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asomen
08-07-2008, 12:07 PM
The Union-Tribune has learned that the Boston Red Sox have claimed Padres right fielder Brian Giles off the waiver wire, if only to keep him away from the two teams with better records in the American League. Thus, Boston entered a 48-hour period in which the Sox have exclusive rights to try to work out a trade with San Diego.


If we land Giles...where do we put him?? Do we trade coco? I think if we offer a trade straight...coco for giles...i think we land him.

blujaysrock
08-07-2008, 12:09 PM
I don't think you will get him for coco, but you never know maybe chuck in a B prospect with coco

asomen
08-07-2008, 12:14 PM
Now that I think about it though...Tampa lost out on the Jason Bay deal and they didn't pickup the outfielder they needed....boston most likely did this to prevent tampa from getting him.

Tampa definetly needed a guy like Giles and Boston took that away from them. Congrats on Theo making another smart move.

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 12:18 PM
is this Truth...Giles is a solid player and can do awesome in a lineup like this...Padres are garbage. You put Giles batting 6-7-8 and he can help out and be a solid contributor. i hope we can work something out and get him.

I Also believe he has a clause in his contract where he has a certain amount of teams where he has to accept a trade to and Boston is one of them..i hope he waives the no trade clause and he comes and helps us win another W.S

-Lavigne43-
08-07-2008, 12:19 PM
Yeah he has a no trade clause against Boston among other cities

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 12:21 PM
It's true, its on rotoworld


According to the San Diego Union Tribune, the Red Sox have claimed Brian Giles off waivers and now have 48 hours to work out a trade with the Padres.
There's little indication that either sides wants to make a deal, as the Padres were simply doing what teams do with many players by seeing if Giles could pass through waivers and the Red Sox were blocking him from potentially being dealt somewhere else. Giles also has the right to veto a trade to 10 teams and Boston is on the list.

Source (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&filter_teams=SD&id=2179)

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 12:24 PM
Why would Giles veto a trade to the Sox??? Right nows hes on a garbage Padres squad that is clearly not going anywhere. I wish the sox could snag him up. Its not like Giles would hurt our club. I highly doubt something gets worked out. lets hope

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 12:26 PM
He is a solid player, but I would rather keep Coco. Maybe keep him in the minors until the roster amount expands, except he wouldn't be eligible for the postseason.

:confused:

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 12:27 PM
Since the Sox blocked them from the AL teams with a better record, that means the Rays and Angels were both interested.

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 12:30 PM
U RATHER COCO than Giles?? Coco has better defense and speed but **** coco i hate em... i rather have giles...but it doesnt matter... Giles will not be a red sox player

asomen
08-07-2008, 12:31 PM
Since the Sox blocked them from the AL teams with a better record, that means the Rays and Angels were both interested.

Angels were not interested...where would they have room? Gary Matthews is already sitting the bench and is the 4th outfielder. Giles would be the 5th outfielder. They have Vlad, Hunter, Anderson, Matthews....no room.

Tampa is the only team that was looking to plateau a RF. They tried to get Bay...that failed...they tried Ibanez...that failed. They were bound to pick up Giles.

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 12:38 PM
it would be nice if the sox got him. Another solid bat cant hurt. just not sure what the Padres are asking and what the sox are willing to give up if anything

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 12:41 PM
U RATHER COCO than Giles?? Coco has better defense and speed but **** coco i hate em... i rather have giles...but it doesnt matter... Giles will not be a red sox player

Well, without Coco, our only current base stealing threat has been Ellsbury, and he has only stolen a few bases since June and July. We can't rely on Lugo, because of his injury, and he can't get on base, so he can't steal. Coco is valuable to the team.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
08-07-2008, 12:45 PM
Well, without Coco, our only current base stealing threat has been Ellsbury, and he has only stolen a few bases since June and July. We can't rely on Lugo, because of his injury, and he can't get on base, so he can't steal. Coco is valuable to the team.

Since when can Coco get on base? :p

futureheisman
08-07-2008, 12:45 PM
get rid of coc for some bullpen help and land giles

WhyDuquette
08-07-2008, 01:00 PM
giles is very very solid

has a 854 away ops away from the awful hitting park, petco

redsox12
08-07-2008, 01:12 PM
THURSDAY: Interestingly, the Red Sox won the claim on Giles. Their intent may have been keeping him away from the Rays and/or Angels. Giles can veto a trade to Boston, and he might simply because his playing time could be reduced. Also, I have learned that Giles would still be able to veto a straight salary dump. The Padres can't use this situation to sneak around Giles' no-trade clause.

mlbtr

He might not want to lose playing time, and he loves SD. But if he wants a ring?

