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Hellcrooner
08-04-2008, 12:54 PM
Here are the CAtegories:

1 Title Contenders.

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

3 Second Line Contenders.

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Hellcrooner
08-04-2008, 01:00 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets,Spurs,Magic

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz,Sixers,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Suns,Nets,Cavs,Bulls,Heat,Wizzards

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors,Knicks,Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,Wolves,OKC,Bobcats,Hawks
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Ph1lly Diehard
08-04-2008, 01:07 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets,Spurs,Magic

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz,Sixers,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Suns,Cavs,Bulls,Heat,Wizards, Bucks

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks, Bobcats

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Pacers, Nets

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,Wolves,OKC,Hawks, Knicks

frizbo72
08-04-2008, 01:07 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Jazz, Celtics, Spurs

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets, Magic, Pistons

3 Second Line Contenders.

Houston, Sixers

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs, Suns, Nets, Cavs, Bulls, Wizzards

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers, Nuggets, Blazers, Raptors, Bucks, Heat

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Hawks, Knicks

Hawkeye15
08-04-2008, 01:16 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics, Hornets

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Spurs,Magic, Jazz

3 Second Line Contenders.

Cavs,Suns,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Sixers,Bulls,Heat,Wizzards

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks, Nets, Wolves

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors,Knicks,Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,OKC,Bobcats,Hawks

$ NyC $
08-04-2008, 01:17 PM
damn people already sayin we (the knicks and i ofcourse) are gonna suck..

well i kinda agree loll 5 at best, most likely 6, but 7 could and has a good chance of happening

MiamiHeat
08-04-2008, 01:20 PM
damn people already sayin we (the knicks and i ofcourse) are gonna suck..

well i kinda agree loll 5 at best, most likely 6, but 7 could and has a good chance of happening

:laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

MTone8788
08-04-2008, 01:33 PM
If you don't make the playoffs, you still have a chance at the top draft pick, you would just have less of a chance if your record is better than the worst teams...

JordansBulls
08-04-2008, 01:39 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics, Spurs

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets, Magic, Pistons

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz, Sixers, Cavs, Raptors, Suns, Mavs

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Heat, Wizards, Clippers, Nuggets

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Blazers, Bucks, Bulls

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Knicks,Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Hawks

conway429
08-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Most of you consider the 76ers to be 2nd line contenders, at par with the Pistons or Rockets?
While the Raptors are a borderline playoff team, with the likes of the Bucks, Clippers, Bobcats and T-Wolves...
Give me a break... Raptors will do better than the Sixers, I'll guarentee it.

cambovenzi
08-04-2008, 01:44 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets,Spurs,Magic

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz,Sixers,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Suns,Nets,Cavs,Bulls,Heat,Wizzards

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors,Knicks,Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,Wolves,OKC,Bobcats,Hawks
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you have 9 teams from the east as a lock to make the playoffs.:eyebrow:
mavs and suns are leagues above the other teams you put them with.

conway429
08-04-2008, 01:50 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Celtics, Spurs

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets, Magic, Pistons, Rockets

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz, Raptors, Suns

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Nuggets, Blazers, Sixers, Cavs, Mavs

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bucks, Bulls, Heat

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Knicks, Pacers, Clippers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Hawks

ink
08-04-2008, 01:51 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics, Spurs

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets, Magic, Pistons

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz, Sixers, Cavs, Raptors, Suns, Mavs

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Heat, Wizards, Clippers, Nuggets

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Blazers, Bucks, Bulls

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Knicks,Pacers

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Hawks

Good list. First balanced list I saw in the thread. And note JB has his own Bulls ranked in category 5, so it's not a biased assessment.

SportsFan1988
08-04-2008, 01:57 PM
1 Title Contenders.
Lakers vs Celtics. Other teams will have to prove to me that they're real title contenders.
2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals
Spurs and Hornets. They're the top echelon of teams that did not reach the finals last season, that serve as the biggest threat IMO.
3 Second Line Contenders.
Pistons, Cavs, Rockets, Jazz, Suns, Magic, and possibly the 76ers.
4 Playoff Bound but not contending.
Raptors, Hawks, Mavericks, Nuggets, Warriors, and Wizards.
5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.
Blazers, Nets, Bulls, Bobcats, and the Bucks.
6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.
Clippers, Pacers, Timberwolves and the Heat.
7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.
Grizzlies, Knicks, OKC, and Kings.

THE_FLASH_21
08-04-2008, 02:01 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets,Spurs,Magic

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz,Sixers,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Suns,Cavs,Bulls,Heat,Wizards, Bucks

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks, Bobcats

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Pacers, Nets

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,Wolves,OKC,Hawks, Knicks


U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

rapswin98
08-04-2008, 02:10 PM
1 title contenders

celtics, lakers,spurs

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

hornets,magic,rockets, pistons

3 Second Line Contenders.

jazz, sixers, raptors, suns, mavs

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

cavs, wizards, heat, nuggets

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

bulls, bucks, blazers, clippers

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

knicks, warriors, pacers, kings, hawks

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

grizzlies, okc, bobcats, wolves, nets

Ph1lly Diehard
08-04-2008, 02:16 PM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

Uhh, the Spurs and Hornets are better than you.. No question in my mind about that..
Magic are close, but I like them alot.

The Rockets, yes I do have them going somewhere, same with everyone else. A trio of Yao/Tmac/Artest is deadly. You'll see, don't worry.

I never said that Jazz were bad, but there 2nd tear contenders.

Kyle N.
08-04-2008, 02:24 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Celtics, Hornets

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Jazz, Pistons, Rockets, Spurs

3 Second Line Contenders.

Cavs, Suns, Sixers, Magic

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Blazers, Raptors, Mavs

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bulls, Heat, Warriors, Bucks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Nuggets, Knicks, Pacers, Clippers, Hawks

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Nets

mavwar53
08-04-2008, 02:32 PM
I'm very suprised that only one person has given the warriors any chance to get in the plaoffs and most people are putting the nuggets in, the nuggets lost their only line of defense in camby and nene is always a question of being healthy, they also lost a big bench piece in najera and still havn't signed the other bench piece J.R. Smith.

YankeeFan89
08-04-2008, 02:36 PM
Here are the CAtegories:

1 Title Contenders.
Rockets,Lakers,Celtics,Hornets
2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals
Spurs,Pistons,Suns,Mavericks,Cavs(always a contender with lebron)

agobbi17
08-04-2008, 02:39 PM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

THE ROCKETS WOULD SMASH ON THE JAZZ IF HEALTHY. EVERY1 KNOWS THIS.

Kyle N.
08-04-2008, 02:49 PM
I'm very suprised that only one person has given the warriors any chance to get in the plaoffs and most people are putting the nuggets in, the nuggets lost their only line of defense in camby and nene is always a question of being healthy, they also lost a big bench piece in najera and still havn't signed the other bench piece J.R. Smith.

Yeah, I don't think the Nuggets will make the playoffs. I guess they should be moved down then.

