermaine, Kaman

All he got is 12 pnts 10 reb for HALF A SEASON

if he played a whole season he would get like 14 points 11 rebounds

Kaman and tyson averaged better than him

shaq averaged similar numbers as him

Jermaine was just under him in rebounds

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2008, 10:46 PM
Dude...Im not debating whether or not Bynum looked good in the limited time he played. We all know he looked damn good. BUT FOURTH BEST!!! You guys gunna vote for ODEN to who hasnt even played a game yet?? You wanna go an put Bynum in the Hall of Fame as well. Why not he played good and put up good numbers in limited games as a rookie. Lets just automatically give em and 09 allstar game spot RIGHT NOW.. come on.

He shouldnt be on this list.

MILE HIGH....your a smart man. i believe you will make the right decision.

I was responding to the other person who said Bynum would get eaten up by half the people on this list when in reality, he has done extremely well against them and even outplayed them.

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:47 PM
If he is taken off the list, then all laker fans who voted for bynum should all agree to vote for Okur or Biedrins for #4....LOL

Dude.....as you sat there typed that comment do REALLY think Bynum is the fourth best center in the NBA.....REALLY NOW?????

And hell vote for Okur or Biedrins. They both deserve to be higher than Bynum at this current time. Bynum played limited games, looked good, and hasnt been seen since and now hes THE BEST!!!!!!. ahh gimme a break

kid#8
09-08-2008, 10:48 PM
If he is taken off the list, then all laker fans who voted for bynum should all agree to vote for Okur or Biedrins for #4....LOL

If he's been taken off darko should take his slot in their....lol..

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:48 PM
I was responding to the other person who said Bynum would get eaten up by half the people on this list when in reality, he has done extremely well against them and even outplayed them.

yea i know :D i was well aware of that

Im just tryna to say the stats dont matter. Any legit NBA fan knows Bynum looked and played well. He looked like he could become the fourth best center in the game. HE ISNT THERE YET. Thats all. It just confuses me. Thats all.

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2008, 10:49 PM
I wanna know how Bynum is better than Shaq, Tyson, Jermaine, Kaman

All he got is 12 pnts 10 reb for HALF A SEASON

if he played a whole season he would get like 14 points 11 rebounds

Kaman and tyson averaged better than him

shaq averaged similar numbers as him

Jermaine was just under him in rebounds

Tyson averaged 12 PPG and 12 RPG as a starter and Bynum averaged 15 PPG and 11 RPG as a starter.

BTW--Kaman averaged more points, but he shot 48% from the field, which isn't good for a center (Bynum shot 64%).

BillyHoyle35
09-08-2008, 10:49 PM
:06-07 season
Kwame Brown had higher averages than Bynum, and he has often started over him. that should discredit him for life!

Bynum played 35 games last season and started only 25, no way is that top 4 material.

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:50 PM
If he's been taken off darko should take his slot in their....lol..

and then ur account should be deleted for actually and truly believing deep down in your pathetic heart that Andrew "All Hype' Bynum is the fourth best center in the National Basketball Association.

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2008, 10:51 PM
:06-07 season
Kwame Brown had higher averages than Bynum, and he has often started over him. that should discredit him for life!

Bynum played 35 games last season and started only 25, no way is that top 4 material.

I thought this was for the 08-09 season. :rolleyes:

Raps18-19 Champ
09-08-2008, 10:51 PM
Andrew Bynum against Bogut:

25 points, 17 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 77% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Amare:

28 points, 12 rebounds, 2 blocked shots, 85% shooting

14 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 70% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Andris Biedrins:

20 points, 11 rebounds, 5 blocked shots, 65% shooting

17 points, 16 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 80% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Marcus Camby:

12 points, 13 rebounds, 1 blocked shot, 63% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Chris Kaman:

14 points, 9 rebounds, 6 blocked shots, 79% shooting

Andrew Bynum against Jermaine O'neal:

17 points, 10 rebounds, 4 blocked shots, 100% shooting (Jermaine shot 30%)

Andrew Bynum against Samuel Dalembert:

17 points, 16 rebounds, 3 blocked shots, 75% shooting

Andrew Bynum looks pretty good when he gets eaten up :D

U forgot this one:

Andrew Bynum against Candice Parker

4 points(2 for 20)(also got blocked 8 times),3 Rebounds, 1 Block, in 48 minutes of play

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 10:53 PM
Dude.....as you sat there typed that comment do REALLY think Bynum is the fourth best center in the NBA.....REALLY NOW?????

And hell vote for Okur or Biedrins. They both deserve to be higher than Bynum at this current time. Bynum played limited games, looked good, and hasnt been seen since and now hes THE BEST!!!!!!. ahh gimme a break

Yes I do think he is the 4th best center in the league and that is my own opinion and i should be entitled to that...you may agree or not its up to you.....Us laker fans think he is better then the rest of the players on the list because we actually see laker games 24/7....have you even seen bynum play on a consistent basis?

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:53 PM
U forgot this one:

Andrew Bynum against Candice Parker

4 points(2 for 20)(also got blocked 8 times),3 Rebounds, 1 Block, in 48 minutes of play

ouch.................

BillyHoyle35
09-08-2008, 10:53 PM
Tyson averaged 12 PPG and 12 RPG as a starter and Bynum averaged 15 PPG and 11 RPG as a starter.

BTW--Kaman averaged more points, but he shot 48% from the field, which isn't good for a center (Bynum shot 64%).

Kaman played on a team with no perimeter threats, hence the opposition could clog the middle giving him more problems, (also no other real inside presence)

now Bynum really faces that with Kobe and Odom and Gasol, certainly easier to get a good look.

Also if he was so great why did he come of the bench?
A top 4 center should not be off the bench! :)

Raps18-19 Champ
09-08-2008, 10:54 PM
Tyson averaged 12 PPG and 12 RPG as a starter and Bynum averaged 15 PPG and 11 RPG as a starter.

BTW--Kaman averaged more points, but he shot 48% from the field, which isn't good for a center (Bynum shot 64%).

It would be harder for tyson to keep his stats at a high lvl because he played way more games than bynum

like i said if bynum played more games, he would have a Fg% of somewhere around 50-55%

BillyHoyle35
09-08-2008, 10:55 PM
I thought this was for the 08-09 season. :rolleyes:

im just saying, the man was behind Kwame Brown...
and Kwame did start some games for the lakers this past season before he was traded...

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 10:55 PM
Yes I do think he is the 4th best center in the league and that is my own opinion and i should be entitled to that...you may agree or not its up to you.....Us laker fans think he is better then the rest of the players on the list because we actually see laker games 24/7....have you even seen bynum play on a consistent basis?

u mean a 25 game consistent basis??? Dude barely even played? So lemme get this straight. Only a quarter of a season and that means fourth best??? His stats were pretty good. Cant deny that. But he gotta do it a whole year... and year after year until im a believer. I cant just take a handful of games and start declaring players top 5 at their position. COME ON.

BillyHoyle35
09-08-2008, 10:58 PM
Danny Fortson had a season of 16 and 16 (pts, boards)
now he must of been a beast that season!

astrosmaniac
09-08-2008, 11:00 PM
Danny Fortson had a season of 16 and 16 (pts, boards)
now he must of been a beast that season!

