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JordansBulls
08-14-2008, 10:30 AM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

phlp_bj
08-14-2008, 10:43 AM
Bosh
Brand
Jefferson
O'Neal
Gasol
Boozer
West

daleja424
08-14-2008, 10:45 AM
Bosh
Brand
Jefferson
West
Boozer
Gasol
O-Neal

ShaunRiching9
08-14-2008, 10:47 AM
Bosh
Boozer
Brand
O'neal
Gasol
Jefferson
West

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 10:54 AM
bosh
big AL
Brand
Jermain
Gasol
West <without CP3 he would be shyt
Boozer <without Deron he would be shyt

NYKnickFanatic
08-14-2008, 10:54 AM
David West IS an AllStar.

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 10:55 AM
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal
Pau Gasol
David West

UD5soul
08-14-2008, 10:55 AM
Elton Brand
Al Jefferson
Carlos Boozer
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Jermaine O'neal

NYKnickFanatic
08-14-2008, 10:56 AM
1)Elton Brand
2)Carlos Boozer
3)Chris Bosh
4)David West
5)Al Jefferson
6)Pau Gasol
7)Jermaine O'neal

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 10:56 AM
bosh
big AL
Brand
Jermain
Gasol
West <without CP3 he would be shyt
Boozer <without Deron he would be shyt



hmm seeing as he pretty much powns the NBA forum and you got what 200 posts i would shut the hell up. Yes Bosh is an All-Star and i dont think he is a borderline one either, but say it normal not being an idoit. If not your wont make it very far on psd.

SwaggaIke
08-14-2008, 10:56 AM
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
David West
Carlos Boozer
Pau Gasol
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'Neal

UD5soul
08-14-2008, 10:56 AM
O'Neal is washed, Bosh is over rated.....

IndiansFan337
08-14-2008, 11:08 AM
1. Elton Brand
2. Chris Bosh
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. Pau Gasol
6. Jermaine O'Neal
7. David West

homestarunner93
08-14-2008, 11:08 AM
Bosh
Brand
Boozer
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
West
O'neal

homestarunner93
08-14-2008, 11:10 AM
well looks like your another one. If you had half a brain you would realize i meant he wont make it far cause he will be banned for saying **** like that to ppl who dedicate alot mroe time to psd then he does.

If you get banned for saying that just because that person is a big figure on PSD, that's BS.

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 11:11 AM
If you get banned for saying that just because that person is a big figure on PSD, that's BS.

Not for what he said, but if he keeps saying **** like that and then it will prob turn into worse things and he will eventually get banned. Happens all the time. And i didnt mean it as diretly to Jordan Bulls i meant it as you dont say **** liek that to ppl who have done alot more for psd then he has.

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 11:12 AM
O'Neal is washed, Bosh is over rated.....

hmmm i take it you didnt watch the USA-Greece game today? :rolleyes:

NYstateofMinD
08-14-2008, 11:17 AM
1. Chris Bosh
2. AL Jefferson
3. Elton Brand
4. Carlos Boozer
5. Pau Gasol
6. Jermain O'Neal
7. David West

KOBE24=NBA#
08-14-2008, 11:19 AM
brand

bosh

gasol

boozer

west

jefferson

o'neal

JIDsanity
08-14-2008, 11:19 AM
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Al Jefferson
Carlos Boozer
David West
Jermaine O'neal
Pau Gasol

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 11:33 AM
hmm seeing as he pretty much powns the NBA forum and you got what 200 posts i would shut the hell up. Yes Bosh is an All-Star and i dont think he is a borderline one either, but say it normal not being an idoit. If not your wont make it very far on psd.

i think you should shut the hell up and stop talking shyt to people that are just saying their opinion and Bosh and West are all stars and Bosh is nowere near border line .. i think JordonsBulls needs to give the respect to Bosh that he deserves, and you dont need to threten to ban me from the site cuz im not causing trouble .. if anything you are the one that should get banned from PSD for using the word "pown" .. this isnt counter strick what are you 11 years old

Zefflin
08-14-2008, 11:51 AM
Bosh
Brand
Gasol
Jefferson
Boozer
O'Neal
West

AgentViet
08-14-2008, 11:56 AM
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
Al Jefferson
Carlos Boozer
David West
Pau Gasol
Jermaine O'Neal

midwestmadman
08-14-2008, 11:58 AM
hmm seeing as he pretty much powns the NBA forum and you got what 200 posts i would shut the hell up. Yes Bosh is an All-Star and i dont think he is a borderline one either, but say it normal not being an idoit. If not your wont make it very far on psd.