GSW fan
08-04-2008, 03:02 PM
why are people putting rockets at 1 when they dont have a point gaurd

JordansBulls
08-04-2008, 03:04 PM
why are people putting rockets at 1 when they dont have a point gaurd

The Celtics didn't either. Rondo is no better than Rafer.

fresh prince
08-04-2008, 03:07 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Rockets, Celtics, Sixers

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the Finals

Jazz, Pistons, Hornets, Spurs

3 Second Line Contenders.

Raptors, Magic

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Cavs, Blazers, Mavs, Clippers

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bobcats, Bulls, Heat, Nuggets, Bucks, Suns, Warriors

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Pacers, Hawks, Nets, Knicks,

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, Oklahoma,

rapswin98
08-04-2008, 03:12 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Rockets, Celtics, Sixerswhy?

black1605
08-04-2008, 03:51 PM
you all obviouslly know nothing bout the bobcats...time will tell i suppose

midwestmadman
08-04-2008, 03:51 PM
1.) Lakers, Hornets,Celtics,
2.) 76ers, Spurs, Pistons,Utah
3.) Houston, Orlando, Toronto, Suns
4.) Mavs, Chicago, Washington, Denver
5.) Heat, Blazers, The Clip, Hawks, Warriors
6.) Kings, Pacers, Bucks, Nets
7.) Knicks, Grizz, Sonics / OKC, T-Wolves

blackjack_119
08-04-2008, 04:21 PM
damn people already sayin we (the knicks and i ofcourse) are gonna suck..

well i kinda agree loll 5 at best, most likely 6, but 7 could and has a good chance of happening

Please tell me that you were referring to your lottery pick in 2009 and not your playoff seed.

pwest6
08-04-2008, 04:51 PM
Why does everyone hate on the Pacers?? We were a five last year and all we've done is got way better this offseason. Correct me if I don't have a point...

cmellofan15
08-04-2008, 04:57 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Celtics, Hornets

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the Finals

Jazz, Pistons, Spurs, Rockets, Raptors

3 Second Line Contenders.

Magic, Mavericks

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Cavs, Blazers

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bobcats, Bulls, Heat, Nuggets, Bucks, Suns, Hawks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Pacers, Nets, Knicks,

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, Oklahoma,

F15Eagle
08-04-2008, 05:26 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers, Celtics, Hornets

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the Finals

Jazz, Pistons, Spurs, Rockets, Raptors

3 Second Line Contenders.

Magic, Mavericks

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Cavs, Blazers

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bobcats, Bulls, Heat, Nuggets, Bucks, Suns, Hawks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Pacers, Nets, Knicks,

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Grizzlies, Wolves, Oklahoma,



Denver Nuggets will make the playoffs, as long as Iverson is with them, and will be a contender once the problem of an experienced Center that block shots etc is solved. Thus, do not underrate the Nuggets. They have A.I..

fresh prince
08-04-2008, 05:27 PM
you all obviouslly know nothing bout the bobcats...time will tell i suppose

Hey I put them in as likely for the playoffs. I'm not sleeping

fresh prince
08-04-2008, 05:34 PM
why?

I think the Sixers match up really well with the Celtics and thats the only team I see beating them in a 7 game series:

So assuming they get by a Toronto or Orlando in the 2nd round I see them matching up with either the Pistons who they almost beat w/out Brand or the Celtics who I think they could beat for the following reasons

1.Brand and Dalembert can trade off guarding KG. and keep him on the perimeter. Both are great defenders

2. Andre Miller is too big for Rando..He will be able to get where ever he wants on the floor.

3. Iggy and Thad Young have the athleticism to bother pierce and Ray Ray..Tony Allen steps into the James Posey role for the C's and while Allen is nice he's not Posey

4. I like the 76rs bench with: Kareem Rush , Lou Williams Willie Green, Reggie Evans over the Celtics bench minus Posey

fresh prince
08-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Why does everyone hate on the Pacers?? We were a five last year and all we've done is got way better this offseason. Correct me if I don't have a point...

How did you get Way better? You added TJ Ford and Jack both good players (TJ great at times) but PG wasn't really a weakness. Tinsley and Diener is a good 1 to punch

Nestorovic was better than ever last year. I wouldn't count on the same production. and Hibbert and Rush are rookies so you never know what to expect.

More importantly..You lost your best player (who never played anyways) and your most consistent bench player in Kareem Rush. All things considered I'd say it's either a wash or you guys could have gotten slightly worse. Definitely not way better. Unless Granger and Dunleavy both improve on last seasons performances which is also up for debate.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
08-04-2008, 06:23 PM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!


are you serious the jazz is a joke compare to the rockets.

mariotubes
08-04-2008, 10:36 PM
not too sure why everyone thinks the raps are gonna be on the border for makin the playoffs

Ph1lly Diehard
08-04-2008, 10:46 PM
I think the Sixers match up really well with the Celtics and thats the only team I see beating them in a 7 game series:

So assuming they get by a Toronto or Orlando in the 2nd round I see them matching up with either the Pistons who they almost beat w/out Brand or the Celtics who I think they could beat for the following reasons

1.Brand and Dalembert can trade off guarding KG. and keep him on the perimeter. Both are great defenders

2. Andre Miller is too big for Rando..He will be able to get where ever he wants on the floor.

3. Iggy and Thad Young have the athleticism to bother pierce and Ray Ray..Tony Allen steps into the James Posey role for the C's and while Allen is nice he's not Posey

4. I like the 76rs bench with: Kareem Rush , Lou Williams Willie Green, Reggie Evans over the Celtics bench minus Posey


Finally someone appreciating our bench.. and recognizing Thaddeus Young. Appreciate it.

But ya, this guy sums it up basically.

Add Ivey to the bench though, it makes it look better :p

pwest6
08-04-2008, 11:17 PM
How did you get Way better? You added TJ Ford and Jack both good players (TJ great at times) but PG wasn't really a weakness. Tinsley and Diener is a good 1 to punch

Nestorovic was better than ever last year. I wouldn't count on the same production. and Hibbert and Rush are rookies so you never know what to expect.

More importantly..You lost your best player (who never played anyways) and your most consistent bench player in Kareem Rush. All things considered I'd say it's either a wash or you guys could have gotten slightly worse. Definitely not way better. Unless Granger and Dunleavy both improve on last seasons performances which is also up for debate.

J.O. was NOT our best player last year. Dunleavy and Granger were clearly better than him. Kareem was NOT our most consistent bench player, Marquis Daniels was. We got rid our our "best player" to add a starting point guard who is perfect for our offense, and a solid big. (How could you not count on the same production from Rasho, he's put up the same numbers every year?).

Tinsley and Diener weren't a 1-2 punch at all, Tinsley hardly played half a season. Granger WILL improve on last season's numbers, Dunleavy probably won't. And chad ford seems to like what we've been doing so far.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Offseason-080804&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

So I don't see what you're not seeing.:)

lakers4sho
08-04-2008, 11:29 PM
are you serious the jazz is a joke compare to the rockets.

The Jazz are a proven Western conference powers. Don't get too high yet just 'cause you guys got Artest.

ShaunRiching9
08-04-2008, 11:35 PM
As long as Bosh and O'neal stay healthy then the raps are def going to the playoffs possibly 2nd round

Kyle N.
08-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Why does everyone hate on the Pacers?? We were a five last year and all we've done is got way better this offseason. Correct me if I don't have a point...

I don't think anybody is hating on the Pacers. I just don't think they'll make the playoffs. I see at least 8 teams better than them. If they make the playoffs then great, I'm not saying it's impossible. They just have something to prove.

