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JordansBulls
08-24-2008, 11:22 PM
Which of these teams had the best chance to win a title, but hasn't?

Sacramento Kings 2000-2004



2003-04 NBA Sacramento Kings* 55 27 .671 2 5.41 110.3 104.9 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Adelman (55-27)
2002-03 NBA Sacramento Kings* 59 23 .720 1 6.69 105.9 99.1 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Adelman (59-23)
2001-02 NBA Sacramento Kings* 61 21 .744 1 7.61 109.0 101.1 Lost Western Conference Finals Adelman (61-21)
2000-01 NBA Sacramento Kings* 55 27 .671 2 6.07 105.6 99.6 Lost Western Conference Semifinals



Dallas Mavericks 2001-2003, 2004-2007


2006-07 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 67 15 .817 1 7.28 111.3 103.2 Lost Western Conference First Round Johnson (67-15)
2005-06 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 60 22 .732 2 5.96 111.8 105.0 Lost Finals Johnson (60-22)
2004-05 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 58 24 .707 2 5.85 110.3 104.1 Lost Western Conference Semifinals Nelson (42-22) and Johnson (16-2)
2002-03 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 60 22 .732 1 7.91 110.7 102.3 Lost Western Conference Finals Nelson (60-22)
2001-02 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 57 25 .695 2 4.41 112.2 107.7 Lost Western Conference Semifinals



Phoenix Suns 2004-2008


2007-08 NBA Phoenix Suns* 55 27 .671 2 5.14 113.3 108.1 Lost Western Conference First Round D'Antoni (55-27)
2006-07 NBA Phoenix Suns* 61 21 .744 1 7.27 113.9 106.4 Lost Western Conference Semifinals D'Antoni (61-21)
2005-06 NBA Phoenix Suns* 54 28 .659 1 5.48 111.5 105.8 Lost Western Conference Finals D'Antoni (54-28)
2004-05 NBA Phoenix Suns* 62 20 .756 1 7.08 114.5 107.1 Lost Western Conference Finals




New Jersey Nets 2001-2004


2003-04 NBA New Jersey Nets* 47 35 .573 1 1.88 100.8 98.0 Lost Eastern Conference Semifinals Scott (22-20) and Frank (25-15)
2002-03 NBA New Jersey Nets* 49 33 .598 1 4.42 103.8 98.1 Lost Finals Scott (49-33)
2001-02 NBA New Jersey Nets* 52 30 .634 1 3.67 104.0 99.5 Lost Finals

superkegger
08-24-2008, 11:24 PM
The mavs undoubtedly. Up 2-0 on the Heat, actually like 2 3/4 on the Heat and crumbled, badly.

Beno7500
08-24-2008, 11:27 PM
Sacramento Kings 2000-2004

superkegger
08-24-2008, 11:33 PM
Sacramento Kings 2000-2004

They had a good chance, but they also had much tougher roadblocks in their way. Namely the Lakers, Spurs and Blazers... They never even got a chance to fail in the finals.

JJ_JKidd
08-24-2008, 11:34 PM
The Mavs, mainly because they were in the Finals. We all know however what really happened in that series. :smoking:

Beno7500
08-24-2008, 11:38 PM
The Mavs, mainly because they were in the Finals. We all know however what really happened in that series. :smoking:

*cough* wade *cough* preferential treatment *cough*

Jay22Redd
08-24-2008, 11:43 PM
Sacramento Kings

Beno7500
08-24-2008, 11:45 PM
They had a good chance, but they also had much tougher roadblocks in their way. Namely the Lakers, Spurs and Blazers... They never even got a chance to fail in the finals.

Did you not hear about Tim Donaghy and Dick Bavetta?

superkegger
08-24-2008, 11:51 PM
Did you not hear about Tim Donaghy and Dick Bavetta?

