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Mile High Champ
09-04-2008, 03:53 PM
Hey everyone, we will be continuing the series to find a true top 10 list at each position. We are on onto the CENTERS... We will start fresh here with most likely Yao or Howard being named top center..

Like I said before, I will add more players to the list as soon as we put another guy on the top 10 list.

PS: Please do not start any threads with the same title. I am capable of conducting the polls and completing the series of threads to find the top 10 players at each position. If I need some help I will ask for it. Thanks for your time.

An updated list of the polls we have completed can be found here..
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6524689#post6524689

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RoyalG333
09-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Howard changes the game in the paint. Yao is too injury prone. Jefferson might be more consistent offensively but he doesnt have the paint presence of Howard.

knicks1214
09-04-2008, 04:03 PM
You should try putting Kaman in there and Biedrins also. Both of them are also great centers, but idk where they would go in the top 10. I voted for Howard. He is just a game changer...

BigRudy345
09-04-2008, 04:06 PM
wheres Jermaine O'neal

Aapox
09-04-2008, 04:07 PM
Dwight Howard. He's a tremendous presence on both ends of the court.

pebloemer
09-04-2008, 04:09 PM
wheres Jermaine O'neal

I am sure Jermaine will be on soon enough. You can't really make an argument for him being better than a couple of the names listed. More names get added as the list progresses.

$ NyC $
09-04-2008, 04:12 PM
Dwight Howard...he's becoming a dominant player..

Chronz
09-04-2008, 04:13 PM
Will Sheed be in this one? I vote Yao

_Sn1P3r_
09-04-2008, 04:13 PM
Dh12.

BRADfromOZ
09-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Dwight for me. Sheed is in the PF poll so i'm guessing we won't see him here.

Rome
09-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Dwight Howard. He's a tremendous presence on both ends of the court.

Agreed. Yao is too injury prone. And I still see Al as more or a PF but Dwights the obvious choice.

NYKnickFanatic
09-04-2008, 04:16 PM
"Superman".

Although I think he shouldnt have taken that name from Shaq.

ShaunRiching9
09-04-2008, 04:28 PM
Dwight is now this is my guess

Dwight
Yao
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal
Tyson Chandler
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bogut
Shaq

those are the only people i can really think of that deserve a spot but if i think harder i can find one

Lakersfan2483
09-04-2008, 04:28 PM
D. Howard is the top center in the game. He's a presence on both ends of the floor. He needs to develop his post game, but he's still the best.

Chronz
09-04-2008, 04:28 PM
Agreed. Yao is too injury prone. And I still see Al as more or a PF but Dwights the obvious choice.

Are we choosing the healthier player or the better player here?

IndyRealist
09-04-2008, 04:30 PM
Howard has so many holes in his game it's ridiculous. Why do you think Bosh got so much time as a backup for team USA? Howard's slow. He's foul prone. He has no jumper. He can't hit a free throw. He hasn't shown any leadership skills. He plays almost purely on his ridiculous athletic ability. If he develops his shooting ability, he could be the next Shaq. But he's not there yet.

Yao is the unquestioned leader of two teams. He has post up moves, and he can shoot the outside jumper along with facing up and the hook shot. He's a better passer, and shoots 85% from the free throw line. Yao is 7'6" 310lb. Howard is 6'11" 265lb. No player in the NBA has the ability to bother Yao's shot.

Ultimately Howard still has upside, and his game could reach hall of fame levels. Unless Yao suddenly develops a 3pt shot or decides to stop playing for the Chinese national team every summer, he's more or less maxxed out his potential. But right now, Yao is better.

Yao Ming
22ppg, 10.8rpg, 2.0bpg, 2.3apg, .507FG%, .850FT%

Dwight Howard
20.7ppg, 14.2rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.3apg, .599FG%, .590FT%

29$JerZ
09-04-2008, 04:32 PM
Dwight Howard.

Rocket's did well without him for 9 games.
Take Dwight from the Magic's and they crumble.

IndyRealist
09-04-2008, 04:38 PM
Are we choosing the healthier player or the better player here?

They vote for the flashier player. Any NBA staffer would have laughed at the debate that went on here about Duncan not being the #1 PF in the league. He doesn't get on many highlight reels, but he's fundamentally sound, has very few weaknesses, and leads his team. Just like Yao.

Howard, like Stoudamire, is a highlight reel waiting to happen. He's camera friendly, and makes a great story on ESPN. But he has holes in his game that other teams exploit (Stoudamire less so). He's not the leader of his team, Hedo (Nash) is. He may pass Yao eventually, but he's not on par with him. Not yet.

JordansBulls
09-04-2008, 04:39 PM
Dwight

BRADfromOZ
09-04-2008, 04:41 PM
Howard has so many holes in his game it's ridiculous. Why do you think Bosh got so much time as a backup for team USA? Howard's slow. He's foul prone. He has no jumper. He can't hit a free throw. He hasn't shown any leadership skills. He plays almost purely on his ridiculous athletic ability. If he develops his shooting ability, he could be the next Shaq. But he's not there yet.
He's also still a kid and still developing/evolving his game.

BowDown32
09-04-2008, 04:44 PM
Are we choosing the healthier player or the better player here?

We are choosing the better player here... and that is Dwight Howard, No questions asked.

BowDown32
09-04-2008, 04:47 PM
They vote for the flashier player. Any NBA staffer would have laughed at the debate that went on here about Duncan not being the #1 PF in the league. He doesn't get on many highlight reels, but he's fundamentally sound, has very few weaknesses, and leads his team. Just like Yao.

Howard, like Stoudamire, is a highlight reel waiting to happen. He's camera friendly, and makes a great story on ESPN. But he has holes in his game that other teams exploit (Stoudamire less so). He's not the leader of his team, Hedo (Nash) is. He may pass Yao eventually, but he's not on par with him. Not yet.