SAVAGE CLAW
08-05-2008, 12:26 AM
1 Title Contenders=Celtics,Pistons,Hornets,Spurs,Lakers,

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals=Magic,Rockets,Jazz

3 Second Line Contenders.=Cavs,Mavericks

4 Playoff Bound but not contending=Sixers,Bulls,Suns

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin=Raptors,Knicks(I can dream :o) ),Nets ,Wizzards,Heat,Pacers,Bucks,Blazers.

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick=Bobcats,Grizzlies,Kings,Nuggets.

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two=Hawks,Clippers,Warriors,Wolves,Sonics.

val_modus
08-05-2008, 02:40 AM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

Very brilliant assesment
The Rockets ofcourse wont go anywhere, i mean its all Tracy McGrady's fault, the guy flat out sucks, just look at last year, he took a 100% Jazz team to 6 games with the help of #2 scorer Luis Scola, i mean it just doesnt get better than that, and a couple years ago when he took em to 7, oh man that was alllll on him, just look at his supporting cast aside from Yao, straight studs. Well now that they have Artest the most uncoachabe player ever whos had 3 techs in the past 3 years they have degraded even more, i mean seriously they cant get worse... oh wait i spoke to soon, they got a few guys named Brooks, Landry, Scola, Barry, and Dorsey, these guys couldnt even contribute to the previous squads they played for so what should change, with the addition of all these scrubs and Utah moving into the upper echelon with future hall of famer Kyle Korver i couldnt agree more with your analysis :clap:

DaddyCool
08-05-2008, 03:32 AM
Most of you consider the 76ers to be 2nd line contenders, at par with the Pistons or Rockets?
While the Raptors are a borderline playoff team, with the likes of the Bucks, Clippers, Bobcats and T-Wolves...
Give me a break... Raptors will do better than the Sixers, I'll guarentee it.

Sixers are more balanced. Raptors have a damn good frontline but then you also have Jamario Moon and Anthony Parker starting. Sixers have a good inside-outside combo in Iggy and Brand. We've adressed all our needs in the offseason.

Inside Presence: Check (Brand)
Outside Shooting: Check (Rush)

The Sixers don't really have any glaring weakness except for experience which is fine since they are a young team.

fresh prince
08-05-2008, 12:45 PM
J.O. was NOT our best player last year. Dunleavy and Granger were clearly better than him. Kareem was NOT our most consistent bench player, Marquis Daniels was. We got rid our our "best player" to add a starting point guard who is perfect for our offense, and a solid big. (How could you not count on the same production from Rasho, he's put up the same numbers every year?).

Tinsley and Diener weren't a 1-2 punch at all, Tinsley hardly played half a season. Granger WILL improve on last season's numbers, Dunleavy probably won't. And chad ford seems to like what we've been doing so far.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Offseason-080804&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

So I don't see what you're not seeing.:)

If you say so..I guess we shall see. But Chad Ford also calls the Clippers Losers form this off season..So I wouldn't put too much stock in his statements. Also how does Rasho put up the same stats every year?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3260/career;_ylt=AukDBF2tF5k7UiDfB1MSPgukvLYF

You mean by pretty much sucking on a consistent basis? Last years 8 ppg and 5 rpg season was pretty much an explosion for what he had been averaging

brandt
08-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Very brilliant assesment
The Rockets ofcourse wont go anywhere, i mean its all Tracy McGrady's fault, the guy flat out sucks, just look at last year, he took a 100% Jazz team to 6 games with the help of #2 scorer Luis Scola, i mean it just doesnt get better than that, and a couple years ago when he took em to 7, oh man that was alllll on him, just look at his supporting cast aside from Yao, straight studs. Well now that they have Artest the most uncoachabe player ever whos had 3 techs in the past 3 years they have degraded even more, i mean seriously they cant get worse... oh wait i spoke to soon, they got a few guys named Brooks, Landry, Scola, Barry, and Dorsey, these guys couldnt even contribute to the previous squads they played for so what should change, with the addition of all these scrubs and Utah moving into the upper echelon with future hall of famer Kyle Korver i couldnt agree more with your analysis :clap:


Obviously you are a Utah fan. Tracy McGrady flat out sucks? What the h*** are you smoking? People like you don't realize that ever since he joined the Rockets, it's ALL been on him. He's not as much of a superstar as he used to be, so it's highly unlikely for him to carry this team all by himself. But when the Rockets fail, the blame falls on him because he's still one of the best players if not THE BEST PLAYER on that team. He averaged over 20 points a game last year. Yeah, TMAC sucks. lol! Yao and T-Mac always got hurt because they were basically the only go to guys, and never had a chance to rest. Now they have Artest and J. Barry, so Yao and Tracy don't have to worry about trying to carry the entire team by themselves. I think it was the year before last when The Rockets took the playoff series with the Jazz to 7 games? I don't even think they were healthy THEN either and they still took them to 7 games. This year they won two games in the playoff series angainst the Jazz without Yao Ming and probably shouldn't have won any. So what makes you think Utah will be much better when their team hasn't changed much and Now the Rockets will have Yao and Artest?


oh wait i spoke to soon, they got a few guys named Brooks, Landry, Scola, Barry, and Dorsey, these guys couldnt even contribute to the previous squads they played for so what should change:clap:

Scrubs? You haven't been paying attention because none of those guys even played in the NBA before last year except for Barry and he DID contribute to his previous squad. 2 NBA championships? Scola had almost 850 points his Rookie season last year with the Rockets. Landry and Brooks did pretty well as Rookies too and they're only going to get better. Dorsey played with Memphis last year and almost won the Championship. Do a little research next time you go slamming guys when you have no idea!

pwest6
08-05-2008, 04:21 PM
If you say so..I guess we shall see. But Chad Ford also calls the Clippers Losers form this off season..So I wouldn't put too much stock in his statements. Also how does Rasho put up the same stats every year?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3260/career;_ylt=AukDBF2tF5k7UiDfB1MSPgukvLYF

You mean by pretty much sucking on a consistent basis? Last years 8 ppg and 5 rpg season was pretty much an explosion for what he had been averaging

He has been averaging basically the same numbers his entire career except for the 2002-2003 season. Last year was his 4th best season ever. Not much of an explosion.

phillyphan4ever
08-05-2008, 04:31 PM
1 Title Contenders.

Lakers,Rockets,Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets,Spurs,Magic

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz,Sixers,Pistons

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Mavs,Suns,Cavs,Bulls,Heat,Wizards, Bucks

5 Could do pLayoffs or miss by a small margin.

Clippers,Nuggets,Blazers;Raptors,Bucks, Bobcats

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Pacers, Nets

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month ot two.

Grizzlies,Wolves,OKC,Hawks, Knicks

did you copy and paste hellcroomers?

dawgsfan_45
08-05-2008, 04:31 PM
So im guessing everyone that have the hawks last are assuming that we are not getting smoove. I think we will be just as good or even better if we resign him. Mo evans is not that much worse than chills.

smackdown12
08-05-2008, 04:42 PM
:mad:


rockets will be a championship contender.. tmac yao artest will carry the team

val_modus
08-07-2008, 01:34 AM
Obviously you are a Utah fan. Tracy McGrady flat out sucks? What the h*** are you smoking? People like you don't realize that ever since he joined the Rockets, it's ALL been on him. He's not as much of a superstar as he used to be, so it's highly unlikely for him to carry this team all by himself. But when the Rockets fail, the blame falls on him because he's still one of the best players if not THE BEST PLAYER on that team. He averaged over 20 points a game last year. Yeah, TMAC sucks. lol! Yao and T-Mac always got hurt because they were basically the only go to guys, and never had a chance to rest. Now they have Artest and J. Barry, so Yao and Tracy don't have to worry about trying to carry the entire team by themselves. I think it was the year before last when The Rockets took the playoff series with the Jazz to 7 games? I don't even think they were healthy THEN either and they still took them to 7 games. This year they won two games in the playoff series angainst the Jazz without Yao Ming and probably shouldn't have won any. So what makes you think Utah will be much better when their team hasn't changed much and Now the Rockets will have Yao and Artest?



