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FKNRUEHH925
08-02-2008, 02:21 PM
I know the Topics are kinda old on here. so i have been doing my best to find out some useless information to try and make this a little more exciting, and give us somp to talk about.

Jamall Charles i am jucied about. He is going to be a huge threat, i think he is going to be the biggest difference maker on our offense. , and did everyone know that in high school Charles went to the JR. Olympics and got a gold medal in track and a Bronze medal in hurdles. imo he is going to the the perfect fit for LJ who brings that power running style Charles has that speed and the hops, a perfect 1-2 combo

Kcfanbaby212*
08-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Well Charles is def. a one of a kind guys, IMHO on a good day, hes faster than Dmac. However, had he stayed in college, he for sure couldve been a 1st rounder next season. I think he will be a big difference maker, later on in the season.

jonesy1524
08-02-2008, 03:37 PM
you THINK hes faster than d mac??? plz.... he IS.

RustShack
08-03-2008, 12:04 AM
you THINK hes faster than d mac??? plz.... he IS.

Yeah no ****

Kcfanbaby212*
08-03-2008, 01:16 AM
well, Dmac is pretty fast.

rhensley3
08-03-2008, 11:43 AM
speed and athleticism are never a bad thing to have on your team. just hope it gets put to good use.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-03-2008, 06:06 PM
Well, KC will understand how to use him, Texas didnt.

kcchiefs_82
08-03-2008, 06:37 PM
Well Texas just ran him like they did cause he was there best RB and u dont need to much power to run up the middle in college.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-03-2008, 07:40 PM
Well, thank jesus the NFL is wiser than that haha

Thearchitect33
08-03-2008, 07:44 PM
The "Texas Comet" will be a great addition to the offense. He will be an excellent guy to keep the defense on their toes when they are stacking the box on LJ. His speed will make him valuable in the return game and the short passing game. I think that Herm and Chan will find ways to use this guy because he can be electric. I hope he has decent hands though. With his amazing speed this guy could be a nightmare catching passes in the flat with only a slower, less agile linebacker to beat.

kcchiefs_82
08-03-2008, 09:33 PM
I love the deminsion that He brings to this offense. If we run 2 back sets like use a PA pass to JC out in the flats and just watch him go.

Pipes
08-03-2008, 09:38 PM
He was a flat out steal... That's going to add the same type of dimension Hall once did!

Thearchitect33
08-03-2008, 11:04 PM
I really think that may prove to be prophetic Pipes, especially since his first opportunity to dent the scoreboard will likely come returning punts or kickoffs. I only pray that unlike Dante, he will prove to be of value somewhere else as well.

RustShack
08-03-2008, 11:08 PM
I doubt Charles returns many punts, but he will likely be our 2nd kick returner.

Pipes
08-03-2008, 11:34 PM
I really think that may prove to be prophetic Pipes, especially since his first opportunity to dent the scoreboard will likely come returning punts or kickoffs. I only pray that unlike Dante, he will prove to be of value somewhere else as well.

I agree...

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 12:38 AM
Hands?! Charles had arguably the best hands out of any of the RBs coming out of the draft.

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 01:03 AM
That was the one thing I was unsure of. Now, all my fears have been laid to rest. I hope they utilize him properly. He is a great talent and I hope that he can adjust to the game at the NFL level.

RustShack
08-04-2008, 01:06 AM
He will likely line up in other positions such as the slot at some point too. I'm not saying it will happen a lot, but it should happen a couple times to add a little somethign extra to the offense. I think someone already said this, kind of like a Dante Hall deal. Franklin will be our slot reciever the majority of the time though.

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 01:17 AM
excited to see it all in action. I really think that for the short period of time that they've been trying to bring in more weapons that they've done surprisingly well. We're not there yet, but we're getting there, and everything they've done so far has looked pretty darn good.

touchdown bowe
08-04-2008, 01:44 AM
He will likely line up in other positions such as the slot at some point too. I'm not saying it will happen a lot, but it should happen a couple times to add a little somethign extra to the offense. I think someone already said this, kind of like a Dante Hall deal. Franklin will be our slot reciever the majority of the time though.

Dat was me! Cheers bro :jumpy:

cali72888
08-04-2008, 02:00 AM
Well Charles is def. a one of a kind guys, IMHO on a good day, hes faster than Dmac. However, had he stayed in college, he for sure couldve been a 1st rounder next season. I think he will be a big difference maker, later on in the season.

if he stayed in collage it wouldent have made much of a impact on where he was drafted, and please do not compare charles to d-mac....i know ur bitter we have mcfadden but please some dreaming charles shouldent be mentioned in the same sentence as d-mac.....but you never know with your o-line charles could be the starter by week 4 johnson is sure to get hurt with Zero protection.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 11:20 AM
if he stayed in collage it wouldent have made much of a impact on where he was drafted, and please do not compare charles to d-mac....i know ur bitter we have mcfadden but please some dreaming charles shouldent be mentioned in the same sentence as d-mac.....but you never know with your o-line charles could be the starter by week 4 johnson is sure to get hurt with Zero protection.

i compared speed....that was it.Hes def. got better hands than Dmac as well. Dont get a plug up your butt, and trust me, im not bitter you drafted Dmac, i could care less. With your O-line, JRuss will be on his back more than a porn star. Dont pretend like you know anything about Jamaal Charles, the only stuff you know, is what we have been posting, you havent seen the kid play.

BigRatt
08-04-2008, 12:34 PM
if he stayed in collage it wouldent have made much of a impact on where he was drafted, and please do not compare charles to d-mac....i know ur bitter we have mcfadden but please some dreaming charles shouldent be mentioned in the same sentence as d-mac.....but you never know with your o-line charles could be the starter by week 4 johnson is sure to get hurt with Zero protection.

Hey You F U K **** Mindless Raider! get your a s s out of the Chiefs forum. By the way get ready to see Charles and the Chiefs spank your damn Raiders soon enough.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 12:49 PM
haha keep dreaming with that lop of a qb you call croyle.
yea and actually i have seen charles play, he really should not be in the same sentence as mc fadden. i diddent see charles break and records, i dont see charles lining up as a qb, and i really dont see much of a difference in both players catching ability.......
charles will be an average rb in this league, i compare him to michael bennett.......

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 01:14 PM
haha keep dreaming with that lop of a qb you call croyle.
yea and actually i have seen charles play, he really should not be in the same sentence as mc fadden. i diddent see charles break and records, i dont see charles lining up as a qb, and i really dont see much of a difference in both players catching ability.......
charles will be an average rb in this league, i compare him to michael bennett.......

haha, because your a raider fan and you probably also think Javon Walker is going to be a beast this year. Truth be told, Charles is fast as hell, and since you are so upbeat on mcfadden, heres something you should know.Heres why he didnt break a rushing record, because he had 67 less attempts than McFadden, also had a better ypc JC 6.7> DMac 5.6, Jamaal had 2 more TDs than McFadden. O yeah i forgot, he had 67 less attempts and had only 211 yards less than McFadden. So......i dont really understand why charles wouldnt be in the same sentence? If JC wouldve had the same amount of carries as McFadden he wouldve had, 2041 yards rushing, and a few more TDs. So that must mean Dmac is a below average RB?

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 01:17 PM
haha keep dreaming with that lop of a qb you call croyle.
yea and actually i have seen charles play, he really should not be in the same sentence as mc fadden. i diddent see charles break and records, i dont see charles lining up as a qb, and i really dont see much of a difference in both players catching ability.......
charles will be an average rb in this league, i compare him to michael bennett.......

