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Lakersfan2483
08-03-2008, 12:48 AM
Should the following guys be hall of famers? Why or why not?

Chris Webber
Grant Hill
Robert Horry
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo

cmellofan15
08-03-2008, 12:51 AM
Yea I think all of them except Horry. He was a solid player but he always ended up on a Finals team he didn't really lead anything.

*Superman*
08-03-2008, 12:58 AM
Im not to sure about Grant. He did great in Detroit and all, but the injuries really got to him from doing much.

SwaggaIke
08-03-2008, 01:02 AM
Everybody except Grant and Horry will probably make it eventually.

Alonzo has been a great defensive presence his entire career. He was a proficient scorer in his earlier days and for the most part of his career has been a winner.

Dik is a multiple defensive player of the year award winner and has anchored many great defenses throughout his career.

C Webb's numbers speak for themself. While not great when added up, his averages throughout his career were outstanding. One of the better passing forwards to ever play the game.

bball1217
08-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Everyone EXCEPT Horry.

Sure, he has won a lot of championships, but so did Jordan, and he earned his a lot more than Horry did.

Horry is a great role player, maybe the greatest role player, but not a Hall-of-Famer.

Westbrook36
08-03-2008, 01:07 AM
Grant Hill
Robert Horry

They Wont

Kings Faithful
08-03-2008, 01:17 AM
I hope the Pistons win it all this year to Webber can finnaly get the ring he deserves. Grant Hill and Horry were more like roll players. The only recognition Horry really deserves is his ability to hit a shot from half court with about .5 left on the clock.

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
08-03-2008, 01:25 AM
I think Horry and Hill won't and I think Webber will have a hard time getting in but will eventually. The other guys will for sure.

*Superman*
08-03-2008, 01:34 AM
I hope the Pistons win it all this year to Webber can finnaly get the ring he deserves. Grant Hill and Horry were more like roll players. The only recognition Horry really deserves is his ability to hit a shot from half court with about .5 left on the clock.

Bro, he is retired.:laugh:

ARMIN12NBA
08-03-2008, 02:56 AM
Chris Webber- No. He is not a HOF player. He did fine in his career, but he did not have a lot of accomplishments to go along with his great skill. Only 5 all-stars to go along with 4 NBA All-Teams.

Grant Hill- No. Same as Webber, but injuries really hurt him. He had 7 all-star appearances to go along with 5 All-NBA Team selections, but that is not enough especially considering he has never gotten out of the first round.

Robert Horry- No. He has the championships. He has the classic big shots. He just has no individual accomplishments and insignificant career averages.

Alonzo Mourning- Yes. He has accomplishments as well as the pretty good averages (17 and 9), which will get him into the HOF.

All-NBA First Team (1999)
All-NBA Second Team (2000)
NBA Def. Player of the Year (1999, 2000)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999, 2000)
Seven-time All Star
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1993)
NBA Champion (2006)

Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo- Yes. He also has the accomplishments, resume, and alright career average (10 and 10). The accomplishments really get him into the HOF though:

4-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1995, 1997, 1998, 2001
8-time NBA All-Star: 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002
3-time All-NBA:

Second Team: 2001
Third Team: 1998, 2002

6-time All-Defensive:

First Team: 1997, 1998, 2001
Second Team: 1995, 1999, 2002

NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1992
2-time NBA regular-season leader, rebounding average: 2000 (14.1), 2001 (13.5)
4-time NBA regular-season leader, total rebounds: 1995 (1029), 1997 (929), 1999 (610), 2000 (1157)
NBA regular-season leader, offensive rebounds: 2001 (307)
2-time NBA regular-season leader, defensive rebounds: 1999 (418), 2000 (853)
3-time NBA regular-season leader, blocking average: 1994 (4.1), 1995 (3.9), 1996 (4.5)
5-time NBA regular-season leader, total blocks: 1994 (336), 1995 (321), 1996 (332), 1997 (264), 1998 (277)

AllTheWay
08-03-2008, 03:02 AM
Armin, Chris Webber should not only be a hall of famer, but a first ballot one at that. The guy put up big big numbers, and was arguably one of the best passing PFs of all time(right up there with Wes Unseld).

He just happened to run into a Laker mini-dynasty.

ARMIN12NBA
08-03-2008, 03:07 AM
Armin, Chris Webber should not only be a hall of famer, but a first ballot one at that. The guy put up big big numbers, and was arguably one of the best passing PFs of all time(right up there with Wes Unseld).

He just happened to run into a Laker mini-dynasty.

The guy only had 1 NBA 1st Team and was only in 5 NBA All-Star game. He has a nice career average of 20 and 10, but didn't win the championship when he had the best team in the league. I don't think he is in the HOF and neither did any of the ESPN analysts. BTW I don't only listen to analysts, but I just wanted to mention that I am not alone with this opinion.

ewing
08-03-2008, 10:33 AM
sounds funny but I say only Deke. Hill didn't have enough great years. Webber was crazy talented but fall short. Zo had a shot but the kindey stopped him short. And Horry is a role player not a HOFer (if you don't put in guys like Lamibeer and AC Green no way you can justify putting in Horry)

SLY WILLIAMS
08-03-2008, 11:30 AM
Maybe Mourning. Maybe Mutumbo but Chris Webber, Grant Hill and Robert Horry?