Yes, but still, the fact that the Mavs completely collapsed in the finals in Titanic fashion makes me pick them. That was probably one of the biggest choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Beno7500
08-24-2008, 11:52 PM
Yes, but still, the fact that the Mavs completely collapsed in the finals in Titanic fashion makes me pick them. That was probably one of the biggest choke jobs I've ever witnessed.


Read my post.

It is post # 6 in this thread.

still1ballin
08-24-2008, 11:55 PM
Has to be Dallas, they were right there, and they were the favorites to beat the heat in the finals.

Chaudhry
08-24-2008, 11:59 PM
how bout the 2000 portland trailblazers... took a 15 point lead into the 4th quarter of game 7 and lost to the lakers who went on to win in 6... western conference that year was easily the strongest conference and portland probably would have beaten indiana...

JordansBulls
08-25-2008, 12:06 AM
The Mavs, mainly because they were in the Finals. We all know however what really happened in that series. :smoking:

Nets were in the finals twice as well

superkegger
08-25-2008, 12:11 AM
Read my post.

It is post # 6 in this thread.

I'm completely aware of the Wade preferential treatment and so on. But you would think after a game of it, or at the least 2 they could have figured out something do about it other than ***** about it. It's like they though it would just work itself out or something.


Nets were in the finals twice as well


Against what we all know was completely superior competition...there's no real shame in losing to a team thats clearly better...

Master P
08-25-2008, 12:16 AM
The nets were in the finals twice representing the very weak eastern conference. everyone knew the western conference finals were the true nba championship round, even despite the fact that the nets magically pushed the spurs to six games the one season.

i take the kings in this situation. i really thought they had things locked for the title the one year after laker-mania had ended, but then webber went down due to injury in the second round and took their championship hopes with him. Dallas and Pheonix had the healthy rosters needed to win a title, but didnt. I think, had webber not been injured, the kings would have won a title.

#1Mavericksfan
08-25-2008, 12:17 AM
Once I saw the name of this thread I just knew the Mavs were gonna get bashed and labeled as "choke artists" and they blew there lead in that series and Dwyane Wade single handedly beat the Mavs.

All of that is getting old now and when it comes out that the refs help the Heat win that series weather it's later this year or when Tim Donaghy get's out of jail and writes his tell all book then some of you are not gonna have anything to say so keep calling the Mavs "choke artists" becasue it's getting old.

superkegger
08-25-2008, 12:22 AM
The nets were in the finals twice representing the very weak eastern conference. everyone knew the western conference finals were the true nba championship round, even despite the fact that the nets magically pushed the spurs to six games the one season.

i take the kings in this situation. i really thought they had things locked for the title the one year after laker-mania had ended, but then webber went down due to injury in the second round and took their championship hopes with him. Dallas and Pheonix had the healthy rosters needed to win a title, but didnt. I think, had webber not been injured, the kings would have won a title.

But see, the way I see it, injuries are a part of the game. Everyone at one point or another incures them. One could make that argument for the Lakers (Bynum) or Spurs (Ginobli in WCF) this year. There are so many teams that could have been so much more were it not for injury. The rockets last year maybe, the bulls in 94-95 seasons ( not injury, but somewhat the same thing with MJ retiring), the Heat the year before they won the title when wade went down in the ECF, the Pistons this year with Chauncey. Injuries are just a part of the game, and everybody has to deal with them.

Now I know it hurts your chances at a title, but its something most every team goes through even championship teams, its just a matter of how severe and when they happen.

To me, for the Mavs to be in the Finals, up 2-0, and healthy only to **** it away, regardless of the Wade controversey is inexcusable.

SAVAGE CLAW
08-25-2008, 12:32 AM
Mavs 06 Utah Jazz 98 Knicks 94.

They were robbed by the Referees. I should check if Donaghy was up there on those finals.

lavis
08-25-2008, 12:32 AM
Maverix! lol

superkegger
08-25-2008, 12:36 AM
Mavs 06 Utah Jazz 98 Knicks 94.

They were robbed by the Referees. I should check if Donaghy was up there on those finals.