O yeah, and you dont know much about Croyle either apparantly. I would break it down to you like I did charles, but i dont feel like it, all i gotta say about JR is, I know you miss DBowe, and Craig Davis, they helped with your success.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 01:26 PM
lets look at the two....
charles:
positives: very fast, good initial burst, good vision, loves compotition, runs good routs, good at cutting at full speed...

negatives: not strong enough to carry an nfl load, has the body of a sprinter, goes down after innital contact, cannot run between the tackles, cannot hold onto the ball, cannot block very well, ok hands tends to drop passes in traffic because he is afraid of getting hit, has bum ankles, could not finish in games at texas, known to wear down in tough games, runs high at times, could never carry the ball more then 15 times a game.
compared to: julieus jones......

mc fadden:
positives: thick build very muscular (somthing charles is not), powers through innitial tackle(somthing charles cannot do), outstanding flexabiliy, great change of direction speed, good blocker can pick up blitzes well at ncaa level, great balance, very fast, doesent need to change speed to change direction(somthing charles has to do), cathces underneath throws(sonthing charles has proven he cannot do at texas), can reach out for the ball past his frame (somthing charles does not do), gets open when running routs, leader, great work ethic, can play some qb.
Negatives: had fumbling issues at arkansas(like charles), runs upright at times(like charles).
compares to marshall faulk.....but stronger.

yea keep dreaming putting charles in the same sentence as mcfadden.
mcfadden will make multiple pro bowles, charles would be lucky if he even got mentioned to go to the pro bowl, he is a carrer backup, while mcfadden is a star player who could very well one day be in the hall of fame.
mcfadden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>charles

and with your o-line, expect him to be hurt be week 5, at least the raiders o-line can block for their rushers. and with cable as our o line coach its only a matter of time before they are good.

and no i think javon is done, dont try and tell me croyle is anything special please.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 01:47 PM
lets look at the two....
charles:
positives: very fast, good initial burst, good vision, loves compotition, runs good routs, good at cutting at full speed...

negatives: not strong enough to carry an nfl load, has the body of a sprinter, goes down after innital contact, cannot run between the tackles, cannot hold onto the ball, cannot block very well, ok hands tends to drop passes in traffic because he is afraid of getting hit, has bum ankles, could not finish in games at texas, known to wear down in tough games, runs high at times, could never carry the ball more then 15 times a game.
compared to: julieus jones......

mc fadden:
positives: thick build very muscular (somthing charles is not), powers through innitial tackle(somthing charles cannot do), outstanding flexabiliy, great change of direction speed, good blocker can pick up blitzes well at ncaa level, great balance, very fast, doesent need to change speed to change direction(somthing charles has to do), cathces underneath throws(sonthing charles has proven he cannot do at texas), can reach out for the ball past his frame (somthing charles does not do), gets open when running routs, leader, great work ethic, can play some qb.
Negatives: had fumbling issues at arkansas(like charles), runs upright at times(like charles).
compares to marshall faulk.....but stronger.

yea keep dreaming putting charles in the same sentence as mcfadden.
mcfadden will make multiple pro bowles, charles would be lucky if he even got mentioned to go to the pro bowl, he is a carrer backup, while mcfadden is a star player who could very well one day be in the hall of fame.
mcfadden>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>charles

and with your o-line, expect him to be hurt be week 5, at least the raiders o-line can block for their rushers. and with cable as our o line coach its only a matter of time before they are good.

and no i think javon is done, dont try and tell me croyle is anything special please.


haha a raider fan clearly made that Pros and Cons list, i think it was you haha. Heres the REAL Pros and Cons.

Jamaal Charles

Positives: Smooth, well proportioned athlete. … Good quickness off the snap. … Reads blocks well and knows when to explode into the line and when to exercise patience and allow the blocks to develop. … Elusive in the open field. … Good start and stop and lateral agility to make defenders miss. … Natural runner who flashes the stiff-arm, spin and forward lean to consistently gain extra yardage after contact. … Best attribute is pure, unadulterated speed. … Rare acceleration to burst through the defense and breakaway. … Averaged 20.1 yards on his 34 career TDs, including 35.7 on TD receptions. … Has relatively fresh legs after only emerging as the full-time starter as a junior. … At least adequate route-running and hands out of the backfield. … Four-time All-American in track. … Personal best 10.26 seconds in the 100-meter dash in winning the Big 12 title as a freshman.

Negatives: Looks smaller on film than the 6-1, 205 pounds Texas lists him as. … Has struggled at times with fumbles, including a key lost fumble in a 28-21 loss to rival Oklahoma in 2007. … At his best in the open field. … Not a particularly physical back who will run over defenders in the hole. … Willing, but limited pass blocker.

Despite skipping his senior year, Charles ranks fourth in the list of total-rushing yards by a UT player, behind Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, and Earl Campbell, with 3,328 yards. Williams and Campbell each won the Heisman Trophy in their senior season. With Charles' departure, quarterback Colt McCoy becomes the leading returning rusher for the Longhorns


Dmac

POSITIVES: Gifted ball-carrier with an outstanding package of skills. Instinctive, finds the running lanes, and quickly gets through them. Cognizant of what's happening on the field and productive whenever handling the ball. Uses his blocks at all times, displays a burst of speed, and strong enough to be his own blocker. Keeps his feet driving up the field, hits the hole hard, and shows strength carrying the ball. Runs through arm tackles and falls forward for the extra yardage. Gets a lot of momentum going when he runs north/south. Elusive, can turn the corner, and makes defenders miss in the open field. Occasionally asked to take snaps behind center and can throw the option pass.

NEGATIVES: At times gets tall in his running and will take some unnecessary hits. Stands to improve his blocking intensity. Not a power runner on the inside. Drops instantly on contact to the legs.Needs to improve his ball security. Admitted to fathering several children by different mothers at the combine, which will send up red flags about his character. Struggles to catch the ball in traffic, tends to bring his hands in before contact is made.



Mine was an actual write up, yours was clearly a biased raider write up. I have heard nothing from the "experts" but, "McFadden goes down instantly on contact to the legs. McFadden shortens his arms when catching in traffic which leads to many dropped or missed catches. McFadden cannot run up the middle in the NFL, needs to add more Bulk to his frame, isnt a power runner. Thats great he can play QB, your probably going to need that with your O-line protecting JR. He needed to be good in Arkansas, so that he can pay for all that child support.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 01:52 PM
I might also add, McFadden had 23 fumbles Charles had 6.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 02:15 PM
did you not read that charles drops passes, did you not read that he goes down on innitial contact also......did you not read that he cannot carry the load??
yea mcfadden fumbles but he worked on it at the end of the season and cut down on fumbling alot, mcfadden also returned kicks and thats where most of his fumbles came from, and our rb coach rathman is one of the best, will have this problem fixed by season.
charles did not get as much carries as mcfadden because he is not durable, he got hurt.
i really would rather have a qb who is 260 taking a sack then a qb who bairly 200 lbs. its only a matter of time before croyle is hurt with your o line.
its ok you guys can have your third round qb and rb, there is a reason they were drafted there, its because they have alot of flaws and need to work on there game. russle and mcfadden, not so much.
russle wasent even in camp last season and he is making the job look easy, croyle on the other hand could bairly win a job against damon haurd.....
you really think that you have a chance against the raiders this season, i guarantee that the raiders beat the chiefs by 14+ points

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 02:29 PM
haha, another bold prediction, much like the last 5 seaons...."Were going to win it this year". Still havent won more than 5 games yet. 23 fumbles is still alot, idc how he lost them. O why are we comparing a Backup RB to McFadden? McFadden vs. LJ?