And Yao is the leader of the Rockets? I think that would go to T-Mac or even Battier when it comes to the locker room. The only team Yao is actually leading is the Chinese Olympic team. And yes when it comes to being the best I wouldn't take Yao on my team if I could choose a centre cuz he is injured all the time. Howard has played atleast 80 games a year and is a presence on both ends of the floor. He beat Yao's #'s last year so why wouldn't you take Dwight as the best?

fabian11593
09-04-2008, 04:48 PM
Superman 12

sixers247
09-04-2008, 04:48 PM
I think as of now its Yao. In my mind he is better all around right now. No doubt dwight will be better in the future though.

phillyphan4ever
09-04-2008, 04:48 PM
Dwight

Mile High Champ
09-04-2008, 04:59 PM
Are we choosing the healthier player or the better player here?

agreed.. best way too look at it...

Vidball
09-04-2008, 05:07 PM
We are choosing the better player here... and that is Dwight Howard, No questions asked.

:clap:

Faneik
09-04-2008, 05:12 PM
If Yao wasn't so injury-prone I'd go with him...

Dwight is a beast but offensively he is behind Yao, but since he never misses a game, my vote is Dwight.

*Superman*
09-04-2008, 05:12 PM
Do i have to say anything.

goku
09-04-2008, 05:29 PM
yao always beats howard last year he made howard foul out

haris23
09-04-2008, 05:45 PM
The Daily Double.

MiamiHeat
09-04-2008, 05:46 PM
Dwight Howard

$ NyC $
09-04-2008, 06:02 PM
i can't wait until Howard develops more moves besides dunking and basic post moves...imagine Howard with Hakeem's shake and bake oh my lord

ejdacanay
09-04-2008, 06:02 PM
wheres Jermaine O'neal

that made me lol:laugh:

Joshtd1
09-04-2008, 06:17 PM
Yao. Better man defender, better on offense. Dwight is a better weak side shot blocker, and rebounder but thats about it.

Yao is someone you can give the ball to at the end of the game to try and win it for you as well, while Dwight is not.

still1ballin
09-04-2008, 06:19 PM
D12 by far

prash
09-04-2008, 06:22 PM
Yao #1

D12 #2

ttam68
09-04-2008, 06:23 PM
I realize you add more options as the poll progresses, but you can atleast start off the thread with more then 3 options.

Anyway, I see most people said Dwight but it should be Yao. If you're factoring injuries in then I can see how Dwight is number one, but on sheer talent Yao wins by a landslide at this point in their careers.

Joshtd1
09-04-2008, 06:24 PM
51-14..wow. I dont know whats worse, Dwight winning by this much, or Amare getting all the votes he did for the #1 spot in the best PF poll.

FOBolous
09-04-2008, 06:26 PM
put it this way...if Yao and Bosh were on Team USA instead of Dwight and Bosh...would Yao get replaced by Bosh like Howard did?

Howard can only play on ONE end of the court...the defensive end...and he's a complete liability on the other end. Nothing exposed that more than what happened Olympics. Bosh was chosen over Howard because of how bad Howard was on the offensive end. There were games where i saw Team USA trying to go to Howard early to tried to get him going but it didn't work because of how bad Howard was on the offensive end.

but yeea...Yao has the franchise big man offense AND defense...Howard only has the franchise big men defense.

SensandRaps
09-04-2008, 06:29 PM
dwight

FOBolous
09-04-2008, 06:29 PM
Yao. Better man defender, better on offense. Dwight is a better weak side shot blocker, and rebounder but thats about it.

Yao is someone you can give the ball to at the end of the game to try and win it for you as well, while Dwight is not.

:clap:

knicks1214
09-04-2008, 06:39 PM
Yao is always injured...he's more of a liability than Howard is..I would still want Howard considering that the NBA has many fast break teams...and he would be a much better fit than Yao.

LA_cabals
09-04-2008, 06:48 PM
Howard has so many holes in his game it's ridiculous. Why do you think Bosh got so much time as a backup for team USA? Howard's slow. He's foul prone. He has no jumper. He can't hit a free throw. He hasn't shown any leadership skills. He plays almost purely on his ridiculous athletic ability. If he develops his shooting ability, he could be the next Shaq. But he's not there yet.

Yao is the unquestioned leader of two teams. He has post up moves, and he can shoot the outside jumper along with facing up and the hook shot. He's a better passer, and shoots 85% from the free throw line. Yao is 7'6" 310lb. Howard is 6'11" 265lb. No player in the NBA has the ability to bother Yao's shot.

Ultimately Howard still has upside, and his game could reach hall of fame levels. Unless Yao suddenly develops a 3pt shot or decides to stop playing for the Chinese national team every summer, he's more or less maxxed out his potential. But right now, Yao is better.

Yao Ming
22ppg, 10.8rpg, 2.0bpg, 2.3apg, .507FG%, .850FT%

Dwight Howard
20.7ppg, 14.2rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.3apg, .599FG%, .590FT%


They vote for the flashier player. Any NBA staffer would have laughed at the debate that went on here about Duncan not being the #1 PF in the league. He doesn't get on many highlight reels, but he's fundamentally sound, has very few weaknesses, and leads his team. Just like Yao.

Howard, like Stoudamire, is a highlight reel waiting to happen. He's camera friendly, and makes a great story on ESPN. But he has holes in his game that other teams exploit (Stoudamire less so). He's not the leader of his team, Hedo (Nash) is. He may pass Yao eventually, but he's not on par with him. Not yet.

:clap: :clap: You sir are correct.

As of TODAY Yao is the better player.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 07:03 PM
Yao is a better low block defender. He is also a money free throw shooter, so you can't just hack him. Better passer as well. If he played 80 games a year, this wouldn't even be a discussion. If he gets the ball within 7 feet, basket. Dwight is awesome, but he is still mostly a dunker who thrives off freakish strength and athletic ability. You saw against Detroit that he can be contained.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Yao. Better man defender, better on offense. Dwight is a better weak side shot blocker, and rebounder but thats about it.

Yao is someone you can give the ball to at the end of the game to try and win it for you as well, while Dwight is not.

don't even get me started on Amare. Gosh, I bet lots of PF's would love to have Nash handing them cupcakes all night, and then refuse to guard anyone, and claim they aren't respected as a great player.

mikedesi1004
09-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Dwight Howard

ARMIN12NBA
09-04-2008, 07:22 PM
Al Jefferson is a PF.