You're saying that the Jazz that lost to Michael and the Bulls should have won? Please. Maybe fools at the time thought that the Jazz should have won, but hindsight clearly tells us there was no way the Bulls would lose.

SAVAGE CLAW
08-25-2008, 12:45 AM
Where i come from that "marvillous" " Last career" Shot by Mj is called and OFFENSIVE FOUL.

Oh i forgot Kings got Raped by Refs too against Lakers.

Crap, im really sensitive about Refs today.......

JJ_JKidd
08-25-2008, 12:47 AM
Nets were in the finals twice as well

Yeah vs. prime Kobe-Shaq and Timmy's Spurs on a team with

Kidd
Kittles
Van Horn/RJ
Martin
MaCcullough/freakin Collins

They NEVER had the chance esp. with the Lakers. :smoking:

Beno7500
08-25-2008, 12:48 AM
That hurts me so bad when I think about that series. i literally break down in tears sometimes.

HansumJay
08-25-2008, 01:13 AM
Haslem abused Dirk and you couldn't breathe on Wade that whole series was a joke. A sweep that was negated by officials

UK Bull
08-25-2008, 02:29 AM
Mavericks

Tom81
08-25-2008, 03:17 AM
mavs was close

Beno7500
08-25-2008, 03:37 AM
Tom81, post more than just 2-3 words.

Hellcrooner
08-25-2008, 03:59 AM
Lakers where BETTER than those kings, i think Rileys knicks should have won at least 1 ring during the 90s.

nygiants242
08-25-2008, 04:12 AM
eh idk I think the Suns, although I like the Mavs in this poll as well..

Beno7500
08-25-2008, 04:29 AM
Lakers where BETTER than those kings, i think Rileys knicks should have won at least 1 ring during the 90s.

You are funny.

Hellcrooner
08-25-2008, 04:34 AM
Yeah? im funny? is a fact!!! we won 3 rings and you won 0.

If hyou had been up to the challenge you woudl have taken us out once at least.

No hate here, just stating Facts.

Beno7500
08-25-2008, 04:37 AM
Yeah? im funny? is a fact!!! we won 3 rings and you won 0.

If hyou had been up to the challenge you woudl have taken us out once at least.

No hate here, just stating Facts.

Are you familiar with your friend Mr. Donaghy?

Hellcrooner
08-25-2008, 04:40 AM
no but i have a friend Mr sternt that made sure the hawks didnt upset those ulgy green guys

Beno7500
08-25-2008, 04:43 AM
no but i have a friend Mr sternt that made sure the hawks didnt upset those ulgy green guys

I hate the Celtics...

Lakersfan2483
08-25-2008, 06:29 AM
The Dallas Mavericks

Fireworld
08-25-2008, 06:31 AM
Sacramento

LakerzDQ
08-25-2008, 07:02 AM
Kings were really good, but since they never reached the finals, I gotta give it to the Mavericks.

Faneik
08-25-2008, 08:14 AM
no but i have a friend Mr sternt that made sure the hawks didnt upset those ulgy green guys

Get over it cry-baby!

You're just upset we beat your Lakers in the Finals!

Faneik
08-25-2008, 08:14 AM
I hate the Celtics...

Who cares??

JordansBulls
08-25-2008, 08:24 AM
You're saying that the Jazz that lost to Michael and the Bulls should have won? Please. Maybe fools at the time thought that the Jazz should have won, but hindsight clearly tells us there was no way the Bulls would lose.

MJ spoke about how everyone expected the Jazz to beat them in '98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYseUjOBAc

mfb_lt1birdman
08-25-2008, 08:28 AM
The noted Kings, Suns, Mavs, had one serious flaw. They did not play good team D. They had brilliant, potent, high efficiency offenses with great team chemistry. But when it came to it they did not play good enough D and thats why they did not win.

I would say the Kings were closest though because if it was not for the Kobe/Shaq Lakers they would have at least 2 of those rings.

The noted Nets were just plain weak.

Cavs_Fan24
08-25-2008, 10:01 AM
i think the Sacramento Kings from 2000-04 for sure.