ZOMG, he must be the #4 best C in the league ;)

hockeypro68
09-08-2008, 11:05 PM
What do people suggest I do. Remove Him from the poll and start over? Need to figure this out but dont want to piss off the entire laker board. Need some input here. Im tempted to remove Bynum from the pole and start again at number 4....

I agree, I think we should redo this poll with the options being Kaman, Bogut, JO, Shaq, and Chandler. The rest really don't deserve to even be considered at #4

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 11:07 PM
ZOMG, he must be the #4 best C in the league ;)

LOL


Laker Fans just dont get it.

We all know the few games Bynum played he looked good.

The thing is you cant name players top 5 at their position after a handful of games.

If D. Rose starts hot next season averagin a double double will he be a top PG....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bynum needs to be removed if were trying to be fair.

Shieldsz
09-08-2008, 11:07 PM
PSD's NBA FORUM

"Where Laker Homerism Happens"

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 11:08 PM
I agree, I think we should redo this poll with the options being Kaman, Bogut, JO, Shaq, and Chandler. The rest really don't deserve to even be considered at #4

I Agree although Zydrunas can be added in there as well...He is old but hes still a very good center.

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 11:12 PM
Even if Bynum didn't play a full regular season, hes on the list and he has the most votes to go at #4, stop crying, you guys are such babies...there was a poll a while back who has the best trio and the trio of tmac/artest/yao had more votes than kobe/gasol/odom when the trio of the rockets haven't played a single game together! ITS JUST A POLL deal with it

Rome
09-08-2008, 11:14 PM
And Bynum shooting 64% isn't saying anything. Played 35 games. Drop that ten if he played the whole season. You could take one shot in the NBA and make it. You'd be shooting 100% doesn't mean your the best.

Bynum will be up there eventually just not yet.

ttam68
09-08-2008, 11:18 PM
Not even a homer pick, Bynum.

I see at is:

4. Bynum
5. Tyson Chandler
6. Shaq

Shaq just isn't able to play enough minutes or be as consistent anymore, but he's still near the top for this year. Tough call between Bynum and Chandler. Chandler is a great defender, a consistent, team player, and a decent scorer through pick and rolls and putbacks. But, I would never post him up or trust him to run my offense. He's a fantastic role player, but if Bynum plays as he did last year he's the player I'd want to win a game right now. Lakers fans are homers on PSD, but thats not why Bynum wins here.

Rome
09-08-2008, 11:19 PM
Even if Bynum didn't play a full regular season, hes on the list and he has the most votes to go at #4, stop crying, you guys are such babies...there was a poll a while back who has the best trio and the trio of tmac/artest/yao had more votes than kobe/gasol/odom when the trio of the rockets haven't played a single game together! ITS JUST A POLL deal with it

Good point. Can we just figure this out and move on to number 5....

Indi23
09-08-2008, 11:25 PM
You should most likely continue this on a later date..? like all star break we'll know how to settle this than no?

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 11:36 PM
Even if Bynum didn't play a full regular season, hes on the list and he has the most votes to go at #4, stop crying, you guys are such babies...there was a poll a while back who has the best trio and the trio of tmac/artest/yao had more votes than kobe/gasol/odom when the trio of the rockets haven't played a single game together! ITS JUST A POLL deal with it

Easy for you to say. Your one of the no good homers many of us are referring to. The Poll means nothing. Bynum will get voted number 4 and guess what, No-one's life will change. Its just the mere fact that all you guys ACTUALLY believe it. I wish it was some kind of sick joke. Theres people that REALLY....an d i mean REALLY think Bynum is the fourth best center. But whatever. doesnt matter anyways i guess.

Bynum should literally register here.

He could find himself a good maid or butler.

BillyHoyle35
09-08-2008, 11:43 PM
Not even a homer pick, Bynum.

I see at is:

4. Bynum
5. Tyson Chandler
6. Shaq

Shaq just isn't able to play enough minutes or be as consistent anymore, but he's still near the top for this year. Tough call between Bynum and Chandler. Chandler is a great defender, a consistent, team player, and a decent scorer through pick and rolls and putbacks. But, I would never post him up or trust him to run my offense. He's a fantastic role player, but if Bynum plays as he did last year he's the player I'd want to win a game right now. Lakers fans are homers on PSD, but thats not why Bynum wins here.

odd you say that about shaq, when last season he played 61 games and played 1,748 minutes whilst the so called brilliant Bynum played 35 games and just 1,008 minutes.

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 11:47 PM
Easy for you to say. Your one of the no good homers many of us are referring to. The Poll means nothing. Bynum will get voted number 4 and guess what, No-one's life will change. Its just the mere fact that all you guys ACTUALLY believe it. I wish it was some kind of sick joke. Theres people that REALLY....an d i mean REALLY think Bynum is the fourth best center. But whatever. doesnt matter anyways i guess.

Bynum should literally register here.

He could find himself a good maid or butler.

Exactly, so stop your *****ing and complaining.

OzzieBear
09-08-2008, 11:51 PM
Is Chandler really leading this? Camby has outplayed him over the past couple years.

Nighthawk
09-08-2008, 11:52 PM
Exactly, so stop your *****ing and complaining.


STOP YOUR HOMERISM AND YOUR NON-KNOWLEDGE OF THE SPORT OF BASKETBALL.. I Come to these forums for fun debating and conversation. Its almost sad i have to debate Bynum the fourth best center in the NBA. He should be 8-10 IF THAT. he HASNT played. If you only have 30 games under your belt you dont even make the convo. He shouldnt be listed.

still1ballin
09-08-2008, 11:56 PM
Like you said night hawk, bynum is going to go at #4 and life goes on, nothing is going to change, so just move on to #5....homer or no homer, you think i give a rats *** what you think? please! stop crying

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 12:00 AM
Like you said night hawk, bynum is going to go at #4 and life goes on, nothing is going to change, so just move on to #5....homer or no homer, you think i give a rats *** what you think? please! stop crying


Crying??? lolol


No crying here champ, just logical reasoning. You cant even give a good excuse as to WHY bynum should be Fourth best. NO-1 can. Cuz no matter whats hes done its been limited time. IF THERE IS A GOD BYNUM WILL BE REMOVED AND THIS POLL WILL BE REMADE.

still1ballin
09-09-2008, 12:05 AM
Crying??? lolol


No crying here champ, just logical reasoning. You cant even give a good excuse as to WHY bynum should be Fourth best. NO-1 can. Cuz no matter whats hes done its been limited time. IF THERE IS A GOD BYNUM WILL BE REMOVED AND THIS POLL WILL BE REMADE.

Dude, stop being a hypocrite, one post you say that hes going to get #4, but it doesn't matter no ones life changed, and now you are crying to remake the poll. Dude, if it makes you happy tell Mile High Champ to take of andrew bynum to make you happy, im done talking to a little kid.

Shieldsz
09-09-2008, 12:05 AM
if bynum goes number 4 .. then you guys are blind with basketball.