Uh so what is up your *** today? If someone has an opinion they have an opinion and that is what these forums are for you know. What the hell difference does it make how many posts someone has to me all that means is that they really need to get out of thier mothers basement, get a job and maybe try talking to a girl for once.

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 12:26 PM
i think you should shut the hell up and stop talking shyt to people that are just saying their opinion and Bosh and West are all stars and Bosh is nowere near border line .. i think JordonsBulls needs to give the respect to Bosh that he deserves, and you dont need to threten to ban me from the site cuz im not causing trouble .. if anything you are the one that should get banned from PSD for using the word "pown" .. this isnt counter strick what are you 11 years old

How about next time you do it without calling him an idoit and dumbass and other things? Im all for giving your opinion and as i said i support it to that Bosh is a definate All-star not borderline. All i am saying is dont tell ppl off in your argument.

bball1217
08-14-2008, 12:26 PM
1. Bosh (3 time all-star - last 3 years)
2. West (1 time all-star - last year)
3. Boozer (2 time all-star - last 2 years)
4. O'Neal (6 time all-star - '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 and '07) - injuries
5. Brand (2 time all-star - '02 and '06) - injuries
6. Gasol (1 time all-star - '06)
7. Jefferson (no all-star games - all-star player on the rise) - young, potential

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 12:27 PM
Uh so what is up your *** today? If someone has an opinion they have an opinion and that is what these forums are for you know. What the hell difference does it make how many posts someone has to me all that means is that they really need to get out of thier mothers basement, get a job and maybe try talking to a girl for once.

Not a thing actually. Read the above post.

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 12:28 PM
i think you should shut the hell up and stop talking shyt to people that are just saying their opinion and Bosh and West are all stars and Bosh is nowere near border line .. i think JordonsBulls needs to give the respect to Bosh that he deserves, and you dont need to threten to ban me from the site cuz im not causing trouble .. if anything you are the one that should get banned from PSD for using the word "pown" .. this isnt counter strick what are you 11 years old

Actually im 19 but good try. Time to grow up a little maybe? And i didnt threaten to ban you?? All i said was if you tell people your opinion the way you did you will eventually get banned by a mod?

Ballahaulic
08-14-2008, 12:34 PM
3.Carlos Boozer
4.Elton Brand
1.Chris Bosh
5.Pau Gasol
6.David West
2.Al Jefferson
7.Jermaine O'neal

superkegger
08-14-2008, 12:37 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?
Borderline allstar? All but Al Jeff has been on the all star team...

If we're talking completely healthy...
1. Brand
2. Bosh
3. JO
4. Al Jeff
5. Pau
6. Boozer
7. West

kurtismurray
08-14-2008, 12:48 PM
bosh
big AL
Brand
Jermain
Gasol
West <without CP3 he would be shyt
Boozer <without Deron he would be shyt

hahaha. You can't be serious right? Boozer and West are both all-stars. They don't need a a PG to help them. Thats just cheating em out.

Bosh
Boozer
West
Al
Gasol
O'Neal (always injured and still not as good as new generation)

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 12:51 PM
hahaha. You can't be serious right? Boozer and West are both all-stars. They don't need a a PG to help them. Thats just cheating em out.

Bosh
Boozer
West
Al
Gasol
O'Neal (always injured and still not as good as new generation)

I think playing with 2 of the best young guards has helped them elevate their games, i mean they needs to work less hard .. and they are being used to full potential ... im just saying life is easier when cp3 or deron is running your club, but im not taking anything from them, both amazing forwards

Ph1lly Diehard
08-14-2008, 12:53 PM
1. Elton Brand
2. Chris Bosh
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. Pau Gasol
6. Jermaine O'Neal
7. David West

Best list so far.

