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arkanian215
08-11-2008, 12:28 PM
Answers will be anonymous to prevent pedophile stalking and such. Just wanted to get a gist of the demographic make up of psd, or at least those who care about '08.

DenButsu
08-11-2008, 10:54 PM
****. That sucks.

I turned 36 earlier this year, so now I'm in the "36-45" age group?

WTF?!?


Anyways, I'm a bleeding heart, socialist/communist/leftist/Marxist/anarchist, tax-and-spend liberal.


If you ask Rush or Fox News, that is. :smoking:


Here in the real world, I'm a Democrat. (Although I have also been variably independent and a member of the Green Party as well).

SmthBluCitrus
08-11-2008, 11:14 PM
28/d

Mane
08-11-2008, 11:17 PM
18, unaffiliated. Though i will vote for Obama, and am a pretty strong supporter of him.

gcoll
08-11-2008, 11:20 PM
21, Republican.....because I hate the poor.

brandonwarne52
08-11-2008, 11:27 PM
22. Very Conservative.

BG7
08-11-2008, 11:35 PM
18. I voted Democrat since I can't support the trash that is the Republican party right now. I'd call myself a Libertarian, social conservative.

Sabres39
08-11-2008, 11:40 PM
17/I am Democrat, but not officially registered as one

OnWisconsin2007
08-11-2008, 11:42 PM
18/d

FearAD
08-12-2008, 08:01 AM
21, Republican.....because I hate the poor.

Sad.

yaowowrocket11
08-12-2008, 12:08 PM
23-28

Democratic

DenButsu
08-12-2008, 12:14 PM
Sad.

Just in case you weren't aware of it... I'll stick up for ol' gcoll on this one.

He's joking.



I, on the other hand, wasn't joking about being a communist/socialist/anarchist/Marxist. I really am that. :cool:

b1e9a8r5s
08-12-2008, 12:41 PM
26 Republican and this might shock some of you, but I'm not rich or privlaged (unfortunately)

LayZbone
08-12-2008, 08:41 PM
19. democratic. forgot to pick the party affiliation in the poll though lol.

The Schmooze
08-12-2008, 08:48 PM
25

Whig

but seriously...independant

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
08-12-2008, 08:52 PM
18 for Republican because there are a lot of hard working wealthy people who shouldn't be taxed more for people who sit on there butt not even trying to find a job.

koldjerky
08-12-2008, 08:53 PM
26 Republican and this might shock some of you, but I'm not rich or privlaged (unfortunately)

Ditto, except I'm a registered independent and 22.

quiksilver2491
08-12-2008, 08:57 PM
18 for Republican because there are a lot of hard working wealthy people who shouldn't be taxed more for people who sit on there butt not even trying to find a job.

Well your post can take the place of mine because you wrote EXACTLY what I would have :D

Devils Pride 26
08-12-2008, 08:57 PM
17, Republican

ripjhb18
08-12-2008, 08:59 PM
18 and registered Republican and pretty Conservative but that doesnt mean ill vote party line in this election

letsgorangers27
08-12-2008, 09:04 PM
18 republican

ari1013
08-12-2008, 09:35 PM
27 and currently a Democrat

AllTheWay
08-12-2008, 10:24 PM
16. Democrat. Although i'm not entirely for change. Some old things have worked, but some things also need serious revamping.

arkanian215
08-13-2008, 03:22 PM
18 republican

are you going to college? if so are you gonna join the young republicans? also if you dont realize, theres a ton of democrats on campuses these days. i would guess around 75% of professors are democrats or hold "democrat" ideals.

arkanian215
08-13-2008, 03:23 PM
18 and registered Republican and pretty Conservative but that doesnt mean ill vote party line in this election

same question goes for you. look below.

Lady's Man
08-13-2008, 04:48 PM
17, libertarian

WES445
08-13-2008, 06:39 PM
Democrat but, thinking about joining the throw the bums out party. 53, so I'm old enough to remember the greatness this country had and what it could have been. This country is going down the drain and I find it silly not to tax the wealthiest to prevent this. Last in education, second-rated super power, drug hazed culture and no industrial base, but thank God we didn't taxed the rich, give me a break.

ripjhb18
08-13-2008, 07:25 PM
same question goes for you. look below.

ya im going to college and actually majoring in Political Science and I know how democratic it is there

Lady's Man
08-13-2008, 08:13 PM
Democrat but, thinking about joining the throw the bums out party. 53, so I'm old enough to remember the greatness this country had and what it could have been. This country is going down the drain and I find it silly not to tax the wealthiest to prevent this. Last in education, second-rated super power, drug hazed culture and no industrial base, but thank God we didn't taxed the rich, give me a break.

have u ever heard of an incremental income tax? rich people buy expensive things and so they pay more sales tax as well. rich people also invest and pay capital gains tax as well. rich people also provide jobs and stimulate the economy. So im pretty sure rich people pay a **** load of tax...

education can only be fixed in the student's mindset can be changed. I can give you a book, but if you dont read it, what good does it do.

what does second-rated superpower mean?

no industrial base? what does that mean?