Half of a season and hes number 4 best? ********.

Shaq, Camby,Kaman, and Chandler ALL should be ahead of Andrew "I have a lot of homers who vote for me undeservingly Bynum."

ARMIN12NBA
09-09-2008, 12:08 AM
LOL


Laker Fans just dont get it.

We all know the few games Bynum played he looked good.

The thing is you cant name players top 5 at their position after a handful of games.

If D. Rose starts hot next season averagin a double double will he be a top PG....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bynum needs to be removed if were trying to be fair.

He wouldn't because there is so much depth at the PG position. The fact is, is that there is almost no depth at the center position.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 12:09 AM
Crying??? lolol


No crying here champ, just logical reasoning. You cant even give a good excuse as to WHY bynum should be Fourth best. NO-1 can. Cuz no matter whats hes done its been limited time. IF THERE IS A GOD BYNUM WILL BE REMOVED AND THIS POLL WILL BE REMADE.
Some of us Laker fans are atheists. :smoking:

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 12:09 AM
Dude, stop being a hypocrite, one post you say that hes going to get #4, but it doesn't matter no ones life changed, and now you are crying to remake the poll. Dude, if it makes you happy tell Mile High Champ to take of andrew bynum to make you happy, im done talking to a little kid.


Ive been saying we need to change the poll...

I DIDNT KNOW HOW MANY HOMERS WE HAD ON HERE

Im not the only one either who believes we should change the poll and remove Bynum.

I just figured no-one would change the poll.. Thats why i say **** it. It should be changed. It has to be changed. At the same time if it isnt im not losing sleep?

Your the little kid bro. you cant even take a little heat. Why you so bent out of shape that i think bynum shouldnt be number 4? calm ya self im off to bed i have work...others like still ballin have all day to sit on the comp and vote for bynum. :D

BillyHoyle35
09-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Dude, stop being a hypocrite, one post you say that hes going to get #4, but it doesn't matter no ones life changed, and now you are crying to remake the poll. Dude, if it makes you happy tell Mile High Champ to take of andrew bynum to make you happy, im done talking to a little kid.

give a reason instead of saying people are crying and that you are done talking to a little kid... reasoning is very useful you know.

I personally think Bynum does not warrant no 4, too much time spent injured and really he isn't amazingly brilliant. No center at this stage is. If I was picking a top 4 center as of NOW it wouldn't be Bynum, too much unknown, will he come back fully fit, can he reproduce?

I believe Kaman is better, produced with an average cast last season, again the injury problems, but he played in the olympics and looks fine.
Chandler and Camby have cases over Bynum as well, both rebound better and play better D, not as good on the offensive end, but still pick up points through rebounding and can be useful.

Shaq can even be there with Bynum, he produced numbers close to, but not quite at Bynum's level since he joined the suns, and he definately has a bigger presence cuz its shaq.

markkk89
09-09-2008, 12:51 AM
Kids complain when they don't get what they want..

lakerman
09-09-2008, 12:55 AM
I went with Tyson Chandler, Bynum should not even be voted for.

Doesnt even deserve to be on this list yet.

Def not Top 10.

Its ridiculous how "basketball fans" are voting for him.

Tyson haven't proved anything yet! the only thing he can do is go for the lob dunk. He has no post game and he's to light in the wallet, I remember waht drew did to him last season abused!

lakerman
09-09-2008, 12:57 AM
As of right now, I would want Jermaine O'neal. He is the 4th best in my mind.

He's not even a center he's a power forward.

ttam68
09-09-2008, 01:17 AM
odd you say that about shaq, when last season he played 61 games and played 1,748 minutes whilst the so called brilliant Bynum played 35 games and just 1,008 minutes.

Shaq played 28.7 MPG in 61 games during a season where he didn't even sustain any significant injuries. He's averaged 53.3 games the last three seasons.

Bynum averaged 28.8 MPG in 35 games, after suffering a major injury and starting the season off the bench. He played 82 games in 2006-2007 and I don't recall any injuries his rookie year. His minutes will only go up this year as he gains recognition as a rising star and Shaq's will likely remain the same or go down.

I never called Bynum brilliant, and I'm not the typical PSD homer. You guys can ***** and moan about how unfair the poll is all want. The fact is we're a bunch of random people discussing sports. Its an online forum, a place for discussion and opinions. If PSD is too biased for you go elsewhere. Enough with the crap about "HOMERZZZ!!!!" and arguments of "Kaman is better." Get over it.

If the poll is reset PSD loses far more credibility then if Bynum were to win even the #3 spot. It's not like he's a bad center. He is very legitimate at this point in the discussion.

JMan17
09-09-2008, 01:25 AM
to all of the people that don't like the poll that THEY MADE! here's a song you might enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzz1VEN1SEk

ARMIN12NBA
09-09-2008, 01:28 AM
Shaq played 28.7 MPG in 61 games during a season where he didn't even sustain any significant injuries. He's averaged 53.3 games the last three seasons.

Bynum averaged 28.8 MPG in 35 games, after suffering a major injury and starting the season off the bench. He played 82 games in 2006-2007 and I don't recall any injuries his rookie year. His minutes will only go up this year as he gains recognition as a rising star and Shaq's will likely remain the same or go down.

I never called Bynum brilliant, and I'm not the typical PSD homer. You guys can ***** and moan about how unfair the poll is all want. The fact is we're a bunch of random people discussing sports. Its an online forum, a place for discussion and opinions. If PSD is too biased for you go elsewhere. Enough with the crap about "HOMERZZZ!!!!" and arguments of "Kaman is better." Get over it.

If the poll is reset PSD loses far more credibility then if Bynum were to win even the #3 spot. It's not like he's a bad center. He is very legitimate at this point in the discussion.

:clap:

Vidball
09-09-2008, 01:31 AM
If this is for centers last season Bynum shouldn't be #4...if its for this coming season, I think he'll have a better year than anyone else left on the list. He showed a huge improvement between years 2 and 3, was leading the league in FG% and was 3rd in Rebounds per minute when he went down, Lakers were 1st in the West when he went down, and he was putting up better numbers than any C besides Dwight, Al and Yao in the 25 games he started (I know that isn't much, but it is a third of a season).

If he put up the fourth best numbers during his time as a starting C last season (at 20 y.o.), I don't see why he won't be able to put up numbers good enough to be 4th on the list this season.

Chronz
09-09-2008, 02:10 AM
Well espn says otherwise.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/depth?team=det

I know when I watched Pistons games, Toronto TV stations listed Sheed as the PF and McDyess as Center as well.

My NBA 2K8 also has him listed as PF.

Different sites can report differently so it definately can be debated but I gave you three sources that say he can be considered a PF. I am not sure which source Mile High is using, (I thought nba.com but I believe Sheed is listed as C there), but you can ask him about it if you feel so adament.

Beyond that you can take the case to Mile High, but he has consistently been using the same site.