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 12:54 PM
Actually im 19 but good try. Time to grow up a little maybe? And i didnt threaten to ban you?? All i said was if you tell people your opinion the way you did you will eventually get banned by a mod?

keep your nose out of other peoples business, if he didnt want me to call him an idiot he can reply to me ... but anyone who thinks bosh is borderline all star is an idiot and im glad u suppost me in that but i just dont u need to tell me to shut the hell up cuz it makes u look like an idiot .. its just a thread .. its not anything personal .. so you need to put your p*nis back in your pants and stop getting so offended by whatever anyone says

Rockets Fanatic
08-14-2008, 12:54 PM
Bosh
Boozer
Brand
Jefferson
Gasol
West
O'Neal

Seventh King
08-14-2008, 12:56 PM
1)Elton Brand
2)Carlos Boozer
3)Chris Bosh
4)David West
5)Al Jefferson
6)Pau Gasol
7)Jermaine O'neal

I gotta agree with your list/order; with the exception of having Jefferson at four and West at five.

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 12:56 PM
Uh so what is up your *** today? If someone has an opinion they have an opinion and that is what these forums are for you know. What the hell difference does it make how many posts someone has to me all that means is that they really need to get out of thier mothers basement, get a job and maybe try talking to a girl for once.

hahaha im all for this post, midwest u know what is good, this is just a sports forum... people are suposto defend the players they root for and noone should be offended by a computer screen

superkegger
08-14-2008, 12:57 PM
I think playing with 2 of the best young guards has helped them elevate their games, i mean they needs to work less hard .. and they are being used to full potential ... im just saying life is easier when cp3 or deron is running your club, but im not taking anything from them, both amazing forwards

I somewhat agree. People go too far sometimes in saying the West and Boozer are creations of CP3 and Deron respectively. They're both great forwards no doubt. But they both definetly benefit a lot from systems and pg's that serve to exploit their strengths. That's not a knock on them at all, that's just how it is.

Seventh King
08-14-2008, 12:58 PM
keep your nose out of other peoples business, if he didnt want me to call him an idiot he can reply to me ... but anyone who thinks bosh is borderline all star is an idiot and im glad u suppost me in that but i just dont u need to tell me to shut the hell up cuz it makes u look like an idiot .. its just a thread .. its not anything personal .. so you need to put your p*nis back in your pants and stop getting so offended by whatever anyone says

You've made your point . . .now it should be you who quiets down.
This threatening/baiting/ verbally abusive stuff takes away from the post.
Chill out.

rick66ankiel24
08-14-2008, 12:58 PM
Carlos Boozer
Chrish Bosh
Al Jefferson
Elton Brand
David West
Pau Gasol
Jermaine O'neal

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 01:05 PM
I think bosh is better then brand
ELTON BRAND
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 17.6
RPG 8.0
APG 2.0
SPG 0.4
BPG 1.9
FG% 0.456
FT% 0.787
3P% 0.000
MPG 34.3

CHRIS BOSH
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 22.3
RPG 8.7
APG 2.6
SPG 0.9
BPG 1.0
FG% 0.494
FT% 0.844
3P% 0.400
MPG 36.2

superkegger
08-14-2008, 01:07 PM
I think bosh is better then brand
ELTON BRAND
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 17.6
RPG 8.0
APG 2.0
SPG 0.4
BPG 1.9
FG% 0.456
FT% 0.787
3P% 0.000
MPG 34.3

CHRIS BOSH
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 22.3
RPG 8.7
APG 2.6
SPG 0.9
BPG 1.0
FG% 0.494
FT% 0.844
3P% 0.400
MPG 36.2

Were you really going to over look that brand played 8 games?

Brand missed almost the entire year, those last games where just to show he was infact healthy. Or do you not follow basketball?

Goon.Weezy
08-14-2008, 01:21 PM
1.bosh
2.gasol
3.jefferson
4.boozer
5.o'neal
6.brand
7.west

Hawkeye15
08-14-2008, 01:23 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

For the upcoming season,

West
Jefferson
Bosh
Brand
Boozer
Gasol
O'Neal

West is already awesome, Jefferson will improve on 21/11, and Bosh will have to split stats with JO, so his numbers may go down. Brand needs to show he is totally healthy, and fits in to whatever Philly runs, but he could potentially be the best on the list in all reality

Hawkeye15
08-14-2008, 01:25 PM
1. Bosh (3 time all-star - last 3 years)
2. West (1 time all-star - last year)
3. Boozer (2 time all-star - last 2 years)
4. O'Neal (6 time all-star - '02, '03, '04, '05, '06 and '07) - injuries
5. Brand (2 time all-star - '02 and '06) - injuries
6. Gasol (1 time all-star - '06)
7. Jefferson (no all-star games - all-star player on the rise) - young, potential

this is a poll for who is the best currently, correct? Past accomplishments don't matter. O'Neal is by no means better than Big Al. Neither is Pau Gasol, and I don't think Boozer is either.