Soop
08-13-2008, 09:37 PM
32 and I'm an outlaw.

RedSoxRok34
08-13-2008, 10:42 PM
22 years old

registered independent because i hate what partisan politics has done to america

SmthBluCitrus
08-13-2008, 10:53 PM
I think it could be argued that, for the most part, politics have always been partisan in this country.

From the Federalists and the Anti-Federalist at the birth of the country ...
The Emancipationists against the pro slave south in the mid 1860's ...
Isolationists against the pro Germans against the pro English pre WWI/II ...
Segregationists and the Desegregationists during Civil Rights ...

And those are just key times. There's a whole 200+ years of partisan politics.

DenButsu
08-13-2008, 11:23 PM
Democrat 19 38.78%
Republican 16 32.65%
Other 2 4.08%
Unaffiliated 7 14.29%

Good to see that overall we have a fairly even mix in here.

Doc Fluty
08-14-2008, 01:17 AM
yes but VERY young.. we almost look like the Kansas City Chiefs in here lol..

WES445
08-14-2008, 06:19 AM
have u ever heard of an incremental income tax? rich people buy expensive things and so they pay more sales tax as well. rich people also invest and pay capital gains tax as well. rich people also provide jobs and stimulate the economy. So im pretty sure rich people pay a **** load of tax...

education can only be fixed in the student's mindset can be changed. I can give you a book, but if you dont read it, what good does it do.

what does second-rated superpower mean?

no industrial base? what does that mean?

It isn't a matter of what the rich have done or whatever about a book. It's a matter of are they going to step up and paid higher taxes to cover the various things that keep a nation going from defense to road and sewage repair. As prices goes up, the cost of maintaining this country does to. This isn't a new idea, raising taxes on the rich, it was done during major wars. Hell, it was consider your duty to reach deep into your pocket and help your country in need. If you are willing to die for this country, paiding more taxes shouldn't be a burden. Do we really want to go deeper in debt to communist China, then raise taxes on those who benefit the most in this country? Paris Hilton will not die because of it.
We owe China billions of dollars and they produce damn near everything we consume. Are we more powerful than them? Who in this type of relationship have more influence? In growth and manufacturing, they are higher up in the superpower game. Industrial base is important in winning wars. It is the building block of a strong economy for it's CEOs and workers. It creates a strong and large tax base by spreading the wealth around. Spreading the wealth creates stronger families and neighborhoods. Ours is going down fast.

LAcowBOMBER
08-14-2008, 06:56 AM
21, Republican.....because I hate the poor.

Haha, that's always my reasoning too.

theuuord
08-14-2008, 02:42 PM
19 and a free thinker.

I hate the idea of lining up along party lines.

Eastside Scott
08-14-2008, 03:13 PM
It isn't a matter of what the rich have done or whatever about a book. It's a matter of are they going to step up and paid higher taxes to cover the various things that keep a nation going from defense to road and sewage repair. As prices goes up, the cost of maintaining this country does to. This isn't a new idea, raising taxes on the rich, it was done during major wars. Hell, it was consider your duty to reach deep into your pocket and help your country in need. If you are willing to die for this country, paiding more taxes shouldn't be a burden. Do we really want to go deeper in debt to communist China, then raise taxes on those who benefit the most in this country? Paris Hilton will not die because of it.
We owe China billions of dollars and they produce damn near everything we consume. Are we more powerful than them? Who in this type of relationship have more influence? In growth and manufacturing, they are higher up in the superpower game. Industrial base is important in winning wars. It is the building block of a strong economy for it's CEOs and workers. It creates a strong and large tax base by spreading the wealth around. Spreading the wealth creates stronger families and neighborhoods. Ours is going down fast.

I may be a little confused here, but why did you include the qualifier "communist" in front of China as if it is a bad thing? What you are advocating for in your last two posts in pure and simple Communism, so whay are you using the word disparagingly?

I know that you will argue, but taking a disprportionate share of income from the "wealthy" and redsributing it to whoever you want to refer to as "deserving" (I believe you referred to drug users and eunder-educated in your previous post) is textbook Communism.

What makes this country work is that people work hard in school so that they can get a good job. They work hard there so they can make more money. They invest that money in other companies so that they can make more money. They buy things with their money so they can enjoy the fruits of their labors. The colleges they attend, the businesses they run, the businesses they invest in, and the businesses they purchase goods from all have more people doing the same thing. All of these happy little earners pay taxes every time they get paid, every time they buy something, every time they pay their mortgage, every time plate their car, etc.

