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Mile High Champ
08-27-2008, 10:43 PM
Hey everyone, we will be continuing the series to find a true top 10 list at each spot. We are on onto the POWER FORWARDS... I ended the first poll early as Duncan was the clear cut winner. Garnett will get the 2nd spot because he would of been voted there anyway with Duncan being number 1. We are onto number 3...

Like I said before, I will add more players to the list as soon as we put another guy on the top 10 list.

PS: Please do not start any threads with the same title. I am capable of conducting the polls and completing the series of threads to find the top 10 players at each position. If I need some help I will ask for it. Thanks for your time.

An updated list of the polls we have completed can be found here..
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261272

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)

So People dont keep asking me where Al Jefferson is, he is listed as a center on the depth chart of every major nba site. HE will be on the center list, not the powerforward list.. Thanks for understanding!

dre1990
08-27-2008, 10:45 PM
this go's to Carlos Boozer fo so *****

ARMIN12NBA
08-27-2008, 10:49 PM
I accidently voted for Pau Gasol, but I actually wanted to cast my vote for Chris Bosh.

knicks1214
08-27-2008, 10:54 PM
I voted for S.T.A.T but Bosh is in a very very very close race with him in my mind.

Mile High Champ
08-27-2008, 10:55 PM
I accidently voted for Pau Gasol, but I actually wanted to cast my vote for Chris Bosh.

I will add your vote at the end if it comes down to one vote.. No worries..

cheers

ARMIN12NBA
08-27-2008, 10:56 PM
I will add your vote at the end if it comes down to one vote.. No worries..

cheers

Thanks :clap:

Hawkeye15
08-27-2008, 10:59 PM
As bad as Amare is on defense, I gave him the vote. Sorry Brand, I may regret that vote. You too Bosh. Add Al Jefferson please, he masqueraded as a center, but he is a PF

mrblisterdundee
08-27-2008, 11:01 PM
I had to vote for Amare Stoudemire, because he's still available. In terms of raw ability, and as an individual player, Amare is the best power forward in the game today. Playing center has made him more of a beast than any other. Tim's good at the fundamentals and team play, but he's an overweight old man compared to Stoudemire. It's the same story, except for the weight, with Kevin Garnett. He's about as good as Chris Bosh.

still1ballin
08-27-2008, 11:04 PM
gotta go with amare

SeoulBeatz
08-27-2008, 11:05 PM
Amare
then Bosh
then Brand

money son!

Raps08-09 Champ
08-27-2008, 11:07 PM
Im a big Bosh Fan but i had to vote for Amare cuz he is an explosive player and he can produce every game

people thing he would be nothing if nash wasnt around but he can still dominate but he gotta improve on his offensive game if he dont got nash cuz he gets most of his offensive game with the help of nash

RocketsRule
08-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Amare

Still has some room to improve but he can rebound and score with the best of them. Not to mention he is athletic as hell.

Bosh is close though, great post game and mid range jumper, although he's kind of soft.

Mile High Champ
08-27-2008, 11:08 PM
This looks like a two horse race with Bosh and Amare, should be interesting. Personally I say Go BOSH..haha

amare#1
08-27-2008, 11:09 PM
Has to be Amare. Bosh is a great power forward but I don't think he is quite as good as Amare. Compare their stats from last season:

Minutes: Amare 34 and Bosh 36.
Points: Amare 25 and Bosh 22.
Rebounds: Amare 9.1 and Bosh 8.7.
Assists: Amare 1.5 and Bosh 2.6.
Blocks: Amare 2.1 and Bosh 1.
Steals: Amare 0.8 and Bosh 0.9.
FG%: Amare 0.590% and Bosh 0.494%
FT%: Amare 0.805% and Bosh 0.833%
Turnovers: Amare 2.2 and Bosh 2.28

In less minutes than Bosh, Amare wins in every stat except assists, steals by 0.1, and ft% not by much either. So I personally see Amare as being better!

Hawkeye15
08-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Has to be Amare. Bosh is a great power forward but I don't think he is quite as good as Amare. Compare their stats from last season:

Minutes: Amare 34 and Bosh 36.
Points: Amare 25 and Bosh 22.
Rebounds: Amare 9.1 and Bosh 8.7.
Assists: Amare 1.5 and Bosh 2.6.
Blocks: Amare 2.1 and Bosh 1.
Steals: Amare 0.8 and Bosh 0.9.
FG%: Amare 0.590% and Bosh 0.494%
FT%: Amare 0.805% and Bosh 0.833%
Turnovers: Amare 2.2 and Bosh 2.28

In less minutes than Bosh, Amare wins in every stat except assists, steals by 0.1, and ft% not by much either. So I personally see Amare as being better!

stats aren't everything. If Bosh had Nash handing him cupcakes every night, his numbers would be better. That beind said, I voted for Amare. I am king of regretting it now.

JordansBulls
08-27-2008, 11:11 PM
WTH, how does Dirk have no votes?

:pity:

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:15 PM
Has to be Amare. Bosh is a great power forward but I don't think he is quite as good as Amare. Compare their stats from last season:

Minutes: Amare 34 and Bosh 36.
Points: Amare 25 and Bosh 22.
Rebounds: Amare 9.1 and Bosh 8.7.
Assists: Amare 1.5 and Bosh 2.6.
Blocks: Amare 2.1 and Bosh 1.
Steals: Amare 0.8 and Bosh 0.9.
FG%: Amare 0.590% and Bosh 0.494%
FT%: Amare 0.805% and Bosh 0.833%
Turnovers: Amare 2.2 and Bosh 2.28

In less minutes than Bosh, Amare wins in every stat except assists, steals by 0.1, and ft% not by much either. So I personally see Amare as being better!
not that your a homer or anything
The suns also tended to run a shitload more than the raptors if I remember
correctly

Bosh also has much better D

Mile High Champ
08-27-2008, 11:15 PM
Pau only has one vote, one vote was miscast for Pau, was intended for Bosh.. Bosh has an additional vote to clarify so everyone knows....

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:16 PM
WTH, how does Dirk have no votes?

:pity:
BECUZ HE IS A STUPED CHOKER EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A WAY ABOVE 20/10 AVERAGE IN THE PLAYOFFZ. AND HE IS STUPID

amare#1
08-27-2008, 11:17 PM
stats aren't everything. If Bosh had Nash handing him cupcakes every night, his numbers would be better. That beind said, I voted for Amare. I am king of regretting it now.

Good vote. The combo of TJ and Calderon adds up to more assists than Nash's assist count.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:17 PM
Pau only has one vote, one vote was miscast for Pau, was intended for Bosh.. Bosh has an additional vote to clarify so everyone knows....

also I meant to vote for bosh not brand :pity:

I Am Awesome-O
08-27-2008, 11:18 PM
Stoudemire. Bosh is a really close second, but sometimes Amare is just unstoppable.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:18 PM
Good vote. The combo of TJ and Calderon adds up to more assists than Nash's assist count.

and when were both healthy?

bogdanrom
08-27-2008, 11:20 PM
I went with Amare, but barely edgeing out Bosh.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:23 PM
Good vote. The combo of TJ and Calderon adds up to more assists than Nash's assist count.

oh and also
Amare was assisted on74% of his inside shot's

bosh was assisted on 56% of his inside shots

amare#1
08-27-2008, 11:23 PM
and when were both healthy?

Don't know exactly, but they played 51 games together. Anyway, scoring is only one of the categories where he beats Bosh despite fewer minutes.

Hawkeye15
08-27-2008, 11:27 PM
Don't know exactly, but they played 51 games together. Anyway, scoring is only one of the categories where he beats Bosh despite fewer minutes.

since Phx isn't interested in guarding anyone, more posessions mean more opportunities for pts, rbs, stls, assts, etc. I take my vote back. Amare is so bad on defense, I would rather have Bosh.

JermanJaysFan
08-27-2008, 11:34 PM
Stoudemire. Bosh is a really close second, but sometimes Amare is just unstoppable.

So is Bosh.

Bosh had 4 40+ point performances this year, while Amare had two.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:35 PM
Don't know exactly. But they played 51 games together. Anyway, scoring is only one of the categories where he beats Bosh despite fewer minutes.

no bosh also beats him in D rating O rebound %,points per game in this years playoffs, asiists in both reg season and playoffs, FT% in the playoffs,

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:39 PM
since Phx isn't interested in guarding anyone, more posessions mean more opportunities for pts, rbs, stls, assts, etc. I take my vote back. Amare is so bad on defense, I would rather have Bosh.

Yeah the suns were the 4th fastest paced team in the NBA raptors 22nd
And the suns D rating was also lower
So high pace+bad D=more possesions

amare#1
08-27-2008, 11:41 PM
I'm not going to deny that Bosh is a much better defender than Amare. Amare's D probably cops more **** than it deserves, quote from draft express about Amare: "A nice weakside shot blocker who is starting to improve his defense on a night-to-night basis". But yeah Bosh is a better defender.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:44 PM
I'm not going to deny that Bosh is a much better defender than Amare. Amare's D probably cops more **** than it deserves, quote from draft express about Amare: "A nice weakside shot blocker who is starting to improve his defense on a night-to-night basis". But yeah Bosh is a better defender.
Most people know draft express sucks ***
Case in point they had all american as a junior in HS lance stephenson as the 4th SG in HS for this season

And most people also agree blocks are usually gambles that when they fail(they usually do) gives the other team an easy bucket

Bosh=nextKG
08-27-2008, 11:45 PM
Amare has always had help whether it's been Marion and Nash or Shaq and Nash. Each of those 2 pairs had to be payed attention to while Bosh is the only man on his team who is a real threat. Calderon has evolved into a threat this year. With O'neal, Bosh will have an easier time becasue of the one on one d. Bosh is the better player.

ARMIN12NBA
08-27-2008, 11:46 PM
I'm not going to deny that Bosh is a much better defender than Amare. Amare's D probably cops more **** than it deserves, quote from draft express about Amare: "A nice weakside shot blocker who is starting to improve his defense on a night-to-night basis". But yeah Bosh is a better defender.

I feel his defense doesn't get enough criticism. He is a terrible defender. He has zero basketball IQ on the defensive end and looks lost out there. I saw this one clip analyzing his defense and he was literally just dumb-founded out there. He had no idea where to go and what to do on defense. He is an offensive force, but he is clearly an atrocious defender.

amare#1
08-27-2008, 11:47 PM
Amare has always had help whether it's been Marion and Nash or Shaq and Nash. Each of those 2 pairs had to be payed attention to while Bosh is the only man on his team who is a real threat. Calderon has evolved into a threat this year. With O'neal, Bosh will have an easier time becasue of the one on one d. Bosh is the better player.

I also think once Bosh starts playing with Jermaine his numbers will improve... it should work in the same way that Amare's numbers went up to 30ppg when Shaq arrived in the desert.

Mile High Champ
08-27-2008, 11:50 PM
since Phx isn't interested in guarding anyone, more posessions mean more opportunities for pts, rbs, stls, assts, etc. I take my vote back. Amare is so bad on defense, I would rather have Bosh.

Alright, I will add your vote with another PSD user who had intended to vote for Bosh but voted for someone else. One vote will be taken off Pau and Amare when its all said and done. Thanks.

Iodine
08-27-2008, 11:52 PM
Alright, I will add your vote with another PSD user who had intended to vote for Bosh but voted for someone else. One vote will be taken off Pau and Amare when its all said and done. Thanks.
and brand

JordansBulls
08-27-2008, 11:53 PM
BECUZ HE IS A STUPED CHOKER EVEN THOUGH HE HAS A WAY ABOVE 20/10 AVERAGE IN THE PLAYOFFZ. AND HE IS STUPID

Amare is on a team with a 2x MVP and still can't get to the finals.


Here are some of Dirk's big games in the playoffs

Game 3 2001 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20010428/UTADAL/boxscore.html?nav=ArticleList



Game 5 2001 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/semi/west1/recap_dal_sas_010514.html?nav=ArticleList
http://www.nba.com/games/20010514/DALSAS/boxscore.html?nav=ArticleList


Except for Dirk Nowitzki, who scored a career-high 42 points and had 18 rebounds


Game 5 2002 Semfinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20020513/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20020513/DALSAC/boxscore.html


Nowitzki registered 32 points and 12 rebounds and Michael Finley scored 26 points for the Mavericks, who had won three of four this season at ARCO Arena, including Game 2.