Scrubs? You haven't been paying attention because none of those guys even played in the NBA before last year except for Barry and he DID contribute to his previous squad. 2 NBA championships? Scola had almost 850 points his Rookie season last year with the Rockets. Landry and Brooks did pretty well as Rookies too and they're only going to get better. Dorsey played with Memphis last year and almost won the Championship. Do a little research next time you go slamming guys when you have no idea!






LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha bro i was being sarcastic, read my original post and quote hah dude, how did u think i was being serious im a rox fan

kurtismurray
08-07-2008, 02:06 AM
THE ROCKETS WOULD SMASH ON THE JAZZ IF HEALTHY. EVERY1 KNOWS THIS.

Correct me if Im wrong buddy. But, in 2007 weren't you all healthy when Jazz won on the road in 7? Then again in 2008. Bring on Artest. He's an animal that just brings controversy to the teams he comes to. Look at the teams he's been on. THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CONTENDERS before he got there. example. Indiana was good even after Reggie Miller retired then he started playin and look at em now. still recovering. In Sacramento. What the hell happened there? With Bibby, Martin, Artest and Miller? Thats pretty deadly. But of course Artest screwed em up. T-Mac can't get out of the first round. Cry baby. And the ENTIRE Rockets team including Adelman COMPLAINED and cried about the Jazz physical play. ITS THE NBA. ROCKETS ARE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES WHO NEED TO GROW UP! Jazz own them! 3-1 in 2007 and winning record in 08. You can't say you would smash the jazz if healthy. Just makin excuses.

horry1ur
08-07-2008, 03:31 AM
Obviously you are a Utah fan. Tracy McGrady flat out sucks? What the h*** are you smoking? People like you don't realize that ever since he joined the Rockets, it's ALL been on him. He's not as much of a superstar as he used to be, so it's highly unlikely for him to carry this team all by himself. But when the Rockets fail, the blame falls on him because he's still one of the best players if not THE BEST PLAYER on that team. He averaged over 20 points a game last year. Yeah, TMAC sucks. lol! Yao and T-Mac always got hurt because they were basically the only go to guys, and never had a chance to rest. Now they have Artest and J. Barry, so Yao and Tracy don't have to worry about trying to carry the entire team by themselves. I think it was the year before last when The Rockets took the playoff series with the Jazz to 7 games? I don't even think they were healthy THEN either and they still took them to 7 games. This year they won two games in the playoff series angainst the Jazz without Yao Ming and probably shouldn't have won any. So what makes you think Utah will be much better when their team hasn't changed much and Now the Rockets will have Yao and Artest?



Scrubs? You haven't been paying attention because none of those guys even played in the NBA before last year except for Barry and he DID contribute to his previous squad. 2 NBA championships? Scola had almost 850 points his Rookie season last year with the Rockets. Landry and Brooks did pretty well as Rookies too and they're only going to get better. Dorsey played with Memphis last year and almost won the Championship. Do a little research next time you go slamming guys when you have no idea!


Whoa! chill man the man was being sarcastic:)

fredv
08-07-2008, 10:49 AM
1 Title Contenders.(however, once you get to the finals, anything can happen)

Lakers, Celtics

2 Contenders with a Real shot to make the FInals

Hornets, Pistons, Rockets, Cavs

3 Second Line Contenders.

Jazz, Blazers, Magic, Spurs

4 Playoff Bound but not contending.

Wizards, Nuggets, Sixers, Mavs, Suns, Heat

5 Could make playoffs or miss by a small margin.

Bucks, Bulls, Clippers, Hawks

6 Not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good for a top Draft Pick.

Kings, Warriors, Knicks, Pacers, Grizzlies

7 Bottom of the class, Tanking after a month or two.

Wolves, OKC, Bobcats, Nets

Ph1lly Diehard
08-07-2008, 11:02 AM
did you copy and paste hellcroomers?

No, I changed some things up, but I agreed with him on the most part.

Kianwe
08-07-2008, 11:03 AM
Very brilliant assesment
The Rockets ofcourse wont go anywhere, i mean its all Tracy McGrady's fault, the guy flat out sucks, just look at last year, he took a 100% Jazz team to 6 games with the help of #2 scorer Luis Scola, i mean it just doesnt get better than that, and a couple years ago when he took em to 7, oh man that was alllll on him, just look at his supporting cast aside from Yao, straight studs. Well now that they have Artest the most uncoachabe player ever whos had 3 techs in the past 3 years they have degraded even more, i mean seriously they cant get worse... oh wait i spoke to soon, they got a few guys named Brooks, Landry, Scola, Barry, and Dorsey, these guys couldnt even contribute to the previous squads they played for so what should change, with the addition of all these scrubs and Utah moving into the upper echelon with future hall of famer Kyle Korver i couldnt agree more with your analysis :clap:

High Five!:hi5:

mjrballer13
08-07-2008, 11:20 AM
Obviously you are a Utah fan. Tracy McGrady flat out sucks? What the h*** are you smoking? People like you don't realize that ever since he joined the Rockets, it's ALL been on him. He's not as much of a superstar as he used to be, so it's highly unlikely for him to carry this team all by himself. But when the Rockets fail, the blame falls on him because he's still one of the best players if not THE BEST PLAYER on that team. He averaged over 20 points a game last year. Yeah, TMAC sucks. lol! Yao and T-Mac always got hurt because they were basically the only go to guys, and never had a chance to rest. Now they have Artest and J. Barry, so Yao and Tracy don't have to worry about trying to carry the entire team by themselves. I think it was the year before last when The Rockets took the playoff series with the Jazz to 7 games? I don't even think they were healthy THEN either and they still took them to 7 games. This year they won two games in the playoff series angainst the Jazz without Yao Ming and probably shouldn't have won any. So what makes you think Utah will be much better when their team hasn't changed much and Now the Rockets will have Yao and Artest?



Scrubs? You haven't been paying attention because none of those guys even played in the NBA before last year except for Barry and he DID contribute to his previous squad. 2 NBA championships? Scola had almost 850 points his Rookie season last year with the Rockets. Landry and Brooks did pretty well as Rookies too and they're only going to get better. Dorsey played with Memphis last year and almost won the Championship. Do a little research next time you go slamming guys when you have no idea!

The dude called Kyle Korver a hall of famer, you really couldnt tell he was being sarcastic?

fredv
08-07-2008, 01:54 PM
The Jazz suck. They only get past the first round each year because they play injured teams. There game is ugly they play will fouls all the time. Really an ugly type of game. I hate the Jazz and most of all the Jazz fans. Always using this argument:"You can't get past the first round". But what do you guys think is better: 1- Not being able to get out of the first round for a couple of years but winning back to back championships just before.
2- Or maybe you prefer your situation: Getting in the playoffs 19 years in a row but not ever going all the way.

I know what I prefer...