BigRatt
08-04-2008, 02:30 PM
haha a raider fan clearly made that Pros and Cons list, i think it was you haha. Heres the REAL Pros and Cons.

Jamaal Charles

Positives: Smooth, well proportioned athlete. … Good quickness off the snap. … Reads blocks well and knows when to explode into the line and when to exercise patience and allow the blocks to develop. … Elusive in the open field. … Good start and stop and lateral agility to make defenders miss. … Natural runner who flashes the stiff-arm, spin and forward lean to consistently gain extra yardage after contact. … Best attribute is pure, unadulterated speed. … Rare acceleration to burst through the defense and breakaway. … Averaged 20.1 yards on his 34 career TDs, including 35.7 on TD receptions. … Has relatively fresh legs after only emerging as the full-time starter as a junior. … At least adequate route-running and hands out of the backfield. … Four-time All-American in track. … Personal best 10.26 seconds in the 100-meter dash in winning the Big 12 title as a freshman.

Negatives: Looks smaller on film than the 6-1, 205 pounds Texas lists him as. … Has struggled at times with fumbles, including a key lost fumble in a 28-21 loss to rival Oklahoma in 2007. … At his best in the open field. … Not a particularly physical back who will run over defenders in the hole. … Willing, but limited pass blocker.

Despite skipping his senior year, Charles ranks fourth in the list of total-rushing yards by a UT player, behind Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, and Earl Campbell, with 3,328 yards. Williams and Campbell each won the Heisman Trophy in their senior season. With Charles' departure, quarterback Colt McCoy becomes the leading returning rusher for the Longhorns


Dmac

POSITIVES: Gifted ball-carrier with an outstanding package of skills. Instinctive, finds the running lanes, and quickly gets through them. Cognizant of what's happening on the field and productive whenever handling the ball. Uses his blocks at all times, displays a burst of speed, and strong enough to be his own blocker. Keeps his feet driving up the field, hits the hole hard, and shows strength carrying the ball. Runs through arm tackles and falls forward for the extra yardage. Gets a lot of momentum going when he runs north/south. Elusive, can turn the corner, and makes defenders miss in the open field. Occasionally asked to take snaps behind center and can throw the option pass.

NEGATIVES: At times gets tall in his running and will take some unnecessary hits. Stands to improve his blocking intensity. Not a power runner on the inside. Drops instantly on contact to the legs.Needs to improve his ball security. Admitted to fathering several children by different mothers at the combine, which will send up red flags about his character. Struggles to catch the ball in traffic, tends to bring his hands in before contact is made.



Mine was an actual write up, yours was clearly a biased raider write up. I have heard nothing from the "experts" but, "McFadden goes down instantly on contact to the legs. McFadden shortens his arms when catching in traffic which leads to many dropped or missed catches. McFadden cannot run up the middle in the NFL, needs to add more Bulk to his frame, isnt a power runner. Thats great he can play QB, your probably going to need that with your O-line protecting JR. He needed to be good in Arkansas, so that he can pay for all that child support.

Cali just shut up! You obviously didn't watch the draft or you would know that McFadden doesn't power through contact. They showed several plays where he was hit and down like a sack of turds or was stood straight up. Charles is a much better athlete than McF a g g o t. Mcfadden ran a 10.8 100 meter and a 4.39 40 time. Charles ran a 10.26 100 meter and 4.38 40 time he has an unofficial time of 4.27. Devin Hester 10.48 100 meter and an unoffical time of 4.28 40 time. I think his combine was 4.51 40 time. Charles has been taking multiple runs to the house every practice. Once Charles gets a step on the edge hes gone. Charles in a much better burner and will be a game changer. McFadden comes from a non pro offense and is a very big risk, as well as Mendenhall and Stewart.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 02:32 PM
Cali just shut up! You obviously didn't watch the draft or you would know that McFadden doesn't power through contact. They showed several plays where he was hit and down like a sack of turds or was stood straight up. Charles is a much better athlete than McF a g g o t. Mcfadden ran a 10.8 100 meter and a 4.39 40 time. Charles ran a 10.26 100 meter and 4.38 40 time he has an unofficial time of 4.27. Devin Hester 10.48 100 meter and an unoffical time of 4.28 40 time. I think his combine was 4.51 40 time. Charles has been taking multiple runs to the house every practice. Once Charles gets a step on the edge hes gone. Charles in a much better burner and will be a game changer. McFadden comes from a non pro offense and is a very big risk, as well as Mendenhall and Stewart.

good post!! Do you get the hint tha this guy deep down is, a chiefs fan?

BigRatt
08-04-2008, 02:39 PM
good post!! Do you get the hint tha this guy deep down is, a chiefs fan?

I dont know! I can appreciate his enthusiasm but his facts are very delusional!! He is not taken into account about how good this Chiefs D is going to be this year. We have power up front speed at linebacker and a young athletic secondary that will be among one of the leagues best.

RustShack
08-04-2008, 02:40 PM
Bowe will make Croyle look good just like he did for that piece of **** Russel. All Russell has is an arm, but that tub of lard will need more than that to be successfull in the NFL. McFadden is obviously better than Charles at this point, but they do a lot of the same things well except Charles is just faster. Jammal could have been a 1st round pick if he waited one more year to enter the draft.

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 03:04 PM
I don't want to be a grammar nazi, but honest to god...seriously? Is this Raiders fan really even worth talking to? Either he's really that stupid (which wouldn't be all that surprising given his choice in NFL team) or he's writing his posts in a drunken stupor (again, not surprising. I would probably spend most of my time drunk to deal with my self-loathing if I was a Raiders fan). In any case, we won't really know anything until these guys get on the field. I'm sorry though, Jamarcus Russell is worthless, particularly with the aging weapons they have at WR and the p i s s poor pass blocking they've assembled on the O-line.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 03:07 PM
Well, its not surprising that a raider fan feels his team is capable of putting up a winning season lol. They have been in denial since the SB loss.

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 03:18 PM
They've been something negative ever since they were founded. They have always maintained an image as a bunch of thugs, outcasts, criminals and cheapshot artists. They have occasionally been good at football, but in general they have never been good in any other way. I really hate to see them struggle even with picking yearly in the top five. All I have to say is, their struggles each year are just proof that there is a God and he hates the Raiders. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of convicts. DMac, who seems to have become quite the topic of conversation on this thread fits right in. In addition to his admission of fathering several bastard children there have been reports of him and his family being involved in gangs. Class guy.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 03:29 PM
Thats what I am saying, he had no choice to become a NFL star, he cant afford the child support haha