Game 1 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030419/PORDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030419/PORDAL/boxscore.html


Nowitzki poured in a playoff career-high 46 points and grabbed 10 rebounds as the Mavericks used a big second half to rally for a 96-86 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers in the opener of their Western Conference first-round series.


Game 3 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030425/DALPOR/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030425/DALPOR/recap.html


Nowitzki scored 16 of his 42 points in the fourth quarter as the Mavericks took a commanding 3-0 lead in their Western Conference first-round series with a 115-103 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers.



Game 7 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/PORDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/PORDAL/boxscore.html


Nowitzki scored 12 of his 31 points in the fourth quarter as the Mavericks finally advanced to the Western Conference semifinals with a 107-95 victory over the persistent Portland Trail Blazers.


Game 7 2003 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20030517/SACDAL/boxscore.html


Nowitzki had another clutch performance with 30 points and 19 rebounds to lift the Mavericks into the Western Conference finals for the first time in 15 years with a 112-99 victory over the Sacramento Kings.


Game 1 2003 WCF
http://www.nba.com/games/20030519/DALSAS/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030519/DALSAS/boxscore.html


Nowitzki contributed 38 points and 15 rebounds

Dirk was injured in Games 4, 5 and 6 and the Mavs lost 4-2.



Game 1 2004 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20040418/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20040418/DALSAC/boxscore.html


Dirk Nowitzki had 32 points and 13 rebounds for Dallas


Game 5 2004 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20040429/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20040429/DALSAC/boxscore.html


Nowitzki had 31 points and 14 rebounds



Game 7 2006 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20060522/DALSAS/recap.html
Nowitzki had 37 points and 15 rebounds for the fourth-seeded Mavericks


Nowitzki had 37 points and 15 rebounds for the fourth-seeded Mavericks



Game 5 2006 WCF
http://www.nba.com/games/20060601/PHXDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20060601/PHXDAL/boxscore.html


Nowitzki scored 22 of his franchise playoff-record 50 points in the final period to power the Dallas Mavericks to a 117-101 victory over the Suns in the pivotal fifth game of the Western Conference finals


He may not have been the best all the time, but he was big a lot of times.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 12:02 AM
Amare is on a team with a 2x MVP and still can't get to the finals.


Here are some of Dirk's big games in the playoffs

Game 3 2001 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20010428/UTADAL/boxscore.html?nav=ArticleList



Game 5 2001 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/semi/west1/recap_dal_sas_010514.html?nav=ArticleList
http://www.nba.com/games/20010514/DALSAS/boxscore.html?nav=ArticleList




Game 5 2002 Semfinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20020513/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20020513/DALSAC/boxscore.html




Game 1 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030419/PORDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030419/PORDAL/boxscore.html




Game 3 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030425/DALPOR/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030425/DALPOR/recap.html





Game 7 2003 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/PORDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030504/PORDAL/boxscore.html




Game 7 2003 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20030517/SACDAL/boxscore.html




Game 1 2003 WCF
http://www.nba.com/games/20030519/DALSAS/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20030519/DALSAS/boxscore.html



Dirk was injured in Games 4, 5 and 6 and the Mavs lost 4-2.



Game 1 2004 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20040418/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20040418/DALSAC/boxscore.html




Game 5 2004 First Round
http://www.nba.com/games/20040429/DALSAC/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20040429/DALSAC/boxscore.html





Game 7 2006 Semifinals
http://www.nba.com/games/20060522/DALSAS/recap.html
Nowitzki had 37 points and 15 rebounds for the fourth-seeded Mavericks





Game 5 2006 WCF
http://www.nba.com/games/20060601/PHXDAL/recap.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20060601/PHXDAL/boxscore.html




He may not have been the best all the time, but he was big a lot of times.

Jb whenever I POST WITH CAPS I AM SARCASTIC!!!!!(&*(%^&^$

Spurred1
08-28-2008, 12:05 AM
Jb whenever I POST WITH CAPS I AM SARCASTIC!!!!!(&*(%^&^$
No sarcasm smiley for you?

Iodine
08-28-2008, 12:07 AM
No sarcasm smiley for you?

Smilies are overated:p

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
08-28-2008, 12:13 AM
Its close with Bosh and Amare, but its Amare for me.

marvILLous
08-28-2008, 12:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgIpUh8_51g&feature=related

Bosh exposing Amare... mostly in the last minute of the video (clutch moments of the game).. was a couple years ago.. but just saying lol

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 12:50 AM
Amare Stoudemire!!!!! He is way better then Bosh!

$KnicksAndKobe$
08-28-2008, 12:52 AM
Amare because he is a beast on steroids and pain killers.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 12:59 AM
Amare because he is a beast on steroids and pain killers.

hahaha that is funny. And how the hell would you know this? Do you have resources? Your just jealous that you guys dont have a player like him.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 01:02 AM
Amare Stoudemire!!!!! He is way better then Bosh!

Your logic of !!!!! and ! is amazing

Shieldsz
08-28-2008, 01:02 AM
Amare<<< BOsh

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 01:05 AM
Your logic of !!!!! and ! is amazing

haha alright whatever. This is a forum on the Internet, and I really dont give a **** about what anyone says. Mock me all you want. I dont give a ****. Amare will prove why he is the best PF in the League!

Iodine
08-28-2008, 01:08 AM
haha alright whatever. This is a forum on the goddamn Internet, and I really dont give a **** about what anyone says. Mock me all you want. I dont give a ****. Amare will prove why he is the best PF in the League!

You still havnt given a reason

You cant get through life by saying
Well I can have my own opinion

and pre teens shouldnt curse

ink
08-28-2008, 01:20 AM
I cheer for both the Raptors and the Suns, but I'd never pick Amare. 1. because he isn't the player he was before the microfracture surgery, and 2. because Bosh is a much much smarter player.

Shieldsz
08-28-2008, 01:23 AM
haha alright whatever. This is a forum on the goddamn Internet, and I really dont give a **** about what anyone says. Mock me all you want. I dont give a ****. Amare will prove why he is the best PF in the League!

Besides the fact that your a huge Amare homer. Bosh will be amazing now that he has ACTUALY talent around him. Amare has Nash, great bench, shaq with him, had marion before.


Bosh is better all around.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 01:51 AM
Besides the fact that your a huge Amare homer. Bosh will be amazing now that he has ACTUALY talent around him. Amare has Nash, great bench, shaq with him, had marion before.


Bosh is better all around.

A big Amare homer? Are you out of your mind? I have been a fan since he got drafted by Phx. So no I am not a homer of his. i have been a fan of his since his high school days. So don't ever call me a god damn homer! Even w/o Nash Amare would still be a dominate force. The guy won ROY coming out of high school. How many NBA players have done that, besides Lebron? No one! Chris Bosh is a softy! Amare will dominate him.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:13 AM
WTH, how does Dirk have no votes?

:pity:

He never gets enough recognition from fans, people dont like jumpshooting bigmen

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:13 AM
A big Amare homer? Are you out of your mind? I have been a fan since he got drafted by Phx. So no I am not a homer of his. i have been a fan of his since his high school days. So don't ever call me a god damn homer! Even w/o Nash Amare would still be a dominate force. The guy won ROY coming out of high school. How many NBA players have done that, besides Lebron? No one! Chris Bosh is a softy! Amare will dominate him.

when where you a fan of his?

and amare has always had one of the highest asisted on stats in the league so your wrong about him super dominating in the league 14 points on 47 percent shooting dominating

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 02:17 AM
when where you a fan of his?

and amare has always had one of the highest asisted on stats in the league so your wrong about him super dominating in the league 14 points on 47 percent shooting dominating

I have been a fan of his since his days of high school at Cypress Creek. What the hell would you like me to tell you about him?

UK Bull
08-28-2008, 02:18 AM
Amare

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 02:18 AM
No player that horrible at defense can be considered top 3 at their position, ever.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:19 AM
I have been a fan of his since his days of high school at Cypress Creek. What the hell would you like me to tell you about him?

Hes referring to the part where you said youve been a fan of his since he was drafted by the Suns, and then saying you were a fan of his since high school. Cant get mad at him for getting confused as both are separate time frames.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:23 AM
No player that horrible at defense can be considered top 3 at their position, ever.

steve nash was 2nd for PG :pity:

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 02:23 AM
Hes referring to the part where you said youve been a fan of his since he was drafted by the Suns, and then saying you were a fan of his since high school. Cant get mad at him for getting confused as both are separate time frames.

Very true. Very good point given. Why do people always have to bash on other peoples players that they favor? So what? It is another man's favorite player, so what! This is America, and I can vote for who ever the hell I want.

ARMIN12NBA
08-28-2008, 02:25 AM
A big Amare homer? Are you out of your mind? I have been a fan since he got drafted by Phx. So no I am not a homer of his. i have been a fan of his since his high school days. So don't ever call me a god damn homer! Even w/o Nash Amare would still be a dominate force. The guy won ROY coming out of high school. How many NBA players have done that, besides Lebron? No one! Chris Bosh is a softy! Amare will dominate him.

That is why Chris Bosh poured in 42 points and 13 rebounds on Amare, right?

Amare getting dominated (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712220PHO.html)

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 02:26 AM
That is why Chris Bosh poured in 42 points and 13 rebounds on Amare, right?

Amare getting dominated (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712220PHO.html)

Is that the only game you can give me? Cuz referencing to one game does not mean ****.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 02:26 AM
steve nash was 2nd for PG :pity:

Ya, and it should have been Chauncy or Deron

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:26 AM
stats aren't everything. If Bosh had Nash handing him cupcakes every night, his numbers would be better. That beind said, I voted for Amare. I am king of regretting it now.

True, good PG's do alot for their bigs. I think its very telling that Bosh played much better alongside Calderon then he ever did with TJ Ford. Same way Amare played better with Nash than anyone else.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 02:27 AM
Is that the only game you can give me? Cuz referencing to one game does not mean ****.

Well when has Amare dominated Bosh?

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:38 AM
Well when has Amare dominated Bosh?

well averaging 26.5/8.5 pwns averaging 42/13(bosh) last season

ARMIN12NBA
08-28-2008, 02:40 AM
Is that the only game you can give me? Cuz referencing to one game does not mean ****.

You said Chris Bosh was soft and Amare will dominate him. I just pointed out that Chris Bosh dominated Amare.

Also, in a game in the 2006-2007 season, Chris Bosh poured in 26 points and 14 rebounds while Amare had 15 points and 8 rebounds.


Amare getting dominated Part. 2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200701030TOR.html)

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 02:43 AM
Dec. 22 @ PHX: Bosh- 42 Points, 13 Rebounds

January 3rd 2007- Bosh- 26 Points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks

They played each other only once each of the last two seasons, but bpsh dominated both games.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 02:48 AM
I am done arguing with this ****. I am out.

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 02:48 AM
Look at the stats with Bosh again. Stat was guarding Bargnani who had 13 pts and 3 rbs. Marion was guarding Bosh. Get your facts straight.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:49 AM
Dec. 22 @ PHX: Bosh- 42 Points, 13 Rebounds

January 3rd 2007- Bosh- 26 Points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks

They played each other only once each of the last two seasons, but bpsh dominated both games.

Interesting, I would look up the numbers Bosh put up against all the fast paced teams in fast paced games, Im willing to bet he would thrive in a similar situation as Amare, then again didnt Toronto try to become the Suns of the east not too long ago? I dont recall that working out very well for Bosh but yea good work on the research Bosh has really owned Amare.

Id still take Amare because last year was basically 2 different Amares. Amare as an undersized center struggled defensively, but Amare as a PF lit up the league and his defense was alot more active because of Shaqs presence in the paint. This will be the year we find out who is ahead of the game but I really believe Amare is as good as he displayed in the last few months of the year.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 02:50 AM
Look at the stats with Bosh again. Stat was guarding Bargnani who had 13 pts and 3 rbs. Marion was guarding Bosh. Get your facts straight.

Thank you Willie. Finally someone that can help back me up!

amare#1
08-28-2008, 02:51 AM
This thread has turned into an Amare vs. Bosh head to head competition. Its about the better overall player during the season, not about how well they match up.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:51 AM
Look at the stats with Bosh again. Stat was guarding Bargnani who had 13 pts and 3 rbs. Marion was guarding Bosh. Get your facts straight.