I really dont care what they list him as, I just watch them play and who they have Sheed defending (He guarded mostly Centers). But yes they listed Antonio as the F and Sheed was listed as the C on NBA.com even though it doesnt matter, remember these are the same people who wanted us to think Tim Duncan was a PF even though though he fulfilled more of the CENTER role than David Robinson ever did, they also listed him as a C on the All-Star ballot only to change it back later. Its all a gimmick, pay attention to the game not the alleged depth chart.

As the Pistons season progressed Mcdyess started playing less and Maxiell eventually took over the starting spot at the end. In those games the ESPN depth charts listed them both as F, so are we to assume that the Pistons played without a Center in those few games, not really? I guess it really doesnt matter but a player should be eligible for either since he plays both.

Its wierd though, ESPN boxscores has Sheed at the middle where the Center usually resides and McDyess next to the other F matched up with the opposing teams PF. Its like they know Sheed is playing the center but want to keep the gimmick alive. In the games Sheed missed, Theo Ratliff was the starting Center and espn listed both as Centers. So I really have no faith in their scouting ability in general unless its from Thorpe.

FOBolous
09-09-2008, 02:20 AM
wow first...Odom and now Bynum? :pity:

KG#1
09-09-2008, 02:24 AM
there is no chance bynum is the 4th best center in the game
come on he only has played half a season of good ball

Marius
09-09-2008, 02:44 AM
How does Bynum even make this poll? He had what, a quarter of a season, with quad teams on Kobe?

Man, Rafael Araujo could average 14 and 10 with kobe

LA_cabals
09-09-2008, 02:54 AM
....

I never called Bynum brilliant, and I'm not the typical PSD homer. You guys can ***** and moan about how unfair the poll is all want. The fact is we're a bunch of random people discussing sports. Its an online forum, a place for discussion and opinions. If PSD is too biased for you go elsewhere. Enough with the crap about "HOMERZZZ!!!!" and arguments of "Kaman is better." Get over it.

If the poll is reset PSD loses far more credibility then if Bynum were to win even the #3 spot. It's not like he's a bad center. He is very legitimate at this point in the discussion.

.

Lakersfan2483
09-09-2008, 03:14 AM
Shaquille O'neal should have been 3rd. My vote goes to the diesel. I think Bynum is a top center, definitely in the top 6. He's no. 6. He will shock some people next season and move up the list.

Lakersfan2483
09-09-2008, 03:17 AM
My top centers:

D. Howard
Yao Ming
Shaq O'neal
T. Chandler
J. O'neal
A. Bynum ( Bynum will pass Chandler this year) He will move up into the top 3 or 4.

I don't think Al Jefferson is a center, he's out of position. The same can be said for R. Wallace and J. O'neal.

Antbanks21
09-09-2008, 03:32 AM
Yeah, except getting Mo Williams right?:confused:

Oh yeh, and i remember the Cavaliers winning more games against the Celtics then the Lakers did. In fact, the Hawks won more games. Sorry just thought i'd bring that up so you'd feel bad about the Lakers being worse the Atlanta.

Just sayin:D

so you're saying that the Nuggets were better than Cleveland in 2006-2007 when the Cavs made the Finals because the Nuggets at least won a game in the playoffs against the Spurs while the Cavaliers were swept in the Finals by the same Spurs.:crazy:

Antbanks21
09-09-2008, 03:36 AM
Lol, I already messaged him about that...he shouldn't be on the top 4 list...maybe not top 5 but after that, I'm fine with him on the list.

wow, what a baby :cry:

G-Funk
09-09-2008, 03:39 AM
True Centers People, True Centers!!!!

G-Funk
09-09-2008, 03:39 AM
there is no chance bynum is the 4th best center in the game
come on he only has played half a season of good ball

x2

innovator
09-09-2008, 05:12 AM
FINALLY BYNUM GETTING THE RESPECT THAT HE DESERVES, its so happy how the bynum haters are reacting

innovator
09-09-2008, 05:13 AM
x2

so? why?do you think he will suck so bad in the 2nd half? and its not only good ball for half a season! its GOOD BALL FOR HALF A SEASON AND COUNTING

Tom81
09-09-2008, 05:29 AM
wow...I real don't understand Bynum guy who play not bad season "not bad" not great.O i'm sorry don't even a half of the season.And you put him on 4 spot...
Maybe in future he will be good C but right now he show nothing in my eyes.
Lakers fan after this season if bynum play well make a thread "The best C ever" and guess who will be number #!...???

ridicules

LakerzDQ
09-09-2008, 06:04 AM
I voted Shaq.

and then I saw the results.

and then I was like ROFL!!! pwned.

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 06:40 AM
I voted Shaq.

and then I saw the results.

and then I was like ROFL!!! pwned.

Of course you laughed


Bynum isnt the fourth Best center. Hes Garbage. Hes the fourth option. a good fourth option. But Laker fans are making him out to be someone you can build a franchise around. Its sickning. They really believe they would of won the finals if they had this guy. I just dont get it. Ive seen this guy play. He isnt bad, but he isnt fourth best. Id rather Camby, Kaman, Chandler, Bogut OR Shaq ANYDAY of the week at tis point in their careers. Sorry if im not sucking on Bynum after a handful of games that mean nothing. Laker fans i feel sorry for you if you think your winning a title just becuase Bynum is back. hahahahahaha

Chronz
09-09-2008, 06:48 AM
Bynum will show up alot of doubters this year, it was only a handfull of games but even if you drop his rate of production he still comes out ahead of several of these candidates so I dont know why people are getting this offended.

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 06:52 AM
^^becuz although you may be right chronz we still dont know

This poll isnt asking whos the best center based of what you think they might do next season. All we know is Bynum showed flashes in some games then got hit with and awful injury. Im not saying he sucks. He just isnt the fourth best center. Maybe next season we can have this same poll and see where he is.

Tom81
09-09-2008, 06:55 AM
^^becuz although you may be right chronz we still dont know

This poll isnt asking whos the best center based of what you think they might do next season. All we know is Bynum showed flashes in some games then got hit with and awful injury. Im not saying he sucks. He just isnt the fourth best center. Maybe next season we can have this same poll and see where he is.

agreed

LakerzDQ
09-09-2008, 07:00 AM
Of course you laughed


Bynum isnt the fourth Best center. Hes Garbage. Hes the fourth option. a good fourth option. But Laker fans are making him out to be someone you can build a franchise around. Its sickning. They really believe they would of won the finals if they had this guy. I just dont get it. Ive seen this guy play. He isnt bad, but he isnt fourth best. Id rather Camby, Kaman, Chandler, Bogut OR Shaq ANYDAY of the week at tis point in their careers. Sorry if im not sucking on Bynum after a handful of games that mean nothing. Laker fans i feel sorry for you if you think your winning a title just becuase Bynum is back. hahahahahaha

we made it to the finals. we get a healthy Bynum back, along with a healthy Ariza, and improved young players. why can't we win a title? Bynum doesn't have to be Wilt for us to win the title.

Chronz
09-09-2008, 07:12 AM
Bynum and Ariza are the 2 players the Lakers missed the most in the finals, how is it wrong to assume they couldve won the title if they were able to match up with Perkins physically? It would certainly help Odoms game.

astrosmaniac
09-09-2008, 07:32 AM
Shaq played 28.7 MPG in 61 games during a season where he didn't even sustain any significant injuries. He's averaged 53.3 games the last three seasons.

