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Master P
08-20-2008, 12:29 AM
i am not sold on the sixers. they over-achieved last year and i dont have as much optimism about elton brand as the addition the makes them fantastic.

so here is my evidence of why sixers fans should be concerned.

2002 - 2003 los angeles clippers.
overall record: 27 - 55
roster includes
andre miller (in prime)
elton brand (younger, healthier)
lamar odom (better than dalembert)
maggette (worse than iggy)

am i saying the sixers will win 27 games? no.
am i saying the sixers aren't better than last year? no
did i say the sixers over achieved last season? yes
do i feel the sixers will win significantly more games this season than last? no
do i feel the sixers are a 50 win team? no
do i feel the sixers are a serious threat to advance to the ecf? no

Westbrook36
08-20-2008, 12:35 AM
Cool?

LakerzDQ
08-20-2008, 12:36 AM
well, I think this Sixers team play well together. the thing they lacked was star-power. they didn't have a legit 1st option in their team, because Iggy is more of a 2nd option. with Elton Brand coming to provide another star presence, the sixers will improve by quite a bit. not to mention, their young players like lou williams and thad young will improve.

Westbrook36
08-20-2008, 12:37 AM
Lamar Odom was not better then Sammy D in 02-03..also Andre Miller was better last year then 02-03..

phillyphan4ever
08-20-2008, 12:39 AM
thanks for your opinion?

lakers4sho
08-20-2008, 12:40 AM
i am not sold on the sixers. they over-achieved last year and i dont have as much optimism about elton brand as the addition the makes them fantastic.

so here is my evidence of why sixers fans should be concerned.

2002 - 2003 los angeles clippers.
overall record: 27 - 55
roster includes
andre miller (in prime)
elton brand (younger, healthier)
lamar odom (better than dalembert)
maggette (worse than iggy)

am i saying the sixers will win 27 games? no.
am i saying the sixers aren't better than last year? no
did i say the sixers over achieved last season? yes
do i feel the sixers will win significantly more games this season than last? no
do i feel the sixers are a 50 win team? no
do i feel the sixers are a serious threat to advance to the ecf? no

For crying out loud, that team had Kandi Man as their starting C :rolleyes:

Ph1lly Diehard
08-20-2008, 12:48 AM
This is the dumbest post iv'e ever read.

You state no points in why this team will not be good.

"You over achieved last season"

Ok, and how will this affect us this season?

Bringing in 02-03 stats from the CLIPPERS has nothing to do with this years 76ers.

Why do you even bother posting this.

SeoulBeatz
08-20-2008, 12:51 AM
makes sense to me.

lets turn in the season right now.

yes our team overachieved last season, in the sense that we made the playoffs, a feat NO ONE expected us to accomplish.

but it was no fluke like many people think.

we were 4-5 against detroit last season (including playoffs and regular season)

in the last month we finally meshed as a team and it worked, all without a TRUE star or low post presence of any kind.

In the final month of the season the sixers beat.....

Boston (away)
Phoenix (away)
Denver
Dallas
San Antonio
Detroit (twice)
Orlando
Toronto


once again, all without a post presence and without a bench.

they are also a very young team with rising talent in

Andre Iguodala
Lou Williams
Thaddeus Young
Marreese Speights

throw in a few more bench players and solid role players AND a 3 point specialist, and you have a pretty damn good team.


PG: Andre Miller/ Lou Williams/ Royal Ivey
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Willie Green
SF: Thaddeus Young (arguably our 2nd best player in the playoffs)/ Kareem Rush (3 point specialist)
PF: Elton Brand (our savior)/ Reggie Evans/ Marreese Speights
C: Samuel Dalembert/ Theo Ratliff/ Jason Smith

thats a pretty good lineup right there... and i think we can def improve to a 48+ win team this season if everyone stays healthy.