Who was guarding Amare? But the point remains, head 2 head Bosh dominated. If Amare cant step up and guard him and the team leaves Marion on him despite getting owned it says alot about how Amare's defense is perceived.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 02:52 AM
This thread has turned into an Amare vs. Bosh head to head competition. Its about the better overall player during the season, not about how well they match up.

True but I always like to factor in how players play against eachother, if playing the best doesnt bring out the best in you then I prefer to focus less on what Amare did against inferior teams/players.

Like if 2 players are similar but one does it against the best competition while the other gets it done against weaker teams its not as meaningful but thats just me.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:54 AM
Who was guarding Amare? But the point remains, head 2 head Bosh dominated. If Amare cant step up and guard him and the team leaves Marion on him despite getting owned it says alot about how Amare's defense is perceived.
Chronz you bastard I was going to say that :)

amare#1
08-28-2008, 02:56 AM
Amare as a PF lit up the league and his defense was alot more active because of Shaqs presence in the paint.

Too true. Bosh has always had another big guy in the post to help him out in Nesterovic. For the majority of his career Amare has been the biggest guy Phoenix has had on the court and has had to defend centers who are heaps bigger than him. This was a stupid coaching move by D'Antoni as Amare clearly isn't suited to play at the C, especially straight after coming out of high school. Everyone gives him **** about his D but hes never played under a defensive coach or with a defensive team and it isn't easy to teach yourself coming straight out of high school. D'Antoni was basically completely opposed to D and never helped Amare out with this aspect of his game.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:00 AM
Interesting, I would look up the numbers Bosh put up against all the fast paced teams in fast paced games, Im willing to bet he would thrive in a similar situation as Amare, then again didnt Toronto try to become the Suns of the east not too long ago? I dont recall that working out very well for Bosh but yea good work on the research Bosh has really owned Amare.

Id still take Amare because last year was basically 2 different Amares. Amare as an undersized center struggled defensively, but Amare as a PF lit up the league and his defense was alot more active because of Shaqs presence in the paint. This will be the year we find out who is ahead of the game but I really believe Amare is as good as he displayed in the last few months of the year.


Thanks Mane. And ya the Raptors tried that with Ford at point. , didn't work out too well as you said

amare#1
08-28-2008, 03:01 AM
True but I always like to factor in how players play against eachother, if playing the best doesnt bring out the best in you then I prefer to focus less on what Amare did against inferior teams/players.

Like if 2 players are similar but one does it against the best competition while the other gets it done against weaker teams its not as meaningful but thats just me.

Yeah fair comment. IMO I don't think its that relevant. Like lots of people say Deron is better than CP3 because he always wins the matchup when they play, but it is clearly because he is much more solidly built than CP3 and should be able to dominate him 1-on-1. CP3 is still clearly the better player.
Amare isn't nearly as long as Bosh and this probably has a similar kind of effect when they go head to head. Just like CP3 is better than Deron although he loses to him 1-on-1, I still think Amare is better than Bosh although he seems to lose to him 1-on-1.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:02 AM
Chronz pawnzords

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:03 AM
Too true. Bosh has always had another big guy in the post to help him out in Nesterovic. For the majority of his career Amare has been the biggest guy Phoenix has had on the court and has had to defend centers who are heaps bigger than him. This was a stupid coaching move by D'Antoni as Amare clearly isn't suited to play at the C, especially straight after coming out of high school. Everyone gives him **** about his D but hes never played under a defensive coach or with a defensive team and it isn't easy to teach yourself coming straight out of high school. D'Antoni was basically completely opposed to D and never helped Amare out with this aspect of his game.


:speechless:

:laugh2:

:laugh:

Iodine
08-28-2008, 03:07 AM
Too true. Bosh has always had another big guy in the post to help him out in Nesterovic. For the majority of his career Amare has been the biggest guy Phoenix has had on the court and has had to defend centers who are heaps bigger than him. This was a stupid coaching move by D'Antoni as Amare clearly isn't suited to play at the C, especially straight after coming out of high school. Everyone gives him **** about his D but hes never played under a defensive coach or with a defensive team and it isn't easy to teach yourself coming straight out of high school. D'Antoni was basically completely opposed to D and never helped Amare out with this aspect of his game.
you realize rasho only started in 39 games last year and is a horrible D rebounder right?

amare#1
08-28-2008, 03:15 AM
you realize rasho only started in 39 games last year and is a horrible D rebounder right?

I'm not talking about just last season... I'm talking about overall in his career. Amare had always been the biggest player on the Suns until Shaq came. I'm not even talking about rebounding that much either, just the pure taking up of space inside the key. Rasho is a 7 footer who weighs a good 255. It's easier having that clogging up your key on defense than having nothing like Amare had.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 03:21 AM
I'm not talking about just last season... I'm talking about overall in his career. Amare had always been the biggest player on the Suns until Shaq came. I'm not even talking about rebounding that much either, just the pure taking up of space inside the key. Rasho is a 7 footer who weighs a good 255. It's easier having that clogging up your key on defense than having nothing like Amare had.

Rasho has always had an above 100 D rating(that is bad)
he also had an amazing 1.5 D win shares
He also had a 2nd worst carer 2.9 block %
Also has bad as **** rebound %

Nobody fears rasho going into the paint

amare#1
08-28-2008, 03:27 AM
Rasho has always had an above 100 D rating(that is bad)
he also had an amazing 1.5 D win shares
He also had a 2nd worst carer 2.9 block %
Also has bad as **** rebound %

Nobody fears rasho going into the paint

Whatever man. If your not going to acknowledge that Rasho's size in the key in Toronto is going to make more of an impact than no-one in the key in Phoenix, then there is just no point conversing with you.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:30 AM
What about Kurt Thomas. He is a whole lot better than the trash that we know as Rasho

Iodine
08-28-2008, 03:30 AM
Whatever man. If your not going to acknowledge that Rasho's size in the key in Toronto is going to make more of an impact than no-one in the key in Phoenix, then there is just no point conversing with you.
2 years ago the lakers had kwame who is a legit 7 footer]
Was driving on them feard?

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:32 AM
Micheal Bradley is a legit 7 footer. Did anyone fear driving on him? Does anyone fear driving on Ryan Hollins? DJ Mbenga? Earl Barron?

amare#1
08-28-2008, 03:32 AM
2 years ago the lakers had kwame who is a legit 7 footer]
Was driving on them feard?

No but he is a big guy who made a difference just like any other legit big guy... make Shawn Bradley an exception to that.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:36 AM
No but he is a big guy who made a difference just like any other legit big guy.

Made a difference? MADE A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!

Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHtZIZ3-ORE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh21KLjqo3Q&feature=related

:pity:

J-Relo
08-28-2008, 03:42 AM
Amare all the way...

amare#1
08-28-2008, 03:46 AM
Amare all the way...

Thankyou

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 03:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3S4OogR-wM :p

rico
08-28-2008, 03:55 AM
i voted bosh, it was tough between him and amare, but as previously posted amare had nash/shaq 2 really big helpers, bosh is kinda alone there in toronto when it comes to 'stars'

but looks to me thats a clear next 2 whichever way it goes the other person deserves the next spot. save some threads ;p

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 04:06 AM
No player that horrible at defense can be considered top 3 at their position, ever.

You can't say Amare doesn't play any defense. He averages more blocks per game than Duncan who was probably ranked as #1 as PF. And is only a .5 defensive rebounds less than Duncan. So don't just spurt out **** you no nothing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2JzsJOjRG8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEY3y8_sIBg

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 04:09 AM
You can't say Amare doesn't play any defense. He averages more blocks per game than Duncan who was probably ranked as #1 as PF. And is only a .5 defensive rebounds less than Duncan. So don't just spurt out **** you no nothing about.

Um, what about the fact that his man to man defense is arguably the worst of any PF today....have you ever watched an actual game? Blocking shots isnt good defense...its a gamble that most of the time doesnt work..

Look at the numbers of any allstar level big against the suns a,d You can tell he cannot play defense for ****. Cannot even slow a single one.

amare#1
08-28-2008, 04:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3S4OogR-wM :p

Your actually posting a video of Amare getting dunked on? Wow. Do you really want every suns fan on the site to start posting all of Amare's dunks?... because trust me, there are hundreds!

Iodine
08-28-2008, 04:10 AM
You can't say Amare doesn't play any defense. He averages more blocks per game than Duncan who was probably ranked as #1 as PF. And is only a .5 defensive rebounds less than Duncan. So don't just spurt out **** you no nothing about.

Den can you ban him for comparing amare to TD?

amare#1
08-28-2008, 04:12 AM
Um, what about the fact that his man to man defense is arguably the worst of any PF today....have you ever watched an actual game? Blocking shots isnt good defense...its a gamble that most of the time doesnt work..

Look at the numbers of any allstar level big against the suns a,d You can tell he cannot play defense for ****. Cannot even slow a single one.

You cannot possibly say that blocking shots isn't good defense. Thats such a stupid comment. You might mean that it isn't as good as man to man defense, but to say that blocking a shot isn't good defense... you should really think before you start typing buddy.

J-Relo
08-28-2008, 04:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3S4OogR-wM :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ongVDkMz4t8

amare#1
08-28-2008, 04:21 AM
His D is getting better...

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/111145

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 04:32 AM
Dec. 22 @ PHX: Bosh- 42 Points, 13 Rebounds

January 3rd 2007- Bosh- 26 Points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks

They played each other only once each of the last two seasons, but bpsh dominated both games.

You don't dominate a game and lose it. Such as Toronto did both times to the Suns.

And How does Bosh shot 24 free throws but Amare only had 4 personal fouls. Like i said Amare was playing Center out of position while Diaw and Marion were guarding Bosh during both games. You can't dominate someone who isn't even guarding you. Get your facts straight don't just throw out stats to try and impress us.

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 04:46 AM
Den can you ban him for comparing amare to TD?

Just did

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 04:46 AM
Andrew Bynum on Christmas Day Vs. Suns- 28 Points, 12 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX March 26 2008- 30 Points, 6 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX Feb 22.- 19 Points, 5 Rebound, 4 assists

Okafor @ PHX Feb 04- 18 Points, 13 Rebounds

Zydrunas Ilguaskus vs PHX Jan 25- 21 Points, 10 Rebounds, Nov. 4 @ PHX- 22 Points 13 rebounds

Dirk @ PHX April 6 2008- 32 Points, 12 Rebounds, Feb. 14 @ PHX- 36 Points 12 rebounds, dec. 19 vs PHX- 31 Points 9 rebounds

Rasheed Wallace Vs. PHX- 21 Points, 9 rebounds, @ PHX- 22 Points, 8 Rebounds

Yao Ming Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 13 rebounds

Pau Gasol @ PHX- 29 Points, 3 Rebounds

Andrew Bogut Vs. Phx- 19 Points, 13 rebounds, @ PHX- 29 Points, 11 Rebounds

AL Jeff @ PHX- 24 Points, 12 Rebounds, @ PHX 27 Points, 14 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 32 Points, 20 Rebounds

David West Vs. PHX- 27 Points, 4 rebounds, @ PHX 21 Points, 13 rebounds, VS. PHX- 15 Points, 11 rebounds

Tyson Chandler VS. PHX- 12 Points, 15 rebounds, @ PHX- 19 Points, 11 rebounds, VS. 14 Points, 18 rebounds

Dwight Howard Vs. PHX- 33 Points, 18 Rebounds, @ PHX- 30 Points, 23 Rebounds

Lamarcus Alrdidge @ PHX- 16 Points 9 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 8 rebounds

Chris Bosh @ PHX- 43 Points, 12 rebounds

Tim Duncan vs PHX- 23 Points, 10 rebounds, @ PHX- 17 points, 10 boards, @ PHX- 16 Points, 17 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 36 Points, 17 rebounds

Boozer @ PHX- 23 Points, 3 rebounds, @ PHX- 23 points, 13 rebounds

Jamison @ PHX- 28 Points, 10 rebounds, VS. PHX- 16 points, 11 rebounds

Biedrins @ PHX- 16 Points, 11 rebounds

All stats are from 07-08 reg season

innovator
08-28-2008, 04:46 AM
Voted For The Beast Named Amare!

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 04:47 AM
You don't dominate a game and lose it. Such as Toronto did both times to the Suns.

And How does Bosh shot 24 free throws but Amare only had 4 personal fouls. Like i said Amare was playing Center out of position while Diaw and Marion were guarding Bosh during both games. You can't dominate someone who isn't even guarding you. Get your facts straight don't just throw out stats to try and impress us.