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 04:02 PM
yeah. That's really bright. Hey, I am going to start fathering children so that I can find something to do with all that money I'm going to be making. I suppose I could spend it on nice cars and huge mansions, or (gasp) invest it to secure my financial future (after all NFL truly means Not For Long for runningbacks, particularly those who fancy themselves bruisers). But who really wants to enjoy the money they make? Who needs a top-of-the-line Bentley with all the bells and whistles? Who really wants marble floors and countertops with gold inlay? The sad thing is that he and his crack legal team will probably find a way to screw these mothers and the children he's fathered. It's really sad.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 04:54 PM
sorry i dont have the best grammer i could really care less when talking to you douches.
you are all in denial thinking that the chiefs are going to be any good, your defence really??? you got rid of one of your best players in allen and dorsey is already hurt. your secondary was bad last season and the only backer i can name on ur team is edwards(old), o and the bust johnson.
russle has a cannon and is an up and coming star, you cant say that about croyle all he has done is struggle. russle has thrown one int in camp and deagelo hall said he throws so hard the only person who can catch the ball is the person he is throwing to. see what your WR says about russle, i guarantee that he thinks he will be a star.
you secondary is going to be one of the best, what are you smoking crack?
you just let go your starting saftey (who will play backup for us), and your corners are average at best.
lets compare secondarys and line backers for a second.....
chiefs.....
LB: edwards, johnson, thomas....the best out of the bunch is edwards who is not too impressive. thomas has never been a full time starter, and johnson who cannot fight through a block if his life depended on it.
Secondary: Surtain, flowers, page, pollard...... surtain is a miami outcast who can easly be beaten in coverage, flowers is a rookie and unproven, your safteys are good but will be exposed because your CB's are weak.
Raiders:
LB: howard, morrison, thomas.....howard and morrison both have put up great numbers without any d-line, morrison and howard are great in pass coverage as well as the run, both players should get a look at the pro bowl this season. thomas is a decent LB, but will be pushed hard for his spot by heartwell and riki brown, wouldent be surprised to see heartwell starting if he can get back into his old form, and riki brown has a good chance to see the field alot this season.
secondary: Aso, Hall, Wilson, Huff
aso is the best coverage corner in the league, hall has made multiple pro bowls, wilson just won the superbowl and averages 100+ tackles at saftey. huff has not met expectations but has been playing out of position, look for him to be a surprise on our defence this season.
Raiders defence>Chiefs defence
Raiders offence and chiefs offence are still developing so its hard to say whos will be better, but i know for a fact that our o-lines run blocking is far superior to your lines run blocking.

you cant really talk about the past either because that image the raiders have has won them 3 superbowls and gotten them to 5, your chiefs have only won 1 and been in 2 since the league started not to mention they were both over 30 years ago.......so if you want to look at the big picture, your chiefs havent done much to challeng the raiders legacy.

RustShack
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
You've also only beat us once since 2003...

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 05:12 PM
sorry i dont have the best grammer i could really care less when talking to you douches.
you are all in denial thinking that the chiefs are going to be any good, your defence really??? you got rid of one of your best players in allen and dorsey is already hurt. your secondary was bad last season and the only backer i can name on ur team is edwards(old), o and the bust johnson.
russle has a cannon and is an up and coming star, you cant say that about croyle all he has done is struggle. russle has thrown one int in camp and deagelo hall said he throws so hard the only person who can catch the ball is the person he is throwing to. see what your WR says about russle, i guarantee that he thinks he will be a star.
you secondary is going to be one of the best, what are you smoking crack?
you just let go your starting saftey (who will play backup for us), and your corners are average at best.
lets compare secondarys and line backers for a second.....
chiefs.....
LB: edwards, johnson, thomas....the best out of the bunch is edwards who is not too impressive. thomas has never been a full time starter, and johnson who cannot fight through a block if his life depended on it.
Secondary: Surtain, flowers, page, pollard...... surtain is a miami outcast who can easly be beaten in coverage, flowers is a rookie and unproven, your safteys are good but will be exposed because your CB's are weak.
Raiders:
LB: howard, morrison, thomas.....howard and morrison both have put up great numbers without any d-line, morrison and howard are great in pass coverage as well as the run, both players should get a look at the pro bowl this season. thomas is a decent LB, but will be pushed hard for his spot by heartwell and riki brown, wouldent be surprised to see heartwell starting if he can get back into his old form, and riki brown has a good chance to see the field alot this season.
secondary: Aso, Hall, Wilson, Huff
aso is the best coverage corner in the league, hall has made multiple pro bowls, wilson just won the superbowl and averages 100+ tackles at saftey. huff has not met expectations but has been playing out of position, look for him to be a surprise on our defence this season.
Raiders defence>Chiefs defence
Raiders offence and chiefs offence are still developing so its hard to say whos will be better, but i know for a fact that our o-lines run blocking is far superior to your lines run blocking.

you cant really talk about the past either because that image the raiders have has won them 3 superbowls and gotten them to 5, your chiefs have only won 1 and been in 2 since the league started not to mention they were both over 30 years ago.......so if you want to look at the big picture, your chiefs havent done much to challeng the raiders legacy.

Yeah, you know, because KC wasnt like a top 5 pass defense or anything last year?! ACTUALLY we were the 5th best pass defense in the league. We have only upgraded our secondary, with the loss of ty law and getting Brandon Flowers, who is by far one of the HARDEST hitting CBs in the league already. We have very athletic LBs, Johnson isnt a bust, 94 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 FF, and 2INTs, does not list you as a bust, thats great considering hes not a MLB. Dont forget, we have Demorrio Williams as well, he will be rotating with Edwards. You dont even know anything about Williams, thats why hes not impressive, because you lack knowledge. If Hartwell is pushing anyone for a starting spot after being out of the league for a whole year, then whoever he is pushing sucks. Ill give you the secondary benefits, Aso is a beast at CB, Hall is inconsistent and loses focus alot, but when he is focused, hes good, Huff, is a bust at the moment, and Wilson is a good run supporting safety. Offensively, it will be decided by our Lines and our QB play. Our D-line i would take over yours. Our safeties are only going on their 2nd season starting, and both have been making some plays. We actually have alot of guys we drafted, that can be huge contributors this year, Cottam, Charles, Franklin, Dorsey, Albert, Carr, Flowers, Morgan,Robinson, and Johnston all will have a role this year. I know you dont know half of those names, but when we play you guys, you will find out.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-04-2008, 05:13 PM
O yeah, by the way, we solidified our run defense, our weak spot, what did you do? You happened to be horrid as well against that. Kelly? lol

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
Kelly and don't forget resigning the perennial all-star Terdell Sands (wait...oh right, he's not a perennial all-star, matter of fact he's never been to a pro bowl and he's a chiefs cast-off...look it up). The real truth of what Sands is is right there in his name...Terd, switch a letter and you realize it's a thin disguise. Terdell Sands is a fat turd and you morons signed him to a contract that Warren Sapp wouldn't have lived up to in his prime. Great job!

The real thing I take issue with here Cali is all your repeated talk of Jamarcus Russell (I'm trying hard not to mention your horrible spelling, but you should at least try to spell your "all-world" quarterback's name correctly) being a star in the making. I must have fallen asleep while he was giving any indication that he was more than an overweight, overpaid nobody (and I mean in the NFL, don't start in with the crap about training camp and college). He has done precisely nothing, which no matter how bad Brodie has been is still less than Croyle has accomplished. Brodie might have had trouble fighting off Huard for starts, but last time I checked Russell wasn't fighting anything but the bench, or quite possibly the all-you-can-eat buffett. Russell may be the next great thing, but until he gives even the slightest indication, shut the hell up.