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 01:16 PM
im not sure if boston is even trying to make offers to get him. its probably just to keep him off other teams. if he wants a ring its better to come here with reduced playing time than to stay in SD rotting

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 01:19 PM
Since when can Coco get on base? :p

Good question! :laugh2:

bosox1899
08-07-2008, 01:19 PM
from what i read on espn, giles has a limited no trade clause but the red sox are one of the teams that he can be traded to WITHOUT his permission, so if they do get a deal done, he can't veto it, unless ESPN made an error in their report, which isn't unlikely anyways

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 01:22 PM
from what i read on espn, giles has a limited no trade clause but the red sox are one of the teams that he can be traded to WITHOUT his permission, so if they do get a deal done, he can't veto it, unless ESPN made an error in their report, which isn't unlikely anyways

yeah man i think its the other way around. theres like 10 teams. if he gets traded to one of those 10 teams he can veto the trade. Boston is one of the 10 teams. Giles wont be wearing a Sox uniform this year. Although id love to see it happen.

Padres Son
08-07-2008, 01:25 PM
I hope something gets worked out. Giles is still a very solid hitter and pretty decent in the field, too.

asomen
08-07-2008, 01:27 PM
I don't know why he would block a trade...he is an aging outfielder...who has a chance to fill in on off days and be a key aspect to a championship team. He can DH for ortiz as well to rest his wrist.

The last time I checked...most players in this league rather be a part of a championship team than put up stats individually.....unless your name is Manny Ramirez.

ERLynx
08-07-2008, 01:27 PM
... but can he fight!?

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 01:31 PM
... but can he fight!?

lol.....if he cant????

i hope we can sign how get em away from the padres.

Sportfan
08-07-2008, 01:44 PM
wow he has a .300 avg in a pitchers park. and whoever said he can't run at all is wrong. He has 107 sb in his career. he is also in the top ten in the NL in OBP. and if he was in the american league he would be 6th in obp.
source yahoo! sports

ccspence8
08-07-2008, 02:30 PM
giles is like a career .300 hitter if I'm not mistaken.


Why would you want coco over him?

He's a career .292 hitter .404 OBP

This year (I have him on my fantasy team) .296 6 Hr 37 RBI .391 OBP

asomen
08-07-2008, 02:33 PM
giles is like a career .300 hitter if I'm not mistaken.


Why would you want coco over him?

He's a career .292 hitter .404 OBP

This year (I have him on my fantasy team) .296 6 Hr 37 RBI .391 OBP

Fantasy baseball is based on stats. Real life baseball is based on clubhouse presence, stats, what can you do for the team, etc.

Giles is a club house leader in San Diego...he is a positive influence on his team. What has coco done for us in the clubhouse this year? Charge a mound on a questionable call and cause a huge distraction. What good have we heard from coco lately? In the offseason he's the one who wanted out...we never granted it to him. For all we know...he could be a Manny Ramirez inside the clubhouse.

Tragedy
08-07-2008, 03:09 PM
Since the Sox blocked them from the AL teams with a better record, that means the Rays and Angels were both interested.
Exactly.

soxfaninny
08-07-2008, 03:22 PM
Gils is a solid player, walks alot and hardly strikesout, hes never struck out more then70-80 times a year

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 03:27 PM
Damn, he had some big years in Pittsburgh. I wasn't aware.


SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
1997 Cle 130 377 62 101 15 3 17 61 63 50 13 3 .268 .368 .459 .827
1998 Cle 112 350 56 94 19 0 16 66 73 75 10 5 .269 .396 .460 .856
1999 Pit 141 521 109 164 33 3 39 115 95 80 6 2 .315 .418 .614 1.032
2000 Pit 156 559 111 176 37 7 35 123 114 69 6 0 .315 .432 .594 1.026
2001 Pit 160 576 116 178 37 7 37 95 90 67 13 6 .309 .404 .590 .994
2002 Pit 153 497 95 148 37 5 38 103 135 74 15 6 .298 .450 .622 1.072

JimmyMal450
08-07-2008, 03:33 PM
^^^Yeah I just looked that up too, I never realized he was an elite player back in the day. I mean in '01, '02, .315 AVG 35+ HR 115+ RBI (.432 OBP in 2002 :speechless: ) , those are some great numbers.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
08-07-2008, 03:35 PM
... but can he fight!?

He can probably fight better than Coco... Although Coco is pretty damn elusive with those dodges. :D

JimmyMal450
08-07-2008, 03:37 PM
He can probably fight better than Coco... Although Coco is pretty damn elusive with those dodges. :D

Awesome job on the Pedroia sig Bean town :clap:

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 03:42 PM
^^^Yeah I just looked that up too, I never realized he was an elite player back in the day. I mean in '01, '02, .315 AVG 35+ HR 115+ RBI (.432 OBP in 2002 :speechless: ) , those are some great numbers.