FortyDubs
09-04-2008, 07:28 PM
As of today, Yao is by far the better player. I'm not even sure how Dwight is winning by so much, I guess people are swayed by dunks, oh well.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 07:33 PM
Al Jefferson is a PF.

The Wolves played him at center almost the entire year. And with Love coming in, he will be a center yet again. He is the 3rd best center in the league now.

IversonIsKrazy
09-04-2008, 07:33 PM
D12 w/o a doubt. yao is too injury prone. and is overrated considering wut his height is. he doesnt try to much on defence, and doesnt jump, thas y ppl block him so often.

ARMIN12NBA
09-04-2008, 07:36 PM
The Wolves played him at center almost the entire year. And with Love coming in, he will be a center yet again. He is the 3rd best center in the league now.

He is still not a center. The Warriors have guards playing forward and even center (5 guard line-up). Does that mean that the guards are forwards? No. It simply means that they are playing out of position. Al Jefferson is not a center.

FOBolous
09-04-2008, 07:41 PM
Howard has so many holes in his game it's ridiculous. Why do you think Bosh got so much time as a backup for team USA? Howard's slow. He's foul prone. He has no jumper. He can't hit a free throw. He hasn't shown any leadership skills. He plays almost purely on his ridiculous athletic ability. If he develops his shooting ability, he could be the next Shaq. But he's not there yet.

Yao is the unquestioned leader of two teams. He has post up moves, and he can shoot the outside jumper along with facing up and the hook shot. He's a better passer, and shoots 85% from the free throw line. Yao is 7'6" 310lb. Howard is 6'11" 265lb. No player in the NBA has the ability to bother Yao's shot.

Ultimately Howard still has upside, and his game could reach hall of fame levels. Unless Yao suddenly develops a 3pt shot or decides to stop playing for the Chinese national team every summer, he's more or less maxxed out his potential. But right now, Yao is better.

Yao Ming
22ppg, 10.8rpg, 2.0bpg, 2.3apg, .507FG%, .850FT%

Dwight Howard
20.7ppg, 14.2rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.3apg, .599FG%, .590FT%

:clap:

Nets fan 93
09-04-2008, 07:42 PM
Went Yao

bostncelts34
09-04-2008, 07:53 PM
i really dont think Al should be on the poll already. hes not a TRUE center. and i think a guy like Ilgauskas is a better CENTER.

dre1990
09-04-2008, 08:10 PM
Dwight Howard no question

Cavs_Fan24
09-04-2008, 08:16 PM
Dwight Howard, no doubt.

rhino17
09-04-2008, 08:27 PM
D12 w/o a doubt. yao is too injury prone. and is overrated considering wut his height is. he doesnt try to much on defence, and doesnt jump, thas y ppl block him so often.

you must mean underrated because of his height. He has surpassed expectations of a guy his size. Yao would be a much more effective player at a shorter height



my vote goes to Yao Ming pretty easily.

He doesnt just catch and dunk. Dwight may be better down the road but right now, its not even close

rhino17
09-04-2008, 08:29 PM
He is still not a center. The Warriors have guards playing forward and even center (5 guard line-up). Does that mean that the guards are forwards? No. It simply means that they are playing out of position. Al Jefferson is not a center.

If they play that position, they are a center

Beno7500
09-04-2008, 08:55 PM
Dwight Howard

NBA-GMaster
09-04-2008, 08:57 PM
yao!! Yao!! Yao!!

Westbrook36
09-04-2008, 08:57 PM
Dwight

GCOOKIE7
09-04-2008, 08:59 PM
y is jeff in there? wouldnt u consider him a PF

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 09:28 PM
He is still not a center. The Warriors have guards playing forward and even center (5 guard line-up). Does that mean that the guards are forwards? No. It simply means that they are playing out of position. Al Jefferson is not a center.

al jefferson is a center. Yes, he is. Sure, he is out of position, but some good players just have to be that way. In 1996, Dwight Howard isn't a center. The game has changed. He is a center.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 09:31 PM
i really dont think Al should be on the poll already. hes not a TRUE center. and i think a guy like Ilgauskas is a better CENTER.

So, Big Al masquerading as a center, gets 21-11. I think I will take his fake center stats over 13-7, Big Z's career year was 17-9. I think I may take Big Al over that.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2008, 09:32 PM
To anyone saying Al Jefferson is not a center, he got 21-11 last year playing that position. He won about 75/82 battles he was in at that position. Would he be better at PF? Probably. But he is a top level center. Some guys can play a couple positions.

knicks1214
09-04-2008, 09:41 PM
Yeah, he definately can play center but PF is his natural position. He does deserve to be on this list though...it follows the rest of his polls-where they played the most minutes last year. Same reason why Rashard Lewis was a pf instead of a sf.

DreamShaker
09-04-2008, 09:43 PM
I voted Yao but I think he needs to reclaim it this year with a healthy and productive season....

theimortalone
09-04-2008, 11:02 PM
I would have to go with D-12. This guy is a beast in the middle!

DopieB
09-04-2008, 11:29 PM
Howard hands down

Nighthawk
09-04-2008, 11:32 PM
This poll and reading through most of the posts in this thread make me sick. So Dwight Howard puts on a cape and wins a dunk contest and now hes the number 1 center??? I dont have to state it, many already have. But Yao is a dominant factor on both ends of the floor. And on offense he can kill you in many ways. Its just sad to see how many more votes D12 has than YAO. People using the Yao isnt healthy crap is just pure B.S. When healthy YAO is levels better. I really just dont get it. :pity: you all have your opinions(there wrong) but its pretty much pointless to argue.

innovator
09-04-2008, 11:32 PM
Dwight is now this is my guess

Dwight
Yao
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal
Tyson Chandler
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bogut
Shaq

those are the only people i can really think of that deserve a spot but if i think harder i can find one

such a homer, JO?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! he was good BEFORE but he sucks NOW and this thread is about who is the top 10 right now not top 10 in their career

VOTED FOR DWIGHT

bigmac8675
09-04-2008, 11:37 PM
Dwight Howard has a slight edge over Yao in my opinion.

barreleffact
09-05-2008, 12:21 AM
wheres bynum?