If you take away the basic driving force from this equation (making money and spending it as you see fit) then the whole thing collapses. It is easy to say 'Paris Hilton doesn't need it", but where is the world if Bill Gates knew heading into college that his income was going to be capped because the pot-head drop-out from his high school needed more handouts from the US?

PHX-SOXFAN
08-14-2008, 03:31 PM
I know that you will argue, but taking a disprportionate share of income from the "wealthy" and redsributing it to whoever you want to refer to as "deserving" (I believe you referred to drug users and eunder-educated in your previous post) is textbook Communism.


my how the facts get twisted. the progressive income tax is a founding principal of this country. look it up. just as is inheritance tax. it's a founding principle of this country to rid itself of manor system practices.:clap:

arkanian215
08-14-2008, 03:50 PM
ya im going to college and actually majoring in Political Science and I know how democratic it is there

haha good. dont throw a fit. you're bound to if you take your entry poli sci classes. oh man... it might be a little more conservative if theres more local reds that attend your college.

tomno00
08-14-2008, 04:04 PM
my how the facts get twisted. the progressive income tax is a founding principal of this country. look it up. just as is inheritance tax. it's a founding principle of this country to rid itself of manor system practices.:clap:

how are the facts twisted? we all know there is an incremental income tax.

ripjhb18
08-14-2008, 04:07 PM
haha good. dont throw a fit. you're bound to if you take your entry poli sci classes. oh man... it might be a little more conservative if theres more local reds that attend your college.

O trust me im not really looking forward to dealing with it but I do have one of my friends in my classes with me who is also a little conservative. I know what to expect especially because it is at a city college in southern california.

Eastside Scott
08-14-2008, 04:10 PM
my how the facts get twisted. the progressive income tax is a founding principal of this country. look it up. just as is inheritance tax. it's a founding principle of this country to rid itself of manor system practices.:clap:

The poster you are defending is not advocating for the current system that you are referring to, he is advocating for more payment from whomever someone decides is "too wealthy". You actually go a long way towards strengthening my point. You are exactly correct, the wealthy have always paid more taxes, and always will. No one is shirking their responsibilities. I yearn for the day I owe $1,000,000 in taxes. It will be the happiest day of my life. To advocte for a greater share of individuals' money based on someone's definition of "too wealthy" is completely unfair and completely Communism.

If anyone is for Communism, that is a discussion that can have some merit. Comunism without government corruption is intellectually viable in some ways. As a theory it is attractive, in practice, not so much. Just please don't act like what you are advocating for is not Communism because it is. Be honest and say Communism/Socialism is where I want the country to go. I would disagree, but I would respect the honesty.

WES445
08-15-2008, 02:45 AM
I may be a little confused here, but why did you include the qualifier "communist" in front of China as if it is a bad thing? What you are advocating for in your last two posts in pure and simple Communism, so whay are you using the word disparagingly?

I know that you will argue, but taking a disprportionate share of income from the "wealthy" and redsributing it to whoever you want to refer to as "deserving" (I believe you referred to drug users and eunder-educated in your previous post) is textbook Communism.

What makes this country work is that people work hard in school so that they can get a good job. They work hard there so they can make more money. They invest that money in other companies so that they can make more money. They buy things with their money so they can enjoy the fruits of their labors. The colleges they attend, the businesses they run, the businesses they invest in, and the businesses they purchase goods from all have more people doing the same thing. All of these happy little earners pay taxes every time they get paid, every time they buy something, every time they pay their mortgage, every time plate their car, etc.

If you take away the basic driving force from this equation (making money and spending it as you see fit) then the whole thing collapses. It is easy to say 'Paris Hilton doesn't need it", but where is the world if Bill Gates knew heading into college that his income was going to be capped because the pot-head drop-out from his high school needed more handouts from the US?

When I push for raising taxes on the wealthiest parts of society, it isn't about some Robin Hood mentality. The extra money isn't going to crack head hoes, but making sure our brothers and sisters in the armed forces have the proper equiment. Maintaining our roads, bridges, power grid and sewage systems. Hiring more border cops, food tester, security at chemical plants and nuclear reactors and various other things. Besides it's better to raise money thru taxes then borrowing from not-our-friend China. Is it better to past on our big debt (to China) to our children or raise taxes on those who owns three manisons and private jet? It isn't being a communist to want citizens to be safe on the roads, the food we eat, or when we go to war. This isn't about hand-outs. In past post, I never push taking money from the rich to give to drug-users and the only uneducated people I rant for are grade school children.
It is a common republican trick to make you think that any new taxes will all go straight to lazy bums. Sometime you raise taxes because things cost more. Aren't you pissed with all the food recalls, bridges collapsing, underground steam pipe exploding, or foreigners just walking across our borders? Well it is going to cost more money.

metsfreak
08-15-2008, 03:37 AM
29, Democrat

DerekRE_3
08-15-2008, 04:01 AM
19. Fiscally conservative and socially moderate. So kind of a libertarian streak I guess. But I'm registered Republican.