If Amare is so bad at defense that 6'7 SHawn Marion has to guard 6'11 Bosh then he is horrible

Iodine
08-28-2008, 04:47 AM
Alltheway that was gregoden#1esque

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 04:49 AM
You cannot possibly say that blocking shots isn't good defense. Thats such a stupid comment. You might mean that it isn't as good as man to man defense, but to say that blocking a shot isn't good defense... you should really think before you start typing buddy.

Its not, its gambling

Look at the Celtics and the Lakers in the finals. The Lakers tried to block every shot, while the Celtics tried to draw charges. Who had more success?

Exactly

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 04:54 AM
We know why you didn't show Amare's stats as well. because when you avg 25.2 ppg 9.1 rb 2.1 blks what you show isn't that impressive

Enough said!!!!!!

amare#1
08-28-2008, 04:55 AM
Andrew Bynum on Christmas Day Vs. Suns- 28 Points, 12 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX March 26 2008- 30 Points, 6 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX Feb 22.- 19 Points, 5 Rebound, 4 assists

Okafor @ PHX Feb 04- 18 Points, 13 Rebounds

Zydrunas Ilguaskus vs PHX Jan 25- 21 Points, 10 Rebounds, Nov. 4 @ PHX- 22 Points 13 rebounds

Dirk @ PHX April 6 2008- 32 Points, 12 Rebounds, Feb. 14 @ PHX- 36 Points 12 rebounds, dec. 19 vs PHX- 31 Points 9 rebounds

Rasheed Wallace Vs. PHX- 21 Points, 9 rebounds, @ PHX- 22 Points, 8 Rebounds

Yao Ming Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 13 rebounds

Pau Gasol @ PHX- 29 Points, 3 Rebounds

Andrew Bogut Vs. Phx- 19 Points, 13 rebounds, @ PHX- 29 Points, 11 Rebounds

AL Jeff @ PHX- 24 Points, 12 Rebounds, @ PHX 27 Points, 14 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 32 Points, 20 Rebounds

David West Vs. PHX- 27 Points, 4 rebounds, @ PHX 21 Points, 13 rebounds, VS. PHX- 15 Points, 11 rebounds

Tyson Chandler VS. PHX- 12 Points, 15 rebounds, @ PHX- 19 Points, 11 rebounds, VS. 14 Points, 18 rebounds

Dwight Howard Vs. PHX- 33 Points, 18 Rebounds, @ PHX- 30 Points, 23 Rebounds

Lamarcus Alrdidge @ PHX- 16 Points 9 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 8 rebounds

Chris Bosh @ PHX- 43 Points, 12 rebounds

Tim Duncan vs PHX- 23 Points, 10 rebounds, @ PHX- 17 points, 10 boards, @ PHX- 16 Points, 17 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 36 Points, 17 rebounds

Boozer @ PHX- 23 Points, 3 rebounds, @ PHX- 23 points, 13 rebounds

Jamison @ PHX- 28 Points, 10 rebounds, VS. PHX- 16 points, 11 rebounds

Biedrins @ PHX- 16 Points, 11 rebounds

All stats are from 07-08 reg season

Do you want us to pay attention to the stats of C or PF? coz he cannot guard both... he isn't that good of a defender... u should know that.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 04:55 AM
We know why you didn't show Amare's stats as well. because when you avg 25.2 ppg 9.1 rb 2.1 blks what you show isn't that impressive

Enough said!!!!!!
Do you really want his stats against tim duncan?

and nobody is challanging his offense here so why are his points relevent when we are talking about his D?

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 04:56 AM
Its not, its gambling

Look at the Celtics and the Lakers in the finals. The Lakers tried to block every shot, while the Celtics tried to draw charges. Who had more success?

Exactly

A block is not defense and a charge is??? figure you would say something like that

Iodine
08-28-2008, 04:57 AM
A block is not defense and a charge is??? figure you would say something like that

do you know what drawing a charge is dumbass?

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 04:58 AM
Wow Willy T, wow. Ignorance like yours is what has broughbt this NBA forum down

dwight howard averaged 31.5 Points and like 21 rebounds against him

Just throwing that little fun fact out there

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:00 AM
Do you want us to pay attention to the stats of C or PF? coz he cannot guard both... he isn't that good of a defender... u should know that.

And thats why I posted one good big from each team that had one pretty good near all star big(save for the Lakers, cuz they werew a weird situation with Bynum being hurt and Pau being traded)

Chronz
08-28-2008, 05:00 AM
Made a difference? MADE A DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!

Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHtZIZ3-ORE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh21KLjqo3Q&feature=related

:pity:

The Lakers went from a last place defensive unit to a pretty decent one in Kwames first year with the Lakers, he gave them a defensive presence simply by replacing smaller players, he sucks on offense but it was Kwame ability to guard the bigs in the West without help that made the biggest difference from one year to the next. The loss of Caron was offset by the fact that Kobe raised his game to a whole other level and took it upon himself to carry the team. But you gotta give Kwame some credit.

Lakers gave up -3.0 PER differential at the Center spot the year they ranked as the worst defensive team in the league, their first year with Kwame they gave up -.4.and it wasnt because of Kwame offense.

As for Rasho I think its worth noting that for the past 2 years the Raptors have defended much better with him on the floor, his importance to their defense was pretty obvious but he also had abit of a career year offensively. I disagree with Bosh having much help on the interior, if Im not mistaken he played ALOT of Center last year, most of his minutes in fact and when he did it was usually alongside smaller players. Bosh is the better defender no doubt about it, but to me both are pretty mediocre. In the right system I could see Bosh being dominant in a KG esque way which is something Im really interested in seeing with Jermaine around. Both compliment each other perfectly defensively, they both lack bulk but Im sure they can overcome that and be one of the best defensive tandems in the league, I dont think Amare has that kind of potential regardless of who hes paired with, atleast not to the extent that Bosh can.

Tom81
08-28-2008, 05:02 AM
Amare

Iodine
08-28-2008, 05:02 AM
Chronz bosh played 42% at C and 19% at PF so yeah most of his mins are at C
http://www.82games.com/0708/07TOR15C.HTM

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:02 AM
The Lakers went from a last place defensive unit to a pretty decent one in Kwames first year with the Lakers, he gave them a defensive presence simply by replacing smaller players, he sucks on offense but it was Kwame ability to guard the bigs in the West without help that made the biggest difference from one year to the next. The loss of Caron was offset by the fact that Kobe raised his game to a whole other level and took it upon himself to carry the team. But you gotta give Kwame some credit.

Lakers gave up -3.0 PER differential at the Center spot the year they ranked as the worst defensive team in the league, their first year with Kwame they gave up -.4. Which isnt good but still much better than the year before.

As for Rasho I think its worth noting that the Raptors have defended much better with him on the floor, his importance to their defense was pretty obvious but he also had abit of a career year offensively. I disagree with Bosh having much help on the interior, if Im not mistaken he played ALOT of Center last year, most of his minutes in fact. Bosh is the better defender no doubt about it, but to me both are pretty mediocre.

Your right, I do have to give a lil credit. I was behind Kwame before that debacle that made laker fans throw up in their collective mouths while watching. You have to admit that was ugly.

And even his defense dropped off after 05-06....He stopped jumping to contest shots, didn't hustle at all, it got sad....

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 05:03 AM
do you know what drawing a charge is dumbass?

all the way said a block was not defense it was a gamble. and said a charge is defense. I merely said both were a defensive stop. All the way is a douche bag

Iodine
08-28-2008, 05:05 AM
all the way said a block was not defense it was a gamble. and said a charge is defense. I merely said both were a defensive stop. All the way is a douche bag
Trying to draw a charge leads to an easier time altering a shot which usually leads to a miss which is a stop. going for a block is risking it all on a highlight

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:07 AM
Thats because you are a moron.....Trying to block a shot is the same as trying to jump the passing lanes, its a gamble!!! Gambles van lead your defense wide open, which happened oh so many times with the suns last season.

Taking a charge is defense. It immediatley give your team the ball, the object of defense. It also causes the altering of shots, as players have to try and avoid a still body during a shot. Alot of times blocks are sent out of bounds and the offensive team gets the ball again, or it would be hit to an offensive player for an open shot or layup....

Do you even watch basketball? Or did you drink a couple wine coolers and decided to give this a shot?

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 05:12 AM
Wow Willy T, wow. Ignorance like yours is what has broughbt this NBA forum down

dwight howard averaged 31.5 Points and like 21 rebounds against him

Just throwing that little fun fact out there

Not much of a stat when we are trying to decide who is the #3 PF and considering that Howard is a center. Fun fact there alltheway but nice try

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 05:15 AM
Thats because you are a moron.....Trying to block a shot is the same as trying to jump the passing lanes, its a gamble!!! Gambles van lead your defense wide open, which happened oh so many times with the suns last season.

Taking a charge is defense. It immediatley give your team the ball, the object of defense. It also causes the altering of shots, as players have to try and avoid a still body during a shot. Alot of times blocks are sent out of bounds and the offensive team gets the ball again, or it would be hit to an offensive player for an open shot or layup....

Do you even watch basketball? Or did you drink a couple wine coolers and decided to give this a shot?

Jumping the passing lanes and stealing the ball is also defense Moron same as a blocked shot is defense. Some analogy when you can get called for a blocking foul while trying to take a charge . I have to wonder why a steal and a block are put in the defensive stat category wnd a charge isn't.

Put down the koolaid already.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:16 AM
Amare played center until Shaq arrived....

And guess what? The Magic and PHX played on November 10th and November 30th

Dwight on the 10th- 33 Points, 18 rebounds

On the 30th- 30 Points 23 rebounds

This was well before Shaq arrived, when Amare was playing Center

Chronz
08-28-2008, 05:17 AM
Your right, I do have to give a lil credit. I was behind Kwame before that debacle that made laker fans throw up in their collective mouths while watching. You have to admit that was ugly.

And even his defense dropped off after 05-06....He stopped jumping to contest shots, didn't hustle at all, it got sad....

To be honest I havent seen a healthy Kwame since his first year with them but yea he was destroyed in 06-07 the only reason they didnt suck at defending bigs the same way they did in 04-05 was because of their frontcourt depth. Dont get me wrong they still sucked and the team slipped because of it but thats not a healthy Kwame IMO. This past year he looked even worse

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:18 AM
Jumping the passing lanes and stealing the ball is also defense Moron same as a blocked shot is defense. Some analogy when you can get called for a blocking foul while trying to take a charge . I have to wonder why a steal and a block are put in the defensive stat category wnd a charge isn't Put down the koolaid already.

Yes its defense, but its bad defense, its gambling. Your much better off trying to stay in front of your man and getting a hand in his face. But Amare is incapable of that.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 05:18 AM
To be honest I havent seen a healthy Kwame since his first year with them but yea he was destroyed in 06-07 the only reason they didnt suck at defending bigs the same way they did in 04-05 was because of their frontcourt depth. Dont get me wrong they still sucked and the team slipped because of it but thats not a healthy Kwame IMO. This past year he looked even worse

I think Kwame's heart just gave up on playing hard.

I think the pistons think they can rebuild that in him

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:19 AM
To be honest I havent seen a healthy Kwame since his first year with them but yea he was destroyed in 06-07 the only reason they didnt suck at defending bigs the same way they did in 04-05 was because of their frontcourt depth. Dont get me wrong they still sucked and the team slipped because of it but thats not a healthy Kwame IMO. This past year he looked even worse

Ya this year he was just horrible....He has no work ethic or desire to get better....he turned down help from Kareem! We're talking the number 1 regular season scorer here... :pity:

justhaze
08-28-2008, 05:27 AM
Well I voted for Amare but I think Bosh is close and I think the raptors need bosh more than the suns need Amare.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:29 AM
Shouldn't the percentages add up to 100? I mean unless he plays some minutes at 1, 2, or 3. Maybe I'm just crazy.

Well I voted for Amare but I think Bosh is close and I think the raptors need bosh more than the suns need Amare.

No the Percentage is the amount of team minutes That bosh plays a each position. So if there are 100 Minutes at center per game, Bosh would play 42.