Z-ray21
08-14-2008, 01:28 PM
bosh
big AL
Brand
Jermain
Gasol
West <without CP3 he would be shyt
Boozer <without Deron he would be shyt


I AGREE WITH YOU BUT OVER THE LAST 3 SEASONS PAU HAS BEEN BETTER THAT JO

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 01:32 PM
keep your nose out of other peoples business, if he didnt want me to call him an idiot he can reply to me ... but anyone who thinks bosh is borderline all star is an idiot and im glad u suppost me in that but i just dont u need to tell me to shut the hell up cuz it makes u look like an idiot .. its just a thread .. its not anything personal .. so you need to put your p*nis back in your pants and stop getting so offended by whatever anyone says

The only reason i did respond was cause your a Toronto sports fan and i dont want us to have a bad rep like for say some other teams do? All i was saying was not to be so rude with how you disagreed. If you want to be immature and make post like the one i quoted im pretty sure im not the one who looks like an idoit.

The83rdWonder
08-14-2008, 01:32 PM
Based on age/potential/injury problems:

Bosh
Jefferson
Brand
Gasol
Boozer
West
O'neal

Dirty Dirk41
08-14-2008, 01:33 PM
1. Chris Bosh
2. Elton Brand
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. Pau Gasol
6. David West
7. Jermaine O'Neal

KnicksorBust
08-14-2008, 01:33 PM
Going into this year I'll take Elton Brand all day. The man can throw up 20-10-2 and impact a game on both sides of the ball.

Then Al Jefferson is on the verge of that level as well.

Tough ranking the others. I really hate O'neals injury problems as well as Boozer's tendency to disappear in the playoffs this year. West and Gasol should be solid for many years to come on their respective teams.

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 01:33 PM
I AGREE WITH YOU BUT OVER THE LAST 3 SEASONS PAU HAS BEEN BETTER THAT JO

okay fine ill give you that .. lately Pau is better then JO, BUT at the end of next season your mind will change ..JO is a better player but has just had his troubles last couple of years

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 01:35 PM
Were you really going to over look that brand played 8 games?

Brand missed almost the entire year, those last games where just to show he was infact healthy. Or do you not follow basketball?

I did see that, however i still think the numbers are a great indication of the level of the players .. but would you like me to post career stats?

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 01:37 PM
The only reason i did respond was cause your a Toronto sports fan and i dont want us to have a bad rep like for say some other teams do? All i was saying was not to be so rude with how you disagreed. If you want to be immature and make post like the one i quoted im pretty sure im not the one who looks like an idoit.

fine

BALLER71
08-14-2008, 01:39 PM
Brand
Bosh
Jefferson
West
Boozer
Gasol
O-Neal

Gmen824
08-14-2008, 01:41 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Al Jefferson
Elton Brand
Carlos Boozer
David West

thats imo.
Jermaine O'neal

superkegger
08-14-2008, 01:42 PM
I did see that, however i still think the numbers are a great indication of the level of the players .. but would you like me to post career stats?

I don't care what you post, unless its misleading. That's like posting JO's first 4 years of stats and saying he's no good.

And if you're going to delve into career stats, it definetly shows Brand as a better player.

Brand 20.3 ppg 10.2 rpg 2.7 apg 2.1 bpg 50.5 fg %
Bosh 18.9 ppg 9.0 rpg 2.1 apg 1.3 bpg 48.7 fg %

Hawkeye15
08-14-2008, 01:48 PM
I don't care what you post, unless its misleading. That's like posting JO's first 4 years of stats and saying he's no good.

And if you're going to delve into career stats, it definetly shows Brand as a better player.

Brand 20.3 ppg 10.2 rpg 2.7 apg 2.1 bpg 50.5 fg %
Bosh 18.9 ppg 9.0 rpg 2.1 apg 1.3 bpg 48.7 fg %

True, but Bosh came in out of high school, so you would expect him to take longer. If you take their stats since age 21, Brand's rookie year, Bosh is more like:
22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.2 bpg, 49.9% fg, so they are basically equal

Ballahaulic
08-14-2008, 01:51 PM
how can u think bosh is overated he can post and perimeter shoot.