Lady's Man
08-16-2008, 07:39 PM
When I push for raising taxes on the wealthiest parts of society, it isn't about some Robin Hood mentality. The extra money isn't going to crack head hoes, but making sure our brothers and sisters in the armed forces have the proper equiment. Maintaining our roads, bridges, power grid and sewage systems. Hiring more border cops, food tester, security at chemical plants and nuclear reactors and various other things. Besides it's better to raise money thru taxes then borrowing from not-our-friend China. Is it better to past on our big debt (to China) to our children or raise taxes on those who owns three manisons and private jet? It isn't being a communist to want citizens to be safe on the roads, the food we eat, or when we go to war. This isn't about hand-outs. In past post, I never push taking money from the rich to give to drug-users and the only uneducated people I rant for are grade school children.
It is a common republican trick to make you think that any new taxes will all go straight to lazy bums. Sometime you raise taxes because things cost more. Aren't you pissed with all the food recalls, bridges collapsing, underground steam pipe exploding, or foreigners just walking across our borders? Well it is going to cost more money.

so you think sending more money to these morons is the answer? just watch some c-span or listen to the news and see how this money is spent... and btw, if your roads and sewers are broken, complain to your local town government... it is not the job of the federal government to fix your roads.

Cadarn
08-17-2008, 12:19 AM
26 republican. anti-abortion, pro gay marriage. Our goverment could function on a fraction of the money it steals from us.

spartanbear
08-17-2008, 05:35 AM
I'm 24 and confused. I'm liberal on some stuff and conservative on others. I'm a lil' left of the center on social stuff and a lil' right of the center on taxes, spending, national security, and other stuff that really matters when it comes to running the country and my self determination. I mean I could give a crap about two guys or gals getting married.

I wanna have my cake an eat it two.

WES445
08-17-2008, 05:40 AM
so you think sending more money to these morons is the answer? just watch some c-span or listen to the news and see how this money is spent... and btw, if your roads and sewers are broken, complain to your local town government... it is not the job of the federal government to fix your roads. Do you know how many states budgets are in the red? With gas going up (school buses, police cars, fire trucks), the problem will get worse. Do you know how states fixed this problem in the past? Either cut services to it's citizens or raise taxes. So *****ing to the state about the road is only going to go so far without federal aid or increase taxes.
Or maybe the states can do the same things the federal government does, borrow from China. Mine rant about raising the tax on the rich is to stop this madness of borrowing from China. DO YOU THINK IT IS OK TO BORROW SO MUCH MONEY FROM CHINA, just so we don't raise taxes on the wealthy or oil companies? If you have a better idea to stop this without raising taxes, I would love to hear it.If you don't like the way congress is spending our money, kick the bums out (be they rep or dem).

Lady's Man
08-17-2008, 06:28 AM
Do you know how many states budgets are in the red? With gas going up (school buses, police cars, fire trucks), the problem will get worse. Do you know how states fixed this problem in the past? Either cut services to it's citizens or raise taxes. So *****ing to the state about the road is only going to go so far without federal aid or increase taxes.
Or maybe the states can do the same things the federal government does, borrow from China. Mine rant about raising the tax on the rich is to stop this madness of borrowing from China. DO YOU THINK IT IS OK TO BORROW SO MUCH MONEY FROM CHINA, just so we don't raise taxes on the wealthy or oil companies? If you have a better idea to stop this without raising taxes, I would love to hear it.If you don't like the way congress is spending our money, kick the bums out (be they rep or dem).

what ur speaking is flat out socialism/communism... and its obvious you dont understand our tax system or economy..... so its not worth arguing

WES445
08-17-2008, 07:57 AM
what ur speaking is flat out socialism/communism... and its obvious you dont understand our tax system or economy..... so its not worth arguing

And you can't answer a simple question. So borrowing from China is part of our tax system or good for our economy? If we go deeper into debt to China, don't you think it will effect our relationship with them? Who would be the big dog in that relationship? All those big bucks we are paiding back with interest is going into building up their industrial base and military to challenge us as a world power. All this to avoid raising taxes. Oh, I am sorry I am being a communist for wanting America to be self-sustaining and not beholden to any country, let alone a communist one. You go into massive debt with anyone and they control our future. You plan your money around them.
Forget it, obvious you can't focus on a simple question even after I capitalize the question.