Bynum averaged 28.8 MPG in 35 games, after suffering a major injury and starting the season off the bench. He played 82 games in 2006-2007 and I don't recall any injuries his rookie year. His minutes will only go up this year as he gains recognition as a rising star and Shaq's will likely remain the same or go down.

I never called Bynum brilliant, and I'm not the typical PSD homer. You guys can ***** and moan about how unfair the poll is all want. The fact is we're a bunch of random people discussing sports. Its an online forum, a place for discussion and opinions. If PSD is too biased for you go elsewhere. Enough with the crap about "HOMERZZZ!!!!" and arguments of "Kaman is better." Get over it.

If the poll is reset PSD loses far more credibility then if Bynum were to win even the #3 spot. It's not like he's a bad center. He is very legitimate at this point in the discussion.

and no one knew who e was. He hasnt done anything with any CONSISTANCY.

astrosmaniac
09-09-2008, 07:35 AM
FINALLY BYNUM GETTING THE RESPECT THAT HE DESERVES, its so happy how the bynum haters are reacting

no talk about getting respect he doesnt deserve

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 07:48 AM
Bynum getting the respect he deserves??? Because Laker fans voted him fourth best center in a ****** internet website poll??? Bynum will get the respect he deserves when he goes out there for a full season and dominates like laker fans hope and expect. Until then hes over hyped and overated. I;ll have no problem saying Bynum is one of the best Centers if he actually proves it and plays well. But in his limited minutes you cant name him fourth or even fifth or sixth best.

FOBolous
09-09-2008, 07:59 AM
FINALLY BYNUM GETTING THE RESPECT THAT HE DESERVES, its so happy how the bynum haters are reacting

by "bynum haters" do you mean non laker fans?

op12
09-09-2008, 08:41 AM
i am suddenly embarrased that i even enjoy reading these forums. too many people stuck in their ways and whining. isnt the poll for the top 10 best centers right now? we havent played the 08-09 season yet. he might move up after that but we are talking about right now on Sept 9th 08.

JordansBulls
09-09-2008, 08:48 AM
Bynum getting the respect he deserves??? Because Laker fans voted him fourth best center in a ****** internet website poll??? Bynum will get the respect he deserves when he goes out there for a full season and dominates like laker fans hope and expect. Until then hes over hyped and overated. I;ll have no problem saying Bynum is one of the best Centers if he actually proves it and plays well. But in his limited minutes you cant name him fourth or even fifth or sixth best.

:nod:

I think we should form a committe where only people on that committee are allowed to vote instead of random polls that will be dominated by large fanbases.

Sixerlover
09-09-2008, 09:23 AM
^ Nah, then the whole point of "voting" would be moot.

:laugh2: funny idea though

da wood
09-09-2008, 09:46 AM
wow...I real don't understand Bynum guy who play not bad season "not bad" not great.O i'm sorry don't even a half of the season.And you put him on 4 spot...
Maybe in future he will be good C but right now he show nothing in my eyes.
Lakers fan after this season if bynum play well make a thread "The best C ever" and guess who will be number #!...???

ridicules
you have yao at number 2 or 1 and he only played half the damn season too. everyone just stop hatin on the kid he started to come into his own before the back of odoms foot derailed that coming out party.

Sixerlover
09-09-2008, 09:49 AM
you have yao at number 2 or 1 and he only played half the damn season too. everyone just stop hatin on the kid he started to come into his own before the back of odoms foot derailed that coming out party.

Bad comparison. Yao has a body of work to fall back on to show that he is a top 2 center in the NBA. Along with a dominant half a season (pre injury). Bynum literally only has 1/2 of a NBA season to fall back on and we're giving him the 4th slot?

I can't say I agree with this either.

da wood
09-09-2008, 09:54 AM
4. Kaman
5. Chandler
6. O'Neal
7. Bogut
8. Bynum

no way bynum is the 4th best Center in the league

actually this is crazy you actually have all of these guys as being btter than drew. well heres a news flash for you he actually out played evryone on your short list as a matter of fact the only centers that out played him were yao, perkins with help from kg and howard. and the only one that was by alot was against the celtics. not even ducan out played him. i take it yall didn't watch game. yall just hatin on the lakers

J-Relo
09-09-2008, 09:55 AM
Bynum will show up alot of doubters this year, it was only a handfull of games but even if you drop his rate of production he still comes out ahead of several of these candidates so I dont know why people are getting this offended.

here is somekind of the same battle like Bosh vs Dirk, and Bosh got it...

but the battle was only between those two...Bosh showed that he really can play, his numbers were good, and he played great in Olympics... Maybe for somebody Dirk is better than Bosh (you) and vise versus...

Now i can see that Bynum is getting fourth place for what??? did he played really that good? ye last year there were games he was great, some games not that good... But he didn't ever play at levels other centers did... I would even put Chandler, Camby/Caman and both O'neils over him... I would agree that Bynum is top 10 center in the league, but not top 4 or even top 5... maybe after year i will say different but now we can't say that...

Tom81
09-09-2008, 10:23 AM
you have yao at number 2 or 1 and he only played half the damn season too. everyone just stop hatin on the kid he started to come into his own before the back of odoms foot derailed that coming out party.

terrible comparison.

PhxGiant
09-09-2008, 10:28 AM
If this is for centers last season Bynum shouldn't be #4...if its for this coming season, I think he'll have a better year than anyone else left on the list. He showed a huge improvement between years 2 and 3, was leading the league in FG% and was 3rd in Rebounds per minute when he went down, Lakers were 1st in the West when he went down, and he was putting up better numbers than any C besides Dwight, Al and Yao in the 25 games he started (I know that isn't much, but it is a third of a season).

If he put up the fourth best numbers during his time as a starting C last season (at 20 y.o.), I don't see why he won't be able to put up numbers good enough to be 4th on the list this season.



But the problem for him now is, hes sharing the paint with Gasol.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 11:04 AM
But the problem for him now is, hes sharing the paint with Gasol.
Its not all about scoring. It will help his game by having a guy like Gasol at the high post because Gasol is a good passer and so is Odom. Bynum will have a lot more easy looks.