Knowledge
08-20-2008, 12:55 AM
i am not sold on the sixers. they over-achieved last year and i dont have as much optimism about elton brand as the addition the makes them fantastic.

so here is my evidence of why sixers fans should be concerned.

2002 - 2003 los angeles clippers.
overall record: 27 - 55
roster includes
andre miller (in prime)
elton brand (younger, healthier)

lamar odom (better than dalembert)
maggette (worse than iggy)

am i saying the sixers will win 27 games? no.
am i saying the sixers aren't better than last year? no
did i say the sixers over achieved last season? yes
do i feel the sixers will win significantly more games this season than last? no
do i feel the sixers are a 50 win team? no
do i feel the sixers are a serious threat to advance to the ecf? no

76ers play defense which is why they overcame teams that had more talent than them last year. This year their young players grew even more so i expect big things.

Clippers were never great defensively and seemed to have injuries to key players year in and year out hence inconsistent seasons.
Defense can make a team of average players a formidable one.

Master P
08-20-2008, 01:02 AM
my thought process on the overachievement factor works like this. the sixers won 40 games last season. if they did not aquire brand, how comfortable would sixer fans be that they could win 40 games again? could that team compete in the improved east? would teams take them more seriously after watching them surprise the pistons in the playoffs. would they still win games against all those teams that were better than them? i dont think they would. i could see them sliding a few games, no more than 5.

so then with that in mind the addition of elton does make them a better team than last year. my opinion (im allowed to have those in a public nba forum) is that he will make the team 10 games better than how they would fair without him. that's why i have them coming in around 45 wins.

and how doesn't comparing teams with two identical starters at least bring something to the table in regards to forming opinions on the success of the sixers? if it were my team with two of its majour players having played together on a 27 win team (with a supporting cast that had arms and legs) id be a little concerned.

again, yes this is opinion. but this is a public forum, everyone is allowed to have an opinion here, it's what gets us through the off-season. then in the season we all get to enjoy our 'i told you so's'.

IversonIsKrazy
08-20-2008, 01:11 AM
they'll b a 5th seed in the east

Chronz
08-20-2008, 01:18 AM
That Clippers team didnt make the playoffs without Brand. And no matter how much a team overachieves they dont experience a monumental collapse to the point where these guys arent locks for the playoffs.

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
08-20-2008, 01:30 AM
I think they will have a good team, probably win a lot of games.

In the playoffs though not sure they will get really far, but you really never know.

I am not sold on them either, but we don't need to start threads saying this, just wait and let the season play out. The people who over hype could be in for a surprise, and so could the people underestimating them.

SAVAGE CLAW
08-20-2008, 01:33 AM
Oh , so you are basically saying that if Portlands YOUNG core does not make the playoffs this year they wont do it if they keep togheter when they are in their prime?

Solid Argumentation.....................

fedwik1
08-20-2008, 02:06 AM
my thought process on the overachievement factor works like this. the sixers won 40 games last season. if they did not aquire brand, how comfortable would sixer fans be that they could win 40 games again? could that team compete in the improved east? would teams take them more seriously after watching them surprise the pistons in the playoffs. would they still win games against all those teams that were better than them? i dont think they would. i could see them sliding a few games, no more than 5.

so then with that in mind the addition of elton does make them a better team than last year. my opinion (im allowed to have those in a public nba forum) is that he will make the team 10 games better than how they would fair without him. that's why i have them coming in around 45 wins.

and how doesn't comparing teams with two identical starters at least bring something to the table in regards to forming opinions on the success of the sixers? if it were my team with two of its majour players having played together on a 27 win team (with a supporting cast that had arms and legs) id be a little concerned.

again, yes this is opinion. but this is a public forum, everyone is allowed to have an opinion here, it's what gets us through the off-season. then in the season we all get to enjoy our 'i told you so's'.