Thearchitect33
08-04-2008, 07:23 PM
And I would take a team that is consistently competitive but wins fewer championships over a team that wins a championship more frequently but then sinks into the basement of the NFL for the next decade before they even make an attempt at being competitive. By the way, your most recent super bowl appearance was thanks to another Chiefs player. Sure, the Chiefs didn't utilize him properly, but the Raiders couldn't win without him. Eat it.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 09:01 PM
yea he is the reason we lost the superbowl also.....
what is the goal in the nfl, its to win if you dont win you are nothing.... raiders have the best win percentage ever.you want to talk who is more competative, we have won 62% of our games compared to the chiefs 51%
you guys are morons, how do you say russle sucks and flowers is the hardest hitting cb in the league when he hasent even played a single down??
russle has ten times the upside croyle does because we havent seen what we are going to get out of him, you have seen what croyle can do, and its not much. russle will never ride the bench again in his career, while croyle will be looking over his shoulder 90% of his time in the nfl. you say russell is overweight, just shows your ignorant minds are listening to what the media has to say, when in reality russle is at his comfortable weight, sorry he is not a bone rail like your lanky joke for a qb. i i would take a qb who is heavy any day over a qb who bailry surpasses 200 lbs.
im not going to be the one holding my breath when russell takes a sack, but i sure would be worried when a 300 lb linemen lays on that weak frame of a body croyle is running around with. not to mention russle has zero injury history while croyles entire football career has been marred by injuries.
i diddent hear the great bill walsh saying anything when croyle was drafted, but i do remember him talking about russle as if he is the next best thing in the nfl.
its ok i know there is nothing better to look forward to in podunk kansas then your chiefs and arrowhead, but dont get it twisted trying to say the cheifs are better then the raiders because according to win percentage we are #1 and you are #12.

cali72888
08-04-2008, 09:07 PM
yea and you solidified you run defence how?
getting rid of allen and drafting glenn dorsey who already has hurt his bum knee.
not to mention with herm as your coach charles would be lucky to last 4 season in the nlf. johnson is already breaking down under your coach, after he is gone its going to be charles turn to be over worked and break down season after season.
and you got rid of your best leader and player on defence no wait two of your best players. law and allen, without them your secondary is going to be nothing but average. who is going to put pressure on the qb? hali?? he will be double teamed now that allen is gone, and law is the main reason your safteys were good he took alot of the pressure off of them because of his experience and play making ability, now you have surtain as your best cb, and he has been washed up since his miami days.

kcchiefs_82
08-04-2008, 09:29 PM
Dude Law was terrible last year. He was missing tackles and couldnt keep up with his recievers.

KC-TC
08-04-2008, 11:01 PM
I think I could out run Law. And when was the last time Wesley started for the Chiefs???? It seems that Page and Pollard started the majority of last season and Pollard intercepted a pass in the endzone to beat the Raiders.

I'm not going to say who will win between these two teams this year but Cali obviously has a biased opinion with no idea of where the Chiefs are. I will say that a 9-1 record against the Raiders is pretty successful the past 5 seasons. It's hard to even get excited about playing the Raiders lately. I feel pretty sorry for them. They'll be a joke until Al Davis is gone.

RustShack
08-04-2008, 11:34 PM
Doresy is much much better than Allen against the run, Tank is probably our best run defender and he didn't really play much last year because most first year DT's don't play much. Surtain is better than Law, Flowers is better than Surtain. Hali played LE last year, so he was double teamed nearly every snap in the first place. A great UT is the heart and soul of the Tampa Two defense(which is what we run), and we finally have that now in Doresy. Now that we have solid DT's our small/fast linebackers can run free. A lot of our main guys on defense are young, and now that a lot of them have a year or two under thier belts they should play better. Also its Page who always makes the game winning Raider interceptions. Law didn't take pressure off the saftys, he put more pressure on them. You just need to go back to your forum, because you don't have a clue about the Chiefs, our players, or the systems we run.

schwab776
08-04-2008, 11:49 PM
jesus christ i had to make an account just to get in on this conversation.seriously do you have to bring up the all time winning percentage just because thats the only positive thing you can think of? idk why you are going on about jamarcus russell being a star he hasnt done **** at all i dont care what he does in training camp he is going against the raiders defense anyone could do well against them. and you say there is a reason brodie was drafted in the third and jamarcus was drafted in the first? well there is also a reason that you had the first overall pick to get jamarcus because your ****ing SUCK. why do you think jamarcus will be so good so far he is a bust? this is coming from the same team who drafted a ****ing kicker in the first round you dumbass. your greasy owner obviously went crazy after losing superbowl and you went down with him. just shut the **** up

schwab776
08-04-2008, 11:51 PM
oh and by the way the chiefs arent in kansas you ignorant mother****er they are in missouri

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 12:26 AM
Hi Schwab776, you should post on the New Guest forum on the chiefs...lol.

Cali.....Im going to end this conversation with you right now, if you seriously thought law was good in anyway, and if you thought he had playmaking ability still.LMAO. LJ isnt ran into the ground, he was out of shape last season, and when he got back into it, he got injured. The reason anyone has talked highly of JR, is because of his rocket arm, his work ethic, and his accuracy has always been questioned. Raiders just couldnt beleive how far he could throw it. Yeah we got rid of JA, thank god for you guys, he averaged like 2 sacks a game. however, getting pressure up the middle will make it better for the DEs, which is exactly what dorsey will do. Tank Tyler, when he starts, not IF, but when he starts, Dmac is going to be ran into the ground, he wont hold up with those chicken legs of his. Im glad you choose out of shaped chubby people over slim and in shape people(Croyle and russell). Russel is getting put in a better situation than Croyle was in last year, I think. Croyle had no run game, unproven WR in Bowe, who turned out fine, leagues worst O-line, and a defense that was beginning to crumble and an OC who was horrid at playcalling. This year, Croyle will play with LJ for the first time, our O-line is totally different than last year, and WAY better than last years. We have good options at WR, more than just Bowe, and more than just TG at TE. Most of all, we got one of the greatest OC minds in Chan Gailey, who is going to help this offense, ALOT. Learn something about the chiefs before you post, you make yourself look more like an idiot than you already are. Come into the Chiefs forum, or any other forum, and talk **** about the team without even having a legit knowledge of anything, prepared to be humiliated. However, thats kind of how you have been the past 5 years isnt it? So, I guess this is truly your only excitement to come into a chiefs forum and try and act like your a knowledgeable person about the team, when you barely even know the facts of your own team. Thank god for Wikipedia and Yahoo answers, or you would have no clue what you are talking about.

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 12:28 AM
yea and you solidified you run defence how?
getting rid of allen and drafting glenn dorsey who already has hurt his bum knee.
not to mention with herm as your coach charles would be lucky to last 4 season in the nlf. johnson is already breaking down under your coach, after he is gone its going to be charles turn to be over worked and break down season after season.
and you got rid of your best leader and player on defence no wait two of your best players. law and allen, without them your secondary is going to be nothing but average. who is going to put pressure on the qb? hali?? he will be double teamed now that allen is gone, and law is the main reason your safteys were good he took alot of the pressure off of them because of his experience and play making ability, now you have surtain as your best cb, and he has been washed up since his miami days.