Get it?

amare#1
08-28-2008, 05:33 AM
AllTheWay. I agree with u that taking a charge is better defense than making a block. But to say that a block is bad defense is just foolish. Maybe it isn't 'ideal' defense, but in no way is it bad. To criticize it endlessly because it is risky is kind of hypocritical when you are defending charges so much considering that charges are also fairly risky.... not as risky, but still risky. Once again saying that blocking is bad defense is just stupid... u should probably take a look at the number of great blockers who have won defensive player of the year awards... Mourning, Camby, Wallace, Mutumbo, Olajuwoon just to name a few. Sure they may have done other good things defensively but they were all good blockers... BLOCKING IS GOOD DEFENSE!

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 05:34 AM
Amare played center until Shaq arrived....

And guess what? The Magic and PHX played on November 10th and November 30th

Dwight on the 10th- 33 Points, 18 rebounds

On the 30th- 30 Points 23 rebounds

This was well before Shaq arrived, when Amare was playing Center

You are right my point exactly. Amare is a PF not a center. Howard is a center and Amare was playing out of position the last years. Thats why Amare is the #3 PF and not the #3 center.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 05:35 AM
AllTheWay. I agree with u that taking a charge is better defense than making a block. But to say that a block is bad defense is just foolish. Maybe it isn't 'ideal' defense, but in no way is it bad. To criticize it endlessly because it is risky is kind of hypocritical when you are defending charges so much considering that charges are also fairly risky.... not as risky, but still risky. Once again saying that blocking is bad defense is just stupid... u should probably take a look at the number of great blockers who have won defensive player of the year awards... Mourning, Camby, Wallace, Mutumbo, Olajuwoon just to name a few. Sure they may have done other good things defensively but they were all good blockers... BLOCKING IS GOOD DEFENSE!

Camby did not deserve his DPOY he is an average at best man defender. everyone else on that list were some of the greatest of all time (for his size big ben prob was the best)

amare#1
08-28-2008, 05:37 AM
Nice sig Iodine. Glad u don't mind my opinion.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:37 AM
AllTheWay. I agree with u that taking a charge is better defense than making a block. But to say that a block is bad defense is just foolish. Maybe it isn't 'ideal' defense, but in no way is it bad. To criticize it endlessly because it is risky is kind of hypocritical when you are defending charges so much considering that charges are also fairly risky.... not as risky, but still risky. Once again saying that blocking is bad defense is just stupid... u should probably take a look at the number of great blockers who have won defensive player of the year awards... Mourning, Camby, Wallace, Mutumbo, Olajuwoon just to name a few. Sure they may have done other good things defensively but they were all good blockers... BLOCKING IS GOOD DEFENSE!

Blocking alot of shots just gives you the illusion of being a good defender. Camby is a horrible man to man defender, but he got a lot of block because his teammates were so horrible at Satying in front of their man.

But trying to block every shot is bad defense. Very bad. The Celtics showed everyone how to play defense, thats by staying in front of your man, not trying to block shots

And blocking is not good defense. Good defense is staying in front of your man, getting a hand in their face, and limiting to one and dones. Most blocked shots end up in the hands of the offense for anohter possesion

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:39 AM
You are right my point exactly. Amare is a PF not a center. Howard is a center and Amare was playing out of position the last years. Thats why Amare is the #3 PF and not the #3 center.

Howard isn't a true center either....he came into the league as a PF....

Howard is 6'11 265

Amare- 6'10 249

Is it really that big of a difference?

Iodine
08-28-2008, 05:41 AM
You forget that dwight howard is the love child of mike james and shawn johnson

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:42 AM
Andrew Bynum on Christmas Day Vs. Suns- 28 Points, 12 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX March 26 2008- 30 Points, 6 Rebounds

Garnett Vs PHX Feb 22.- 19 Points, 5 Rebound, 4 assists

Okafor @ PHX Feb 04- 18 Points, 13 Rebounds

Zydrunas Ilguaskus vs PHX Jan 25- 21 Points, 10 Rebounds, Nov. 4 @ PHX- 22 Points 13 rebounds

Dirk @ PHX April 6 2008- 32 Points, 12 Rebounds, Feb. 14 @ PHX- 36 Points 12 rebounds, dec. 19 vs PHX- 31 Points 9 rebounds

Rasheed Wallace Vs. PHX- 21 Points, 9 rebounds, @ PHX- 22 Points, 8 Rebounds

Yao Ming Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 13 rebounds

Pau Gasol @ PHX- 29 Points, 3 Rebounds

Andrew Bogut Vs. Phx- 19 Points, 13 rebounds, @ PHX- 29 Points, 11 Rebounds

AL Jeff @ PHX- 24 Points, 12 Rebounds, @ PHX 27 Points, 14 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 32 Points, 20 Rebounds

David West Vs. PHX- 27 Points, 4 rebounds, @ PHX 21 Points, 13 rebounds, VS. PHX- 15 Points, 11 rebounds

Tyson Chandler VS. PHX- 12 Points, 15 rebounds, @ PHX- 19 Points, 11 rebounds, VS. 14 Points, 18 rebounds

Dwight Howard Vs. PHX- 33 Points, 18 Rebounds, @ PHX- 30 Points, 23 Rebounds

Lamarcus Alrdidge @ PHX- 16 Points 9 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 31 Points, 8 rebounds

Chris Bosh @ PHX- 43 Points, 12 rebounds

Tim Duncan vs PHX- 23 Points, 10 rebounds, @ PHX- 17 points, 10 boards, @ PHX- 16 Points, 17 rebounds, Vs. PHX- 36 Points, 17 rebounds

Boozer @ PHX- 23 Points, 3 rebounds, @ PHX- 23 points, 13 rebounds

Jamison @ PHX- 28 Points, 10 rebounds, VS. PHX- 16 points, 11 rebounds

Biedrins @ PHX- 16 Points, 11 rebounds



All stats are from 07-08 reg season

The bolded are all Pfs my man....you lose..

amare#1
08-28-2008, 05:44 AM
Blocking alot of shots just gives you the illusion of being a good defender. Camby is a horrible man to man defender, but he got a lot of block because his teammates were so horrible at Satying in front of their man.

But trying to block every shot is bad defense. Very bad. The Celtics showed everyone how to play defense, thats by staying in front of your man, not trying to block shots

And blocking is not good defense. Good defense is staying in front of your man, getting a hand in their face, and limiting to one and dones. Most blocked shots end up in the hands of the offense for anohter possesion

Completely agree with you that going after every block is bad defense coz it leaves u being unaccountable. Glad to see we agree on something.

Blocking may not be ideal but it is still defense. I understand that most of the time it goes to the hands of the other team, but that is still better than a basket.

I also agree with your idea of the best type of defense. But I still figure that blocking is good[B] defense, not the [B]best, but still good.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 05:47 AM
Shot Blocking is good defense so long as you dont give up rebounding position and dont try to block every shot available. Taking a charge is pretty underrated and its appalling that the NBA doesnt officially track them but they can be risky as well. If you get called for the block when trying to draw the offensive foul then your basically giving the opposing team 2 ft's if its in the act of shooting.

Amare fouls alot so I dont think hes good at recognizing the safe play. Bosh drew twice as many charges than Amare with a much lower foul rate. Amare has the slightly better defensive rebounding% but the Raptors were a top rebounding team whereas the Suns were among the worst before Shaq arrived, the Suns relied more on Amare to rebound without him they didnt really have anyone to pick up the slack. The year the Raptors depended so much on Bosh to rebound he put up a more impressive defensive rebounding% and it was on a better rebounding team so despite Amare having the slightly higher D. rebounding%, I think we can label Bosh the better defensive rebounder. But Bosh has to improve that rate if hes not challenging as many shots.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:48 AM
Completely agree with you that going after every block is bad defense coz it leaves u being unaccountable. Glad to see we agree on something.

Blocking may not be ideal but it is still defense. I understand that most of the time it goes to the hands of the other team, but that is still better than a basket.

I also agree with your idea of the best type of defense. But I still figure that blocking is good[B] defense, not the [B]best, but still good.

Its the same as allowing an offensive rebound after a miss.....Which is the case most of the time.

stawka
08-28-2008, 05:50 AM
Gotta be Amare. Hard to argue it here, especially after the second half of last season.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:51 AM
Its very easy to argue, actually. Just read the thread....

amare#1
08-28-2008, 06:21 AM
Just putting this out there... I know Bosh is a better defender than Amare.

LakerzDQ
08-28-2008, 06:27 AM
Howard isn't a true center either....he came into the league as a PF....

Howard is 6'11 265

Amare- 6'10 249

Is it really that big of a difference?

honestly, 16 pounds is quite a bit of difference, but you're right, Dwight was supposed to be a PF. but he has absolutely no shooting touch, so he was forced into the C spot. not doing bad there though.

I voted Amare. if this was a few years ago, it would've went to Dirk Nowitzki. But Amare is again back into shape, and he's dominating with Shaq clearing space for him.

Chris Bosh is good too, but a step below Amare.

KiNgSuNs1
08-28-2008, 06:35 AM
bosh plays against cupcakes in the east so his stats will go up and amare has been playing against centers most of the time so ya get on stats level!!!!!!!!!

Iodine
08-28-2008, 06:40 AM
bosh plays against cupcakes in the east so his stats will go up and amare has been playing against centers most of the time so ya get on stats level!!!!!!!!!

then why does amare get pwnd by bosh face to face?

S.J.Basketball
08-28-2008, 07:50 AM
I like Boozer. Solid all-around player, but he disappeared toward the end of last year and into the playoffs which was weird. See how he fares this year.

Amare...all O and no D. Big whoop.

and lol @ the NO LOVE for D-West. Holy crap.

Mile High Champ
08-28-2008, 07:56 AM
Amare is pulling away a bit but I have 3 votes extra to be added to bosh's score if it is infact that close. 3 posters by accident voted for another player. These changes will be made after if needed. Thanks

gmac2824
08-28-2008, 07:58 AM
why isn't jamison on here?

S.J.Basketball
08-28-2008, 08:00 AM
Amare is pulling away a bit but I have 3 votes extra to be added to bosh's score if it is infact that close. 3 posters by accident voted for another player. These changes will be made after if needed. Thanks

How do you ACCIDENTLY vote for another player?! Are they all from Florida?!?

LakerzDQ
08-28-2008, 08:03 AM
Completely agree with you that going after every block is bad defense coz it leaves u being unaccountable. Glad to see we agree on something.

Blocking may not be ideal but it is still defense. I understand that most of the time it goes to the hands of the other team, but that is still better than a basket.

I also agree with your idea of the best type of defense. But I still figure that blocking is good[B] defense, not the [B]best, but still good.

good defense=Tim Duncan defense. not hopping around, but being patient and good timing to get some blocks. all the while staying in front of his man.

RapsFan4Life
08-28-2008, 08:20 AM
is it that hard to click on the name u want to vote for .. people are such homers

my vote goes for bosh, however STAT is arguably better

bosh has better lateral quicks and man to man defense as we was on team USA
bosh has control of his game were nash controls amares game
bosh has to create for himself more often the STAT
suns are a faster team thus making everyones numbers look better

if amare gets 3rd bosh better get 4th

NYKnickFanatic
08-28-2008, 08:22 AM
People REALLY neeed to stop judging Bosh's game in the Olympics, and start judging it when he plays in the NBA.

RapsFan4Life
08-28-2008, 08:25 AM
carlos boozer is garbage and definetly not even top 10 !
deron makes him what he is and without Deron, Boozer is barely a roll player

Mile High Champ
08-28-2008, 08:27 AM
why isn't jamison on here?

Not sure how many ways to explain it. READ THE FIRST POST OF THE THREAD FOR YOUR ANSWER!

S.J.Basketball
08-28-2008, 08:38 AM
carlos boozer is garbage and definetly not even top 10 !
deron makes him what he is and without Deron, Boozer is barely a roll player

Wow! His shooting percentage and rebounds are both better than Bosh's. he plays less minutes and averages only 1 point less than Bosh and lets not forget the most important thing. HE PLAYS IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE!!!!!!!! Boozer has improved every year and he's better than Bosh.

Mile High Champ
08-28-2008, 08:57 AM
Wow! His shooting percentage and rebounds are both better than Bosh's. he plays less minutes and averages only 1 point less than Bosh and lets not forget the most important thing. HE PLAYS IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE!!!!!!!! Boozer has improved every year and he's better than Bosh.

Boozer is a power forward with slow feet and poor defense. There is a reason why he played so little in the olynpics. He is a liability on the defensive end and I believe him yes to be talented but more a less a product of what deron williams does for his game. Stats are very misleading. Bosh Can create his own shot, boozer needs the ball set up for him every time on the low block. Bosh has both an inside-outside game, Boozer does not. Boozer is nowhere near as good as bosh...