It makes me a little curious too. Was he a steroid user? It very well may be possible, considering his sudden decline in power.

JimmyMal450
08-07-2008, 03:51 PM
Yeah he went from hitting 36+ homeruns for 5 years then delind to 20for three years, and now he can't even hit 20.

RIG
08-07-2008, 03:57 PM
what year did Bonds leave Pit?

RIG
08-07-2008, 03:59 PM
1992 nvm

RedSoxtober
08-07-2008, 04:11 PM
Since the Sox blocked them from the AL teams with a better record, that means the Rays and Angels were both interested.

It really means that they assumed there were others interested. The waivers used in August are supposed to be confidential on both sides so the Sox could only guess that a move for Giles would block someone higher. The logical choice, as has been said, has got to be the Rays.


It makes me a little curious too. Was he a steroid user? It very well may be possible, considering his sudden decline in power.


Yeah he went from hitting 36+ homeruns for 5 years then delind to 20for three years, and now he can't even hit 20.

C'mon guys, not every guy who has a power decline was a user. It's possible I suppose but there are other factors to consider. The biggest two are moving from PIT to SDP and age.

Even though both PNC and Petco are HR suppressing parks, San Diego has killed 15% more HR than Petco over the past five years. That's an average so it could possibly effect Giles more than the average guy. The best evidence of this can be seen in 2003, the year he was traded from the Pirates to the Padres. He apparently lost a bit of power over night (PIT: .299/.430/.951 vs SDP: .298/.414/.904)?

Second there's age. A position player's "prime time" is typically his age 28-32 years. Anyone want to guess how old he was when he was in PIT?

I'd say that the combination of the two effects clearly led to a drop in production. Whether or not there are other factors is tough to say but I wouldn't want to start another witch hunt on the evidence we've got.

oneseven17
08-07-2008, 04:55 PM
oh yeah and he's was a steroid guy

GrkGawdofWalkz
08-07-2008, 05:05 PM
If it's a salary dump move I would do it. Giles still gets on base and hits for average. I would do it.

TDbank24
08-07-2008, 05:51 PM
Giles would be a good pick up for us. People saying they'd rather have Crisp, why? I'd rather have a chance to win the game when Giles comes up in the clutch rather than another Coco strike out or double play

BeAn 5 ToWnE
08-07-2008, 06:25 PM
Awesome job on the Pedroia sig Bean town :clap:

Thanks. :D

yaowowrocket11
08-07-2008, 06:51 PM
C'mon guys, not every guy who has a power decline was a user. It's possible I suppose but there are other factors to consider. The biggest two are moving from PIT to SDP and age.

Even though both PNC and Petco are HR suppressing parks, San Diego has killed 15% more HR than Petco over the past five years. That's an average so it could possibly effect Giles more than the average guy. The best evidence of this can be seen in 2003, the year he was traded from the Pirates to the Padres. He apparently lost a bit of power over night (PIT: .299/.430/.951 vs SDP: .298/.414/.904)?

Second there's age. A position player's "prime time" is typically his age 28-32 years. Anyone want to guess how old he was when he was in PIT?

I'd say that the combination of the two effects clearly led to a drop in production. Whether or not there are other factors is tough to say but I wouldn't want to start another witch hunt on the evidence we've got.

I never said he was. I said its possible. A lot of players were on steroids, believe it or not, so when I see a drop in power and HR numbers, right smack dab in the middle of the steroid era, it gets me a little curious.

RedSoxtober
08-07-2008, 07:02 PM
I never said he was. I said its possible. A lot of players were on steroids, believe it or not, so when I see a drop in power and HR numbers, right smack dab in the middle of the steroid era, it gets me a little curious.

I don't doubt that it's possible, I'm just tired of that being the first statement/question anytime a player declines.

Tragedy
08-07-2008, 07:03 PM
C'mon guys, not every guy who has a power decline was a user. It's possible I suppose but there are other factors to consider. The biggest two are moving from PIT to SDP and age.
Oh, his power decline has to be mostly due to San Diego, in my opinion. He's always been a good size guy. To me, it's not suspicious at all if a player moves into the best pitchers park and has zero power after that.

Dirty Dirk41
08-07-2008, 07:05 PM
I never said he was. I said its possible. A lot of players were on steroids, believe it or not, so when I see a drop in power and HR numbers, right smack dab in the middle of the steroid era, it gets me a little curious.