_Sn1P3r_
08-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Sactown and Dallas.

JordansBulls
08-25-2008, 05:44 PM
For a given 5 year time period this is what each team did.


2007-08 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 51 31 Lost 1st Round
2006-07 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 67 15 Lost 1st Round
2005-06 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 60 22 Lost NBA Finals
2004-05 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 58 24 Lost Semifinals
2003-04 NBA Dallas Mavericks* 52 30 Lost 1st Round


2007-08 NBA Phoenix Suns* 55 27 Lost 1st Round
2006-07 NBA Phoenix Suns* 61 21 Lost Semifinals
2005-06 NBA Phoenix Suns* 54 28 Lost Conference Finals
2004-05 NBA Phoenix Suns* 62 20 Lost Conference Finals
2003-04 NBA Phoenix Suns 29 53 No Playoffs



2005-06 NBA New Jersey Nets* 49 33 Lost Semifinals
2004-05 NBA New Jersey Nets* 42 40 Lost 1st Round
2003-04 NBA New Jersey Nets* 47 35 Lost Conference Finals
2002-03 NBA New Jersey Nets* 49 33 Lost NBA Finals
2001-02 NBA New Jersey Nets* 52 30 Lost NBA Finals



2004-05 NBA Sacramento Kings* 50 32 Lost 1st Round
2003-04 NBA Sacramento Kings* 55 27 Lost Conference Semifinals
2002-03 NBA Sacramento Kings* 59 23 Lost Conference Semifinals
2001-02 NBA Sacramento Kings* 61 21 Lost Conference Finals
2000-01 NBA Sacramento Kings* 55 27 Lost Conference Semifinals


Which of these scenarios would you want to have for a 5 year time period?

njdevilsnnets
08-25-2008, 05:47 PM
Very surprised im the only one that voted Nets.

They had how many attempts at the championship lik 3?
You gotta capitalize they had a great team
Kidd, Jefferson, Martin - Marter and kidd being at their best levels at that time. Kittles, harris, a lotta other great players. We shoulda got it done once at least. Shaq wasn't even the problem, cause collins guarded him well.

After that, firing scott has brought the nets to a complete downfall....no wonder

MiamiHeat
08-25-2008, 05:58 PM
*cough* wade *cough* preferential treatment *cough*

well well we got a hater on Wade
but thats good that shows that Wade is doing something good :D
poor Kings fan
they got Martin and....?
:pity:

THE_FLASH_21
08-25-2008, 06:01 PM
how bout the 2000 portland trailblazers... took a 15 point lead into the 4th quarter of game 7 and lost to the lakers who went on to win in 6... western conference that year was easily the strongest conference and portland probably would have beaten indiana...

No way.. Who would of stopped Reggie and Jalen Rose?????

THE_FLASH_21
08-25-2008, 06:02 PM
Utah in back to back years in the mid 90's.... **** I HATE JORDAN!!!!

Nighthawk
08-25-2008, 06:09 PM
I Went with Sactown. the Kings had a team i thought for sure would win a title

Bibby
Christie
Peja
Webber
Divac

DreamShaker
08-25-2008, 06:20 PM
Kings were the best team of all those guys....nearly beat the Lakers that one year....02 I think....

DreamShaker
08-25-2008, 06:21 PM
I Went with Sactown. the Kings had a team i thought for sure would win a title

Bibby
Christie
Peja
Webber
Divac

And Hedo and BJax coming off the bench....

Hawkeye15
08-25-2008, 06:29 PM
Did you not hear about Tim Donaghy and Dick Bavetta?

or Garnett, Cassell, and Spree?

Hawkeye15
08-25-2008, 06:31 PM
well well we got a hater on Wade
but thats good that shows that Wade is doing something good :D
poor Kings fan
they got Martin and....?
:pity:

well, he did get a lot of calls, but part of that was due to Cuban and the rest of the Mavs whining so much instead of playing. I mean, if you are a ref, and you have to listen to the owner, and his players scream at you, would you give them a call? Wade saw this, and just put his head down and found a body

Hawkeye15
08-25-2008, 06:32 PM
Yeah? im funny? is a fact!!! we won 3 rings and you won 0.