Iodine
08-28-2008, 08:59 AM
can you explain why jamison isnt on the list but this time uses different fonts and colors for each letter :)

S.J.Basketball
08-28-2008, 09:04 AM
Boozer is a power forward with slow feet and poor defense. There is a reason why he played so little in the olynpics. He is a liability on the defensive end and I believe him yes to be talented but more a less a product of what deron williams does for his game. Stats are very misleading. Bosh Can create his own shot, boozer needs the ball set up for him every time on the low block. Bosh has both an inside-outside game, Boozer does not. Boozer is nowhere near as good as bosh...

Well thought out and convincing argument with no insults. This...is a moment....

Iodine
08-28-2008, 09:05 AM
Well thought out and convincing argument with no insults. This...is a moment....

It's a rare thing in this thread

Mile High Champ
08-28-2008, 09:13 AM
Well thought out and convincing argument with no insults. This...is a moment....

Thanks I try.. haha, He is top 8 for sure but not anywhere in the top 5.. Got talent but not as much as some of the oher guys on this list.

Silent1
08-28-2008, 09:21 AM
How can you vote for amare as the 3rd best PF in the game when he don't play defense! Whoever he guards averages about 30 against him, he's garbage, Dirk is the 3rd best power forward in the game hands down.

SeoulBeatz
08-28-2008, 09:29 AM
How can you vote for amare as the 3rd best PF in the game when he don't play defense! Whoever he guards averages about 30 against him, he's garbage, Dirk is the 3rd best power forward in the game hands down.

okay. take a second and reread that post u just made pal.

do u see anything wrong with what u just said, anything ironic perhaps?

Sixerlover
08-28-2008, 09:32 AM
VERY ironic

RapsFan4Life
08-28-2008, 09:34 AM
Boozer is a power forward with slow feet and poor defense. There is a reason why he played so little in the olynpics. He is a liability on the defensive end and I believe him yes to be talented but more a less a product of what deron williams does for his game. Stats are very misleading. Bosh Can create his own shot, boozer needs the ball set up for him every time on the low block. Bosh has both an inside-outside game, Boozer does not. Boozer is nowhere near as good as bosh...

well put, i think that u describe Boozers game well, pretty much what Deron makes him and i think half his points should be credited to Deron and the rebounding is only because he doesnt come outside of the paint to defend, plus Jerry Sloan plays alot of zone

mikedesi1004
08-28-2008, 09:41 AM
Chris Bosh

SeoulBeatz
08-28-2008, 09:42 AM
well put, i think that u describe Boozers game well, pretty much what Deron makes him and i think half his points should be credited to Deron and the rebounding is only because he doesnt come outside of the paint to defend, plus Jerry Sloan plays alot of zone


First off, lemme say that I think Bosh is better than Boozer. But i dont get this whole Deron feeding Boozer all of his points argument?

Isnt that what point guards do?

Isnt that what Calderon does for Bosh? He gets easy feeds for bosh.

And Boozer can create his own shot from the few games ive seen him play in.

He also has an underrated inside outside game, i think people are taking his most recent performances too seriously and dont recognize that the guy is still a 20-10 player. Not everyone can do that, he must be doing SOMETHING by himself to warrant those types of stats.

He made the olympic team for a reason, and i think a lot of people are hating on him.

pebloemer
08-28-2008, 09:43 AM
How do you ACCIDENTLY vote for another player?! Are they all from Florida?!?

Lol. Well said.

marvILLous
08-28-2008, 09:46 AM
has anyone not looked at this video?! lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgIpUh8_51g

amareee got MERKED ... most of the domination begins at 3:57 :D

droalex
08-28-2008, 09:49 AM
Amare for sure

RapsFan4Life
08-28-2008, 09:52 AM
First off, lemme say that I think Bosh is better than Boozer. But i dont get this whole Deron feeding Boozer all of his points argument?

Isnt that what point guards do?

Isnt that what Calderon does for Bosh? He gets easy feeds for bosh.

And Boozer can create his own shot from the few games ive seen him play in.

He also has an underrated inside outside game, i think people are taking his most recent performances too seriously and dont recognize that the guy is still a 20-10 player. Not everyone can do that, he must be doing SOMETHING by himself to warrant those types of stats.

He made the olympic team for a reason, and i think a lot of people are hating on him.


im not saying he is not nba caliber, im saying he is no were near the level Bosh or Amare are at, and yes pgs are suposta feed there big men, but if you have a better feeder like Deron rather then a guy like TJ FORD who looks for offense alot more then u get better stats for your big man .. and he was on the olympic roster as a filler, he averaged like 2 or 3 min a game ... you said he has an under rated outside game, he can not shoot the ball outside of the paint and even around the freethrow line he isnt consistant, he does not hold the ball well during clutch and playoffs and goes through time were he will miss a handfull of shots in a row... the only thing i like about him is his toughness and non injury prone body, other then that he is a just a roll playing PF> and by that i mean he does not have the ability to take over a game in the 4th and turn a 5 point deficite into a win

i would rather have a hand ful of names on my PF list before this guy

JordansBulls
08-28-2008, 09:59 AM
This is ridiculous. How is Amare the 3rd best PF? The guy has never led a team nor has he even been the best player on his team. He has a 2x MVP and still hasn't gotten to the finals. At least Dirk has been the man and took a team to the finals and was able to do something Amare and company couldn't do and that is beat the Spurs.

NYKnickFanatic
08-28-2008, 10:10 AM
This is ridiculous. How is Amare the 3rd best PF? The guy has never led a team nor has he even been the best player on his team. He has a 2x MVP and still hasn't gotten to the finals. At least Dirk has been the man and took a team to the finals and was able to do something Amare and company couldn't do and that is beat the Spurs.


They would have beat them 2 years ago, if it wasnt for Horry fouling Nash like that, causing key players on the Suns to get suspended! :mad:

Iodine
08-28-2008, 10:14 AM
They would have beat them 2 years ago, if it wasnt for Horry fouling Nash like that, causing key players on the Suns to get suspended! :mad:

They still would have lost that game it happaned so they would have been way down

spurs would have easily won the series then to

ElishaJ1030
08-28-2008, 10:20 AM
w/o a doubt is a Healthy Amare Stoudamire....Bosh is close, but right now, I would choose Amare or Chris if I were starting a expansion team....

king4day
08-28-2008, 10:23 AM
If Brand was healthy than I woulda taken him. But I had to take Amare. He's gonna prove why he should be there this year.

king4day
08-28-2008, 10:25 AM
They still would have lost that game it happaned so they would have been way down

spurs would have easily won the series then to

The game they were suspended, the Suns led almost the entire way and ran out of gas in the end. Imagine what STAT an Diaw woulda done for us.

Of course SA still coulda won the game, I won't argue that, but to say they would have easily won the series is just hating on PHX.

RapsFan4Life
08-28-2008, 10:27 AM
This is ridiculous. How is Amare the 3rd best PF? The guy has never led a team nor has he even been the best player on his team. He has a 2x MVP and still hasn't gotten to the finals. At least Dirk has been the man and took a team to the finals and was able to do something Amare and company couldn't do and that is beat the Spurs.

a big reason to why nash has 2 mvp's is because of Amare and Marion, their team hasn't gotten very far because the west is just too strong, the reason Dirk will not be 3rd or 4th is because he is soft, when you need a bucket at the end of the game dirk takes a 3 or something, which at BEST can be .600 %, were guys like amare and bosh will drive and finish or draw a foul which can be up to .700 % around the basketball and .900 at the charity stripe

Dirk is not as tough and doesnt grab enough boards for his size and playing time .. plus he never accents his team mates Dirk is probably 6th after amare,bosh,brand,

Iodine
08-28-2008, 10:28 AM
The game they were suspended, the Suns led almost the entire way and ran out of gas in the end. Imagine what STAT an Diaw woulda done for us.

Of course SA still coulda won the game, I won't argue that, but to say they would have easily won the series is just hating on PHX.
it put the spurs up 3-2 in the series
they had 2 changes to win the series the suns could only tie on the opponents gym

Gmen824
08-28-2008, 10:51 AM
Amare has 0 defense. bosh.

blacknell
08-28-2008, 11:23 AM
i think garnett is better than duncan especially now

Iodine
08-28-2008, 11:24 AM
i think garnett is better than duncan especially now

because he won a chamiponship as the 2nd option?

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 11:33 AM
Amare does not do anything that doesn't pad his stats. Help-side defense? Pick and roll? Diving for loose balls? Not gonna happen.

Bosh is good, but not great.

Dirk.

chadillachembre
08-28-2008, 12:52 PM
Amare does not do anything that doesn't pad his stats. Help-side defense? Pick and roll? Diving for loose balls? Not gonna happen.

Bosh is good, but not great.

Dirk.

Amare is one of the best weak side defenders in the NBA! thats were he gets most of his blocks. the reason he is a poor on the ball defender is because she cheats to the weak side which is his strength and when the ball comes strong side hes not in good position. Amare and Nash are the best pick and roll tandem in the nba since karl malone and john stockton. Amare doesnt dive for loose balls? 1st of all its the nba and most of the players dont dive as often as they should but amare doesnt deserve a label saying he wont get on the floor. i agree bosh i good but not great but dirk can not lead a team. all they ever do is choke. you can say amare doesnt lead but the only times we didnt get to or win the title was 100% injuries and shady biz. last year we lost in the 1st round because our coach had one foot out of the door. if there was an nba redraft a team built around amare would win faster than a team built around dirk. who has dirk ever made better? jump shooting soft big men that live on the perimiter dont make individual players better

bogdanrom
08-28-2008, 01:05 PM
I thougt this was going to be a lot closer but damn Amare is running away with it.

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 01:18 PM
I still think it should have been
1) Kg
2) Amare
3) Duncan
4) Bosh
But w/e... People fail to realize that this is talking about the better player today... NOt for those 3 season where duncan won his championships.... So its crazy.... The Numbers tell you everything..... Shame to all those that think duncan is better than Kg... i cant understand amare.. but def not KG
Look at their numbers... They're were people that said duncan had a better year last year than KG..? Stop smoking... I know they are at the same age but DUncan has showed clean signs of slowing down... Kg? NO! AMare? NOTHING BUT sky rocketing.... I won't be surprised if Bosh is better than duncan wihtin the next year or so...

Duncan :
19.3 ppg. 2.28 TO 2.0 blks 2.8 ast pg 11.3 reb pg.. .730FT%...0.497 FG%

Garnett:
18.8 ppg...1.94 TO pg.... 1.2 blcks... 3.4 ast pg.. 9.2 reb pg...0.801 FT%...0.539% FG

Amare:
25.3 ppg.... 2.2 To pg...2.1 blcks pg... 1.5 ast pg... 9.1 reb pg... 805 FT%...59% FG %

Bosh :
22 ppg....2.3 To pg ..1 block pg... 2.6 ast pg.... 8.7 reb pg... .833 FT%... .494 FG%

WTH? AMare is the clear choice for 3rd.. he should have been second.. look at his numbers.. he puts up better numbers than all 4 of them.. and dont tell me that crap that numbers dont matter.. cause the obviously do.... bosh is a nice young player.. and i think in the future.. AMare and him will be #1 and #2 respectively..... I give KG the benefit of the doubt cause Hes a great leader... the best alla round palyer... when you need a nice blend of scoring, man on man defense... passing.. rebounding... efficency...

AMARE shot 59% from the field.. thats so sick

From the numbers duncan has nothing on any of these players besides his rebounding.. and those 3 rings he won a trillion years ago...Hes the greatest PF to ever play the game.. bu there is no you can say TIm duncan is a better basketball player now compared to KG, and AMARe...
Bosh will be #2 soon enough..