You have to be the Stupidest Som B i t c h alive! Shut up! Its obvious you dont know your a s s from the hole in Al Davis head. So leave! When the Chiefs line up against them raiders you are going to get educated real quick!!! I will say thank you for using your #4 pick to take McFadden though. That means we got Dorsey! We will have the better end of that deal far after McFadden is washed up.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 12:52 AM
Yeah i cant thank the raiders enough from being so idiotic and taking a RB, one the least needs they had. RB wasnt even a need, what am i talking about lol

schwab776
08-05-2008, 01:21 PM
alright my bad kcfanbaby lol

cali72888
08-05-2008, 03:05 PM
you guys are the one comparing charles to mcfadden,
you dont see us comparing damn johnny lee higgens to ur reciever bowe you morons. you o-line is not improved, how tell me????
you have miamis ex tackle starting, a beatup ex tightend starting, and some no names. you will have the worst o line again this season, there is not one single thing you guys did to fix the line except draft albert who is already hurt. a rookie is not fixing your line, its a gamble on fixing your o line and unless you drafted a joe staley then your not going to see him thrive untill at least next season.
and dorsey has not proven anything, he is already injured and cannot get his experience at DT, and you morons are contradicting your statement when you say dorsey will fix our run defence while then you say tank diddent play last season because he was a rookie and rookie DT dont play much....
so then how will he fix your defence????
same goes with flowers, he is a ROOKIE what dont you understand about that, he has not proven anything......all his ball he has played in collage and highschool doesent mean **** now because he is in the nfl. know one knows if he is going to even make one interception in the nfl until he steps on to the field. you guys are writing checks you cannot cash.
at least with russle i can say i have seen him play and i have seen the throws he can make. after years of watching nfl qb's throw the ball there is nobody who has the arm russle does, thats why i can say i think he will be a star.(along with all the others who say he will be a star "bill walsh")
but to say that flowers and dorsey will make that much an impact on your team next season is idiotic when you say yourself that first year dt dont play much and russle hasent proven ****, well guess what, all your saviors on defence and offence, they havent proven ****.
and with us drafting mcfadden, yea we did not need to take him but he is somthing special that why we passed on dorsey and all the other players who fell. our offence is fine we just added a piece that will blow it wide open, the playmaker we need to bust off big runs. i just think you all comparing your third rounder to our player taken with the #4 pick is a joke, when if you did watch the draft and actually pay attention to what has been going on in the NFL and NCAA you would know that charles was drafted in the third round for a reason, and mcfadden was taken #4 for a reason.........
get your facts straight

Thearchitect33
08-05-2008, 03:11 PM
This guy is a moron. Ty Law taking pressure off of anyone? That's got to be the biggest joke I've ever heard. Sadly that wasn't the case. With all the mutual ties between he and Herm do you think there would be a chance in hell that Herm would let him go if he was still worth anything? I think not. But hey Cali, judging by your intellect, and the Raiders idiotic behavior (always but this year in particular) you must be in the front office, so why don't you guys sign Ty Law and release Asomugha? Apparently Ty Law has more ability.

By the way, have fun with your XXL sized quarterback when he can't move because his knees won't hold up his fat a s s. Oh yeah, and have fun with keeping him upright with your horrible pass blocking. Regardless of what Bill Walsh had to say about either one of them, it doesn't mean anything until they get on the field. I'm sure some Hall of Fame hot shot said great things about Ryan Leaf. Since you are a drooling mouth breather I'll tell you what happened there. He was the biggest bust in the history of the NFL draft. Don't get too upset about that though, Russell may give him a run for his money.

Regarding running backs, I'd be careful what I say. Not only do you guys waste high draft picks on players you don't need at running back, but you also have shown the idiotic tendency to take career underachievers who have one good year. So if we have any run-down runningbacks, there's a good chance they'll end up in the silver and black. How sweet would that be.

In closing, you are a king-sized jacka s s. Go back to the Raiders forum where I'm sure your superior intelligence makes you one of the premier posters. Go there and make yourself feel pretty. Don't come back to play with the big boys until you can make an intelligible point. Oh I'm sorry, that word's too big for you. It means don't come back until you get smarter...short answer, never.

Thearchitect33
08-05-2008, 03:14 PM
Also, if you want to talk contradictions, then quit saying Russell is going to be something special, or McFadden for that matter, because last time I checked they haven't done squat.
Oh, I guess we should take advice on the Raiders for how to fix an O-line. Last time I checked your O-line saviors from two consecutive high draft picks have been significantly less than expected, particularly the most sure-fire tackle in years (Robert Gallery). If anyone should know about how often those next-big-thing guys don't amount to anything.

RustShack
08-05-2008, 03:23 PM
The only thing we compared to McFadden was speed until you came around talking **** you douche bag. Sorry that our RB is faster than yours and it upsets you. Here let me break down the Oline for you.

Last year- McIntosh-Waters-Weigmann-Welborne-Terry
This year- Alberts---Waters--Niswanger-Jones----McIntosh

Alberts is an upgrade over McIntosh, Waters is still a Pro Bowl caliber player, Niswanger is actually big enough to play center in our system so its an upgrade, anyone is better than Welbourn was for us at RG, and McIntosh is a big upgrade over Terry. Our line actually wasn't terrible until McIntosh got hurt, he isn't really all that bad. Law was great 5 years ago, hes old and washed up now. Doresy is the best DT to come out of the draft since Warren Sapp, and Flowers was the best CB in the draft in terms of players who would fit our system best. I really haven't read half the **** you wrote because its too long, full or errors, and you don't have a clue what your talking about... so I don't know what I missed. You don't have a clue what your talking about when it comes to the Chiefs, so go back to your own forum. Also you don't have much room to talk, your team is just as bad.

cali72888
08-05-2008, 03:27 PM
first of all your last post did not awnser anything i said in the previous post. all you say is russle is fat when that is what the media has told you.
shows how stupid you are listening to the media when all our team is making a joke about it because russle is at him comfortable weight.
if i were you i would be worried about your qbs weight and hieght issues, last time i checked there are not to many qbs who are very good that are 6"2.

and what about your rookies and how they will solitify your defence huh?????
and how flowers is better then surtain.....???
you havent even seen flowers, dorsey, albert even step foot on arrowhead statium so how are they going to pan out?
you look into your ********* crystal ball and tell me what they are going to do next season since you can tell the future when you havent even seen them play.
you dont even respect the game the way you talk about NFL legends like that Bill walsh and Al Davis created the NFL as we know it today. if it wasent for those two people then it is very likley that there would be zero football on tv today. so before you go off ripping on the makers of the game give yorself a little history lesson and look up Al Davis and Bill Walsh online, you can even goole it you moron, and it will tell you why these people are the foundation of what is the NFL

cali72888
08-05-2008, 03:33 PM
or possibly you can look into your own teams history and see that the owner you call a idiot(Al Davis) and Lamar Hunt together merged the leagues......you own owner even knows how important this raiders franchise is.

Thearchitect33
08-05-2008, 03:52 PM
I never said that Al Davis or Bill Walsh weren't important people. However, Al Davis has always been a crybaby maverick that the rest of the league has been forced to pacify. I made no ill comments about Bill Walsh except that he can't predict the future. I guess since you can though that we're all okay.

You can keep defending your quarterback, but regardless of whether he weighs 240 or 435, he still hasn't done squat. If you guys are comfortable with a tub of lard under center, fine. No matter what he weighs or what he's "comfortable" weighing, he still has to play the game. By the way, Russell has been nothing if not comfortable. He's been comfortable at the detriment of his team from day one, holding out for a massive contract and then not even getting on the field. Keep him comfortable, and make sure he doesn't have any complaints, and he'll keep taking your money to the bank while doing precisely nothing to earn it. Douche.

You're right though, no quarterback in the NFL can do well unless they are at least 6'3". Here's a list of guys under 6'3" who are successful NFL quarterbacks. Brees (6'0"), Romo (6'2"), Favre (6'2"), McNabb (6'2"), Garcia (6'1"). Good call idiot. Do some homework before you make a completely arbitrary statement.