WES445
08-17-2008, 08:53 AM
26 republican. anti-abortion, pro gay marriage. Our goverment could function on a fraction of the money it steals from us.

You are damn right about stealing. How many generals and admirals do we need on the paid roll or pencil pushers to send supplies to schools? Can't we find a hammer used in the military for less then $50 bucks? Those no-bid contracts that Congress hand-out can't be good for the country. In alot ways, congress have let the people down. Meaning rep.and dem.

Lady's Man
08-17-2008, 01:09 PM
And you can't answer a simple question. So borrowing from China is part of our tax system or good for our economy? If we go deeper into debt to China, don't you think it will effect our relationship with them? Who would be the big dog in that relationship? All those big bucks we are paiding back with interest is going into building up their industrial base and military to challenge us as a world power. All this to avoid raising taxes. Oh, I am sorry I am being a communist for wanting America to be self-sustaining and not beholden to any country, let alone a communist one. You go into massive debt with anyone and they control our future. You plan your money around them.
Forget it, obvious you can't focus on a simple question even after I capitalize the question.

again, do you understand our tax system or economy? do you realize that the top 1% of earners pay more tax than the bottom 95%? do you also realize that we borrow no money from China? Our government sells debt (bonds) to raise money. Countries (one of them being china) buy our debt (treasury bonds and other investmetns) because they want to manipulate the foreign exchange rates. (Buying debt devalues their (china's) currency which makes their products cheap overseas... thus easier to export). Unfortunately we cannot help who buys our bonds and unfortunately we wil continue to buy from the chinese b/c they provide cheap products....

Also, china's holding in american debt only represents a small percentage (about 5% i think). The US governement owes more in interest to Japan, to us citizens, and to the government itself.

tomno00
08-17-2008, 02:04 PM
Do you know how many states budgets are in the red? With gas going up (school buses, police cars, fire trucks), the problem will get worse. Do you know how states fixed this problem in the past? Either cut services to it's citizens or raise taxes. So *****ing to the state about the road is only going to go so far without federal aid or increase taxes.
Or maybe the states can do the same things the federal government does, borrow from China. Mine rant about raising the tax on the rich is to stop this madness of borrowing from China. DO YOU THINK IT IS OK TO BORROW SO MUCH MONEY FROM CHINA, just so we don't raise taxes on the wealthy or oil companies? If you have a better idea to stop this without raising taxes, I would love to hear it.If you don't like the way congress is spending our money, kick the bums out (be they rep or dem).

look at a political map and look at red vs. blue states. you'll notice that the cost of living in blue states is through the roof thanks to extremely high taxes. And hey if your complaining about the rich not paying enough tax, im sure the governement would more than welcome some extra contributions from yourself

WES445
08-17-2008, 02:39 PM
Ok, I am going for, the moment, to belive I am totally in the dark.
Explain to me how borrowing from China and creating a large debt to a foreign country that don't like us, fit into a successful american tax systems and help our economy. How are we going to remain a strong nation if we are depending on another country for money? Paid for our wars and social services, instead of ourselves?This also a test to see if you can answer a direct question.

Lady's Man
08-17-2008, 03:10 PM
Ok, I am going for, the moment, to belive I am totally in the dark.
Explain to me how borrowing from China and creating a large debt to a foreign country that don't like us, fit into a successful american tax systems and help our economy. How are we going to remain a strong nation if we are depending on another country for money? Paid for our wars and social services, instead of ourselves?This also a test to see if you can answer a direct question.

because, unlike you, people dont like to pay tax. It hinders people's ability to spend on an open market and thus, brings down the economy as a whole. The government knows this. Thus they choose to sell bonds to finance whatever it is they are trying to finance.
Now with a down economy and a lot of businesses struggling, especially small businesses, the government feels that it isnt in the country's best interest to drop even more tax on them. If they did, then many would be forced to shut down all together. This is obviously bad for the economy.
In a perfect world, we would obvioulsy like it if we didnt have to raise taxes or borrow money. But our government is not fiscally responsible enough for that to happen.

WES445
08-17-2008, 03:21 PM
again, do you understand our tax system or economy? do you realize that the top 1% of earners pay more tax than the bottom 95%? do you also realize that we borrow no money from China? Our government sells debt (bonds) to raise money. Countries (one of them being china) buy our debt (treasury bonds and other investmetns) because they want to manipulate the foreign exchange rates. (Buying debt devalues their (china's) currency which makes their products cheap overseas... thus easier to export). Unfortunately we cannot help who buys our bonds and unfortunately we wil continue to buy from the chinese b/c they provide cheap products....