FOBolous
09-05-2008, 12:27 AM
wheres bynum?

lol are you serious?

bostncelts34
09-05-2008, 12:32 AM
wheres bynum?


i really hope this is a joke

ARMIN12NBA
09-05-2008, 12:34 AM
Dwight Howard and Yao Ming are the consensus top 2 and Al Jefferson is probably the consensus 3 pick. The vote should just start at #4. Dwight has clearly won at this point.

DreamShaker
09-05-2008, 01:09 AM
Dwight Howard and Yao Ming are the consensus top 2 and Al Jefferson is probably the consensus 3 pick. The vote should just start at #4. Dwight has clearly won at this point.

I don't know....I think if you put a few others up there that there might be a struggle at #3....

BOOZE'nMUSE69
09-05-2008, 01:22 AM
After Dwight and Yao, I think Marcus Camby is the next best center. He is the best rebounder outside of Dwight, best shot blocker by far and a really underrated passer. And he showed he is durable by playing almost every game last season. So he gets my vote for third best center.

DreamShaker
09-05-2008, 01:23 AM
After Dwight and Yao, I think Marcus Camby is the next best center. He is the best rebounder outside of Dwight, best shot blocker by far and a really underrated passer. And he showed he is durable by playing almost every game last season. So he gets my vote for third best center.

You might be right....although him and Chandler are pretty close....

DreamShaker
09-05-2008, 01:24 AM
i really hope this is a joke

I'm suprised it wasn't mentioned more....people hero worship Bynum on this board....

BOOZE'nMUSE69
09-05-2008, 01:36 AM
Yeah Chandler is really good, but I don't think he changes a game to the same extent Camby does. Blocking 11 shots in a game is absurd and I can't think of a player who attackers have to be more conscious of when they drive to the bucket. I'll probably get run off of PSD for this but my list looks like this:

1. Howard
2. Yao
3. Camby
4. Kaman
5. Chandler
6. Jefferson

I'm mush more inclined towards defensive and rebounding centers than scorers. But that is probably why the NBA laughs every time I apply for a coaching job, despite great recommendations and solid people skills...

kid#8
09-05-2008, 01:42 AM
dwight

ARMIN12NBA
09-05-2008, 01:43 AM
After Dwight and Yao, I think Marcus Camby is the next best center. He is the best rebounder outside of Dwight, best shot blocker by far and a really underrated passer. And he showed he is durable by playing almost every game last season. So he gets my vote for third best center.

:laugh2: Marcus Camby and the word durable do not belong in the same sentence. I don't know how long you have followed the NBA, but Marcus Camby is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA.

bigmac8675
09-05-2008, 01:50 AM
wheres bynum?

Dude... you better be kidding. I am sick and tired of the Bynum this, Bynum that talk. cmon guys! He had one half of a good season, thats it! Some of you guys are making him out to be the next Shaq or something.... please stop kidding yourselves.

ARMIN12NBA
09-05-2008, 01:56 AM
Dude... you better be kidding. I am sick and tired of the Bynum this, Bynum that talk. cmon guys! He had one half of a good season, thats it! Some of you guys are making him out to be the next Shaq or something.... please stop kidding yourselves.

Bynum should be on the top 10 or even 6 list. It is not that he is THAT good right now (I think he has tons of potential though and will fulfill it), but its a fact that the center position has been on the downside for a while now.

DreamShaker
09-05-2008, 02:24 AM
Yeah Chandler is really good, but I don't think he changes a game to the same extent Camby does. Blocking 11 shots in a game is absurd and I can't think of a player who attackers have to be more conscious of when they drive to the bucket. I'll probably get run off of PSD for this but my list looks like this:

1. Howard
2. Yao
3. Camby
4. Kaman
5. Chandler
6. Jefferson

I'm mush more inclined towards defensive and rebounding centers than scorers. But that is probably why the NBA laughs every time I apply for a coaching job, despite great recommendations and solid people skills...

No I think that list is just fine....and you've applied for NBA coaching jobs?? Cool! Keep trying!!

ink
09-05-2008, 02:55 AM
Dwight.

ink
09-05-2008, 02:57 AM
Dude... you better be kidding. I am sick and tired of the Bynum this, Bynum that talk. cmon guys! He had one half of a good season, thats it! Some of you guys are making him out to be the next Shaq or something.... please stop kidding yourselves.

The kid is young. Wait a year or two and you won't be posting this. Bynum will be about 4 or 5 this year.

Tom81
09-05-2008, 05:02 AM
Yao Ming if he is healthy he is more complete player

Chronz
09-05-2008, 06:23 AM
We are choosing the better player here... and that is Dwight Howard, No questions asked.

That sounds alot better than saying Dwight because Yao gets hurt too much.

innovator
09-05-2008, 07:14 AM
we should skip to number 4 since 1,2,3 would be dwight,yao,aljeff

astrosmaniac
09-05-2008, 07:43 AM
i think yao, dwight, jefferson, kaman, camby, chandler are all better than bynum as of now

Brian Webstar
09-05-2008, 07:48 AM
Yao's overrated, Dwights def the top center. Yao is the biggest overatted dissapointment really. He was suppose to be alot better then he is. People just give him a pass cuz everybody likes Yao. but he will never live up to that much hype.

GCOOKIE7
09-05-2008, 07:50 AM
Didn't Bynum win most of the match-ups againts these centers? I remember he did great jobs against Dwight and Amare last year.

Brian Webstar
09-05-2008, 07:51 AM
I mean really what has Yao done that is so speciall?? He will NEVER be a dominate center. He's a souped up George Murrasian. I like yao alot as a person, but IM going by stats and other centers and he's far overrated. He lands on the DL twice a year that's it, Howards got the power and true low post moves.

Brian Webstar
09-05-2008, 07:53 AM
Didn't Bynum win most of the match-ups againts these centers? I remember he did great jobs against Dwight and Amare last year.