Ph1lly Diehard
08-14-2008, 01:51 PM
I did see that, however i still think the numbers are a great indication of the level of the players .. but would you like me to post career stats?

Don't bother, here they are.

Elton Brand:

20.3 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.1 bpg

Chris Bosh:

18.9 ppg, 9 rpg, 1.2 bpg

Elton is putting up 1.5 more points then Bosh, over 1 rebound more, and over 1 block a game more.

This isn't even including the way higher competition Elton Brand has to put up with night in and night out.

Don't even compare the Eastern Conference talent with the Western conference at the PF position either, Western is dominated by PF's.

superkegger
08-14-2008, 01:52 PM
True, but Bosh came in out of high school, so you would expect him to take longer. If you take their stats since age 21, Brand's rookie year, Bosh is more like:
22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.2 bpg, 49.9% fg, so they are basically equal

Bosh didn't come out of high school. And I'm not saying hands down brand is better. But when you say bosh is better and showt eh 07-08 stats, thats just incredibly misleading.

But if we're going to pull out stats etc...Bosh has never been out of the first round, while Brand was has, and was damn close to going to the WCF a few years back...

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 02:00 PM
True, but Bosh came in out of high school, so you would expect him to take longer. If you take their stats since age 21, Brand's rookie year, Bosh is more like:
22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.2 bpg, 49.9% fg, so they are basically equal

since when is Virginia Tech a high school ?

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 02:01 PM
Brand had a better supporting cast. I think there is no wrong with either Brand or Bosh. The main reason i took Bosh tho was how he has not had a career threating injury like Brands leg has had. If Brand comes back like he was and Bosh keeps progressing they are in a neck and neck race right behind TD,and KG in the best PF rankings

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 02:02 PM
It was actually Gerogia Tech that Bosh came out of. But ya had the right idea Rapsfan4life.

superkegger
08-14-2008, 02:06 PM
since when is Virginia Tech a high school ?


It was actually Gerogia Tech that Bosh came out of. But ya had the right idea Rapsfan4life.

Yeah. It was only 1 year at Georgia Tech, but he definetly went there.

And I'm not saying that its hands down brand over bosh. I just feel all around, Brand brings more to the table, regardless of his injury.

Lone Maverick
08-14-2008, 02:08 PM
1. Elton Brand
2. Chris Bosh
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. Pau Gasoft
6. David West
7. Jermaine O'Neal

nickymintz
08-14-2008, 02:10 PM
Carlos Boozer
Chris Bosh
David West
Al Jefferson
Elton Brand
Pau Gasol
Jermaine O'neal

Arodhr
08-14-2008, 02:20 PM
Carlos Boozer-2
Elton Brand-4
Chris Bosh-1
Pau Gasol-5
David West-6
Al Jefferson-3
Jermaine O'neal-7

Mile High Champ
08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
O'Neal is washed, Bosh is over rated.....

I think its best if you watch football and dont comment on basketball at all. How is Bosh overated, back to the bengals board you go...

RapsFan4Life
08-14-2008, 02:29 PM
Yeah. It was only 1 year at Georgia Tech, but he definetly went there.

And I'm not saying that its hands down brand over bosh. I just feel all around, Brand brings more to the table, regardless of his injury.

ma bad all the tech's are the same too me

im not going to argue if you are going to put any PF's infront of bosh ... i dont mind it Brand he is a good baller... i dont agree with you but its better then u saying Boozer is better then bosh, cuz then we got a problem

MoJay
08-14-2008, 02:41 PM
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'neal
Pau Gasol
Carlos Boozer
David West
Al Jefferson


jefferson and west both had one good season it will take more

DQL
08-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Bosh
Brand
Boozer
Jefferson
West
Gasol
O'neal

oldenpolynice
08-14-2008, 02:52 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

Off the top of my head...

West
Bosh
Gasol
Brand
Jefferson
Boozer
O'Neal (until he proves otherwise)

L@ker4Life
08-14-2008, 02:56 PM
My opinions are based on last years performance by each player.

Gasol
Jefferson
Bosh
Boozer
West
O'neal
Brand

Based on Carrers it would look like

Gasol/Brand
O'neal/Bosh
Boozer
West
Jefferson

Gasol/Brand and O'neal/Bosh are so close that I couldn't decide.