Since you know so much why is it that the sixers began to win games last year and get into the playoff picture? If I recall they did not start the season very hot, but once B.K. left and Ed had the team play Thad and push the ball more, the team began to win games. The problem is you can't run teams everygame and eventually you have to play a halfcourt game, but they didn't have an inside presence which really hurt the Sixers. Now that Brand is there he will provide that presence and watch out for Speights in a few years. Also, last year was probably Andre Miller's best year, he loved running especially when you have A.I. to lob it to on the fastbreak. Therefore, I don't see how you think they overachieved especially since they didn't change there style until Ed came in. This year they have young players that are even more prepared and a motivated Elton Brand, basically master p don't talk because you don't know anything go play a game of horse or something wit romeo.

Phillies 369083
08-20-2008, 02:18 AM
i am not sold on the sixers. they over-achieved last year and i dont have as much optimism about elton brand as the addition the makes them fantastic.

so here is my evidence of why sixers fans should be concerned.

2002 - 2003 los angeles clippers.
overall record: 27 - 55
roster includes
andre miller (in prime)
elton brand (younger, healthier)
lamar odom (better than dalembert)
maggette (worse than iggy)

am i saying the sixers will win 27 games? no.
am i saying the sixers aren't better than last year? no
did i say the sixers over achieved last season? yes
do i feel the sixers will win significantly more games this season than last? no
do i feel the sixers are a 50 win team? no
do i feel the sixers are a serious threat to advance to the ecf? no



1.Andre Miller is in his prime now.

2.First off I don't see how you can compare them they play different positions and their different types of players. But honestly I would rather have Dalembert.

3. and 4. Just remember were in a weak conference

knowledgeGOD
08-20-2008, 02:20 AM
word up i respect your opinon

Phillies 369083
08-20-2008, 02:23 AM
Oh and plus I think the Mo Cheeks is a better coach then Dunleavy,Gentry, or Johnson

dick butane
08-20-2008, 02:26 AM
my thought process on the overachievement factor works like this. the sixers won 40 games last season. if they did not aquire brand, how comfortable would sixer fans be that they could win 40 games again? could that team compete in the improved east? would teams take them more seriously after watching them surprise the pistons in the playoffs. would they still win games against all those teams that were better than them? i dont think they would. i could see them sliding a few games, no more than 5.

so then with that in mind the addition of elton does make them a better team than last year. my opinion (im allowed to have those in a public nba forum) is that he will make the team 10 games better than how they would fair without him. that's why i have them coming in around 45 wins.

and how doesn't comparing teams with two identical starters at least bring something to the table in regards to forming opinions on the success of the sixers? if it were my team with two of its majour players having played together on a 27 win team (with a supporting cast that had arms and legs) id be a little concerned.

again, yes this is opinion. but this is a public forum, everyone is allowed to have an opinion here, it's what gets us through the off-season. then in the season we all get to enjoy our 'i told you so's'.

I think your original point is right on. If the starting PG and PF of a losing team are reunited after a few years of aging and a few injuries.... and given similar players as when they lost together... you can only expect to compare the teams. I think sixers barely make the playoffs and lose in the first round and continue to smell.

Westbrook36
08-20-2008, 02:28 AM
I think your original point is right on. If the starting PG and PF of a losing team are reunited after a few years of aging and a few injuries.... and given similar players as when they lost together... you can only expect to compare the teams. I think sixers barely make the playoffs and lose in the first round and continue to smell.

Wow..Andre Miller was better Last Season then ever, Elton Brand showed at the end of the season he can put up 20/10. Also Sammy D is way better then Odom was in the 02-03 Season, Add in that the Clippers had the worst starting Center and Bingo. Andre Iggy is also better then Maggette.

Phillies 369083
08-20-2008, 02:36 AM
^ Plus they went through three sucky coaches.

Storch
08-20-2008, 02:48 AM
Im interested in seeing how brand would play out for them, since the sixers were a really fast team on the break. brand is like... fat.

LA_Raiders
08-20-2008, 02:50 AM
Hell no. the are a pretty good team for the Easy...Top 5 IMO...