MilwaukeeBAller
08-07-2008, 02:21 PM
1. Lakers, Celtics, Spurs
2. Hornets, Rockets, Cavs
3. Suns, Pistons, Jazz
4. Mavs, Magic, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards
5. Nuggets, Bucks, Blazers, Heat, Pacers, Bulls
6. Hawks, Clippers, Kings, Warriors, Nets
7. Knicks, Bobcats, Wolves, Thunder, Grizzlies

THE_FLASH_21
08-07-2008, 06:29 PM
THE ROCKETS WOULD SMASH ON THE JAZZ IF HEALTHY. EVERY1 KNOWS THIS.


What's happend the last 2 years ???? Dwill just keeps getting better and better!!! where's ur awnser??? Utah were a shot away from taking the lakers to 7 games.... Wern't the soft Rockets crying how rough the Jazz play!!!??? u guys have two play makers.. a injury prone.. and a Not-So-Super Star in BigMac..

We have a prospect in Morris Almond who should be in our team starting this coming season.... This guy will be better then Tmac.. REMEMBER MORRIS ALMOND!!

THE_FLASH_21
08-07-2008, 06:34 PM
The Jazz suck. They only get past the first round each year because they play injured teams. There game is ugly they play will fouls all the time. Really an ugly type of game. I hate the Jazz and most of all the Jazz fans. Always using this argument:"You can't get past the first round". But what do you guys think is better: 1- Not being able to get out of the first round for a couple of years but winning back to back championships just before.
2- Or maybe you prefer your situation: Getting in the playoffs 19 years in a row but not ever going all the way.

I know what I prefer...

quit ur *****ing.... U guys suck.... all these damn excuses... "if they wern't this" and "if they had him" Yao ain't gonna stay with the damn Rockets he's not that dumb.. let his contract expire and his gone...


TMAC(( "If we don't get out of the first round it's on me!!!")) LOL u guys are a joke... u guys went into the playoffs as one of the hottest teams... OPPs what happend????

THE_FLASH_21
08-07-2008, 06:40 PM
are you serious the jazz is a joke compare to the rockets.


The only joke is we beat u guys 2 years in a row... and I believe game 7 at ur home.. Or how about when Stockton hit that 3 over barkley to go to the finals???

fredv
08-07-2008, 06:49 PM
quit ur *****ing.... U guys suck.... all these damn excuses... "if they wern't this" and "if they had him" Yao ain't gonna stay with the damn Rockets he's not that dumb.. let his contract expire and his gone...


TMAC(( "If we don't get out of the first round it's on me!!!")) LOL u guys are a joke... u guys went into the playoffs as one of the hottest teams... OPPs what happend????

How does that respond to my quote? Your a joke. The Jazz are a joke. Whole Utah is a joke. Go shoot a bear or something.

fredv
08-07-2008, 06:54 PM
The only joke is we beat u guys 2 years in a row... and I believe game 7 at ur home.. Or how about when Stockton hit that 3 over barkley to go to the finals???

What happened after? cough.. cough.. cough..

How many championships you ever won? Z-E-R-O.

Utah will never be what the Rockets are. You guys had to good players in Stockton and Malone and you never got nothing out of them. We had Hakeem and Drexler and they got the business done.
Today its going to be the same deal. I'm not the kind of guy to be biased and put my team on a pedestal (go check the rankings I did earlier), but come on, we both no that with Yao in the playoffs last year you guys where over... This year, come playoff time, we will talk again.
Quote me on this if you wish:"If the healthy Rockets lose in the playoffs to a healthy Utah Jazz team this season, I will buy a dwill jersey".

Hawkeye15
08-07-2008, 07:01 PM
What happened after? cough.. cough.. cough..

How many championships you ever won? Z-E-R-O.

Utah will never be what the Rockets are. You guys had to good players in Stockton and Malone and you never got nothing out of them. We had Hakeem and Drexler and they got the business done.
Today its going to be the same deal. I'm not the kind of guy to be biased and put my team on a pedestal (go check the rankings I did earlier), but come on, we both no that with Yao in the playoffs last year you guys where over... This year, come playoff time, we will talk again.
Quote me on this if you wish:"If the healthy Rockets lose in the playoffs to a healthy Utah Jazz team this season, I will buy a dwill jersey".

I am a Rockets fan but I don't see how any Rockets fan can seriously think Yao or TMac are going to make it thru the season until they prove it. Yao plays 12 months a year on feet that carry over 300 lbs. He will never be healthy unless he gets rest. The Rockets should just sit him all of training camp, then let him work in until he is fully ready to go game 20. They can float at 13-7 without him easy. That is the only way I see them being around late in May.

Bosh=nextKG
08-07-2008, 07:05 PM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

wow, either u are from utah and u have watched a little bit of the NBA or u have never watched an nba game. you have Utah with the Lakers and Celts?? You have them above the Hornets and Rockets? Wow. The Rockets will contend for a title for sure and the Hornets will make run towards the title.

fredv
08-07-2008, 07:17 PM
I am a Rockets fan but I don't see how any Rockets fan can seriously think Yao or TMac are going to make it thru the season until they prove it. Yao plays 12 months a year on feet that carry over 300 lbs. He will never be healthy unless he gets rest. The Rockets should just sit him all of training camp, then let him work in until he is fully ready to go game 20. They can float at 13-7 without him easy. That is the only way I see them being around late in May.

Thats why they got a guy like Artest who can score point and thats why they are looking for a backup center or would like to sign Deke back. Thats also why they drafted Dorsey.

kurtismurray
08-07-2008, 10:11 PM
I can't believe all these Rocket Fans. Are you guys serious? Stop making ****ing excuses because of health. Thats your whole argument. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2007.? Pretty sure you were all healthy and had the same players, cept' you didn't have Scola! You guys were just as good. Boozer owned Yao on offense. Deron burned Alston and T-Mac was tryin to carry it all on him. What a joke. Then he CRIES afterwards. Then in 2008 the Rockets COMPLAIN AND CRY the Jazz play too physical. ITS THE NBA NOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL playground pick up games. I know T-Mac and Adelman might like that. But grow up. Thats how basketball is. ITS PHYSICAL. STOP YOUR EXCUSES AND STOP YOUR CRYING. Grow up. Utah has a better all around team than Houston. you guys have NO bench. We got Korver, Knight, Millsap, Harpring. Bring on Artest. Harpring beats him up everytime. GO JAzz.

1. Boston, LA, Utah, New Orleans
2. Houston, San Antonio,
3. Phoenix, Cleveland, Portland, Orlando
WHO CARES BOUT THE REST.

Jay22Redd
08-07-2008, 11:11 PM
I can't believe all these Rocket Fans. Are you guys serious? Stop making ****ing excuses because of health. Thats your whole argument. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2007.? Pretty sure you were all healthy and had the same players, cept' you didn't have Scola! You guys were just as good. Boozer owned Yao on offense. Deron burned Alston and T-Mac was tryin to carry it all on him. What a joke. Then he CRIES afterwards. Then in 2008 the Rockets COMPLAIN AND CRY the Jazz play too physical. ITS THE NBA NOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL playground pick up games. I know T-Mac and Adelman might like that. But grow up. Thats how basketball is. ITS PHYSICAL. STOP YOUR EXCUSES AND STOP YOUR CRYING. Grow up. Utah has a better all around team than Houston. you guys have NO bench. We got Korver, Knight, Millsap, Harpring. Bring on Artest. Harpring beats him up everytime. GO JAzz.