Ph1lly Diehard
08-14-2008, 03:02 PM
My opinions are based on last years performance by each player.

Gasol
Jefferson
Bosh
Boozer
West
O'neal
Brand

Based on Carrers it would look like

Gasol/Brand
O'neal/Bosh
Boozer
West
Jefferson

Gasol/Brand and O'neal/Bosh are so close that I couldn't decide.

Thing is, there are only 2 players on this list in my opinion that can really dominate and take the game over in there position, and them two are:

Elton Brand
Chris Bosh

Boozer dissapears in the playoffs, and Gasol did too. Jefferson has yet to show anything in the playoffs and has yet to show his true domination in this league, and same with West.

O'Neal has been battling injuries the last 2-3 years or so so I really don't know how he's going to be doing, he could be as high as #3 behind Brand and Bosh too.

IversonIsKrazy
08-14-2008, 03:02 PM
1. CB4
2. Brand
3. AL-J
4. D. West
5. Booze
6. Pau
7. JO

mitch91
08-14-2008, 03:07 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?


bosh
brand
boozer
jefferson
gasol
west
oneal

personally i think bosh is an all star not a borderline allstar

Catfish1314
08-14-2008, 03:09 PM
1. Elton Brand (best defender of the bunch by far)
2. Chris Bosh
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. David West
6. Pau Gasol
7. Jermaine O'Neal

L@ker4Life
08-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Thing is, there are only 2 players on this list in my opinion that can really dominate and take the game over in there position, and them two are:

Elton Brand
Chris Bosh

Boozer dissapears in the playoffs, and Gasol did too. Jefferson has yet to show anything in the playoffs and has yet to show his true domination in this league, and same with West.

O'Neal has been battling injuries the last 2-3 years or so so I really don't know how he's going to be doing, he could be as high as #3 behind Brand and Bosh too.


I agree with your opinion of Boozer...O'neal has been so injury prone lately that I couldnt put him anywhere near the top.

Brand has had really no playoff experience so can't really rate him at the top either.

Gasol did not play GREAT in the later rounds of the playoffs but he played great in the first three rounds shutting down Boozer and Duncan. Lakers would have never made it to the WCF let alone the finals without Gasol. He just scored 29 against yao in the olympics while holding Yao to only 11 points. Bosh isnt all that impresive to me.....I haven't really had a chance to watch him play unless the raps and Lakers play but I have been watching him in the Olympics and haven't been TOO impressed. Deffinately a very good player but I wouldnt put him as one of the best big men in the NBA.

I have seen all of these guys match up with Gasol and I haven't seen any of these guys have their way with him....I personnaly love what Brand brings to the table as far as his proffesionalism and dedication but until he has to prove that he is one of the best big men in the playoffs where it counts.

scrumptiousduck
08-14-2008, 03:14 PM
bosh the best no question only 25 and is just destroying
brand in his prime right now and is a dominant big man
al jeff 21 and 11 ill take it
pau gasol im a laker fan and well he is proven with and without kobe
boozer good but you cant be be top when you have deron okur and ak47 on ur side
West didnt do anything until CP3 came
ONiel old and injury prone but best career out of everyone so far

Hellcrooner
08-14-2008, 03:28 PM
GASOL
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
Carlos Boozer
Al Jefferson
David West
JO

torontosports10
08-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Gasol at number 1 is a joke

Hawkeye15
08-14-2008, 03:46 PM
since when is Virginia Tech a high school ?

my bad, he did play a year at G Tech. But he was still younger, so you can't count that first year against him.

Jay22Redd
08-14-2008, 03:52 PM
(1)Elton Brand
(2)Chris Bosh
(3)David West
(4)Al Jefferson
(5)Jermaine O'neal
(6)Pau Gasol
(7)Carlos Boozer (started fallin off last year)

Hawkeye15
08-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Bosh didn't come out of high school. And I'm not saying hands down brand is better. But when you say bosh is better and showt eh 07-08 stats, thats just incredibly misleading.

But if we're going to pull out stats etc...Bosh has never been out of the first round, while Brand was has, and was damn close to going to the WCF a few years back...