Thearchitect33
08-05-2008, 04:07 PM
listen man. You are entitled to your opinion just like anyone else. You might want to take it somewhere where there are people dumb enough to think its worth anything though. You are pretty far down on the ladder as far as intelligence goes, but I'm sure you can find someone dumber in the Raiders forum. After all, I once read a story about a mentally ******** kid leaving the school for the mentally challenged and joining the Raiders forum on PSD. Raised the IQ of both places.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 04:18 PM
first of all your last post did not awnser anything i said in the previous post. all you say is russle is fat when that is what the media has told you.
shows how stupid you are listening to the media when all our team is making a joke about it because russle is at him comfortable weight.
if i were you i would be worried about your qbs weight and hieght issues, last time i checked there are not to many qbs who are very good that are 6"2.

and what about your rookies and how they will solitify your defence huh?????
and how flowers is better then surtain.....???
you havent even seen flowers, dorsey, albert even step foot on arrowhead statium so how are they going to pan out?
you look into your ********* crystal ball and tell me what they are going to do next season since you can tell the future when you havent even seen them play.
you dont even respect the game the way you talk about NFL legends like that Bill walsh and Al Davis created the NFL as we know it today. if it wasent for those two people then it is very likley that there would be zero football on tv today. so before you go off ripping on the makers of the game give yorself a little history lesson and look up Al Davis and Bill Walsh online, you can even goole it you moron, and it will tell you why these people are the foundation of what is the NFL

Yeah, Brees, Kitna, Romo, Favre, McNabb, Warner....Dear god if i should say.....Steve Young. You have seen what Russel can do?! Yeah, his 55.6 QB rating and 2 TDs vs 4 INTs is something Id be happy with. That was with a very successfull Running game mind you. Im happy with Croyles 69.9 QB rating, and going 6TDs vs. 6INTs, and this with the leagues WORST run offense. With LJ, Croyle is only going to do better, JR had a run game, and did horrible. So you want to talk ****, back it up with some evidence, well, you really cant, because i just gave you the cold hard facts. Actually, we have seen every single rookie step out on the Arrowhead field, its called Training Camp. How do we know flower is better than surtain? Because Flowers sticks to Dwayne Bowe like glue, Surtain doesnt, Flowers sticks to every WR like glue, Surtain sometimes does. How is he better than Law? Law was ****, slow, and horrid against man to man or even zone. If anything our Safeties help make law look even half decent. Dorsey is an upgrade at DT, ove who we had last year, and Dorsey has already shown in TC, that he is stout against the run. Albert has the Athleticism to match up with the best DEs in the league, his footwork just needs a little help. I look into the future and I see, KC winning in Oakland and At home vs. Oakland. Give yourself a little football history buddy, you can google it yourself, Lamar Hunt, and Vince Lombardi...they had way more impacts than Walsh did. Wonder why the trophies in the AFC is called the Lamar Hunt trophy, and the SB trophy is called the Lombardi trophy? Its certainly not the Al Davis or Walsh Trophy.

Thearchitect33
08-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Excellent post fanbaby. I have to agree with everything you said. This guy is a joke, just like his team.

FKNRUEHH925
08-05-2008, 05:29 PM
sorry i dont have the best grammer i could really care less when talking to you douches.
you are all in denial thinking that the chiefs are going to be any good, your defence really??? you got rid of one of your best players in allen and dorsey is already hurt. your secondary was bad last season and the only backer i can name on ur team is edwards(old), o and the bust johnson.
russle has a cannon and is an up and coming star, you cant say that about croyle all he has done is struggle. russle has thrown one int in camp and deagelo hall said he throws so hard the only person who can catch the ball is the person he is throwing to. see what your WR says about russle, i guarantee that he thinks he will be a star.
you secondary is going to be one of the best, what are you smoking crack?
you just let go your starting saftey (who will play backup for us), and your corners are average at best.
lets compare secondarys and line backers for a second.....
chiefs.....
LB: edwards, johnson, thomas....the best out of the bunch is edwards who is not too impressive. thomas has never been a full time starter, and johnson who cannot fight through a block if his life depended on it.
Secondary: Surtain, flowers, page, pollard...... surtain is a miami outcast who can easly be beaten in coverage, flowers is a rookie and unproven, your safteys are good but will be exposed because your CB's are weak.
Raiders:
LB: howard, morrison, thomas.....howard and morrison both have put up great numbers without any d-line, morrison and howard are great in pass coverage as well as the run, both players should get a look at the pro bowl this season. thomas is a decent LB, but will be pushed hard for his spot by heartwell and riki brown, wouldent be surprised to see heartwell starting if he can get back into his old form, and riki brown has a good chance to see the field alot this season.
secondary: Aso, Hall, Wilson, Huff
aso is the best coverage corner in the league, hall has made multiple pro bowls, wilson just won the superbowl and averages 100+ tackles at saftey. huff has not met expectations but has been playing out of position, look for him to be a surprise on our defence this season.
Raiders defence>Chiefs defence
Raiders offence and chiefs offence are still developing so its hard to say whos will be better, but i know for a fact that our o-lines run blocking is far superior to your lines run blocking.

you cant really talk about the past either because that image the raiders have has won them 3 superbowls and gotten them to 5, your chiefs have only won 1 and been in 2 since the league started not to mention they were both over 30 years ago.......so if you want to look at the big picture, your chiefs havent done much to challeng the raiders legacy.

ok first of all u are a lot of talk for someone who is comparing stats from the 80's. the Chiefs won more games in the past 2 years than the Raiders have won in like 6 combined haha. last year the raiders were somp like (dont quote me cuz it could b a lil off) but somp like 31st agenst the run (with warren sapp) 26th agents the pass (with osi and huff) u lost sapp, you added D. Hall who is the most overrated corner in the game, who is most famous for the play where Hines Ward out ran him with one shoe haha. This past off season you were looking for trade options for huff, ur QB was pushing 300 pounds behind a child o-line. dont get me wrong ur d will be better agenst the pass but everyone will run the ball down ur thoughts, and having great corners dont mean **** when they always have to support the run. J. Walker wanted to retire you have no oline no receivers. the chiefs got more WR'S, Bowe look amazing being the #1 guy and now we have more depth at the position and u wanna compare dmac to Charles. lets compare him to LJ.... not even close.......and just remember Croyle Lost 9 games in row playing with a hurt RB our original #1 receiver in Kenninson was hurt. we have better oline, better receivers, better running game, better defense (i would take Dorsey over Allen) Dorsey can do things Allen cant, make our LB job's much easier and with the departure of Law our safeties will be MUCH better not having to cover up his slack!

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 05:33 PM
you guys are the one comparing charles to mcfadden,
you dont see us comparing damn johnny lee higgens to ur reciever bowe you morons. you o-line is not improved, how tell me????
you have miamis ex tackle starting, a beatup ex tightend starting, and some no names. you will have the worst o line again this season, there is not one single thing you guys did to fix the line except draft albert who is already hurt. a rookie is not fixing your line, its a gamble on fixing your o line and unless you drafted a joe staley then your not going to see him thrive untill at least next season.
and dorsey has not proven anything, he is already injured and cannot get his experience at DT, and you morons are contradicting your statement when you say dorsey will fix our run defence while then you say tank diddent play last season because he was a rookie and rookie DT dont play much....
so then how will he fix your defence????
same goes with flowers, he is a ROOKIE what dont you understand about that, he has not proven anything......all his ball he has played in collage and highschool doesent mean **** now because he is in the nfl. know one knows if he is going to even make one interception in the nfl until he steps on to the field. you guys are writing checks you cannot cash.
at least with russle i can say i have seen him play and i have seen the throws he can make. after years of watching nfl qb's throw the ball there is nobody who has the arm russle does, thats why i can say i think he will be a star.(along with all the others who say he will be a star "bill walsh")
but to say that flowers and dorsey will make that much an impact on your team next season is idiotic when you say yourself that first year dt dont play much and russle hasent proven ****, well guess what, all your saviors on defence and offence, they havent proven ****.
and with us drafting mcfadden, yea we did not need to take him but he is somthing special that why we passed on dorsey and all the other players who fell. our offence is fine we just added a piece that will blow it wide open, the playmaker we need to bust off big runs. i just think you all comparing your third rounder to our player taken with the #4 pick is a joke, when if you did watch the draft and actually pay attention to what has been going on in the NFL and NCAA you would know that charles was drafted in the third round for a reason, and mcfadden was taken #4 for a reason.........
get your facts straight