$ NyC $
09-09-2008, 11:16 AM
Kaman...some bynum homers up in here

Tom81
09-09-2008, 11:23 AM
Its not all about scoring. It will help his game by having a guy like Gasol at the high post because Gasol is a good passer and so is Odom. Bynum will have a lot more easy looks.

truth

Vidball
09-09-2008, 11:46 AM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9950


Paying The Big Man: Lakers star Andrew Bynum says he's 100% and ready to go, sounds great if you're a Lakers' fan. Not so good if you're the Lakers' brass. Bynum is eligible for a hefty contract extension and is said to be seeking a 5-year $80 million deal, a deal the Lakers have until October 30th to reach. Coming off a nasty knee surgery paying Bynum now is a huge risk, especially considering the NBA's insurance carrier would not cover knee related injuries going forward leaving the Lakers exposed to some nasty loses of Andrew has future knee problems which is almost a certainty. However the flip side is inking Andrew to an $80 Million deal now, could save the Lakers a ton of money later, as Andrew's value could increase. Comparable big men like Charlotte's Emeka Okafor got $72 million over six years, Al Jefferson signed with Minnesota for five-years and $62 million, while Orlando's Dwight Howard got a Max deal of $90 million over five years. Bynum is likely to fall somewhere in the middle of those three players going forward, and could in all seriousness challenge Dwight Howard as the best young big man in the league, if healthy. That's the question the Lakers have to ask themselves coming into training camp in just 19 days. The Lakers will have the bulk of the pre-season to define exactly where Bynum is at health wise, and whether they want to invest now or later. There is no doubting Andrew's future potential, the only questions are how seriously can you take Bynum's "100% healthy" claims knowing he's talking contract with the Lakers, and how big of a splash will a healthy Bynum make in pre-season with Kobe Bryant likely on the shelf until late October with finger surgery. It's a tough call for the Lakers for sure, the longer they wait the more they may have to pay, it's never fun when you have to pay the Big Man, and those guys don't come cheap.

The fact that he might be getting a max contract shows what some basketball minds think of him. Looks like its not just Laker "homers" that think this kid is special.
Funny how so many on here doubt his potential. Guess a lot of people haven't seen him play yet.

FortyDubs
09-09-2008, 12:45 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9950



The fact that he might be getting a max contract shows what some basketball minds think of him. Looks like its not just Laker "homers" that think this kid is special.
Funny how so many on here doubt his potential. Guess a lot of people haven't seen him play yet.

Are you honestly going to bring that garbage into here? If you'd read some of the posts in this thread almost EVERYONE in here is agreeing that the kid has potential. Too bad this list isn't a "Top 10 potentially good centers this year" It's a top 10 in the game TODAY. For him to even be mentioned at this point in this poll is beyond me, but it really doesn't matter.. Just give him the 4th spot and we can move on knowing that he actually isn't. Seriously.

op12
09-09-2008, 12:47 PM
actually this is crazy you actually have all of these guys as being btter than drew. well heres a news flash for you he actually out played evryone on your short list as a matter of fact the only centers that out played him were yao, perkins with help from kg and howard. and the only one that was by alot was against the celtics. not even ducan out played him. i take it yall didn't watch game. yall just hatin on the lakers


i dont think people are hatin on bynum saying he isnt going to be good, we are just saying he is not the #4 center right now. there is no doubt that he played very well against some solid competition, but, he only did that for 40 or so games. these other guys have been proving themselves for years. if bynum plays all year this year like he did half of last year, people will give him props, but you have to establish yourself. he is getting that big contract because everyone saw his potential last year, not because he has been a dominant force.

Tmac,lt,berkman
09-09-2008, 01:21 PM
bynum isnt a top ten center much less in the top 5... what is going on? Shaq is another person who shouldnt get any votes

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 01:53 PM
Look at Bynum dominating this poll, just like he is going to dominate on the court.

ttam68
09-09-2008, 01:57 PM
Reading some of these posts I think I see a big part of the problem.

No one here is claiming Bynum has had a better career then the other centers on the poll. We're simply saying, given all the information we have now - including how he played last year and the improvement we expect, as well as the solid teammates he has around him to make it easier and guide him - we think he'll be the 4th best performing center during the coming season. Thats what "best today" means.

NewjackNY
09-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Shaq

Ballah0liC1
09-09-2008, 03:14 PM
to the laker fans and bynum voters the poll says who is better not who has more potential

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 03:39 PM
Are you honestly going to bring that garbage into here? If you'd read some of the posts in this thread almost EVERYONE in here is agreeing that the kid has potential. Too bad this list isn't a "Top 10 potentially good centers this year" It's a top 10 in the game TODAY. For him to even be mentioned at this point in this poll is beyond me, but it really doesn't matter.. Just give him the 4th spot and we can move on knowing that he actually isn't. Seriously.

EXACTLY

Me especially, been saying that Bynum has the potential to be one of the BEST EVER. Hes so young. My only real gripe is he isnt even close to his potential yet. He showed flashes during a stretch run of games before getting injured that he has what it takes. But you cant just use a handful of games an declare hes the best. or even fourth best. ah well its like arguing with a wall. no point.

Theres like really Laker fans arguing that he should be fourth best. I kno you guys love your team and your players. Everyone loves ther players. But not every one you have his top 5 at their positions. Come on and just be logical and reasonable fans

knicks1214
09-09-2008, 03:52 PM
Bynum should not have been on this list to begin with...it's to high for a player like him. He's going to be an incredible player in 2-5 years but he's the 3rd/4th option on his team...there are many centers who I would take ahead of him...Mile you should seriously remove him and do a revote.

NYKnickFanatic
09-09-2008, 03:55 PM
Bynum should not have been on this list to begin with...it's to high for a player like him. He's going to be an incredible player in 2-5 years but he's the 3rd/4th option on his team...there are many centers who I would take ahead of him...Mile you should seriously remove him and do a revote.

Totally agree.

I said the same thing.

But he wont do that.

Too many Bynum weiner riders.

:pity:

GCOOKIE7
09-09-2008, 04:00 PM
hahahahaha good job Laker fans

LeonFSU
09-09-2008, 04:01 PM
Of the remaining centers:


C with the Best post game: Shaquille O'Neal
C with the best man to man defense: Shaquille O'Neal
C with the most experience, basketball IQ, court savvy: Shaquille O'Neal
C with the best weak side defense: Marcus Camby or Tyson Chandler
C that draws the most attention on offense opening up shots for teammates: Shaquille O'Neal
C that is the best passer: Shaquille O'Neal
C that is best in pick and rolls: Chandler
Best Offensive rebounding center: Biedrins, Chandler, or Dalembert
Best Defensive rebounding center: Camby

I couldn't find one category where Bynum is the best. My vote goes for Shaq.

BoltLakerPadre
09-09-2008, 04:04 PM
If I had gotten here on time I would have voted for Bynum, but looks like he's got it anyway. And I know that this is based on what he's done, and not his potential, he was a 13-10 guy last season, and had the best percentage from the floor before he got injured. I know you aren't supposed to look to the future, but he was progressing all season, and with KAJ as a person coach, man, the sky's the limit.

pebloemer
09-09-2008, 04:10 PM
I sent Mile High this idea and you can all debate it if you wanted.

Based on the format of determining the top ten in each position (PSD fans voting), I don't think you should do anything to this poll as it is legitimately and clearly determined that Bynum wins for 4th best center in the NBA. Favoritism or Homerism exists in any fan, Lakers or not. The fact that PSD forums are more populated by Lakers fans than other teams will be represented by the votes and probably the outcome as well. But that is why it is a PSD list. It reflects the PSD bias of fans.

Since there is an outcry on Bynum being considered top 4 center after about 30 games of play (I am not sure about the numbers nor looking to debate them here) makes me people that something should in fact be done. My suggestion would be to create an "alternate" centers list where Bynum is not included so that the other voters can have the list they feel better represents the "so-called objective" viewpoints of other posters.