Also, china's holding in american debt only represents a small percentage (about 5% i think). The US governement owes more in interest to Japan, to us citizens, and to the government itself.
Untill I can find the exact number I will excepted your figure and said you might be right. China is buying as many as bonds as it can right now, and with their huge stockpile of money, that alot of bonds. So with a debt of 900 billion (which is a fact easily checked on) how do we stop this from wrecking our economy without raising taxes? Answer this question and I might never trouble you again.:D

What part of the trillion dollars (900 billion) american deficit is owed to the american people, so I can start collecting mine share. The rich and Big businese have more ways to hide money from the government like off-shore banking then the average joe, plus more tax loop-holes then us too. The top 5% of the earners have benefit more then the little man over the past 20 years. Their earning have shot-up more then the average joe. If a person wealth reach a level that his money is working for them instead of them working for money, then I wouldn't cry if they have to paid more to ease the deficit.

WES445
08-17-2008, 03:32 PM
because, unlike you, people dont like to pay tax. It hinders people's ability to spend on an open market and thus, brings down the economy as a whole. The government knows this. Thus they choose to sell bonds to finance whatever it is they are trying to finance.
Now with a down economy and a lot of businesses struggling, especially small businesses, the government feels that it isnt in the country's best interest to drop even more tax on them. If they did, then many would be forced to shut down all together. This is obviously bad for the economy.
In a perfect world, we would obvioulsy like it if we didnt have to raise taxes or borrow money. But our government is not fiscally responsible enough for that to happen.

If our government is not fiscally responsible enough to solve the 900 million dollars deficit, then my friend we are truly --cked. If we don't raise taxes on those who can most afford to paid them, then that 900million will grow. Individuals lose homes, what does a nation lose? The ability to protect it's citizens on the street (some streets atleast), or wage war effectively or world status? Please don't give me a sunny outlook. I am a Bear fan, so I know what sunny outlooks are worth.

WES445
08-17-2008, 03:42 PM
And hey if your complaining about the rich not paying enough tax, im sure the governement would more than welcome some extra contributions from yourself

You are assuming I am rich? If I was rich, I wouldn't mind paiding higher taxes to beat down the deficit or stop the government from selling bonds (thank you Ladies man) to raise money from foreign country. Some rich folks have stated this themselves. I know, I know it was rich filthy liberal, who said this.
If I was rich, do you think I would return posting to a poorkin like you.:rolleyes:

Lady's Man
08-17-2008, 05:21 PM
Untill I can find the exact number I will excepted your figure and said you might be right. China is buying as many as bonds as it can right now, and with their huge stockpile of money, that alot of bonds. So with a debt of 900 billion (which is a fact easily checked on) how do we stop this from wrecking our economy without raising taxes? Answer this question and I might never trouble you again.:D

What part of the trillion dollars (900 billion) american deficit is owed to the american people, so I can start collecting mine share. The rich and Big businese have more ways to hide money from the government like off-shore banking then the average joe, plus more tax loop-holes then us too. The top 5% of the earners have benefit more then the little man over the past 20 years. Their earning have shot-up more then the average joe. If a person wealth reach a level that his money is working for them instead of them working for money, then I wouldn't cry if they have to paid more to ease the deficit.

all i can say is that the economy is a very complex thing to study.... not every group can be satisfied.... there has to be a happy medium........

Like i said before... raises taxes can have its negative consequences..... companies finding cheaper labor overseas, job loss due to cutbacks, etc.

And here something that's pretty funny... obama made 5 million in book sales and he put about a million of that in tax-free municipal bonds. And i dont know if this is true or not, but i hear he writes off goodwill in his tax returns. So even the golden boy is hiding money from the government.

RogerRomo
08-17-2008, 10:06 PM
These moon bat "write a whole story", comments are great. You guys keep us Republicans entertained. Keep it up! I am angry, white, and clinging to my guns and religion.

IS27NY
08-18-2008, 12:47 AM
These moon bat "write a whole story", comments are great. You guys keep us Republicans entertained. Keep it up! I am angry, white, and clinging to my guns and religion.

Haha so right I just laugh at them

17 Republican and Im Pro American unlike a lot of democrats

DenButsu
08-18-2008, 01:05 AM
Im Pro American unlike a lot of democrats

:yawn:


Yeah, dude, we all just hate America like SOOOO much. :eyebrow:


There's a difference between blind loyalism to a failed president and his policies (and/or wearing as many flag pins as possible on your lapel), and TRUE patriotism which requires not only loving the best things about one's country but being aware of and critical of the worst so that we know what to change to make it better and move it closer to living up to the great ideals it was built on.

IS27NY
08-18-2008, 02:38 AM
:yawn:


Yeah, dude, we all just hate America like SOOOO much. :eyebrow:


There's a difference between blind loyalism to a failed president and his policies (and/or wearing as many flag pins as possible on your lapel), and TRUE patriotism which requires not only loving the best things about one's country but being aware of and critical of the worst so that we know what to change to make it better and move it closer to living up to the great ideals it was built on.