1. Boston, LA, Utah, New Orleans
2. Houston, San Antonio,
3. Phoenix, Cleveland, Portland, Orlando
WHO CARES BOUT THE REST.

It's always a good matchup between Harpring and Artest. Both gets the fans involved into the game when they play each other. The Jazz are a good team, I'm not going to doubt them that, and yes the rockets are a good team as well. Players and coaches on other teams even say it. Yeah, the Rox argued that the jazz wuz too physical, but now we have Artest. Practicing with Artest everyday will help T-Mac out alot. If we face the Jazz in the playoffs again, its going to be fun.

Yao facing Okur.

Scola on Boozer, who by the way did nothing in the series against the Rox last season.

Artest facing AK47, great matchup.

T-Mac killing Brewer/Korver as always.

D-Will destroying Alston, sorry Rafer.

And the bench, which is going to be big for both teams.

val_modus
08-07-2008, 11:21 PM
I can't believe all these Rocket Fans. Are you guys serious? Stop making ****ing excuses because of health. Thats your whole argument. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2007.? Pretty sure you were all healthy and had the same players, cept' you didn't have Scola! You guys were just as good. Boozer owned Yao on offense. Deron burned Alston and T-Mac was tryin to carry it all on him. What a joke. Then he CRIES afterwards. Then in 2008 the Rockets COMPLAIN AND CRY the Jazz play too physical. ITS THE NBA NOT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL playground pick up games. I know T-Mac and Adelman might like that. But grow up. Thats how basketball is. ITS PHYSICAL. STOP YOUR EXCUSES AND STOP YOUR CRYING. Grow up. Utah has a better all around team than Houston. you guys have NO bench. We got Korver, Knight, Millsap, Harpring. Bring on Artest. Harpring beats him up everytime. GO JAzz.

1. Boston, LA, Utah, New Orleans
2. Houston, San Antonio,
3. Phoenix, Cleveland, Portland, Orlando
WHO CARES BOUT THE REST.


Another great argument by another smart Utah fan, look man we gave you guys props for beating us and getting to the WCF, but face it, u just didnt beat a healthy team, infact that wasnt even our team, the WHOLE concept changed when Yao and even Rafer are out. Thats right we didnt have Scola, but thats no big deal hes only a starter on a team that won 22 in a row and is a nobody, oh and ur forgetting about this other scrub Landry, the guy who blocked ur best players game winning shot after breaking his tooth, ya we are reaaaal babys. oh man i just keep forgetting all these scrubs, i forgot about Ron Artest, iv never heard of the guy cuz hes just a nobody but i mean hes no upgrade from what we had in 07 so im just gonna not talk about him, hmmmm oh ya theres this other guy we didnt have in 07, im sure u havent heard of him cuz he sucks his names Brooks and u might remember him blowing by Utah defenders for layups when he played and hes only getting better, but thats just me, hes probably a nobody anyway. DAMN this is just not my day, theres this other guy named Brent Barry, dont worry bout him though hes just a three point shooting guy who makes game winners for an old championship team, forget i mentioned him, hes not good enough to play at Utahs level, my bad for bringing this discussion up its just Houston keeps getting worse every year and Utah just wont stop adding key players and stars, theyr just toooo goooood!!!

kurtismurray
08-08-2008, 01:12 AM
Another great argument by another smart Utah fan, look man we gave you guys props for beating us and getting to the WCF, but face it, u just didnt beat a healthy team, infact that wasnt even our team, the WHOLE concept changed when Yao and even Rafer are out. Thats right we didnt have Scola, but thats no big deal hes only a starter on a team that won 22 in a row and is a nobody, oh and ur forgetting about this other scrub Landry, the guy who blocked ur best players game winning shot after breaking his tooth, ya we are reaaaal babys. oh man i just keep forgetting all these scrubs, i forgot about Ron Artest, iv never heard of the guy cuz hes just a nobody but i mean hes no upgrade from what we had in 07 so im just gonna not talk about him, hmmmm oh ya theres this other guy we didnt have in 07, im sure u havent heard of him cuz he sucks his names Brooks and u might remember him blowing by Utah defenders for layups when he played and hes only getting better, but thats just me, hes probably a nobody anyway. DAMN this is just not my day, theres this other guy named Brent Barry, dont worry bout him though hes just a three point shooting guy who makes game winners for an old championship team, forget i mentioned him, hes not good enough to play at Utahs level, my bad for bringing this discussion up its just Houston keeps getting worse every year and Utah just wont stop adding key players and stars, theyr just toooo goooood!!!

WTF? Shut the hell up man. Great Sarcastic remarks. I'm not saying Houston is a bad team. They have upgraded their team like CRAZY! Houston is a contender. But you can't count Utah out either. I think Utah is just as good if not better than Houston. Btw, I don't remember Brooks blowing by Utahs defense. And I'm not sure if you've heard of this guy Deron Williams. He's a nobody I mean, only the top 2 PG in the NBA, But I guess Brooks is number 1 eh? T-Mac is great but look at his 4th quarter production last playoffs. Really came up big there didn't he? Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS LANDRY! You made a good play blocking an out of control last second lay up! That was def. a series saver for you guys right? Considering you guys lost the series. Wow. Brent Barry, a real threat? haha. Kyle Korver to match that ****. As a Houston fan above you said the Artest vs. Harpring matchup is good. I love that match up, Obviously Artest is better but Harpring bullies him around. And btw, Boozer did destroy Yao in 2007, look at his stats, especially in game 7. All I ask, is stop making excuses for the last 2 years for why we beat you guys. I admit, losing Yao is HUGE! But it's not like you guys struggled without him winning 22 straight. I think Houston is a dangerous team this upcoming season with him. But no way T-Mac, Yao, Artest and Barry will stay healthy this whole season. Until you beat Utah EVEN in a SEASON series you can talk, we've won the regular season series against you guys or tied atleast the last 4 years. And playoffs twice in the last 2 seasons. Lets compare...
D-Will>Alston
Brewer<T-Mac, but Utah has more depth at SG. Korver, CJ.
AK=Artest
Boozer>>>Scola
Memo a little less than Yao.

So, I think Utah and Houston are evenly matched. They're both great teams and contenders.

roo3flash
08-08-2008, 01:46 AM
utah is consistent...rockets are good but not good enought for the jazz...ron artest my 3rd favorite player after d will and d wade is not gonna help you guys...mcgrady takes to many bad shots and both him and yao are injury prone...you guys to me are a top 6 team in the leauge but im not sure if your better than the jazz...all we need is for carlos to play the same on d and o and where final contestant...also we need both memhet and boozer not to choke during the playoffs...one more thing T Mac is overated...he takes to many shots on a team he doesnt have too...no very good on defense...and is either on or off.

THE_FLASH_21
08-08-2008, 01:53 AM
What happened after? cough.. cough.. cough..

How many championships you ever won? Z-E-R-O.

Utah will never be what the Rockets are. You guys had to good players in Stockton and Malone and you never got nothing out of them. We had Hakeem and Drexler and they got the business done.
Today its going to be the same deal. I'm not the kind of guy to be biased and put my team on a pedestal (go check the rankings I did earlier), but come on, we both no that with Yao in the playoffs last year you guys where over... This year, come playoff time, we will talk again.
Quote me on this if you wish:"If the healthy Rockets lose in the playoffs to a healthy Utah Jazz team this season, I will buy a dwill jersey".