To recap: There would be a PSD Top Ten Centers List and a PSD Top Ten Centers Alternative List. If you disagree with Bynum bias, then you can choose to see the alternative list as more accurate. I would also say that fans of both lists should be able to vote - Bynum already being voted and not being on the other list should remove the vast impact of subjectivity.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 04:16 PM
I sent Mile High this idea and you can all debate it if you wanted.

Based on the format of determining the top ten in each position (PSD fans voting), I don't think you should do anything to this poll as it is legitimately and clearly determined that Bynum wins for 4th best center in the NBA. Favoritism or Homerism exists in any fan, Lakers or not. The fact that PSD forums are more populated by Lakers fans than other teams will be represented by the votes and probably the outcome as well. But that is why it is a PSD list. It reflects the PSD bias of fans.

Since there is an outcry on Bynum being considered top 4 center after about 30 games of play (I am not sure about the numbers nor looking to debate them here) makes me people that something should in fact be done. My suggestion would be to create an "alternate" centers list where Bynum is not included so that the other voters can have the list they feel better represents the "so-called objective" viewpoints of other posters.

To recap: There would be a PSD Top Ten Centers List and a PSD Top Ten Centers Alternative List. If you disagree with Bynum bias, then you can choose to see the alternative list as more accurate. I would also say that fans of both lists should be able to vote - Bynum already being voted and not being on the other list should remove the vast impact of subjectivity.No, the other fans can just look at the #5 spot and pick there guy.

pebloemer
09-09-2008, 04:18 PM
No, the other fans can just look at the #5 spot and pick there guy.

Well there would still be a need for replacing Bynum or moving Bynum to a different position for the other fans, unless the other fans did a separate poll to where they would rank Bynum, and if not in the top ten then another poll for who would make #10. If Bynum is in top 10, then everyone underneath just drops one spot...

DeeJay
09-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Bynum?

Is this is a joke?

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 04:23 PM
Well there would still be a need for replacing Bynum or moving Bynum to a different position for the other fans, unless the other fans did a separate poll to where they would rank Bynum, and if not in the top ten then another poll for who would make #10. If Bynum is in top 10, then everyone underneath just drops one spot...
No, because this is a PSD poll and Laker fans are a part of PSD, if the other fans player doesn't get the votes then too bad, it's not a big deal just peoples opinions, and without the hundres of Laker fans on this site there wouldn't be much to talk about.

pebloemer
09-09-2008, 04:27 PM
No, because this is a PSD poll and Laker fans are a part of PSD, if the other fans player doesn't get the votes then too bad, it's not a big deal just peoples opinions, and without the hundres of Laker fans on this site there wouldn't be much to talk about.

Quote from pebloemer about 5 minutes earlier:

"Based on the format of determining the top ten in each position (PSD fans voting), I don't think you should do anything to this poll as it is legitimately and clearly determined that Bynum wins for 4th best center in the NBA. Favoritism or Homerism exists in any fan, Lakers or not. The fact that PSD forums are more populated by Lakers fans than other teams will be represented by the votes and probably the outcome as well. But that is why it is a PSD list. It reflects the PSD bias of fans."


Thanks for refuting my point by repeating what I just said... Not sure you understand what I am proposing, ah well.

knicks1214
09-09-2008, 04:30 PM
Just get him off that list for 4th...if he wins 5th, so be it. People can make better arguments for 5th than for 4th because there is no way he is better than Kaman now...

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 04:31 PM
Quote from pebloemer about 5 minutes earlier:

"Based on the format of determining the top ten in each position (PSD fans voting), I don't think you should do anything to this poll as it is legitimately and clearly determined that Bynum wins for 4th best center in the NBA. Favoritism or Homerism exists in any fan, Lakers or not. The fact that PSD forums are more populated by Lakers fans than other teams will be represented by the votes and probably the outcome as well. But that is why it is a PSD list. It reflects the PSD bias of fans."


Thanks for refuting my point by repeating what I just said... Not sure you understand what I am proposing, ah well.
We could have voted Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Fisher #1 if you think it bias, but we didn't.

JMKnick33
09-09-2008, 04:33 PM
Andrew Bynum is officially overrated. We saw him have a great half season..that's it! I remember we saw Danny Fortson tear the fantasy world up for half a season too...but what happened after that?

Andrew Bynum, he's nice, I believe he'll be great down the road..but for now..I think if you put Shaq on Bynum..Shaq would still tear him up. 'Nuff said.

Chronz
09-09-2008, 04:39 PM
^^becuz although you may be right chronz we still dont know

This poll isnt asking whos the best center based of what you think they might do next season. All we know is Bynum showed flashes in some games then got hit with and awful injury. Im not saying he sucks. He just isnt the fourth best center. Maybe next season we can have this same poll and see where he is.

Im not saying I agree with them, but I wouldnt say Kaman is clearly better than him.

Chronz
09-09-2008, 04:42 PM
here is somekind of the same battle like Bosh vs Dirk, and Bosh got it...

but the battle was only between those two...Bosh showed that he really can play, his numbers were good, and he played great in Olympics... Maybe for somebody Dirk is better than Bosh (you) and vise versus...

Now i can see that Bynum is getting fourth place for what??? did he played really that good? ye last year there were games he was great, some games not that good... But he didn't ever play at levels other centers did... I would even put Chandler, Camby/Caman and both O'neils over him... I would agree that Bynum is top 10 center in the league, but not top 4 or even top 5... maybe after year i will say different but now we can't say that...
I was just saying, as a Kaman voter I dont see any problem with people ranking Bynum ahead of him, and definitely ahead of him if hes as good as he showed last year.

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 04:49 PM
Bynum?

Is this is a joke?

No brother,. sadly it isnt a joke. We all have to click on this thread and see Bynum listed as the 4TH BEST CENTER IN THE NBA......I dont care ill just look at the list and not see Bynum. He shouldnt be there. Doesnt deserve to be there. Luckily he has PSD fans who wanna wipe his butt after a dump with their tongues or he wouldnt be listed that high.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 04:55 PM
No brother,. sadly it isnt a joke. We all have to click on this thread and see Bynum listed as the 4TH BEST CENTER IN THE NBA......I dont care ill just look at the list and not see Bynum. He shouldnt be there. Doesnt deserve to be there. Luckily he has PSD fans who wanna wipe his butt after a dump with their tongues or he wouldnt be listed that high.
You are a dirty, dirty little boy.

Antbanks21
09-09-2008, 05:17 PM
:clap::clap:


Your totally right. Why should we get mad?? Becuase PSD has more Laker fans registered?? This poll means diddly SQUAT. But at the same time these are the people we chat with and argue with and debate with. Id like to think they had more sense and knowledge. Being a homer and a fan is one thing.BUT MY GOD!!!! Bynum is not the fourth best center. BYNUM HIMSELF WOULD TELL ANYONE IN THE WORLD HE ISNT THE FOURTH BEST CENTER. lol...people are such silly gooses :pity:

you say that but you still seem to get mad and make a big deal about Bynum being 4th best, get over it.

pebloemer
09-09-2008, 05:18 PM
We could have voted Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Fisher #1 if you think it bias, but we didn't.