Yeah but it's too soon for people to start hearing about Bynum, lets wait until he plays a full season, cuz fans now adays have short term memories, players gotta play full seasons for them to remember how a player played, give them time they will see.

cbs134679
09-05-2008, 08:12 AM
Yao is really the better player, but howards just more of a fan favorite because of his freakish athleticism. Yao's more of a threat because of his shooting touch, something that howard doesn't have, which howard himself couldn't stop when they matched up last season.

innovator
09-05-2008, 09:06 AM
Yeah but it's too soon for people to start hearing about Bynum, lets wait until he plays a full season, cuz fans now adays have short term memories, players gotta play full seasons for them to remember how a player played, give them time they will see.

agree 100%

FOBolous
09-05-2008, 09:21 AM
I mean really what has Yao done that is so speciall?? He will NEVER be a dominate center. He's a souped up George Murrasian. I like yao alot as a person, but IM going by stats and other centers and he's far overrated. He lands on the DL twice a year that's it, Howards got the power and true low post moves.

so average 20/10/2 doesn't make him dominant? him needing double teams and triple teams all the time doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to play on both end on the court doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to take over the game and carry the team doesn't make him dominant? him schooling Dwight Howard every time they play against each other doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to change the game doesn't make him dominant?

you want to talk about dominance and you like Howard more? sure Howard is dominant on the defensive end but how bout the offensive end? look what happened to Howard in the Olympics...he was replaced by main as the main go to C because of his complete lack of offensive abilities. If Yao and Bosh were on Team USA...do you think Bosh would be able to take over the C position from Yao? no. never.

so don't be talking about "dominance" when you think Dwight Howard is the better center because that makes you a hypocrite.

Frank Costanza
09-05-2008, 09:43 AM
Are we choosing the healthier player or the better player here?
Good point

Its Yao , Dwight though is amazing, he can score , he can defend he can block and he can change a game, but Yaos addition to any team makes them a champioship contender, Yao's jump shot which when Howard gets will make him the best, is the reason why Yao has a slight edge, Howards blocking ability keeps it close

Frank Costanza
09-05-2008, 09:45 AM
The list is too short, we need at least 5-6 to choose from for a good vote like the other positions

stawka
09-05-2008, 10:08 AM
Good point

Its Yao , Dwight though is amazing, he can score , he can defend he can block and he can change a game, but Yaos addition to any team makes them a champioship contender, Yao's jump shot which when Howard gets will make him the best, is the reason why Yao has a slight edge, Howards blocking ability keeps it close

Really? I didn't know Houston was a Championship contender? In fact, I thought they lost that in the late 90's and it hasn't returned, even with "the best center", T-Mac, and now with Ron Artest they still wont live up to being Championship contenders. They will make noise come Playoff time, but they wont be in elite company.

BoSelecta!!!
09-05-2008, 10:51 AM
heyy i like big al, but he still has a looooonnng way to go

innovator
09-05-2008, 11:06 AM
Really? I didn't know Houston was a Championship contender? In fact, I thought they lost that in the late 90's and it hasn't returned, even with "the best center", T-Mac, and now with Ron Artest they still wont live up to being Championship contenders. They will make noise come Playoff time, but they wont be in elite company.

nah rockets wont make any noise cuz of tmac's first round curse

Faneik
09-05-2008, 11:24 AM
nah rockets wont make any noise cuz of tmac's first round curse

I think you'll have a surprise this year...Not saying the Rockets will top the Western Conference, but they're definetelly 2nd round (at least) material with Artest.

JJ81
09-05-2008, 12:59 PM
You should put more than 3 choices!

ejdacanay
09-05-2008, 03:03 PM
i like how people laugh @ Bynum. and only one or two laughed @ the Jermaine comment. Laker Haterz lol.

IndyRealist
09-05-2008, 03:04 PM
You should put more than 3 choices!

Really it's a two person contest, Howard and Yao. No one else is even close to contention for the #1 center in basketball.

111-51, Howard. Apparently they don't get PSD in China.

Vincent
09-05-2008, 03:10 PM
Dwight is far from dominate on the offensive end.

Yao has all the moves in the post, and is incredibly rare at 7'5.
Stamina is an issue, but when he's actually on the court, I think he's offensively more dominate than Dwight. Plus his incredibly high FT% accounts for a lot, especially in late game situations (rather than Howard, where a coach might even consider pulling him out of the game for offense/defense switches).

Howard is an intimidator on the defensive end, but Yao isn't far behind.

If not for injuries, I think Yao would be the leader, but I don't think that should account for ranking skill sets and talent.

ElishaJ1030
09-05-2008, 03:26 PM
Where's Eddy Curry and Jerome James....Oops, Johan Petro and Robert Swift.

BOOZE'nMUSE69
09-05-2008, 04:06 PM
Where's Eddy Curry and Jerome James....Oops, Johan Petro and Robert Swift.

You forgot Saer Sene.

And in regards to my previous remark about Camby, I know he has injury problems almost every year, but this last year, I think he played 80 or so games. So whether it was luck or conditioning, he was healthy almost all of last year. And I was under the impression this poll was about current centers in their current state (not past or potential)...and if not, then Shaq is the best center in the league based on the past and Dwight is the best based on the future. But I am pretty sure that isn't what the poll is asking...

astrosmaniac
09-05-2008, 04:13 PM
I mean really what has Yao done that is so speciall?? He will NEVER be a dominate center. He's a souped up George Murrasian. I like yao alot as a person, but IM going by stats and other centers and he's far overrated. He lands on the DL twice a year that's it, Howards got the power and true low post moves.

wow, just wow. to say dwight has "true low post moves" is the worst analysis ive ever heard. thats the big knock on him. he DOESNT have the low post moves. his offense is ALL dunks. if he had any sort of jump shot or hook shot, then he would be the best, but he doesn, thats why yao is better

astrosmaniac
09-05-2008, 04:15 PM
i like how people laugh @ Bynum. and only one or two laughed @ the Jermaine comment. Laker Haterz lol.

no one is laughing at the JO comments, cause at one point in time, the was actually a legitament argument that he could be top 4 or 5, while as bynum hasnt done anything yet in his career

richardle9
09-05-2008, 05:29 PM
i dont understand why you guys think d12 is a better center than yao!! im not being biased just because im a rockets fan, its not about whos healthy its about whos BETTER!! i like d12 a lot but all he can do is dunk, rebound, plays good D, and misses freethrows