As Charles would say Bernard King should be turning over in his grave! :)

MiamiHeat
08-03-2008, 11:31 AM
ZO will make it

Nets fan 93
08-03-2008, 11:49 AM
everyone but horry and hill.... also kidd should be mentioned

daleja424
08-03-2008, 11:50 AM
sounds funny but I say only Deke. Hill didn't have enough great years. Webber was crazy talented but fall short. Zo had a shot but the kindey stopped him short. And Horry is a role player not a HOFer (if you don't put in guys like Lamibeer and AC Green no way you can justify putting in Horry)

I dont think you can hold the guy out for having to have a kidney removed and still batteling back to play 6+ more years in the NBA...:eyebrow:

CaleX(RR)MIA™
08-03-2008, 11:54 AM
Alonzo Mourning, Dikembe Mutombo the only one's from this list that should make it to the HOF

fins08
08-03-2008, 12:04 PM
Zo,Mutumbo and Webber make it. Hill was always hurt and Horry was never a star

valade16
08-03-2008, 12:31 PM
<I>"Chris Webber- No. He is not a HOF player. He did fine in his career, but he did not have a lot of accomplishments to go along with his great skill. Only 5 all-stars to go along with 4 NBA All-Teams.

Alonzo Mourning- Yes. He has accomplishments as well as the pretty good averages (17 and 9), which will get him into the HOF.

All-NBA First Team (1999)
All-NBA Second Team (2000)
NBA Def. Player of the Year (1999, 2000)
NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999, 2000)
Seven-time All Star
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1993)
NBA Champion (2006)"</I>

ARMIN12NBA, I don't understand how you can say Alonzo without saying Webber! Especially since your stats probably help Webbers inclusion.

Mourning was only a 7 time All-Star (same as Grant Hill...) compared to Webber's 5. And Zo only went to an All-NBA team 2 times, where as Webber went 4 times...

Not to mention Webber's Pts. and Rbd. stats are above Zo's (20.7 and 9.8), and the number of seasons where he played at a high level were more than Zo's.

Also, Zo's Championship ring was about 10% his doing. He was a role player coming off the bench to support Shaq and Wade, it wasn't like it was his team that won it. However it was Webber's Sacramento teams that annually faced the Lakers to determine the Champions, and those teams were loaded, they most likely would've won a Championship if it weren't for the Lakers...

Webber is a Hall of Famer...

{º¿º}
08-03-2008, 01:02 PM
Should the following guys be hall of famers? Why or why not?

Chris Webber
Grant Hill
Robert Horry
Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo

A hell no to all those except Mutumbo. Deke gets in by being one of the best defenders in history and winning the Defensive Player of the Year award a record 4x. Horry in the list is an absurdity. Mourning, and Hill don't have the resume to make it and the sympathy factor doesn't change that fact. Webber? Go ahead and include Mitch Richmound, Kevin Willis, Rod Strickland, and 3 dozen other second tier players that had 20ppg season averages and trips to the allstar game.

RocketsRule
08-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Chris Webber: Had an amazing career, averaging 20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4,2 assists, 1.4 steals, and 1.4 blocks. He has a great passing ability, able to find open teammates with ease. He can score down low or from mid-range, a truly versatile player. Although he had an outstanding career, he didn't win a single championship, or win any major awards. HOF? No. Great player? Yes.

Grant Hill: Same case as Chris Webber. He averaged 19.4 points, 6.8 rebounds, and 5.4 assists, making him a great all-around player. But, he hasn't won a single championship, so HOF is out of the question.

Robert Horry: Completely opposite case as the players before him. I don't care how many rings this guy wins, he just isn't a good enough player to get into the Hall Of Fame.

Alonzo Mourning: This one I have doubt in my mind. He has a ring, and is a great player. He did it on both offense and defense, blocking shots and scoring at the rim. Zo has been known to anchor the defense, with his numerous DPOY awards. HOF player without a doubt.

Dikembe Mutombo: Another anchor on defense. For his career he has averaged 2.7 blocks, a remarkable statistic, considering how long he has played. No to mention the 10.4 boards and scoring 10 points on 50% shooting. He also has had his share of awards. Definitely HOF worthy.

QUICKTRADE
08-03-2008, 01:18 PM
except hill and webber

mightybosstone
08-03-2008, 01:20 PM
Mourning and Deke would be locks in my book. Webber should make it, but its questionable and Grant Hill might have some issues because he was injured for so much of his career. Robert Horry should not even be in consideration.

mightybosstone
08-03-2008, 01:22 PM
Chris Webber: Had an amazing career, averaging 20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds, 4,2 assists, 1.4 steals, and 1.4 blocks. He has a great passing ability, able to find open teammates with ease. He can score down low or from mid-range, a truly versatile player. Although he had an outstanding career, he didn't win a single championship, or win any major awards. HOF? No. Great player? Yes.

Grant Hill: Same case as Chris Webber. He averaged 19.4 points, 6.8 rebounds, and 5.4 assists, making him a great all-around player. But, he hasn't won a single championship, so HOF is out of the question.

Robert Horry: Completely opposite case as the players before him. I don't care how many rings this guy wins, he just isn't a good enough player to get into the Hall Of Fame.

Alonzo Mourning: This one I have doubt in my mind. He has a ring, and is a great player. He did it on both offense and defense, blocking shots and scoring at the rim. Zo has been known to anchor the defense, with his numerous DPOY awards. HOF player without a doubt.

Dikembe Mutombo: Another anchor on defense. For his career he has averaged 2.7 blocks, a remarkable statistic, considering how long he has played. No to mention the 10.4 boards and scoring 10 points on 50% shooting. He also has had his share of awards. Definitely HOF worthy.

A ring doesn't mean everything. Is Charles Barkley not worthy of the hall? Would KG a year ago not have been worthy of the hall?