Knicks845
08-20-2008, 09:36 AM
Why are people riding "master p" for??? I bet if he had 2000 post's instead of 75 or so, none of you would be like "cool" or "okkk????" etc. This site is biased on "posts" I bet if someone like.... "Jordansbulls" wrote that exact same thread, no caps, no spell check, there would be no bull **** replys.

lakers4sho
08-20-2008, 10:01 AM
And the Clippers had freakin' Kandi Man as their starting C ;)

CELTICS4LYFE
08-20-2008, 10:17 AM
the 2nd half of the season the 6ers were one of if not thee best team in the league(i dont have the numbers in front of me) sooo by adding brand they're not goin to be better??!! :confused:

CELTICS4LYFE
08-20-2008, 10:19 AM
Why are people riding "master p" for??? I bet if he had 2000 post's instead of 75 or so, none of you would be like "cool" or "okkk????" etc. This site is biased on "posts" I bet if someone like.... "Jordansbulls" wrote that exact same thread, no caps, no spell check, there would be no bull **** replys.

this is also tru......we r all not journalist... were jus sports fans!!!!!!:clap:

Zefflin
08-20-2008, 10:20 AM
They just signed Ratliff too, they are making many smart moves over there and will be a very highly improved team next season.

_Sn1P3r_
08-20-2008, 10:24 AM
I actually think they are a top 5 seed in the east. They did not just add EB but key role players.

Bob_at_york
08-20-2008, 10:45 AM
We were a terrible shooting team last year, but typically guys shoot their worst when they enter the league. So, adding a post presence and a year of experience can mean great things for this franchise in the next few years.

The bolded part is the key thing to me. Brand will take up space in the paint, if the people he passes out to can't hit long jumpers then the 76ers might not be as good as some people think. It really depends on if Iggy, Lou and company can hit their jumpers. If not teams will play a lot of zone against them and they could fail (meaning not win over 45 games).

kylem4711
08-20-2008, 12:43 PM
thanks for your opinion?

its a forum, people are supposed to be giving their poinion?

pwest6
08-20-2008, 01:04 PM
In the final month of the season the sixers beat.....

Boston (away)
Phoenix (away)
Denver
Dallas
San Antonio
Detroit (twice)
Orlando
Toronto

Don't forget going 0-3 against the Pacers last season:laugh:

IndiansFan337
08-20-2008, 01:14 PM
the 2nd half of the season the 6ers were one of if not thee best team in the league(i dont have the numbers in front of me) sooo by adding brand they're not goin to be better??!! :confused:
They overachieved. Surely, they are better with Brand. But the 2nd half was them overachieving. I think you'll get around 45 wins from them this year.


They just signed Ratliff too, they are making many smart moves over there and will be a very highly improved team next season.
He's terrible. If he's playing more than 5-6 mpg for them than the Sixers will not be a very good team this year.

RapsFan4Life
08-20-2008, 01:22 PM
i think sixers over achieved last year esspecially in the playoffs ... young and athletic team can be explosive .. but elton slows them down, kind of like shaq in PHX ...
they caught everyone by suprise last year and this year they can not play at such a quick pass because of elton, their game will change (slightly, but still a change) and teams will be able to gaurd them better, IGGY is a wicked slasher but now playing SG i think he will settle for jumpers .. quicker defenders make it hard to get in the lane... young is a wicked player but for younger ballers consistantcy is their biggest weakness .. just ask Andrea Bargs

76ers will be 6th seed and finish with 43 wins 39 losses, 3 wins will come in OT and 2 losses in OT

FNM BOY
08-20-2008, 01:32 PM
^^^Elton is as slow or fat as you guys think. Keep doubting and hating. Brand is coming back in top form. And with a solid inside presence....Look not only for Iggy and Lou to light up...but that boy Rush when he is on...he can shoot with the the best. Time will takes it course...you'll see.