Sixerlover
09-05-2008, 05:34 PM
Dunking, Rebounding and playing good D is pretty good for a center. I don't want my C stepping out to shoot 15 footers. But I do like both C's, and I'll give the slight edge to Yao at this point because of his post moves.

astrosmaniac
09-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Dunking, Rebounding and playing good D is pretty good for a center. I don't want my C stepping out to shoot 15 footers. But I do like both C's, and I'll give the slight edge to Yao at this point because of his post moves.

well your right to some extent. centers should ne shooting from 15 feet consistantly, but when he has to it would be nice if he couls hit it when he has to go out that far. plus yao has post moves, dwight doesnt

THE NATION
09-05-2008, 05:56 PM
no one is laughing at the JO comments, cause at one point in time, the was actually a legitament argument that he could be top 4 or 5, while as bynum hasnt done anything yet in his career

Like 3 years ago. Thas like putting Shaq in this discussion. JO is washed up until he proves otherwise.

LakerzDQ
09-05-2008, 09:55 PM
oh my god, dwight won by that much? can u say overrated? Yao Ming is the better player.

LakerzDQ
09-05-2008, 09:57 PM
Really it's a two person contest, Howard and Yao. No one else is even close to contention for the #1 center in basketball.

111-51, Howard. Apparently they don't get PSD in China.

lol

cmellofan15
09-05-2008, 10:03 PM
No point of posting since its closed so.....................GO CAMBY!!!!!!!!!!

ShaunRiching9
09-05-2008, 10:32 PM
go to # 2 man

kyomack
09-05-2008, 10:43 PM
jerome james

Brian Webstar
09-06-2008, 04:19 AM
wow, just wow. to say dwight has "true low post moves" is the worst analysis ive ever heard. thats the big knock on him. he DOESNT have the low post moves. his offense is ALL dunks. if he had any sort of jump shot or hook shot, then he would be the best, but he doesn, thats why yao is better

Thats good cuz im no analyist if I was you would see me on tv or radio or something. I have seen Dwight play plenty and where he does dunk alot he is underatted with his moves in the paint, fans just like to hack at younger players weakness. His offense is not ALL dunks. You OBVIOUSLY haven't seen him enough because last year he was developing a jumper.. The thing is when you have that much power down low why throw up sissy jumpers when you can throw it down on virtually anybody, which is the higher percentage shot??

"WOW JUST WOW" (ru serious?? get a life) Shaq didn't develope a low post jump shot til what his 3rd 4th year in the league, Dwight's already shown signs of it improving in his 2nd and came in @ a younger age. IM NOT calling Dwight Shaq by ne means, but why bash on a young player that isn't fully develped?? I don't think you have seen Dwight Play that much, you just saw the highlights on sportcenter which yeah all they show is dunks, maybe you should watch closer this year and see the kid does have a jumper going..
If you wasn't so biased and didn't have tunnel vison you would have noticed, but all you remember is the highlights on sportcenter. But what they gonna show?? couple minutes of Dwight shooting jumpers or most of the fan favorite dunks??

Thats the haters knock on him, but haters don't see a player in the development stage, they just rag and hate on him while he developes thinking it's all he gots. You will see Dwight's jumper this year if you pay attention more closly.
If you can put up the stats Dwight put up with all those dunks, whats wrong with that?? He's def more of a power force then Yao. He will dominate, where Yao never has or never will Dominate a top flight center in the NBA. He's too finese and to injury prone.
Do I like Yao yes, but he's been nothing as advertised, not even close, he was suppose to be the next big thing after Shaq, but guess what he isn't nore will he ever be, Dwight and Bynum have showed more in their young careers then Yao has. His team played better last year after he went down.. He can't run the floor like the other to and can slow down his own teams D.

Difference between Yao ming and Dwight Howard. Yao had a jumper and tried to develope power where, Dwight already has the power and strength and is developing a jumper and don't tell me he has never shot a jump hook before, because he has numerous times. Order NBA league pass and you might learn something, cuz just wathcing SC highlights and a couple games here and there you miss stuff.

Brian Webstar
09-06-2008, 04:19 AM
:clap::clap:
wow, just wow. to say dwight has "true low post moves" is the worst analysis ive ever heard. thats the big knock on him. he DOESNT have the low post moves. his offense is ALL dunks. if he had any sort of jump shot or hook shot, then he would be the best, but he doesn, thats why yao is better

Thats good cuz im no analyist if I was you would see me on tv or radio or something. I have seen Dwight play plenty and where he does dunk alot he is underatted with his moves in the paint, fans just like to hack at younger players weakness. His offense is not ALL dunks. You OBVIOUSLY haven't seen him enough because last year he was developing a jumper.. The thing is when you have that much power down low why throw up sissy jumpers when you can throw it down on virtually anybody, which is the higher percentage shot??

"WOW JUST WOW" (ru serious?? get a life) Shaq didn't develope a low post jump shot til what his 3rd 4th year in the league, Dwight's already shown signs of it improving in his 2nd and came in @ a younger age. IM NOT calling Dwight Shaq by ne means, but why bash on a young player that isn't fully develped?? I don't think you have seen Dwight Play that much, you just saw the highlights on sportcenter which yeah all they show is dunks, maybe you should watch closer this year and see the kid does have a jumper going..
If you wasn't so biased and didn't have tunnel vison you would have noticed, but all you remember is the highlights on sportcenter. But what they gonna show?? couple minutes of Dwight shooting jumpers or most of the fan favorite dunks??

Thats the haters knock on him, but haters don't see a player in the development stage, they just rag and hate on him while he developes thinking it's all he gots. You will see Dwight's jumper this year if you pay attention more closly.
If you can put up the stats Dwight put up with all those dunks, whats wrong with that?? He's def more of a power force then Yao. He will dominate, where Yao never has or never will Dominate a top flight center in the NBA. He's too finese and to injury prone.
Do I like Yao yes, but he's been nothing as advertised, not even close, he was suppose to be the next big thing after Shaq, but guess what he isn't nore will he ever be, Dwight and Bynum have showed more in their young careers then Yao has. His team played better last year after he went down.. He can't run the floor like the other to and can slow down his own teams D.

