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Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 06:54 PM
Excluding D Howard, because you should be locked up if he isn't the first choice, who would you take to start your team today between the 24 and under players in the poll?

Nets fan 93
08-31-2008, 06:55 PM
Bynum

goku
08-31-2008, 06:59 PM
al jefferson

bostncelts34
08-31-2008, 06:59 PM
Big Al. Loved him in Boston...has amazing touch on the offensive end. Just needs a little help on the defensive end. But id love to start my team around a guy like him

G-Funk
08-31-2008, 07:01 PM
Center Bynum.

PF Al Jefferson.

lakerboy
08-31-2008, 07:01 PM
Bynum or Al Jefferson.

I've yet to see Oden though.

Reezy
08-31-2008, 07:02 PM
lol - nevermind.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:03 PM
lol - nevermind.

read my initial line. He isn't in it because it would be a useless poll. Dang, you beat me to you on your correction. Hehe

ARMIN12NBA
08-31-2008, 07:07 PM
Center- Andrew Bynum
Power Forward- Al Jefferson

These are the best players for each position under the age of 24 including past play and potential.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:08 PM
one selection. copping out if you pick Jefferson at PF, he played center the whole year.

Reezy
08-31-2008, 07:09 PM
Center- Andrew Bynum
Power Forward- Al Jefferson

These are the best players for each position under the age of 24 including past play and potential.
I'd say we need to see Greg Oden play before we determine that.

ARMIN12NBA
08-31-2008, 07:09 PM
one selection. copping out if you pick Jefferson at PF, he played center the whole year.

He'd be more effective at PF.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:10 PM
He'd be more effective at PF.

agreed, but with Love there, he will be back at center. Anyway, the point is to pick one guy.

bigmac8675
08-31-2008, 07:13 PM
Beidrins... the guy just gets better and better every year.

marvILLous
08-31-2008, 07:13 PM
Chris Bosh..?

on the poll.. Jefferson

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:17 PM
Chris Bosh..?

on the poll.. Jefferson

all the players on the poll are under 24, sorry, misleading opening statement.

Squad13
08-31-2008, 07:18 PM
Beidrins... the guy just gets better and better every year.

Are you serious?

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:22 PM
Are you serious?

he did lead the NBA in fg%, and have a 27 rebound game, plus he has a nasty streak. That is why I put him on the poll, but I didn't pick him

bigmac8675
08-31-2008, 07:29 PM
Are you serious?

Yes I am.... not only for the reasons Hawkeye just stated above but also like I said he gets better and better every year. While the leader in votes, Bynum, IMO is overrated. Everyone speculates he is this great player based not even on a whole season. Is Bynum good? Yes, he is a good center.... but honestly at this point in time I see Beidrins having the bigger upside. Every year he improves, and he has been in the league since he was 18 and is only 22 now (and yes I understand everyone on here is young and under 24).... so the experience factor, plus the fact that he keeps improving is why I chose him.
But no worries.... I have love for everyone on the poll.

njnets
08-31-2008, 07:34 PM
bosh

edit: just saw that he turned 25 in march. i would still chose him though.

#1Mavericksfan
08-31-2008, 07:39 PM
Al Jefferson all day...I know he's a PF but I would move him to C and blow team out with Jefferson at C and Dirk playing PF.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 07:59 PM
Al Jefferson all day...I know he's a PF but I would move him to C and blow team out with Jefferson at C and Dirk playing PF.

talk about the perfect pairing. Al does everything Dirk doesn't and likwise.

Ph1lly Diehard
08-31-2008, 08:14 PM
Big Jeff

BRADfromOZ
08-31-2008, 08:22 PM
I'm going with Lamarcus Aldridge untill i can find a way to make Josh Smith grow a few more inches.