If hyou had been up to the challenge you woudl have taken us out once at least.

No hate here, just stating Facts.

I think with Shaq in his prime, you just needed to surround him with capable players. The Kings didn't have anyone to match him. At all.

Hellcrooner
08-26-2008, 03:05 AM
jazz should have taken at least 1 of the two finals if not both,

But mr david stern didnt allow it, his Homemade "legend" had still only 4 rings.....

ARMIN12NBA
08-26-2008, 03:33 AM
Are you familiar with your friend Mr. Donaghy?

Tim Donaghy did not referee any of those games. Not to mention that 82games.com proved that the refereeing in Game 6 was completely fair. Plus it was a 15 free-throw differential in the game, which is not all that bad considering a few things.

The Lakers had a total 195 free-throw attempts in the series. The Kings had a total 204 free-throw attempts in the series. That hardly sounds like a conspiracy.

In Game 2, the Kings were awarded 38 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 25 (13 differential).
In Game 3, the Kings were awarded 35 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 15 (20 differential!).
In Game 5, the Kings were awarded 33 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 23 (10 differential).

The Lakers only had that one game (Game 6) where they had a big differential in free-throws, which was 15 and that still does not compare to the 20 that the Kings got in Game 3. Other than that game, the Lakers lead in free-throw attempts by 5, 1, and 3 compared to the Kings leading in free-attempts by 13, 20, and 10.

It seems as if the Kings had three games where they were favored heavily by the referees compared to the Lakers one. Otherwise, the three other games in the series were called pretty fairly in terms of free-throw attempts.

Anyways, like I said before:

The Lakers had a total 195 free-throw attempts in the series. The Kings had a total 204 free-throw attempts in the series. That hardly sounds like a conspiracy.

Hellcrooner
08-26-2008, 03:35 AM
and that considering that teams used to Hack a sahq due to his lack of aptitude to shoot f/T :D

Kings Faithful
08-26-2008, 03:48 AM
Its got to be the Kings...yes, technically the Mavs were closer at one point...but they were in reallity 2 games away considering they were up 2-0...the Kings on the other hand were 1 game away from making it to the finals, where they no doubtedly would have beaten the Nets...plus the whole rigged game thing and everything. And the Kings never really collapsed like the Mavs did, they just got screwed. So yeah. Not to say, that the Mavs didn't have there fair share of screwings in that series thoe.

ARMIN12NBA
08-26-2008, 04:10 AM
Its got to be the Kings...yes, technically the Mavs were closer at one point...but they were in reallity 2 games away considering they were up 2-0...the Kings on the other hand were 1 game away from making it to the finals, where they no doubtedly would have beaten the Nets...plus the whole rigged game thing and everything. And the Kings never really collapsed like the Mavs did, they just got screwed. So yeah. Not to say, that the Mavs didn't have there fair share of screwings in that series thoe.

Do I have to explain this again?

The Lakers had a total 195 free-throw attempts in the series. The Kings had a total 204 free-throw attempts in the series. That hardly sounds like a conspiracy.

In Game 2, the Kings were awarded 38 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 25 (13 differential).
In Game 3, the Kings were awarded 35 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 15 (20 differential!).
In Game 5, the Kings were awarded 33 free-throw attempts compared to the Lakers 23 (10 differential).

The Lakers only had that one game (Game 6) where they had a big differential in free-throws, which was 15 and that still does not compare to the 20 that the Kings got in Game 3. Other than that game, the Lakers lead in free-throw attempts by 5, 1, and 3 compared to the Kings leading in free-attempts by 13, 20, and 10.

It seems as if the Kings had three games where they were favored heavily by the referees compared to the Lakers one. Otherwise, the three other games in the series were called pretty fairly in terms of free-throw attempts.