It's kinda cute how people are calling this a rivalry... but the last time I check'd a rivalry is two people who beat up on each other... Oh wait?? How many time have the Rockets beat utah??? "0" And the only reason u guys won those rings was because MR.23 wasn't playing.. U guys wouldn't of had ****!!!! I wouldn't want to buy a Tmac jersey.. because he's that Good player nobody wants... Toronto, Orlando, Houston.. where would he land next????

THE_FLASH_21
08-08-2008, 01:55 AM
wow, either u are from utah and u have watched a little bit of the NBA or u have never watched an nba game. you have Utah with the Lakers and Celts?? You have them above the Hornets and Rockets? Wow. The Rockets will contend for a title for sure and the Hornets will make run towards the title.


I'm actually born and raised in Los Angeles... Where the hell do u get this crap Houston is actually good???? Hornets??? LOL Utah owns them.. And Dwill punks Paul all the time.. know ur facts!!

THE_FLASH_21
08-08-2008, 01:58 AM
WTF? Shut the hell up man. Great Sarcastic remarks. I'm not saying Houston is a bad team. They have upgraded their team like CRAZY! Houston is a contender. But you can't count Utah out either. I think Utah is just as good if not better than Houston. Btw, I don't remember Brooks blowing by Utahs defense. And I'm not sure if you've heard of this guy Deron Williams. He's a nobody I mean, only the top 2 PG in the NBA, But I guess Brooks is number 1 eh? T-Mac is great but look at his 4th quarter production last playoffs. Really came up big there didn't he? Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS LANDRY! You made a good play blocking an out of control last second lay up! That was def. a series saver for you guys right? Considering you guys lost the series. Wow. Brent Barry, a real threat? haha. Kyle Korver to match that ****. As a Houston fan above you said the Artest vs. Harpring matchup is good. I love that match up, Obviously Artest is better but Harpring bullies him around. And btw, Boozer did destroy Yao in 2007, look at his stats, especially in game 7. All I ask, is stop making excuses for the last 2 years for why we beat you guys. I admit, losing Yao is HUGE! But it's not like you guys struggled without him winning 22 straight. I think Houston is a dangerous team this upcoming season with him. But no way T-Mac, Yao, Artest and Barry will stay healthy this whole season. Until you beat Utah EVEN in a SEASON series you can talk, we've won the regular season series against you guys or tied atleast the last 4 years. And playoffs twice in the last 2 seasons. Lets compare...
D-Will>Alston
Brewer<T-Mac, but Utah has more depth at SG. Korver, CJ.
AK=Artest
Boozer>>>Scola
Memo a little less than Yao.

So, I think Utah and Houston are evenly matched. They're both great teams and contenders.


That's what i'm talking about..the man knows his Utah Basketball...:clap:

cmellofan15
08-08-2008, 04:22 AM
I'm actually born and raised in Los Angeles... Where the hell do u get this crap Houston is actually good???? Hornets??? LOL Utah owns them.. And Dwill punks Paul all the time.. know ur facts!!

SO!!! It's just cuz he's bigger lol. Dude you've beaten like 8 Rockets fans. Your Awesome LOL. :horse: Rockets Fans = Horse

fredv
08-08-2008, 07:15 AM
It's kinda cute how people are calling this a rivalry... but the last time I check'd a rivalry is two people who beat up on each other... Oh wait?? How many time have the Rockets beat utah??? "0" And the only reason u guys won those rings was because MR.23 wasn't playing.. U guys wouldn't of had ****!!!! I wouldn't want to buy a Tmac jersey.. because he's that Good player nobody wants... Toronto, Orlando, Houston.. where would he land next????

You probably where sleeping this whole offseason because there was this whole buzz about this East contender team called the Detroit Pistons who where willing to give up key players for him... Just saying.

Anyways your too biased to have a discussion. The Jazz are good but they don't have what it takes to go all the way. The Rockets are good but they haven't had the chance and have had a curse that made them look bad in the playoffs. Both are good teams but haven't got anything out of the last decade.

IMO

Dwill > Alston
Brewer/Korver < T-Mac
AK47 < Artest
Boozer > Scolandry
Okur < Yao

The last two years the face-offs between the Rockets & the Jazz have been intense and close. However, it seems that this offseason the Rockets staff has worked harder than Utah to add important pieces. So IMO this year the level of the Rockets is bigger than the level of Utah.

val_modus
08-08-2008, 12:16 PM
WTF? Shut the hell up man. Great Sarcastic remarks. I'm not saying Houston is a bad team. They have upgraded their team like CRAZY! Houston is a contender. But you can't count Utah out either. I think Utah is just as good if not better than Houston. Btw, I don't remember Brooks blowing by Utahs defense. And I'm not sure if you've heard of this guy Deron Williams. He's a nobody I mean, only the top 2 PG in the NBA, But I guess Brooks is number 1 eh? T-Mac is great but look at his 4th quarter production last playoffs. Really came up big there didn't he? Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS LANDRY! You made a good play blocking an out of control last second lay up! That was def. a series saver for you guys right? Considering you guys lost the series. Wow. Brent Barry, a real threat? haha. Kyle Korver to match that ****. As a Houston fan above you said the Artest vs. Harpring matchup is good. I love that match up, Obviously Artest is better but Harpring bullies him around. And btw, Boozer did destroy Yao in 2007, look at his stats, especially in game 7. All I ask, is stop making excuses for the last 2 years for why we beat you guys. I admit, losing Yao is HUGE! But it's not like you guys struggled without him winning 22 straight. I think Houston is a dangerous team this upcoming season with him. But no way T-Mac, Yao, Artest and Barry will stay healthy this whole season. Until you beat Utah EVEN in a SEASON series you can talk, we've won the regular season series against you guys or tied atleast the last 4 years. And playoffs twice in the last 2 seasons. Lets compare...
D-Will>Alston
Brewer<T-Mac, but Utah has more depth at SG. Korver, CJ.
AK=Artest
Boozer>>>Scola
Memo a little less than Yao.

So, I think Utah and Houston are evenly matched. They're both great teams and contenders.

ok yes i agree we are both top 5 teams not in the west but the entire league IMO, but im just saying most people say Utah is so much better than Houston and they just keep beating them but the team we put out on the floor isnt our real team, injured players and superstars out and what not, but a Houston Utah series in the playoffs would be a super exciting series to watch wouldnt u agree?

kurtismurray
08-08-2008, 12:40 PM
I would agree the Houston vs. Utah series would be awesome this year. I think Houston has improved. But the guy above you I think said Houston staff has worked harder. Well, the offseason isn't over. And the only reason why they had to work harder is because Houston wasn't good or contenders. Look what we did in 2005 I think... drafted Deron Williams, signed Boozer and signed Memo. So, now we already have 3 HUGE pieces in the NBA, then we drafted Brewer who has worked just fine and improved. Then we get a prospect in Morris Almond, A PROVEN Scorer! We get Millsap in the 2nd round, wow, he has been amazing at back up PF. and the 08 offseason still isn't over, Utah's GM said he is exploring trade options. Utahs staff has worked harder.