JMan17
08-31-2008, 08:35 PM
Bynum by a mile

Sox Appeal
08-31-2008, 08:39 PM
I'll take Greg Oden. I would also take him over DH12, but that isn't the poll question.. I see Oden being a modern day version of Bill Russell. Everywhere Oden has gone, winning seems to follow. In HS, he never lost a postseason game, and won a state championship in every season that he played. (In Indiana, which is a MAJOR basketball state) Then when he went to Ohio State the Buckeyes won the Big - 10 regular season and tournament finals with ease. He was forced to miss the beginning of the season with a right wrist injury which meant he was going to play the entire season with pretty much 1 hand. That meant everything that he did on a basketball court, he would be forced to favor his left hand. (Pretty tough when you where born right handed, eh?) But that didn't slow him down at all, he won Big - 10 Player of the year, and NCAA Player of the year. He's also a major rebounding threat and shot blocking threat. Which means he's somebody you could anchor your defense around for the next 15 seasons.

Halladay
08-31-2008, 08:41 PM
Well, I've always loved Smith's game(who doesn't). Smith is one of the most unique players in the NBA. He's right up their with Marion. I'd take Smith but there's some bias there obviously. Next would be Al Jeff, third would be Bynum but he's still unproven in my eyes.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 08:54 PM
I'll take Greg Oden. I would also take him over DH12, but that isn't the poll question.. I see Oden being a modern day version of Bill Russell. Everywhere Oden has gone, winning seems to follow. In HS, he never lost a postseason game, and won a state championship in every season that he played. (In Indiana, which is a MAJOR basketball state) Then when he went to Ohio State the Buckeyes won the Big - 10 regular season and tournament finals with ease. He was forced to miss the beginning of the season with a right wrist injury which meant he was going to play the entire season with pretty much 1 hand. That meant everything that he did on a basketball court, he would be forced to favor his left hand. (Pretty tough when you where born right handed, eh?) But that didn't slow him down at all, he won Big - 10 Player of the year, and NCAA Player of the year. He's also a major rebounding threat and shot blocking threat. Which means he's somebody you could anchor your defense around for the next 15 seasons.


eeck, over Dwight Howard, the man has already had an NBA rebounding crown, is 23, and a gold medalist as our starting center. C'mon man, Oden hasn't even played a game yet. Lets see what he does before we claim him better than Dwight freakin Howard

Cavs_Fan24
08-31-2008, 08:58 PM
Al Jefferson.

fins08
08-31-2008, 09:01 PM
A-Jeff

ARMIN12NBA
08-31-2008, 09:09 PM
Yes I am.... not only for the reasons Hawkeye just stated above but also like I said he gets better and better every year. While the leader in votes, Bynum, IMO is overrated. Everyone speculates he is this great player based not even on a whole season. Is Bynum good? Yes, he is a good center.... but honestly at this point in time I see Beidrins having the bigger upside. Every year he improves, and he has been in the league since he was 18 and is only 22 now (and yes I understand everyone on here is young and under 24).... so the experience factor, plus the fact that he keeps improving is why I chose him.
But no worries.... I have love for everyone on the poll.

Andirs Biedrins is 22 years old. Andrew Bynum is 20 years old.

Last years stats as a starter:

Biedrins- 11 PPG, 11 RPG, 1 BPG, 1 APG, 61% shooting
Bynum- 15 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 BPG, 2 APG, 66% shooting

It looks as if Bynum is better now. Not to mention that he is two years younger.

BRADfromOZ
08-31-2008, 09:13 PM
eeck, over Dwight Howard, the man has already had an NBA rebounding crown, is 23, and a gold medalist as our starting center. C'mon man, Oden hasn't even played a game yet. Lets see what he does before we claim him better than Dwight freakin Howard
:nod:

$ NyC $
08-31-2008, 09:23 PM
i can't wait 2 see if Mr.Oden can live up 2 all this hype..all this once in a generation type center and what not

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 09:25 PM
Andirs Biedrins is 22 years old. Andrew Bynum is 20 years old.