Anyways, like I said before:

The Lakers had a total 195 free-throw attempts in the series. The Kings had a total 204 free-throw attempts in the series. That hardly sounds like a conspiracy or your team getting screwed.

Chaudhry
08-26-2008, 01:30 PM
No way.. Who would of stopped Reggie and Jalen Rose?????

how about one of the best defenders in the history of the game in Scottie Pippen? who was gonna stop Rasheed wallace?

Rik Smits vs Sabonis
Dale Davis vs Rasheed wallace
Jalen Rose vs Pippen
Miller vs Steve Smith
Marc Jackson vs Damon Stoudamire

and portland had a much better bench...

Hellcrooner
08-26-2008, 01:37 PM
whats happening here?

JordansBulls
08-26-2008, 01:39 PM
Guys, the topic is about the 4 teams in the poll. Any other team that didn't have to play them that people are talking about is irrelevant.

MiamiHeat
08-26-2008, 01:39 PM
well, he did get a lot of calls, but part of that was due to Cuban and the rest of the Mavs whining so much instead of playing. I mean, if you are a ref, and you have to listen to the owner, and his players scream at you, would you give them a call? Wade saw this, and just put his head down and found a body

that my friend is call being smart :D

MiamiHeatWade33
08-26-2008, 01:51 PM
the lakers did not deserve the championship in 2002 well we already know why disgraced referee tim donaghy fixed that seies esspecially game 6, the kings wouldve been the nba champs in 02 if it wasnt for donaghy, remember tim donaghy is a lakers fan u never know the lakers mightve also not have deserved it in 00 and 01.

FromDallas
08-26-2008, 01:54 PM
Yes, but still, the fact that the Mavs completely collapsed in the finals in Titanic fashion makes me pick them. That was probably one of the biggest choke jobs I've ever witnessed.

Any team that has to play 5 against 8 would have trouble closing out a series.

97'bulls
08-26-2008, 03:14 PM
mavs... they got robbed in the finals.

Chaudhry
08-26-2008, 10:22 PM
whats happening here?


Guys, the topic is about the 4 teams in the poll. Any other team that didn't have to play them that people are talking about is irrelevant.


lol sorry... i was just saying... portland was pretty good during that time... filled with allstars...

other then that sacramento... I honestly thought they would win a championship... they had a really good squad and were within a shot from the championship...

dallas got to the finals and lost in 6...

sac and LA were the only real contenders at the time...

Yogi
08-26-2008, 10:43 PM
I think the Kings, they were really good.

LA412
08-26-2008, 11:01 PM
Sac-Town.......i cant really put the Mavs as the worst because of the D Wade treatment

Kings Faithful
08-26-2008, 11:10 PM
the lakers did not deserve the championship in 2002 well we already know why disgraced referee tim donaghy fixed that seies esspecially game 6, the kings wouldve been the nba champs in 02 if it wasnt for donaghy, remember tim donaghy is a lakers fan u never know the lakers mightve also not have deserved it in 00 and 01.

Let's not pin the blame on Donaghy for that one. He didn't really have anything to do with the Lakers - Kings series, he just knew that it happened. It was Bavetta and another ref that fixed that series. I read an article on a list of extremely suspicious games that Bavetta just happened to be reffing, so im almost certain that guy is dirty as it gets.

Kyle N.
08-26-2008, 11:26 PM
Regardless of if the Kings got screwed or didn't get screwed or if it was fair or not, the 01-02 Kings were close to a title and didn't get it. And you can't say the Kings had no answer for Shaq because the didn't lose by much so the blowing of the wind could have changed things. Yeah, also the Mavs in 05-06, that really sucked for them.

markkk89
08-30-2008, 05:43 PM
I remember the Blazers when they had a bench that would've been all starters in other teams.. But ofcouse.. with LA down by 16(?) with a few minutes to go, Kobe took over the game, which led to the Lakers' first championship.. and I don't get why some won't give credit to Kobe with those championships, but in reality he started it all..