Difference between Yao ming and Dwight Howard. Yao had a jumper and tried to develope power where, Dwight already has the power and strength and is developing a jumper and don't tell me he has never shot a jump hook before, because he has numerous times. Order NBA league pass and you might learn something, cuz just wathcing SC highlights and a couple games here and there you miss stuff.

Brian Webstar
09-06-2008, 04:36 AM
so average 20/10/2 doesn't make him dominant? him needing double teams and triple teams all the time doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to play on both end on the court doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to take over the game and carry the team doesn't make him dominant? him schooling Dwight Howard every time they play against each other doesn't make him dominant? him having the ability to change the game doesn't make him dominant?

you want to talk about dominance and you like Howard more? sure Howard is dominant on the defensive end but how bout the offensive end? look what happened to Howard in the Olympics...he was replaced by main as the main go to C because of his complete lack of offensive abilities. If Yao and Bosh were on Team USA...do you think Bosh would be able to take over the C position from Yao? no. never.

so don't be talking about "dominance" when you think Dwight Howard is the better center because that makes you a hypocrite.


him having the ability to play on both end on the court doesn't make him dominant?

Don't be hypocrite yourself because YAO doesn't have the ability to play both ends. Sure you can block some shots when your 7 5 but did you not notice the ROCKETS PLAYED BETTER when YAO WENT DOWN last season???
He SLOWS THE D DOWN... Howard and Bynum both get up and down the floor faster and play more transition D. Just like Mutumbo did quicker when he was playing in Yao's place.. Whats he 45?? how old is Yao?? and with Dikembe in the Rockets lineup they ran more and got back on transiton quicker.
You guys can have Yao ming, but you do bring up a point, both Yao and Dwight have weakness's. I like Dwight more cuz he will still improve and is alot younger.. And when finished thats when we will see who really is the better center, but your point brings up something very important here, this is why people are all Bynum crazed, because since Shaq there have been no true center.. Bynum has the hook, Bynum has the jumpshot, Bynum can get up and down the court, Bynum doesn't slow his team down, and if he stays healthy this year he's gonna be better then Yao, Dwight and Al Jeffereson, this is such a pathetic thread it's not even funny. We are debating which is the best center, when really The 3 top options aren't even close to Shaq,Ewingor Robinson which we had in the 90's.. Yao is overrated he will never win a ring, Dwight and Al will keep imoproving, but at this point in time the NBA is in a sad positon for centers.
Bynum,Oden and Howard is the NBAs hope this decade, and isn't Jeffersons NATURAL postion PF.. What a JOKE!!!

Brian Webstar
09-06-2008, 04:43 AM
him having the ability to play on both end on the court doesn't make him dominant?

Don't be hypocrite yourself because YAO doesn't have the ability to play both ends. Sure you can block some shots when your 7 5 but did you not notice the ROCKETS PLAYED BETTER when YAO WENT DOWN last season???
He SLOWS THE D DOWN... Howard and Bynum both get up and down the floor faster and play more transition D. Just like Mutumbo did quicker when he was playing in Yao's place.. Whats he 45?? how old is Yao?? and with Dikembe in the Rockets lineup they ran more and got back on transiton quicker.
You guys can have Yao ming, but you do bring up a point, both Yao and Dwight have weakness's. I like Dwight more cuz he will still improve and is alot younger.. And when finished thats when we will see who really is the better center, but your point brings up something very important here, this is why people are all Bynum crazed, because since Shaq there have been no true center.. Bynum has the hook, Bynum has the jumpshot, Bynum can get up and down the court, Bynum doesn't slow his team down, and if he stays healthy this year he's gonna be better then Yao, Dwight and Al Jeffereson, this is such a pathetic thread it's not even funny. We are debating which is the best center, when really The 3 top options aren't even close to Shaq,Ewingor Robinson which we had in the 90's.. Yao is overrated he will never win a ring, Dwight and Al will keep imoproving, but at this point in time the NBA is in a sad positon for centers.
Bynum,Oden and Howard is the NBAs hope this decade, and isn't Jeffersons NATURAL postion PF.. What a JOKE!!!

The 3 top options aren't even close to Shaq,Ewingor Robinson which we had in the 90's..

And don't forget Hakeem who is 2nd on that list.. This is why everybody LOVES BYNUM so much, he's the only one to show ability on both ends and can run the floor unlike Yao.. Until we see what Oden's got, Bynum really belongs in this list top 3..

Brian Webstar
09-06-2008, 04:57 AM
no one is laughing at the JO comments, cause at one point in time, the was actually a legitament argument that he could be top 4 or 5, while as bynum hasnt done anything yet in his career

But he is more polished then DHoward down low, he's got post moves, he can dominate not just a player but a game(proven), and this year he will prove that again. And he won't slow the D down like Yao.. You guys say you want proven, but it's hard to vote when there isn't a whole lot of proven out there. You could scractch Howard and Al Jefferson(who's really a powerforward) from this list.. And that leaves Yao and a bunch of unprovens. We all will see who's where on the list of best center after this season and I CAN'T WAIT... because reading through this thread and what everbody has to say, at first I wasn't gonna vote Bynum, but why not?? So he's young, so he didn't play a full season.. Yao's got better post moves then Howard sure, but he slows the D down.. But if you guy's are voting on the best center.. Im gonna vote for the guy I think will do more for his team then any of the above.
Im voting for Andrew Bynum and after this season I will eat all the crow you guys can feed me.. I can't wait for the games to start now... Bynum's polished on both ends and will beat Yao down the floor EVERY TIME...
Thats all I got to say on this stupid thread.
Peace

LakerzDQ
09-06-2008, 06:56 AM
i think yao, dwight, jefferson, kaman, camby, chandler are all better than bynum as of now

I agree, Bynum still isn't better than many players. but I just wanna ask, how would chandler be better? Bynum basically did the same thing he did, plus a bit more. Bynum finished alley-oops, and dunks, just like Chandler. Bynum blocked shots better than Chandler. but Chandler's man D was a bit better than Bynum's. Bynum was a better scorer than Chandler, with better touch around the basket, more low post moves. Bynum could finish his 3-point plays as well, his FT shooting was pretty good.