Last years stats as a starter:

Biedrins- 11 PPG, 11 RPG, 1 BPG, 1 APG, 61% shooting
Bynum- 15 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 BPG, 2 APG, 66% shooting

It looks as if Bynum is better now. Not to mention that he is two years younger.

agreed, but I will say this, Bynum isn't in good enough shape to play for GS. Biedrins is an under the radar, good player.

ARMIN12NBA
08-31-2008, 09:31 PM
agreed, but I will say this, Bynum isn't in good enough shape to play for GS. Biedrins is an under the radar, good player.

I agree. Biedrins is a pretty good player, but I just think Bynum is better.

I don't know if you believe head-to-head matchups are a good way to tell which player is better, but check out these numbers.

Bynum against Golden State (2 games)- 19 PPG, 14 RPG, 3 BPG, 3 APG, 70% shooting
Andris against Lakers (same 2 games)- 8 PPG, 9 RPG, 1 BPG, 0.5 APG, 58% shooting

nygiants242
08-31-2008, 09:47 PM
Bynum fosho, kind of a homer pick though. Biedrins.. are you kidding me?? haha

GCOOKIE7
08-31-2008, 09:52 PM
Al or Josh
Deadly

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 09:58 PM
I agree. Biedrins is a pretty good player, but I just think Bynum is better.

I don't know if you believe head-to-head matchups are a good way to tell which player is better, but check out these numbers.

Bynum against Golden State (2 games)- 19 PPG, 14 RPG, 3 BPG, 3 APG, 70% shooting
Andris against Lakers (same 2 games)- 8 PPG, 9 RPG, 1 BPG, 0.5 APG, 58% shooting

All the Deron Williams fans like to pull out the Williams-Paul head to head games, and Williams is better on those occasions. But I am sorry, Paul is the best PG in the world. And I just answered an Amare thread earlier, about Al Jefferson vs Amare, and Big Al averaged 31-15, Amare 24-8, against each other. So no, I don't base opinions on head to head matchups all the time. That being said, I would take Big Al for the money he will be making, vs what Amare already makes, and will command for an extension

cmellofan15
08-31-2008, 10:01 PM
^ Ever heard of Nash?

ARMIN12NBA
08-31-2008, 10:04 PM
All the Deron Williams fans like to pull out the Williams-Paul head to head games, and Williams is better on those occasions. But I am sorry, Paul is the best PG in the world. And I just answered an Amare thread earlier, about Al Jefferson vs Amare, and Big Al averaged 31-15, Amare 24-8, against each other. So no, I don't base opinions on head to head matchups all the time. That being said, I would take Big Al for the money he will be making, vs what Amare already makes, and will command for an extension

:laugh2: True. I'm not a Deron Williams fan, but I think he is better and often pull out those stats. I just like his strength advantage (Deron is a better shooter at 51%, but I feel they are even passers), which enables him to dominate little guys like Paul. To me, Deron never gets into a PG matchup where he is dominated because of his size while Paul has nightmares over bigger players. That is just my opinion though.

Hawkeye15
08-31-2008, 10:06 PM
:laugh2: True. I'm not a Deron Williams fan, but I think he is better and often pull out those stats. I just like his strength advantage (Deron is a better shooter at 51%, but I feel they are even passers), which enables him to dominate little guys like Paul. To me, Deron never gets into a PG matchup where he is dominated because of his size while Paul has nightmares over bigger players. That is just my opinion though.

Paul has that Stockton thing going on, where you have no f'ing idea how he just made that pass. Plus, you can not keep him out of the lane. Anyways, I love both guys, this was a discussion on young big men

cmellofan15
08-31-2008, 10:09 PM
What about Nash???????????????????????????????????????

astrosmaniac
08-31-2008, 10:21 PM
im going to say al jefferson over oden or bynum. because hes proved he can perform at an elite level for more than 30 games

still1ballin
08-31-2008, 10:37 PM
drew!

bigmac8675
08-31-2008, 10:45 PM
Andirs Biedrins is 22 years old. Andrew Bynum is 20 years old.