My point was that every PSD voter has a bias. I in no way have even said that Bynum as #4 is ridiculous, I was simply evaluating the situation and searching for a solution to the two varied opinions. If you want to start debate with the middle man then go ahead, but it has been exhausted to death so I won't bother responding. I am only responding to Mile High who said he was looking for suggestions for the resolve. I thought of a way that both sides have it their way and thought it would be best to resolve it that way. I am not sure why you care so much when my suggestions allow the poll to stay the same as it is the vote of PSD. So if you have an opposition to what I originally posted than I would like top hear it, but all I am getting from you is NO then repeating the what I said when I acknowledged the viewpoint of Lakers fans.

Antbanks21
09-09-2008, 05:23 PM
Of course you laughed


Bynum isnt the fourth Best center. Hes Garbage. Hes the fourth option. a good fourth option. But Laker fans are making him out to be someone you can build a franchise around. Its sickning. They really believe they would of won the finals if they had this guy. I just dont get it. Ive seen this guy play. He isnt bad, but he isnt fourth best. Id rather Camby, Kaman, Chandler, Bogut OR Shaq ANYDAY of the week at tis point in their careers. Sorry if im not sucking on Bynum after a handful of games that mean nothing. Laker fans i feel sorry for you if you think your winning a title just becuase Bynum is back. hahahahahaha

WOW, shows how much you know about Basketball.

Zefflin
09-09-2008, 05:37 PM
I am a huge Lakers fan, but having him as the #4 center the the league is simply ludicrous based on the the half a season he played. I would choose 6 people on that list who should be over AB17 RIGHT NOW. Although that will probably and most likely change next year.

"A Quick Note: This is a poll for who is the best center, not which center has the best potential. The best centers in the league as of right now. Thanks."

knicks1214
09-09-2008, 05:39 PM
Bynum is not garbage...he is going to be a top 3-5 center in the NBA in a few years, you can mark my words. But right now he is not the 4th best center...He's a very good young center but I still think Kaman is better than him. I would not have as much as a problem putting him at 5th rather than 4th. Also, I find it hard to believe that Bynum has 61 more votes than Biedrins considering they both had very very similar stats last year. People are caught up too much in Bynum's potential. The poll is for TODAY not for 3 years from now.

rhino17
09-09-2008, 05:39 PM
this thread is just stupid

this place would be a lot better if lakers fans were just banned

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 05:41 PM
this thread is just stupid

this place would be a lot better if lakers fans were just banned yeah good idea....

Antbanks21
09-09-2008, 05:44 PM
this thread is just stupid

this place would be a lot better if lakers fans were just banned

why so Rockets could win in these polls and go to the Finals.

Hawkeye15
09-09-2008, 05:47 PM
this thread is just stupid

this place would be a lot better if lakers fans were just banned

Bynum shouldn't have been up there in the first place. But they would have cried about that too. But at least they wouldn't have been able to choose him over worthy candidates. I don't think he is a top 10 center last season.

Hawkeye15
09-09-2008, 05:49 PM
Bynum is not garbage...he is going to be a top 3-5 center in the NBA in a few years, you can mark my words. But right now he is not the 4th best center...He's a very good young center but I still think Kaman is better than him. I would not have as much as a problem putting him at 5th rather than 4th. Also, I find it hard to believe that Bynum has 61 more votes than Biedrins considering they both had very very similar stats last year. People are caught up too much in Bynum's potential. The poll is for TODAY not for 3 years from now.

every Laker fans words have been marked. We ALLLLLLL understand that you guys think he will be a superstud. We got it. We don't. Why don't we all wait and see instead of speculating. Instead, we should be rewarding actual achievment on this thread. Not potential, which is just a word unless realized. Hell, read Kwames scouting report when he was young. I am in no way comparing the two, but potential is a tag, not a reality

knicks1214
09-09-2008, 05:52 PM
Which is why I said that Kaman is better...There is no doubt in my mind that Kaman should have deserved/is the real 4th best center in the NBA. I'm just saying that if he continues to progress the way he has been since he entered the NBA, he can be a real superstar in a few years. The Lakers might be my second favorite team, behind the Knicks, but I still know what players are good and top 5 in the NBA and which ones aren't. The other Lakers fans who think that Bynum is incredible now and is going to average 20 and 15 next year are the one's who you should be addressing that comment to lol. I don't let my favorite teams/players cloud my judgement in who is the better overall player.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 05:54 PM
every Laker fans words have been marked. We ALLLLLLL understand that you guys think he will be a superstud. We got it. We don't. Why don't we all wait and see instead of speculating. Instead, we should be rewarding actual achievment on this thread. Not potential, which is just a word unless realized. Hell, read Kwames scouting report when he was young. I am in no way comparing the two, but potential is a tag, not a reality
I don't think the players care where we rank them.

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 05:58 PM
WOW, shows how much you know about Basketball.

Lets play some 1 on 1. I'll school you.


The Bynum is garbage comment was more to upset people than a legit opinion of mine. With all the love hes getting on here you would think this guy was the next Bill Russel. compared to how PSD posters rate Bynum he is garbage. But in reality dude i fully expect Bynum to be a big player in the league. He just isnt fourht best RIGHT NOW! thats all

Ballah0liC1
09-09-2008, 06:01 PM
jermaine oneal- is a proven allstar 20,10 guy for 4 years
marcus camby-dpoy winner
shaq- need I say anything
kaman- averaged more points and rebounds than bynum in more games
andrew bynum-proven can rebound and score in 35 games

zachattach
09-09-2008, 06:01 PM
shouldnt Eddy Curry be on the list??

knicks1214
09-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Eh...about Curry, when he has the right mind set he can be a pretty good center but I don't think he would make top 10. He doesn't rebound/block enough shots.

THE NATION
09-09-2008, 06:07 PM
Lets play some 1 on 1. I'll school you.


The Bynum is garbage comment was more to upset people than a legit opinion of mine. With all the love hes getting on here you would think this guy was the next Bill Russel. compared to how PSD posters rate Bynum he is garbage. But in reality dude i fully expect Bynum to be a big player in the league. He just isnt fourht best RIGHT NOW! thats all

Thats funny, you challange someone to play 1 on 1 on the internet.

zachattach
09-09-2008, 06:12 PM
jermaine oneal- is a proven allstar 20,10 guy for 4 years
marcus camby-dpoy winner
shaq- need I say anything
kaman- averaged more points and rebounds than bynum in more games
andrew bynum-proven can rebound and score in 35 games

I understand where you are coming from but does not make your point correct. So then you'd say LeBron James coming into his first NBA season wasnt better then Glenn Rice (a former All-Star like JO) or how about Karl Malone (like Shaq of now)... Remember Bynum was still the back up for quite awhile through those 35 games playing 20-27 minutes while Kaman was playing starter minutes and was the teams only back to the basket player

Nighthawk
09-09-2008, 06:15 PM
Thats funny, you challange someone to play 1 on 1 on the internet.

Well i dont know the dude, where he lives, or anything else. I would school em though. Dunno what so funny about that though. Glad i could make you laugh