I Agree....who knows if he used roids but in baseball it's a possibility. I read an article a while ago and a unnamed player was talking about the steroid era in baseball and he said Anyone who wasn't using roids was either stupid or scared. i think if every player who ever used roids came out and admitted it, we would be SHOCKED and SURPRISED at some of the names.

cmoneytakemoney
08-07-2008, 07:30 PM
... but can he fight!?

I love that movie man.

They're pretty but, can they fight? LOL

m2j3
08-07-2008, 07:39 PM
This would be good, this would be good. I like his average, that's something that the Red Sox like also lol. If he can get some power back that would be even better. I wonder what they would have to give up. I honestly don't think they will offer Crisp for him.

WilymoPena
08-07-2008, 07:39 PM
Giles had serious injuries which sapped his power the past few years, he is older. Plus no way do we trade Coco straight for him. If anything it would be a minor leaguer or PTBNL. Thats how these things always go down. SD doesnt want more salary.

NESports2004
08-07-2008, 09:17 PM
I love that movie man.

They're pretty but, can they fight? LOL

lol he was referring to Coco's brawl with the Rays not a movie hahah

Dirty Dirk41
08-08-2008, 12:11 AM
I Heard someone say that during the Mets game the announcers were saying Giles was taking his last at bats as a padre...?? Is he def headed to Boston?? God i hope

BeAn 5 ToWnE
08-08-2008, 12:17 AM
I would love for Giles to be able to come off the bench and regularly give guys rest in the outfield.

homie564
08-08-2008, 11:35 AM
i hope giles becomes a red sox

Crucis
08-08-2008, 12:03 PM
A few thoughts...

1. The EEI guys mentioned this morning that Giles is coming up on 5 years with the Padres, which would give him his 10/5 rights. And if this is important to him, Giles might veto a trade (with his contract allowed veto) to the Sox so that he could become a 10/5 guy.

2. One has to wonder why Giles would have included the right to veto a trade to Boston in his contract in the first place. Is he one of those guys who simply want to play in anonymity on small market teams and doesn't want to play in the spotlight? If so, should we even trust that such a player could handle the pressure of playing in Boston?

OTOH, apparantly the Yankees aren't on his list of no-trade teams (but the Sox are)... What up with that?

3. Would Giles be willing to be a bench player for the rest of the season (assuming no injuries), just to play on a serious WS contender?



Still, if the Sox can work out a trade and Giles is willing to play for the Sox, presumably be a bench player for a couple of months, I wouldn't mind seeing another veteran bat on the bench.

Tragedy
08-08-2008, 12:14 PM
1. The EEI guys mentioned this morning that Giles is coming up on 5 years with the Padres, which would give him his 10/5 rights. And if this is important to him, Giles might veto a trade (with his contract allowed veto) to the Sox so that he could become a 10/5 guy.
Well, he's a FA after this season regardless. So, if he signs with another team, he'll lose that right.


OTOH, apparantly the Yankees aren't on his list of no-trade teams (but the Sox are)... What up with that?
I bet it has more to do with the stadiums than anything else. Giles would drop a ton of bombs in Yankee Stadium, while lefties aren't as favored in Fenway.

Danman1116
08-08-2008, 12:55 PM
well we're not gonna get him so it doesn't matter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3525421

Brian Giles has indicated that he will block a waiver deal that would have sent him to the Boston Red Sox, and an hour before the deadline for making a deal between the Padres and Red Sox, it appeared he would remain with San Diego.

Brian Giles

Giles

Giles, 37, was claimed on waivers by the Red Sox, and Boston and San Diego had 48 hours to make a deal. But the Red Sox are one of eight teams listed in the limited no-trade provision in his contract, and Giles has the right to veto any deal.

The Red Sox and Padres had been hopeful that a deal could be worked out -- Boston wanted Giles because of the offensive depth he would provide, and San Diego could have saved at least $6 million if the All-Star right fielder had accepted the move.

At 12:25 p.m. ET Friday, there was still about an hour in which Giles had the opportunity to change his mind, but it did not appear that would happen.

Giles, 37, is hitting .296 with a .391 on-base percentage, 61 walks and 44 strikeouts this season.

bagwell368
08-08-2008, 01:11 PM
EEI just read the Olney piece on air. Appears dead. Good move too block TB.

Next!

Crucis
08-08-2008, 01:12 PM
I bet it has more to do with the stadiums than anything else. Giles would drop a ton of bombs in Yankee Stadium, while lefties aren't as favored in Fenway.


That would make sense, I can respect THAT as a reason for a free agent to want to play in some places over others.

Crucis
08-08-2008, 01:15 PM
EEI just read the Olney piece on air. Appears dead. Good move too block TB.

Next!


It was probably worth more to block him from going to TB than it was to add him to the Sox roster.