Last years stats as a starter:

Biedrins- 11 PPG, 11 RPG, 1 BPG, 1 APG, 61% shooting
Bynum- 15 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 BPG, 2 APG, 66% shooting

It looks as if Bynum is better now. Not to mention that he is two years younger.

When Bynum can keep those numbers up for a whole season, then I will agree with you.

marvILLous
09-01-2008, 12:21 AM
all the players on the poll are under 24, sorry, misleading opening statement.

Bosh is only 24 though

DreamShaker
09-01-2008, 12:34 AM
I'd say we need to see Greg Oden play before we determine that.

I agree and Oden has more skill and potential....Bynum is obviously gonna win on past production because Oden has yet to play an entire game....

blazers=future
09-01-2008, 03:42 AM
The Blazers have two players on this poll!
The future looked bright last year and Oden hasn't even played yet!
Good job Pritch!

ertanozgur
09-01-2008, 04:12 AM
Oden

Dol-Fan
09-01-2008, 05:09 AM
Bosh is only 24 though

under 24, not under 25. To simplify, 23 and under.

I pick Bynum, guys 20 years old and averaging a double-double with huge blocks. However, that pick could easily change to Oden if he performs as expected. Both of them have had major knee injuries at a young age though so let's hope it doesn't affect either of them. Jefferson is too small and ineffective defensively to be a center, where the braindead Timberwolves plan to play him (seriously, what are they doing with that team? if someone can explain... sorry OT :p )

Fireworld
09-01-2008, 05:18 AM
Bynum or Greg Oden

Tom81
09-01-2008, 05:21 AM
Al Jefferson

Hawkeye15
09-01-2008, 11:13 AM
Bosh is only 24 though

under. read it again

m26555
09-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Jefferson, without question. The guy is already dropping 21 and 11.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2008, 11:16 AM
under 24, not under 25. To simplify, 23 and under.

I pick Bynum, guys 20 years old and averaging a double-double with huge blocks. However, that pick could easily change to Oden if he performs as expected. Both of them have had major knee injuries at a young age though so let's hope it doesn't affect either of them. Jefferson is too small and ineffective defensively to be a center, where the braindead Timberwolves plan to play him (seriously, what are they doing with that team? if someone can explain... sorry OT :p )

Timberwolves started over. I won't waste anyone's time with going into their rebuilding efforts, but when you can't win with KG, and your team is 32-50, you gut it. In 3 years, they will be a really good team. Everyone talks about Portland as being the young, up and coming team, Minnesota is younger, if you look at the core players, and has talent everywhere. And yes, Jefferson is out of position, but I would rather have a 21-11 out of position center who has proven he can take the load over 82 games, in which he did play, over a "potential" tagged center who didn't stay on the floor

m26555
09-01-2008, 11:19 AM
under 24, not under 25. To simplify, 23 and under.

I pick Bynum, guys 20 years old and averaging a double-double with huge blocks. However, that pick could easily change to Oden if he performs as expected. Both of them have had major knee injuries at a young age though so let's hope it doesn't affect either of them. Jefferson is too small and ineffective defensively to be a center, where the braindead Timberwolves plan to play him (seriously, what are they doing with that team? if someone can explain... sorry OT :p )
Jefferson is too small? You realize he's 6'10", 265, right?...He also has a colossal strength advantage over Bynum..

Hawkeye15
09-01-2008, 11:27 AM
The Blazers have two players on this poll!
The future looked bright last year and Oden hasn't even played yet!
Good job Pritch!

so so the Hawks, which means sometimes, having young studs is only a sign of your team always being bad and in the lottery. But I do think the Blazers have a very bright future.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2008, 11:37 AM
seriously, who voted for Bogut?