Iodine
08-28-2008, 01:22 PM
the normal ppg/rpg etc mean almost ****ign nothing when you compare the top players

Duncan is the best for a reason

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Amare is one of the best weak side defenders in the NBA! thats were he gets most of his blocks. the reason he is a poor on the ball defender is because she cheats to the weak side which is his strength and when the ball comes strong side hes not in good position. Amare and Nash are the best pick and roll tandem in the nba since karl malone and john stockton. Amare doesnt dive for loose balls? 1st of all its the nba and most of the players dont dive as often as they should but amare doesnt deserve a label saying he wont get on the floor. i agree bosh i good but not great but dirk can not lead a team. all they ever do is choke. you can say amare doesnt lead but the only times we didnt get to or win the title was 100% injuries and shady biz. last year we lost in the 1st round because our coach had one foot out of the door. if there was an nba redraft a team built around amare would win faster than a team built around dirk. who has dirk ever made better? jump shooting soft big men that live on the perimiter dont make individual players better

Duncan dives for loose balls. KG dives for loose balls. So does Dirk. We're not in a conversation about most of the NBA, it's a conversation about the BEST in the NBA. Amare is a selfish player who looks to pad his stats and that's what keeps him from being great.

There is a very good article about Stoudamire's shortcomings. You can read it here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43347-could-amare-stoudemire-become-a-top-5-power-forward).

BowDown32
08-28-2008, 01:30 PM
Amare should be #3 on the list despite a lot of beef from some people. Tim Duncan still puts up numbers man. From that last post how does Amare blow him away? Cuz most of his buckets are dunks which gives him a higher FG% and gets six PPG more a game. When's the last time you seen Amare face a guy up and go window from 15 feet? That is just durty.
Yes stats do matter, but it's an all-around game. Leadership, defense, mentality on the floor, making your team better... I think Duncan and Garnett do a better job of that then STAT does. Personally I would put KG slightly above Duncan because he can change a game a bit more. Yes he had Pierce to help with that, but when San Antonio plays it is usually Ginobili or Parker creating, same as Nash in Pheonix.
So in the end Amare is a great player and you're right in 2 years it will probably be Amare 1 and Bosh 2. But right now, it's still KG and Duncan 1,2 with Amare 3 and Bosh 4. Baleee Dat.

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 01:44 PM
Kevin Garnett when from averaging 22.4/12.8 in Minnesota to averaging 18.8/9.2 in Boston. Was he a better player with the Wolves? Heck no. His stats were down but he was winning. That's something Amare may never understand, and that's what may keep him from ever being a top player.

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 01:56 PM
Amare has 0 defense. bosh.

Anyone who has to do a commercial just to get voted into an allstar game isn't even in my top 5 Power Forwards.

Aapox
08-28-2008, 02:02 PM
The Numbers tell you everything.....

There goes all your credibility.

Come on guys, we're talking about OVERALL players here. On the Bulls forum, BG was voted the 4th best player? Why? Because he can't play defense. Amare is the same way.

Plus, look at all the help he's had in Phoenix. Then, look at Bosh in Toronto?

COME ON PEOPLE, IT'S BOSH!!

BowDown32
08-28-2008, 02:02 PM
Anyone who has to do a commercial just to get voted into an allstar game isn't even in my top 5 Power Forwards.

You can honestly say he wouldn't have been voted in even if he didn't make that video?? Come on.
That was done purely for comedy. Bosh has started the last 2 All-Star games for the East, yah Garnett was injured, but the replacement is named by the coach. I bet if you asked any NBA coach he would be in there top 5. So who is in your's yah hater!!

BowDown32
08-28-2008, 02:04 PM
Amare still is better, but you gotta give Bosh some love man. Amare was 1st Team All-NBA 2 years ago so yah he better be in the top 3. Bosh ain't there yet but he has a nice looking game and you can't hate on that.

DreamShaker
08-28-2008, 02:05 PM
Amare

Still has some room to improve but he can rebound and score with the best of them. Not to mention he is athletic as hell.

Bosh is close though, great post game and mid range jumper, although he's kind of soft.

Has he ever averaged double figure rebounds in a season??

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 02:10 PM
Has he ever averaged double figure rebounds in a season??

No he hasn't. Not ever.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43347-could-amare-stoudemire-become-a-top-5-power-forward

Aapox
08-28-2008, 02:12 PM
9+ is close enough, however, seeing as he was the biggest person on his team most of the time for that..... ^^

yaowowrocket11
08-28-2008, 02:14 PM
Dirk

Awesome scorer, and has the ability to lead a team. Bosh and Amare don't have that.

JordansBulls
08-28-2008, 02:17 PM
a big reason to why nash has 2 mvp's is because of Amare and Marion, their team hasn't gotten very far because the west is just too strong, the reason Dirk will not be 3rd or 4th is because he is soft, when you need a bucket at the end of the game dirk takes a 3 or something, which at BEST can be .600 %, were guys like amare and bosh will drive and finish or draw a foul which can be up to .700 % around the basketball and .900 at the charity stripe

Dirk is not as tough and doesnt grab enough boards for his size and playing time .. plus he never accents his team mates Dirk is probably 6th after amare,bosh,brand,

Dude WTH. That post is absolutely ridiculous. Brand has been out of the 1st round once in 10 years and is one of the most overrated players around.
Bosh has yet to make the 2nd round and has even had HC Advantage before and lost to the Nets, and Amare has never led a team anywhere.

IversonIsKrazy
08-28-2008, 02:19 PM
Cb4

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 02:19 PM
^ True that, JB, True that.

People see offense and get all riled up. Don't even take into account rebounding, or defense, or winning

pebloemer
08-28-2008, 02:21 PM
Anyone who has to do a commercial just to get voted into an allstar game isn't even in my top 5 Power Forwards.

The commericial was for the fans who only vote for the starting line up which Bosh wouldn't make anyways. It was a joke and definately not the only time he has made videos for different reasons. It is a hobby, something he does for fun, and a way to interact with the fans. I don't think any of that reflects at all on his ability to play basketball.

I would love to hear how that video has anything to do with Bosh's ability to play basketball. Because the only conclusion I can make from what you said is that Bosh isn't a top 5 Power Forward in the game because he does commercials to try and get himself into the starting line-up in an allstar game. Behind Dwight and Garnett I think he knew he had no shot anyways...

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:22 PM
^ True that, JB, True that.

People see offense and get all riled up. Don't even take into account rebounding, or defense, or winning
Word
Although it lets me find all of my epic stats

MiamiHeat
08-28-2008, 02:24 PM
I gotta go with Amare

Skins4Life
08-28-2008, 02:24 PM
why isnt jamison on the list

SeoulBeatz
08-28-2008, 02:25 PM
Dude WTH. That post is absolutely ridiculous. Brand has been out of the 1st round once in 10 years and is one of the most overrated players around.
Bosh has yet to make the 2nd round and has even had HC Advantage before and lost to the Nets, and Amare has never led a team anywhere.

thats news to me.

i thought brand has always been underrated.

Career Averages of

20.4 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 2.4 apg, 2.1 bpg, .475 fg, .781 ft


and he led a ****** *** clippers team to the second round taking phoenix to 7 games and was 6th in MVP voting in 06.

Dude never gets any recognition cause he played for the clippers.

its a damn shame.

its obvious he still has a lot of haters.

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 02:26 PM
Amare should be #3 on the list despite a lot of beef from some people. Tim Duncan still puts up numbers man. From that last post how does Amare blow him away? Cuz most of his buckets are dunks which gives him a higher FG% and gets six PPG more a game. When's the last time you seen Amare face a guy up and go window from 15 feet? That is just durty.
Yes stats do matter, but it's an all-around game. Leadership, defense, mentality on the floor, making your team better... I think Duncan and Garnett do a better job of that then STAT does. Personally I would put KG slightly above Duncan because he can change a game a bit more. Yes he had Pierce to help with that, but when San Antonio plays it is usually Ginobili or Parker creating, same as Nash in Pheonix.
So in the end Amare is a great player and you're right in 2 years it will probably be Amare 1 and Bosh 2. But right now, it's still KG and Duncan 1,2 with Amare 3 and Bosh 4. Baleee Dat.

I do really think Kg should be number 1... but i can understand how some people put Tim duncan over Amare... That is a very close one... But i really do believe KG is number one from everything you are talking about.. Leadership, skill, passion, determination, and reliability... Timmy is probably the best PF to ever step foot on the court.. BUt from what I see.. the poll refers to now... as in this upcomign season...I jus thtink KG and amare are better at this point.

I believe Amare will be better next season...You talk about how Duncan can hit a banker from 15 feet? .. But amare's shot was one of the best for any big men ( mid-range).. He many not use the bank.. but his shot has improved...
Also yea duncan can bank one of from 15 feet away... But can Tim get to the basket by exploding past everyone on the floor.. and dunk it on two people like amare can? I doubt it... Thats just as impressive to me as a bank shot. Amare averaged 25 plus twice in his career already... Timmy hasn't done it yet and doubt he will ever do it...

But I can see your arguments... Timmy has the best reboudning skills, fundamentals, great team play.. great on ball defense and everything.... but i just don;t think he is the same Tim Duncan any more..I think we all know that.... and i believe Amare is going no where but up...

I would say that if Amare didn't have the microscopic knee surgery.. He would be number 1 right now.. But thats not the case.. its arguable....The season when the spurs and suns went head to head in the playoffs.. it was duncan and Amare.. one on one.. And what a series that was...
Amare averaged 30 ppg...and 11 reb pg....shooting 54% from the field
Even Timmy couldn't stop him.. as great as a defender he was back then...
timmy had decent numbers but nothing on AMare at that point
23 ppg.. 12 reb... 46% from the field...BUt i have to give duncan the credit cause his team ended up winning the series...

To me Amare is the better scorer, better finisher, weak side defender, and is much harder to stop compared to duncan.. just to explosive...

Timmy is a better rebounder, man on man defender, and very fundamentally sound... No to mention a better leader.

But at this point at their career... DUncan is past his prime I believe.. Amare is doing nothing but getting better hes 25? i think.. This up coming season im going with Amare.. Thats just me...

KG #1 hands down.. Just the way he can still dominate the game from just about exery aspect... I acutally believe he is a better leader than Timmy is.. His passion, fire desire.. is off the charts.. Amazing defender.. defensive palyer of the year... A great play maker... Just as good a scorer as timmy as well.... I think if he got to play with popavich, and learned david robinson in that spur system., he would have just as many rings as Timmy.

Iodine
08-28-2008, 02:28 PM
If KG can dominate the game in every aspect why has his biggest fault been taking over games?

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 02:31 PM
a big reason to why nash has 2 mvp's is because of Amare and Marion, their team hasn't gotten very far because the west is just too strong, the reason Dirk will not be 3rd or 4th is because he is soft, when you need a bucket at the end of the game dirk takes a 3 or something, which at BEST can be .600 %, were guys like amare and bosh will drive and finish or draw a foul which can be up to .700 % around the basketball and .900 at the charity stripe

Dirk is not as tough and doesnt grab enough boards for his size and playing time .. plus he never accents his team mates Dirk is probably 6th after amare,bosh,brand,

Dirk averages 8.7 rpg. Bosh averages 9. Amare averages 9.1 Brand averages 10 I don't think that gives any sort of real advantage to anyone but Brand.

I'll take Dirk for 3 at .600 = 1.8 average points scored vs. Amare for 2 at .700 = 1.4 average points scored. Think about it. Stoudamire's .633 from the free throw line, I seriously doubt you can rank him at .900 in crunch time.

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 02:34 PM
If KG can dominate the game in every aspect why has his biggest fault been taking over games?

I don't know but i've seen him dominate late in the game... I've seen up put together 10 straight points in the playoffs.. Not only can he dominate with his offense.. but his defensive ablilty... Look at what he did to kobe... Pierce did a great job.. but knowing Kg is down there must have had some what of an impact... He is just a presence... I have watched games where he has had liek 12 points... but his presence on the defensive end was off the charts.

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 02:37 PM
because he won a chamiponship as the 2nd option?

He was def not the second option on that team.. Trust me..He may have been 2nd in scoring but he was def not the 2nd option.. He was the number 1 guy there... He was the man.. THe captain on that ship...

If thats the case... then shaq was the second option to kobe in their runs to the finals? I doubt it..

Pierce knows having Kg down there made eveyrthing ten times esier for him..

He was the best player on that team.

Willy T Justice
08-28-2008, 02:42 PM
You can honestly say he wouldn't have been voted in even if he didn't make that video?? Come on.
That was done purely for comedy. Bosh has started the last 2 All-Star games for the East, yah Garnett was injured, but the replacement is named by the coach. I bet if you asked any NBA coach he would be in there top 5. So who is in your's yah hater!!