Iversonfan4life
08-20-2008, 02:21 PM
the sixers were a running team last year with reggie evans starting at PF. Reggie is not a speedster by any means and we were still a running team. Second the sixers were a great defensive team i think they ranked 6th or 7th in the league in the points allowed per game Brand should only improve the D. third they were one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league and one of te best rebounding overall Brand should also improve this.
Plus look who they added and let go this off season

Got:
Brand(All Star nuff said)
Rush- three point shooter
Ivey- Defensive stopper and has more offensive game then kevin ollie
Ratliff- a downgrade from smith and older but still a d- stopper and brings vet experience to a young team.
Speights: hes gonna be special in the future and will play a decent role this yr.

Lost:
Louis Amundson
Shavlick Randolph
kevin ollie
herber hill
Jason Smith ( a loss but he wasn't supposed to do a lot this yr anyway)

most of you have prob not even heard of the players we lossed other then smith

EasyMac951
08-20-2008, 02:30 PM
We will see. You never know what can happen. Look at the Bulls who thought they would have a great season last year but didnt. You just never know when your in the Eastern Conference. I am 50/50 on the sizers. Just have to wait until the end of November to see what they are all about.

cheesesteak121
08-20-2008, 02:31 PM
makes sense to me.

lets turn in the season right now.

yes our team overachieved last season, in the sense that we made the playoffs, a feat NO ONE expected us to accomplish.

but it was no fluke like many people think.

we were 4-5 against detroit last season (including playoffs and regular season)

in the last month we finally meshed as a team and it worked, all without a TRUE star or low post presence of any kind.

In the final month of the season the sixers beat.....

Boston (away)
Phoenix (away)
Denver
Dallas
San Antonio
Detroit (twice)
Orlando
Toronto


once again, all without a post presence and without a bench.

they are also a very young team with rising talent in

Andre Iguodala
Lou Williams
Thaddeus Young
Marreese Speights

throw in a few more bench players and solid role players AND a 3 point specialist, and you have a pretty damn good team.


PG: Andre Miller/ Lou Williams/ Royal Ivey
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Willie Green
SF: Thaddeus Young (arguably our 2nd best player in the playoffs)/ Kareem Rush (3 point specialist)
PF: Elton Brand (our savior)/ Reggie Evans/ Marreese Speights
C: Samuel Dalembert/ Theo Ratliff/ Jason Smith

thats a pretty good lineup right there... and i think we can def improve to a 48+ win team this season if everyone stays healthy.

RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTT ONNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! GO SIXERS! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!

NYstateofMinD
08-20-2008, 02:36 PM
i am not sold on the sixers. they over-achieved last year and i dont have as much optimism about elton brand as the addition the makes them fantastic.

so here is my evidence of why sixers fans should be concerned.

2002 - 2003 los angeles clippers.
overall record: 27 - 55
roster includes
andre miller (in prime)
elton brand (younger, healthier)
lamar odom (better than dalembert)
maggette (worse than iggy)

am i saying the sixers will win 27 games? no.
am i saying the sixers aren't better than last year? no
did i say the sixers over achieved last season? yes
do i feel the sixers will win significantly more games this season than last? no
do i feel the sixers are a 50 win team? no
do i feel the sixers are a serious threat to advance to the ecf? no

Look at the stats for those clippers teams, they were filled with tons of injuries.

JtBiV_BiRdZ
08-20-2008, 02:40 PM
This guy is just backwards.