Lol its too easy

KH12
08-18-2008, 02:59 AM
21, Democrat.

RogerRomo
08-18-2008, 11:55 AM
:yawn:


Yeah, dude, we all just hate America like SOOOO much. :eyebrow:


There's a difference between blind loyalism to a failed president and his policies (and/or wearing as many flag pins as possible on your lapel), and TRUE patriotism which requires not only loving the best things about one's country but being aware of and critical of the worst so that we know what to change to make it better and move it closer to living up to the great ideals it was built on.

I rest my case.

RogerRomo
08-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Oh crap, I should have bolded REST

sboyajian
08-18-2008, 12:27 PM
28.. and this year.. I'm Democrat..

I don't generally vote by party lines.. I vote for the best person for the job.. I hate that people consider themself one party or would vote for a specific party because that is what the registration says..

Vote for the best. Period.

sboyajian
08-18-2008, 12:28 PM
Oh crap, I should have bolded REST

Only a Republican would make a second post to bold "REST", instead using the Edit button to change his existing post.

;)

DenButsu
08-18-2008, 01:01 PM
I rest my case.

You have yet to actually make a case for or against anything in any post I've seen of yours in this forum. The only thing you've done is name call... "Libs" etc. Neener neener neener. :rolleyes:

Raidaz4Life
08-18-2008, 06:41 PM
18/R... I hate the government controlling my life. Oh yeah and I hate the poor

Tragic Johnson
08-18-2008, 06:48 PM
I'm a Hispanic Republican (not Cuban), so according to the Liberal Media, I don't exist.

And oh yes, obviously I hate the poor too.

Raidaz4Life
08-18-2008, 06:54 PM
It isn't a matter of what the rich have done or whatever about a book. It's a matter of are they going to step up and paid higher taxes to cover the various things that keep a nation going from defense to road and sewage repair. As prices goes up, the cost of maintaining this country does to. This isn't a new idea, raising taxes on the rich, it was done during major wars. Hell, it was consider your duty to reach deep into your pocket and help your country in need. If you are willing to die for this country, paiding more taxes shouldn't be a burden. Do we really want to go deeper in debt to communist China, then raise taxes on those who benefit the most in this country? Paris Hilton will not die because of it.
We owe China billions of dollars and they produce damn near everything we consume. Are we more powerful than them? Who in this type of relationship have more influence? In growth and manufacturing, they are higher up in the superpower game. Industrial base is important in winning wars. It is the building block of a strong economy for it's CEOs and workers. It creates a strong and large tax base by spreading the wealth around. Spreading the wealth creates stronger families and neighborhoods. Ours is going down fast.

Funny thing is you can cut the useless government spending and get the same result too lol

b1e9a8r5s
08-18-2008, 08:53 PM
I'm a Hispanic Republican (not Cuban), so according to the Liberal Media, I don't exist.

And oh yes, obviously I hate the poor too.

HAHAHA. Very nice.

RogerRomo
08-18-2008, 09:13 PM
I'm a Hispanic Republican (not Cuban), so according to the Liberal Media, I don't exist.

And oh yes, obviously I hate the poor too.

I have heard stories of your kind around camp fires.

DenButsu
08-18-2008, 09:45 PM
I hope a few more Republicans will repeat gcoll's "I hate the poor" joke a few more dozen times. Every time I read it, it's just as funny as the first time.

And my apologies. I can't believe I ever said the right was bad at comedy.

Raidaz4Life
08-18-2008, 09:49 PM
I hope a few more Republicans will repeat gcoll's "I hate the poor" joke a few more dozen times. Every time I read it, it's just as funny as the first time.

And my apologies. I can't believe I ever said the right was bad at comedy.

well its our biggest criticism so its only right that we acknowledge it.:p

TheRuckus
08-18-2008, 10:01 PM
21 and unaffiliated. In the interest of time, I'll spare everyone my rant about the utter failings of the current party system. Suffice to say that I have a cadre of issues with the way this country is run and very little faith in any of the people in a position to actually correct it.

If I had a gun to my head, I'd classify myself as a "small-l libertarian," meaning that I believe that laws exist to prevent you from unnecessarily harming others. Harming yourself is not illegal, just stupid. That said, I know that any policy of the party's is so poorly thought out that it would destroy civilization as we know it. Essentially, I disdain labels and complete subscription to any one school or belief of thought, but one I draw on is classical liberalism, i.e. John Locke. And minarchy.

DenButsu
08-18-2008, 10:35 PM
It reminds me of a scene (actually multiple scenes) from the movie Barfly. (paraphrasing):

Wanda: I hate people. Do you hate people?
Henry: I don't hate people. I just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.