val_modus
08-08-2008, 12:55 PM
No doubt that Utah has made significant moves by getting a gem in Millsap whos a monster at the 6th man position and i think he'll be a candidate for 6th man of the year this year and getting Korver who was so important to your success pissed me off watching him make 3 after 3 against us :(, dont forget Almond aswell, i havent seen him play, but from what u guys are saying he sounds like a prospect. But you cant say the Jazz staff has worked harder man, we just aquired a star studded defender and scorer in Artest aswell as capable shooter Brent Barry and thats just in this summer, if u want to go back we got Scola whos a starter and would be for a lot of teams, Brooks who will be a starting point guard in a year or two, the kid has a bright future, and Landry our own second round gem who produced HUGE when called upon in little action. cmon man im givin yall respect but we need some too and i just cant back down from that statement, still we will both be teams to reckon with

kurtismurray
08-08-2008, 04:39 PM
No doubt that Utah has made significant moves by getting a gem in Millsap whos a monster at the 6th man position and i think he'll be a candidate for 6th man of the year this year and getting Korver who was so important to your success pissed me off watching him make 3 after 3 against us :(, dont forget Almond aswell, i havent seen him play, but from what u guys are saying he sounds like a prospect. But you cant say the Jazz staff has worked harder man, we just aquired a star studded defender and scorer in Artest aswell as capable shooter Brent Barry and thats just in this summer, if u want to go back we got Scola whos a starter and would be for a lot of teams, Brooks who will be a starting point guard in a year or two, the kid has a bright future, and Landry our own second round gem who produced HUGE when called upon in little action. cmon man im givin yall respect but we need some too and i just cant back down from that statement, still we will both be teams to reckon with

True. But a Houston fan said the Rockets staff has worked harder, prob. about the same, who cares anyways, it's about what happens on the court, not upstairs.

Drewlius
08-08-2008, 06:53 PM
Utah > Houston, sorry... I don't care if the Rockets have Artest, until they can go a whole season with Yao/T-Mac healthy, I can't put them in the upper echelon.

val_modus
08-08-2008, 08:24 PM
but heres the question if everyone is healthy and with Artest who is the better team?

Da Truf
08-08-2008, 11:14 PM
I think T-wolves will do better than most of you guys think.

cbs134679
08-09-2008, 02:58 AM
I donít think 31.7 ppg is necessarily choking. In fact, McGrady is Orlandoís all time playoff scoring leader, at 32.0 ppg. Shaq may have built that house, but Tracy McGrady has the master bedroom.

In 2004, Tracy left Orlando for opportunity, and he thought he had found it in Houston. The Rockets made the playoffs as the five seed that year which saw him post 25.7 ppg, 5.7 dimes a game, and 6.2 boards every night. They lost in seven games to Dallas. Tracyís fault? 30.7 ppg, 6.7 apg, and 7.4 rpg for the series suggest otherwise.

Last year, against the Jazz, his playoff averages were up in all three of those categories from his regular season stats. Again. (This year, through 4 games, his points are up 1.7, assists are up 1.9, and rebounds are up 3.4) In fact, Tracy is Houstonís all time playoff scoring leader as well, at 28.0 ppg.

So what does Tracy have to do to earn your respect? Win a playoff series by himself? Win a championship? All great players are judged by rings, but every great player that has a ring didnít do it alone. Magic had Kareem. Bird had McHale. Michael had Scottie. And Duncan has Parker and Ginobili.

Tracy is 28 years old. He has time, and as his numbers prove, he comes to play on the games biggest stage. Itís too bad his teammates donít.

val_modus
08-09-2008, 01:25 PM
very well said :)

Hawkeye15
08-09-2008, 01:42 PM
Thats why they got a guy like Artest who can score point and thats why they are looking for a backup center or would like to sign Deke back. Thats also why they drafted Dorsey.

Artest is a nice addition. Dorsey, who cares. Deke is 89. If Yao is not healthy going into the playoffs, see ya. That simple.

fredv
08-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Artest is a nice addition. Dorsey, who cares. Deke is 89. If Yao is not healthy going into the playoffs, see ya. That simple.

Dorsey has a lot to prove but who knows, nobody thought Scola would finish 3rd in the Rookie stats last year and nobody thought Landry would contribute that much. Still, Dorsey has to prove.
However, Dikembe Mutombo might be vers old, but he has proven last year that he was still very good and did a great job replacing Yao.
:no:

Goon.Weezy
08-09-2008, 03:18 PM
not too sure why everyone thinks the raps are gonna be on the border for makin the playoffs

AGREED....Raptors have so much potential......if Bargs improves his play the raptors will have a dangerous front court.....Bargs Oneal Bosh.......now thats scary

THE_FLASH_21
08-10-2008, 12:48 PM
You probably where sleeping this whole offseason because there was this whole buzz about this East contender team called the Detroit Pistons who where willing to give up key players for him... Just saying.

Anyways your too biased to have a discussion. The Jazz are good but they don't have what it takes to go all the way. The Rockets are good but they haven't had the chance and have had a curse that made them look bad in the playoffs. Both are good teams but haven't got anything out of the last decade.

IMO

Dwill > Alston
Brewer/Korver < T-Mac
AK47 < Artest
Boozer > Scolandry
Okur < Yao

The last two years the face-offs between the Rockets & the Jazz have been intense and close. However, it seems that this offseason the Rockets staff has worked harder than Utah to add important pieces. So IMO this year the level of the Rockets is bigger than the level of Utah.


I'm actually not Biased... Like Everyone has said... when the Rockets prove it then i'll believe it.... And In no way shape or form is Artest better then AK..
Maybe a better fighter, but not a all around player like AK

THE_FLASH_21
08-10-2008, 12:52 PM
SO!!! It's just cuz he's bigger lol. Dude you've beaten like 8 Rockets fans. Your Awesome LOL. :horse: Rockets Fans = Horse

lol

Chaudhry
08-10-2008, 01:05 PM
I'm actually not Biased... Like Everyone has said... when the Rockets prove it then i'll believe it.... And In no way shape or form is Artest better then AK..
Maybe a better fighter, but not a all around player like AK

really??
artest is better offensively that's clear... and defensively he's on top of everyone's list year in year out... so if you do believe AK is better on defense... it cant be by much...

and an argument for character is pretty weak considering AK in the beginning of the last year didn't want to be in utah...
at first i thought you were being sarcastic... but nothing else in the post hints toward it...

THE_FLASH_21
08-13-2008, 04:43 PM
really??
artest is better offensively that's clear... and defensively he's on top of everyone's list year in year out... so if you do believe AK is better on defense... it cant be by much...

and an argument for character is pretty weak considering AK in the beginning of the last year didn't want to be in utah...
at first i thought you were being sarcastic... but nothing else in the post hints toward it...


AK didn't want to play in Utah cuz he doesn't get many touches.. AK can score 20 points on any given night.. But we have 3 options b4 him. AK was an allstar when he played his natural position PF.. He one of the best players in Europe.. He has way more speed then Artest.. He can Block better then Artest.. I give Artest that he's a in ur face guy defender.. he's aggressive.. But AK fills up the stat sheet!! Me and u can keep arguing... but we have to wait and see until we play each other.. I can't wait :D

Rhyming Rebel
08-14-2008, 04:13 AM
U have the Rockets Hornets and Magic ahead of Utah ??? LOL keep dreaming
Utah should be up there with the L.A chokes and the C's... Never count out the Spurs... And U have the Rockets going somewhere?? LOL Tmac will never get out of the first round... It's proven he couldn't do it with Yao.. and I have Artest being suspend half the season.. The guy is uncoachable!!!

Spoken like a true Jazz fan. face it dude the Rockets got better. So did the Hornets

23LBJCleBrowns
08-14-2008, 03:39 PM
Cavs are contenders cuz of lebron and mo!