Dude i know it was done for comedy reasons it made me laugh. Thats the reason i brought it up. come on lighten up and laugh a little it made you respond to an absurd post. :D

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 02:43 PM
Amare does not do anything that doesn't pad his stats. Help-side defense? Pick and roll? Diving for loose balls? Not gonna happen.


What are you talking about dude? All of those things u listed are great parts of being a good basketball player... Hes the best pick and roll PF since malone... Thats how he puts the ball in the basket.. how is he padding his stats? I'm sorry but i do believe the ogjective of the game is to put the ball in the basket.. no matter how u do it.. as long as you do it..... Help- side defense..? You want your players to play good help side defense... Hes not padding his stats.. Hes doing wat hes best at... And all those things are big parts of basketball

J-N-M-ETS4LYF
08-28-2008, 02:51 PM
There goes all your credibility.

Come on guys, we're talking about OVERALL players here. On the Bulls forum, BG was voted the 4th best player? Why? Because he can't play defense. Amare is the same way.

Plus, look at all the help he's had in Phoenix. Then, look at Bosh in Toronto?

COME ON PEOPLE, IT'S BOSH!!

Amare averaged 2.1 blocks a game.. so i doubt he is that bad of a defender.. and its athleticism does help him a lot... I'm sure he is average defender at worst... Weak side defense is amongst the best in the game... He fast enough to keep up with most of them... strong enough to keep up with most of them.. athletic to jump with any of them.. he just needs to work on some of the defensive fundaments...

But u talk about all around? Why don't you look at scoring? Scoring is a big part of the game.. the biggest if you ask me.. Amare is a better scorer than Bosh hands down... He is ten times faster and explosive.. I'm sure he is the hardest pF to stop in the game... Bosh is good... What has bosh done? His team has never even been out of the first round of the playoffs... Bosh isn't the greatest defender... I think bosh is going to be a superstar.. hes a great player.. but He snot better than amare.. sorry... in the future is will be amare#1... Bosh # 2...... and right now its not even a contest.. as the poll can tell you.

chadillachembre
08-28-2008, 02:52 PM
Duncan dives for loose balls. KG dives for loose balls. So does Dirk. We're not in a conversation about most of the NBA, it's a conversation about the BEST in the NBA. Amare is a selfish player who looks to pad his stats and that's what keeps him from being great.

There is a very good article about Stoudamire's shortcomings. You can read it here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/43347-could-amare-stoudemire-become-a-top-5-power-forward).

that article is terrible. its points are weak. we all can critique any player and find faults. there arent any perfect players out there. sure he comits dumb fouls but nearly every big man does that. playing in the paint where all the contact is big men are generally the leaders in fouls committed. i agree he needs to get over 10 boards a game. id like to see him some where around 11. with a new system and coach in place i expect him to do that this season. the other players it mentioned getting over 10 boards a game are on the floor to just get rebounds and nothing else. amare has other responsibilities in leading a team unlike the other kats mentioned. if amare went on the floor to concentrate on rebounding and nothing else he would tear down 15 a game just like many of these other elite big men in the poll would.

RAPS424
08-28-2008, 02:57 PM
Who was guarding Amare? But the point remains, head 2 head Bosh dominated. If Amare cant step up and guard him and the team leaves Marion on him despite getting owned it says alot about how Amare's defense is perceived.

BOSH WAS GUARDING AMARE..AND HAD TO DOUBLE OFF A LOT.. TO PROTECT THE SLASHERS AMARE OPEN DUNKS AND LAY UPS..LOVE THIS DEBATE.. HILARIOUS.. LOVE THE BOSH DOMINATES AMARE PART 2 POST.. AND THE OTHER GUY HAS NO COME BACKS ..EXCEPT.. AMARE IS BETTER!!! LOL... AMARE IS AMAZING.. LOL.. THOSE ARE HIS COME BACKS.. LOL.. HE IS ON A BETTER TEAM. HE'S NOT A BETTER PLAYER.. I VOTE BOSH.. BUT OF COURSE..IM A RAPTOR FAN

Nighthawk
08-28-2008, 03:04 PM
Amare
then Dirk
then Bosh
then Brand

money son!

Fixed

Lakersfan2483
08-28-2008, 03:16 PM
Amare

IndyRealist
08-28-2008, 03:40 PM
that article is terrible. its points are weak. we all can critique any player and find faults. there arent any perfect players out there. sure he comits dumb fouls but nearly every big man does that. playing in the paint where all the contact is big men are generally the leaders in fouls committed. i agree he needs to get over 10 boards a game. id like to see him some where around 11. with a new system and coach in place i expect him to do that this season. the other players it mentioned getting over 10 boards a game are on the floor to just get rebounds and nothing else. amare has other responsibilities in leading a team unlike the other kats mentioned. if amare went on the floor to concentrate on rebounding and nothing else he would tear down 15 a game just like many of these other elite big men in the poll would.

The only person that describes is troy murphy, who is a 3pt shooting PF. Other than him, Brand, Al Jefferson, Chris Bosh, and Lamar Odom are not rebounding specialists, they are solid double-double performers. Don't they also have other responsibilities to their teams?

While the article was rather vehement towards Amare, every point he made was valid. Amare draws too many fouls against top tier PF's. Amare does not rebound well for his size. Amare averages 1.5 blocks for his career. All of these indicate that Amare is not as capable on defense as he is on offense. Which has -always- been the knock on him.

We're talking about the best of the best here. If you're going to rank him above players like Nowitzki, Bosh, and Brand, your reasoning should be better than, "That article is terrible," and "we all can critique any player and find faults. there arent any perfect players out there." We're comparing players, it's only reasonable to look at both their strengths and their weaknesses. His faults are what should keep him from the top 3.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 04:41 PM
You still havnt given a reason

You cant get through life by saying
Well I can have my own opinion

and pre teens shouldnt curse

Dude I am not a preteen! I am 21 dude! Don't judge someone you don't know! I am 21 years old and i have a daughter. So don't ****ing judge me.

bogdanrom
08-28-2008, 04:54 PM
End this Amare has more votes than the 3 following him put together.

knicks1214
08-28-2008, 05:04 PM
Right now he has 6 less votes than the rest of them combined lol. 91-85...it's safe to say Amare won.

AllTheWay
08-28-2008, 05:10 PM
I think its also safe to say the majority of posters in the NBA forum are morons...

ink
08-28-2008, 05:14 PM
^ :pity:

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To be honest, I think people are seriously under-valuing Dirk. I know he hasn't been as great as he was during his MVP year, but I think he deserves to be closer to Bosh and Amare ... if not ahead.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 05:15 PM
Looks like Amare's offensive dominance will overtake this poll, lets move on to number 4.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 05:18 PM
They would have beat them 2 years ago, if it wasnt for Horry fouling Nash like that, causing key players on the Suns to get suspended! :mad:

True that! if it werent for that one foul we would have advanced to the WCF! Possibly even the finals!

Chronz
08-28-2008, 05:22 PM
^ :pity:

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To be honest, I think people are seriously under-valuing Dirk. I know he hasn't been as great as he was during his MVP year, but I think he deserves to be closer to Bosh and Amare ... if not ahead.

Personally I voted for Dirk because hes still in his prime and hes better than Bosh in basically every facet of the game.

ARMIN12NBA
08-28-2008, 05:25 PM
True that! if it werent for that one foul we would have advanced to the WCF! Possibly even the finals!

Its their fault that they couldn't compose themselves. Horry didn't have a master plan to get Amare and Diaw suspended. They didn't compose themselves and ran off the bench. It was their fault.

theimortalone
08-28-2008, 05:56 PM
Its their fault that they couldn't compose themselves. Horry didn't have a master plan to get Amare and Diaw suspended. They didn't compose themselves and ran off the bench. It was their fault.

I was not saying anything bad. I was just saying with Amare and Diaw Phoenix would have had a better chance.

Beno7500
08-28-2008, 06:11 PM
Amare Stoudemire

IversonIsKrazy
08-28-2008, 07:47 PM
do all tha suns fans that keep talkin' abt tha horry situation, move on. all u guys do is whining abt that time, amare & diaw shouldnt have been stupid enough to get off tha bench and on to the court. SPURS ARE BETTER THAN SUNS - simple as that. u guys r overrated, and arent gunna get out of tha 1st round for a long time.

_Sn1P3r_
08-28-2008, 07:54 PM
CPU lagged so voted for Dirk by accident. :pity: Tough choice between CB and Amare but I would choose Bosh.

mitch91
08-28-2008, 08:08 PM
i actually agree with the people that say dirk is being overlooked and i really think he is. i still voted for amare but i took dirk into consideration and perhaps would pick him ahead of bosh. dirk is a great player

SensandRaps
08-28-2008, 08:30 PM
bosh all the way

MiamiHeat
08-28-2008, 08:37 PM
AMARE is owning hoes in this one

NEXT! #4

BRADfromOZ
08-28-2008, 10:30 PM
Bosh for me. But looks like Amare in a landslide.

Nighthawk
08-28-2008, 10:42 PM
You know what puzzling... NOT AMARE WINNING.. he deserves the 3 spot. But Chris Bosh is winning 54-24. against DIRK....I kno Bosh is great and did well in the Olympics but why must everyone becomes prisoners of the NOW. Dirk is a former MVP. it will be a sad sight if he isnt the 4th best point guard. We'll have to see if the people on these boards know basketball

FOBolous
08-28-2008, 11:38 PM
Personally I voted for Dirk because hes still in his prime and hes better than Bosh in basically every facet of the game.

Dirk will definitely get my vote for #4. After that, i'll probably vote Brand at #5. I think people forgot about Brand because he was injured for a season....kinda like how people forgot about how good Chris Paul was after he was injured for a full season...and also like Paul, i think people will remember how good Brand is after he comes back form his injuries. Brand averages 20/10/2...that's some amazing stats and deserves some respect. As for Bosh...i personally think people are over-estimating Bosh just because Bosh played in the Olympics. Bosh is a good player...yeea...but he needs to improve his defense a little and be more consistent with his rebounding for him to be as good as everyone makes him out to be.

Chronz
08-28-2008, 11:42 PM
You know what puzzling... NOT AMARE WINNING.. he deserves the 3 spot. But Chris Bosh is winning 54-24. against DIRK....I kno Bosh is great and did well in the Olympics but why must everyone becomes prisoners of the NOW. Dirk is a former MVP. it will be a sad sight if he isnt the 4th best point guard. We'll have to see if the people on these boards know basketball

Dude who is that girl, Ive seen about 10 of your posts today and each time I find myself enlarging that sig.

Mile High Champ
08-29-2008, 12:02 AM
POLL NUMBER 4 IS UP.. GO VOTE!

dannyking18
08-29-2008, 12:14 AM
who ever wrote this thread is pretty ridiculous.i mean he didn't even add tim duncan or the big ticket KG?...

1.A.stodaumire
2.K.garnett
3.t.duncan
4.D.nowitzki
5.c.bosh
6.p.gasol
7.c.boozer
8.e.brand
9.d.west
10.a.jefferson

AllTheWay
09-01-2008, 10:39 PM
^ :pity:

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To be honest, I think people are seriously under-valuing Dirk. I know he hasn't been as great as he was during his MVP year, but I think he deserves to be closer to Bosh and Amare ... if not ahead.

Am I wrong?

theimortalone
09-01-2008, 11:40 PM
who ever wrote this thread is pretty ridiculous.i mean he didn't even add tim duncan or the big ticket KG?...

1.A.stodaumire
2.K.garnett
3.t.duncan
4.D.nowitzki
5.c.bosh
6.p.gasol
7.c.boozer
8.e.brand
9.d.west
10.a.jefferson


And the reason why is because KG and Timmy Duncan were already named the #1 and #2.

Gibby23
01-20-2009, 12:39 PM
Looking at this noe I think Bosh, Dirk, and Gasol are ahead of Amare.

My top 5 year to date looks like this:

TD
Dirk
Bosh
Pau
KG

chicagowhitesox
01-20-2009, 01:30 PM
i say bosh

still1ballin
01-20-2009, 02:32 PM
Why the hell did you bump this? When I saw this I was like man this again? This is way old!

ll_eric_ll
01-20-2009, 02:56 PM
WTF PEOPLE!!!!!!! Please compare numbers. yeah i know most of you like "back to the basket" players. but i will rather have the ball in Dirk's hands in crunch time. he is very, very consistent and very much a team player. he doesnt wanna be "That guy" like Staudamiere, Dirk is the guy. Bosh is cool and all, but he aint no Dirk!