Later on in the movie:

Wanda: Don't you hate cops?
Henry: I don't hate cops. I just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.

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And in politics:

Liberals: You really seem like you hate the poor.
Conservatives: We don't hate the poor. We just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.


I think that's more the reality of it. It's not, for the most part, a pro-active malice against poor people. It's not villianry with a tophat and handlebar mustache. It's more a general discomfort and unease with the fact of their existence, and a desire not to associate with them. They're not AGAINST poor people per se, but helping them is so far down on their priority list that by the time they might get that far (which they rarely do) they've already screwed them over by helping out the more fortunate instead.

Eastside Scott
08-19-2008, 09:30 PM
It reminds me of a scene (actually multiple scenes) from the movie Barfly. (paraphrasing):

Wanda: I hate people. Do you hate people?
Henry: I don't hate people. I just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.

Later on in the movie:

Wanda: Don't you hate cops?
Henry: I don't hate cops. I just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.

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And in politics:

Liberals: You really seem like you hate the poor.
Conservatives: We don't hate the poor. We just seem to feel a lot better when they're not around.


I think that's more the reality of it. It's not, for the most part, a pro-active malice against poor people. It's not villianry with a tophat and handlebar mustache. It's more a general discomfort and unease with the fact of their existence, and a desire not to associate with them. They're not AGAINST poor people per se, but helping them is so far down on their priority list that by the time they might get that far (which they rarely do) they've already screwed them over by helping out the more fortunate instead.

This is not directed just at you, but at the other people going on and on about how terrible Republicans are at helping the poor...

Could you please give me a quick breakdown of all the work you have personally done to aid the needy? Is there something beyond the usual talking down to others as if you are actually doing something yourselves?

Telios9
08-19-2008, 09:57 PM
17 and republican

DenButsu
08-20-2008, 01:52 AM
This is not directed just at you, but at the other people going on and on about how terrible Republicans are at helping the poor...

Could you please give me a quick breakdown of all the work you have personally done to aid the needy? Is there something beyond the usual talking down to others as if you are actually doing something yourselves?

Nothing recently. I worked for a homeless shelter when I was in college.

arkanian215
08-21-2008, 11:00 PM
haha maybe i shouldve posted this in the general discussion forum.

DenButsu
08-21-2008, 11:12 PM
nvm

JHG722
08-22-2008, 06:38 AM
20, Republican

Brewersin08
08-23-2008, 09:13 PM
Democrat but, thinking about joining the throw the bums out party. 53, so I'm old enough to remember the greatness this country had and what it could have been. This country is going down the drain and I find it silly not to tax the wealthiest to prevent this. Last in education, second-rated super power, drug hazed culture and no industrial base, but thank God we didn't taxed the rich, give me a break.

Why should people be punished because they make more money than other people? Seriously. **** the poor.

marques724
08-23-2008, 09:59 PM
25 independent

ari1013
08-24-2008, 09:27 AM
This is not directed just at you, but at the other people going on and on about how terrible Republicans are at helping the poor...

Could you please give me a quick breakdown of all the work you have personally done to aid the needy? Is there something beyond the usual talking down to others as if you are actually doing something yourselves?
Sure. In undergrad I volunteered for Habitat For Humanity. In grad school I did work for the NY State EOP system in prepping underpriviledged high school students to get them ready for college -- the students who went through the Enrichment Program were far more likely to attend and graduate college as well as find a job after graduation. And throughout HS, college, grad school, and today, I've donated to various charity groups.

Lady's Man
08-24-2008, 03:17 PM
17, republican........ because i hate the poor and want to go the war with every country

DenButsu
08-24-2008, 07:33 PM
17, republican........ because i hate the poor and want to go the war with every country

I hope a few more Republicans will repeat gcoll's "I hate the poor" joke a few more dozen times. Every time I read it, it's just as funny as the first time.

And my apologies. I can't believe I ever said the right was bad at comedy.

tomno00
08-24-2008, 09:11 PM
21, fiscal republican, social liberal....... and like the others i too hate the poor and i too think we should invade every country

utahjazzno12fan
09-21-2008, 02:00 PM
25 - My state does not have party affiliation, but I have voting privileges within my county Republican Party. I consider myself more of a paleoconservative so I do support the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party. I am actually an Electoral College delegate for Alan Keyes if he wins my state. I am a life member of the NRA. I am also a member of Right to Life.

ari1013
09-21-2008, 10:35 PM
Who was it that kept posting about the 100-to-1 ratio of liberal to conservative posters in here?

32 Republicans
26 Democrats

That's a little over 55% Republican when looking just at the two parties.

AZCardsFan
09-21-2008, 11:42 PM
17 Republican

Shawh
09-21-2008, 11:59 PM
18, liberal.