I'm just saying.

astrosmaniac
09-06-2008, 10:51 AM
Thats good cuz im no analyist if I was you would see me on tv or radio or something. I have seen Dwight play plenty and where he does dunk alot he is underatted with his moves in the paint, fans just like to hack at younger players weakness. His offense is not ALL dunks. You OBVIOUSLY haven't seen him enough because last year he was developing a jumper.. The thing is when you have that much power down low why throw up sissy jumpers when you can throw it down on virtually anybody, which is the higher percentage shot??

"WOW JUST WOW" (ru serious?? get a life) Shaq didn't develope a low post jump shot til what his 3rd 4th year in the league, Dwight's already shown signs of it improving in his 2nd and came in @ a younger age. IM NOT calling Dwight Shaq by ne means, but why bash on a young player that isn't fully develped?? I don't think you have seen Dwight Play that much, you just saw the highlights on sportcenter which yeah all they show is dunks, maybe you should watch closer this year and see the kid does have a jumper going..
If you wasn't so biased and didn't have tunnel vison you would have noticed, but all you remember is the highlights on sportcenter. But what they gonna show?? couple minutes of Dwight shooting jumpers or most of the fan favorite dunks??

Thats the haters knock on him, but haters don't see a player in the development stage, they just rag and hate on him while he developes thinking it's all he gots. You will see Dwight's jumper this year if you pay attention more closly.
If you can put up the stats Dwight put up with all those dunks, whats wrong with that?? He's def more of a power force then Yao. He will dominate, where Yao never has or never will Dominate a top flight center in the NBA. He's too finese and to injury prone.
Do I like Yao yes, but he's been nothing as advertised, not even close, he was suppose to be the next big thing after Shaq, but guess what he isn't nore will he ever be, Dwight and Bynum have showed more in their young careers then Yao has. His team played better last year after he went down.. He can't run the floor like the other to and can slow down his own teams D.

Difference between Yao ming and Dwight Howard. Yao had a jumper and tried to develope power where, Dwight already has the power and strength and is developing a jumper and don't tell me he has never shot a jump hook before, because he has numerous times. Order NBA league pass and you might learn something, cuz just wathcing SC highlights and a couple games here and there you miss stuff.
and he could develope a jumper, but were talking right NOW. he doesnt have a jumper right now, yao does. also have you missed how yao has dominated dwight everytime they have played? thats pretty dominant dont you think

The 3 top options aren't even close to Shaq,Ewingor Robinson which we had in the 90's..

And don't forget Hakeem who is 2nd on that list.. This is why everybody LOVES BYNUM so much, he's the only one to show ability on both ends and can run the floor unlike Yao.. Until we see what Oden's got, Bynum really belongs in this list top 3..

seriously dude? you just quoted yourself, contradicted yourself, and said bynum belongs inthe top 3. even lakers fans will admit hes not top 3. also yao is a good player on offense and defense

Hawkeye15
09-06-2008, 02:30 PM
No I think that list is just fine....and you've applied for NBA coaching jobs?? Cool! Keep trying!!

I usually like your posts man, but if you would take Kaman, Chandler, or Camby over Al Jefferson for the upcoming season, I have to disagree 100% here. Big Al is a 23-12 center this year, with 2 blocks. Everyone loves to talk about how young Bynum and Howard are. Jefferson will be 23 when the season starts.

IversonIsKrazy
09-06-2008, 06:25 PM
whens the #2 coming out?

ejdacanay
09-06-2008, 07:07 PM
no one is laughing at the JO comments, cause at one point in time, the was actually a legitament argument that he could be top 4 or 5, while as bynum hasnt done anything yet in his career

look at the topic silly. its #1 CENTER In the Game TODAY!.

Westbrook36
09-06-2008, 07:14 PM
Bynum cant make the list untill 5, Im sorry but if you put him on too soon he will automatically win

Hawkeye15
09-06-2008, 08:22 PM
1. Howard
2. Yao
3. Jefferson
4. Camby
5. Chandler
6. Biedrins
7. Kaman
8. Bogut
9. Ilgauskas
10. Bynum

If Oden lives up to expectations, he gets in too.

IversonIsKrazy
09-06-2008, 11:19 PM
1. D12
2. Yao
3. Jefferson
4. Kaman
5. Chandler
6. Camby
7. Bogut
8. Biedrins
9. AB17
10. Big Z

IversonIsKrazy
09-06-2008, 11:21 PM
actually i rank

10. Shaq
11. Big Z

cbs134679
09-06-2008, 11:22 PM
The truth to whos better
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/54696-who-is-the-best-center-yao-ming-vs-dwight-howard

richardle9
09-06-2008, 11:54 PM
The truth to whos better
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/54696-who-is-the-best-center-yao-ming-vs-dwight-howard

great article

Brian Webstar
09-07-2008, 12:00 AM
and he could develope a jumper, but were talking right NOW. he doesnt have a jumper right now, yao does. also have you missed how yao has dominated dwight everytime they have played? thats pretty dominant dont you think


seriously dude? you just quoted yourself, contradicted yourself, and said bynum belongs inthe top 3. even lakers fans will admit hes not top 3. also yao is a good player on offense and defense


Yeah I did, cuz I left some out,, Yao is good on Ofense and Good on Defense when it's not a fast break, I think you forgot how the Rockets took off after he got hurt last season. Transition was more fluid, and Im not bashing the other Laker fans by any means, you or whoever, I just truley believe Bynum is in the Top 3, will he get there this year remains to be seen, but we will see. and Like I said I will eat all the crow in the world, maybe Im wrong Maybe im wright, it doesn't matter.
Time will tell man, the truth will be told.
Peace:)

Diewitdaknicks
09-07-2008, 12:20 AM
Dwight, and he'll only get better.

$KnicksAndKobe$
09-07-2008, 12:24 AM
The truth to whos better
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/54696-who-is-the-best-center-yao-ming-vs-dwight-howard
Yep even the article says its Yao
Dwight got the voted because of age and his popularity because of teamusa/dunk contest and being a "funny" guy.