I showed all stats, didn't I? Brands stats from this year are useless, he barely played. Look, I would take Brand ahead of Bosh if he shows he is 100% recovered from injury, because he is a better rebounder, and a better defender. But Bosh is a better scorer I think, and is younger and more durable. Playoff stats are great, but you always have to look at what surrounds that player. Brand made it once. Bosh made it to the playoffs twice, Brand once. Brand had a good team around him that one year, and they moved on. Bosh has yet to do that, sure. They had Magette, Cassell, Kaman, Radmonovich, and Mobley all in double figures as well. Toronto second best player that year was Mike James, eeeeeck, and TJ Ford the next.

marella1229
08-14-2008, 04:06 PM
they're different types of players..but I'd go...
1. Bosh
2. Brand
3. Jefferson
4. Boozer
5. O'Neal
6. Gasol
7. West

SeoulBeatz
08-14-2008, 04:16 PM
1) Bosh: So young, and so good. Has great finesse moves and has added bulk, really no flaws to his game.
2) Brand: Still in his prime, had a rough injury last year, but came back and averaged 18 and 8 in limited minutes. He should be back to his 20-10-2 self in no time.
3) West: Vastly underrated, allstar for a reason. Has potent offensive game and can play inside and out.
4) Jefferson: Great potential. 19-9 guy. Gifted offensively, but needs to improve his defense in order to move up, his defense is subpar right now.
5) Boozer: Fell off last year a little bit. Needs to show up during the playoffs. (like brand in 06 when he took Phoenix to 7 games in 2nd round)
6) O'Neal: Oft-Injured, but when healthy, he's still got it. A solid player with good overall game, post defense is questionable though.
7) Gasol: One word..."Soft". He looked like a below average big man in the playoffs last year. missing layups, freethrows, and jsut getting pushed around in the post. You cant be soft in this league, and Gasol is, nuff siad.

KeithLBC
08-14-2008, 04:23 PM
Gasol at number 1 is a joke

Agreed, and that's coming from a Lakers fan. IMO, if you ranked Gasol at #1 on the list, you are a homer.

here's my opinion of the list...


1. Brand
2. Bosh
3. Gasol
4. Jefferson
5. Boozer
6. West
7. O'Neal

SwaggaIke
08-14-2008, 08:10 PM
I hate when people say David West didn't do **** before Paul. Like he played a whole career before Paul got there. I laugh because it shows their obvious lack of knowledge. West only played 13 mpg his rookie year. In his second year he only played in 30 games. His first year being healthy and receiving playing time just happened to coincide w/ Paul's rookie season. How can his performance be based off Chris Paul? Would he not have a smooth mid range game if Paul wasn't in N.O? Would he not be a mismatch every night for opposing defenders in the isolation if Paul wasn't in N.O? I can see if he was the recipient of countless oops from Paul, but West creates his own offense. Anybody who's watched N.O would know that.

bballer89
08-14-2008, 08:35 PM
1. Brand
2. Bosh
3. Boozer
4. West
5. Gasol
6. Jefferson
7. O'Neal

Boozer disappeared in the playoffs for one year, the year before he was a beast. He had a bad showing and if this is recurring this year than i will be more reluctant to agree...

argo
08-14-2008, 10:30 PM
gasol
bosh
oneal
brand
boozer
jefferson
west

lakers4sho
08-14-2008, 11:49 PM
GASOL
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
Carlos Boozer
Al Jefferson
David West
JO

:laugh2:

MiamiHeatWade33
08-14-2008, 11:57 PM
Chris bosh
Carlos boozer
Elton Brand
Jermaine Oneal
AL Jefferson
Pau gasol
David west


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SeoulBeatz
08-15-2008, 12:02 AM
gasol
bosh
oneal
brand
boozer
jefferson
west

wow. probably the worst list on here.

BillyHoyle35
08-15-2008, 12:14 AM
Jefferson
Bosh
Brand
West
Boozer
Gasol
O'Neal

yaowowrocket11
08-15-2008, 12:24 AM
Brand
Jefferson
Bosh
West
Gasol
Boozer
O'Neal

superkegger
08-15-2008, 12:29 AM
my bad, he did play a year at G Tech. But he was still younger, so you can't count that first year against him.

I understand why you say that, but everyone has a rookie year. I don't count it against him, its just part of what his career stats are.

Chaudhry
08-15-2008, 12:44 AM
Bosh- very versatile... can shoot upto and including the 3... good D... borderline superstar in my opinion

Boozer- don't like his game but he puts up stats

Brand - if he wasn't injured he'd be first

Gasol- i like his game... he's long and knows how to use that to his advantage

Jefferson- only one good year puts him lower then the rest put really good year puts him here

West- i dunno why but i don't like his game at all... i really can't explain why... i just don't like his game...