I think you should stop :bang: You can hurt yourself like that.

att1114
08-20-2008, 02:41 PM
i really don't think the sixers overachieved last year...they not only were .500 team last year, but after the iverson trade 2 years ago, they finished the season 30-29...so basically the last 2 seasons, the sixers have been around a .500 team

now add brand to the mix, and you have a top 5 team in the east

dick butane
08-21-2008, 11:08 PM
the sixers were a running team last year with reggie evans starting at PF. Reggie is not a speedster by any means and we were still a running team. Second the sixers were a great defensive team i think they ranked 6th or 7th in the league in the points allowed per game Brand should only improve the D. third they were one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the league and one of te best rebounding overall Brand should also improve this.
Plus look who they added and let go this off season

Got:
Brand(All Star nuff said)
Rush- three point shooter
Ivey- Defensive stopper and has more offensive game then kevin ollie
Ratliff- a downgrade from smith and older but still a d- stopper and brings vet experience to a young team.
Speights: hes gonna be special in the future and will play a decent role this yr.

Lost:
Louis Amundson
Shavlick Randolph
kevin ollie
herber hill
Jason Smith ( a loss but he wasn't supposed to do a lot this yr anyway)

most of you have prob not even heard of the players we lossed other then smith

Brand is great but has missed the All-star team more than a few times.
Rush is inconsistent.
Ivey is unproven...He often puts in a good performance over small stretches then disappears for awhile.
Ratliff hasn't been much of a player for a few years...who is he really gonna stop?
Speights..... the book is out. No one is sure he'll be special.

On the other hand you are right. They didn't lose anything special.

29$JerZ
08-21-2008, 11:19 PM
76'ers are a 40 win team this up coming season. They don't suck and they only got better, but they caught fire after the all-star break, so tey can't be considered a top eastern team. Brand has to prove he can play a full season without blowing something up. I expect them to make the playoffs but anything higher than 5 is a stretch IMO.

mamba24
08-21-2008, 11:25 PM
makes sense to me.

lets turn in the season right now.

yes our team overachieved last season, in the sense that we made the playoffs, a feat NO ONE expected us to accomplish.

but it was no fluke like many people think.

we were 4-5 against detroit last season (including playoffs and regular season)

in the last month we finally meshed as a team and it worked, all without a TRUE star or low post presence of any kind.

In the final month of the season the sixers beat.....

Boston (away)
Phoenix (away)
Denver
Dallas
San Antonio
Detroit (twice)
Orlando
Toronto


once again, all without a post presence and without a bench.

they are also a very young team with rising talent in

Andre Iguodala
Lou Williams
Thaddeus Young
Marreese Speights

throw in a few more bench players and solid role players AND a 3 point specialist, and you have a pretty damn good team.


PG: Andre Miller/ Lou Williams/ Royal Ivey
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Willie Green
SF: Thaddeus Young (arguably our 2nd best player in the playoffs)/ Kareem Rush (3 point specialist)
PF: Elton Brand (our savior)/ Reggie Evans/ Marreese Speights
C: Samuel Dalembert/ Theo Ratliff/ Jason Smith

thats a pretty good lineup right there... and i think we can def improve to a 48+ win team this season if everyone stays healthy.

elton brand will spend most of the year hurt... when he isnt out he'll get you 20 and 10 but he isnt the type who i would go to in crunch time... i had season seats... trust me... consistent but he is the type that doesnt elevate his teammates to a higher level... he gets his and thats it... hes a great guy. very unselfish... just not a big motivator... 76ers wont be much better

mamba24
08-21-2008, 11:30 PM
^^^Elton is as slow or fat as you guys think. Keep doubting and hating. Brand is coming back in top form. And with a solid inside presence....Look not only for Iggy and Lou to light up...but that boy Rush when he is on...he can shoot with the the best. Time will takes it course...you'll see.

dude i live in la... elton brand never comes back in top form... he always tweaks or pulls somethin... and about rush being able to shoot well when he gets it going.... i can shoot really well when i get it going! anyone in the nba can shoot when they get it going!!!!! they aint gonna be that good this year...

nygiants242
08-21-2008, 11:43 PM
You. Are. Ridiculous.

Honestly, comparing Andre Miller of now to the one a few years ago? what the hell, same with the other players? such comparisons dont make sense at all

stop hating on the sixers, they will not dissapoint