O'Neal- one of my favorite players but injured for too long and the whole fight thing puts a dent in his already thin legacy

Ph1lly Diehard
08-15-2008, 12:56 AM
Bosh- very versatile... can shoot upto and including the 3... good D... borderline superstar in my opinion

Boozer- don't like his game but he puts up stats

Brand - if he wasn't injured he'd be first

Gasol- i like his game... he's long and knows how to use that to his advantage

Jefferson- only one good year puts him lower then the rest put really good year puts him here

West- i dunno why but i don't like his game at all... i really can't explain why... i just don't like his game...

O'Neal- one of my favorite players but injured for too long and the whole fight thing puts a dent in his already thin legacy

He played the last 8 games of the season, meaning, he isn't injured anymore, and he's played after his injury.

He had one major injury in his career, that was last years, it's behind him.

Dirty Dirk41
08-15-2008, 12:58 AM
He played the last 8 games of the season, meaning, he isn't injured anymore, and he's played after his injury.

He had one major injury in his career, that was last years, it's behind him.

You hope so.

I like Brand. Hes going to be a BEAST for you guys.

LakerzDQ
08-15-2008, 01:00 AM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

1. Chris Bosh, very skilled, and he still can improve, and very young. very good player.
2. Carlos Boozer, very strong, good rebounder, can really play in the post. got a sick fadeaway too.
3. Elton Brand, very good rebounder, good defender, tough, but I put him a bit lower because of injuries.
4. Al Jefferson, very young, very polished post moves. need to keep improving though.
5. Pau Gasol, great passer, pretty versatile, a bit soft so he gets minus points.
6. Jermaine O'neal, used to be very good, but injuries put him low.
7. David West good player, but needs to improve in low post moves. he's a bit small.

this is my list. Boozer and Brand were close, and JO and West were close as well.

Ph1lly Diehard
08-15-2008, 01:15 AM
You hope so.

I like Brand. Hes going to be a BEAST for you guys.

I do hope so.

If he can put up 20 2 10 type numbers then we will be a #3 seed in the East, no question in my mind.

laker1000
08-15-2008, 01:33 AM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

1. Chris Bosh
2. Pau Gasol
3. Al Jefferson
4. Carlos Boozer
5. Elton Brand
6. David West
7. Jermaine O'neal

BRADfromOZ
08-15-2008, 01:57 AM
1. Chris Bosh
2. David West
3. Pau Gasol
4. Elton Brand
5. Carlos Boozer
6. Al Jefferson
7. Jermaine O'Neal

rico
08-15-2008, 02:07 AM
Brand
Jefferson
Bosh
Gasol
Boozer
West
O-Neal

Chaudhry
08-15-2008, 12:31 PM
He played the last 8 games of the season, meaning, he isn't injured anymore, and he's played after his injury.

He had one major injury in his career, that was last years, it's behind him.

i meant in the past... he only played 8 games last season... not enough to rank him higher then boozer and bosh...

JordansBulls
08-15-2008, 12:32 PM
I'm surprised to see many put Brand first.

x_notorious
08-15-2008, 12:34 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

1. Chris Bosh
2. Elton Brand
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Al Jefferson
5. Pau Gasol
6. David West
7. Jermaine O'Neal

JJ81
08-15-2008, 12:38 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

Pau Gasol
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Al Jefferson
Elton Brand
David West
Jermaine O'neal

BenFrank
08-15-2008, 12:50 PM
How would you rank these Big Men in Order (Best to Worst)



Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
David West
Al Jefferson
Jermaine O'neal


Each guy is a borderline allstar, how would you rank them in order?

Chris Bosh (2008 all-star)
Pau Gasol
David West (2008 all-star)
Al Jefferson
Elton Brand
Jermaine O'neal
Carlos Boozer ( over-rated ) he suck's in the USA game's

Dol-Fan
08-15-2008, 03:20 PM
Bosh
Gasol
Brand
Boozer
West
Jefferson
O'Neal

not sure how Bosh is a borderline all-star? hasn't he been in the last 3 all star games? starting in two of them? same with Brand, although he was injured last year so i understand his inclusion.