Sorry, Jamaal Charles only had 1 season of starting, his JUNIOR season, had he started for 2 years, like McFadden did, he couldve been a first rounder just as well. You would also like to mention that we havent upgraded our O-line?! HAHA, coming from a raider fan who has Gallery(the next great LT to ever come out) talk about a bust, hes a guard now correct?! O and the best thing was, Signing Kwame Harris to protect JRs blindside.LMAO, the guy has a highlight reel of missed blocks. haha. Honestly, your whole line is made from Offcasts, and busts. Our line has 2 guys that are actually respectable players, Adrian and McIntosh, Adrian was a respectable Tackle, but is making a move to guard, Waters has more pro bowl seasons than anyone on your line has successfull seasons. We have Bowe, you have the should be retired Walker. Were on average a way younger team than you guys, which often means more upside.

RustShack
08-05-2008, 06:28 PM
We can kinda tell by how they were so much better in high school and in college than any of our other players, and how they are a lot better in practice than any of our other players, and how they do better in training camp and in scrimages than our other player... Oh and maybe how thier abilitys fit our system better than Vermiels players fit Herm's system.

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 07:03 PM
I was curious what this guy had to say in his own forum so i did something i cant believe and went snooping in the Raiders Forum. Here is a post by Cali in his own forum on Javon Walker.


"this douche is just like moss, only out for himself.
he is mad at the raiders because they have to treat him like a child but in reality he should be treated like a prisoner because he is one of the reasons darrent williams is dead. if it wasent for his loud mouth then maby he would still be with the broncos and his head wouldent be all ****ed up or better yet williams wouldent be dead.....walker is a loser please blow out your knee again and retire so my team doesent have to dish out 11 mill to your sorry excuse for a human being..."

WHAT A DUMB A S S THE RAIDERS ARE GOING TO PAY WALKER REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS. NO WONDER WALKER WANTS TO RETIRE BECAUSE HE IS NOT GETTING SEPERATION ON ANYONE IN PRACTICE!!


Another Article about Kelly posted by someone else.

Here is an intersting read on Tommy Kelly...it doesn't look good and I hope things change before the regular season we really need him to step it up considering how much money we paid him.

Kiffin realizes that the success of his defense, in part, is dependent upon defensive tackle Tommy Kelly's performance. To that end, Kiffin is doing everything he can to get Kelly into football shape.

Kelly spent the entire offseason rehabilitating the left knee he injured midway through last season. He gained strength through seemingly endless weight-training sessions. However, he also gained some unwanted girth.

On Saturday, Kiffin installed a sequence where the offense scrimmaged against the defense in 10-play drives, with the defenders prohibited from leaving the field. He said he wanted to gauge the game-readiness of his players.

Kelly's huffing and puffing, as well as his tardiness getting in position before the snap, showed that he has a ways to go.

"As far as Tommy, it is a concern," Kiffin said. "He's one of the main reasons that we're doing that drill."

Kelly was listed at 300 pounds last season. Kiffin said Kelly is at 330 these days. He is limited to one practice per day, with his down time spent riding an exercise bike, lifting weights and partaking in individual drills.

"He's a force, he's strong as an ox," Kiffin said. "We've just got to get him into game shape so that he can play a lot of plays for us, so we don't have to be taking him in and out. He should do a lot for us."

Steve Corkran

KELLY HAS BEEN EATING TO MUCH KFC AND PORK RYNES!


Here is another post by someone else about Deangelo Hall

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall was scorched for a pair of touchdown passes by Smith to Jason Hill, one on a corner route to the left and another on a fade pattern to the right. Later, wide receiver Robert Ortiz got open over the middle against Hall but Smith’s pass sailed high.

THE KID THAT BEAT HALL WAS A UNDRAFTED WIDE RECIEVER!!

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 07:13 PM
No F u king Wonder this guy is pissed off and he is snooping around in the Chiefs forum. The Raiders are in complete disarray as a team from the top down and he knows that when it comes time to play the Chiefs, his raiders are getting thier a s s kicked. Now dumb a s s why dont you come into our forum and read our training camp reports and see if you read any of the S H I T about the Chiefs that i found on your forum!! All your going to find about Chiefs Training Camp is how much the young rookies are impressing nearly every day and making impressive plays. U want to talk s h i t about the Chiefs and if they were to line up today your Raiders would still go down without Dorsey and Albert!! Talk About a Joke!!

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 08:10 PM
A quote from ours truly, Brodie Croyle, someone who would know about Jamaal Charles.

CROYLE: “With RB Jamaal Charles, he’s the fastest guy I’ve ever played with in the pros or in college. There aren’t a whole lot of guys who can bounce it out and outrun a corner and a safety. He’s got that kind of speed. He’s probably one of our best pass blockers. He gets really excited when he picks up a blitz and he stalemates ‘em. He also runs between the tackles pretty well."

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 08:26 PM
You still have the thinnest WR corp in the NFL. I will admit Ron Curry looks like he has improved his health from last year and will be your best reciever again despite he is almost 30. Drew Carter hardly ever played down in Carolina. After that whos your other recievers? I think the Raider passing game will have problems this year. Better be hoping that the run game is good. Otherwise you all will again have a top 5 pick for Al Davis to blow.

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Go rap on your own team which has plenty of holes in it and keep some vasciline handy for the f u k ing your gonna get come Sept. 14th at Arrowhead!!

rhensley3
08-05-2008, 09:28 PM
A quote from ours truly, Brodie Croyle, someone who would know about Jamaal Charles.

CROYLE: ďWith RB Jamaal Charles, heís the fastest guy Iíve ever played with in the pros or in college. There arenít a whole lot of guys who can bounce it out and outrun a corner and a safety. Heís got that kind of speed. Heís probably one of our best pass blockers. He gets really excited when he picks up a blitz and he stalemates Ďem. He also runs between the tackles pretty well."

i listened to that interview today. if he delivers...it'll be sweet!!!

rhensley3
08-05-2008, 09:31 PM
raiderfan wont go away if you argue with him. dont forget you have the use of the "ignore" feature. log his handle in and his posts will disappear from your sight......like magic!

Kcfanbaby212*
08-05-2008, 09:36 PM
yeah, we got accustomed to that button, remember "CHIEFS".

touchdown bowe
08-05-2008, 10:37 PM
Raiders fans...ROFL..always think theyre the best

BigRatt
08-05-2008, 10:58 PM
raiderfan wont go away if you argue with him. dont forget you have the use of the "ignore" feature. log his handle in and his posts will disappear from your sight......like magic!

Yeah, i couldn't resist i had to go one more round. Now i feel refreshed! How do i get to that ignore button?

touchdown bowe
08-06-2008, 02:06 PM
When JaMarcus Russell gets released from the Raiders in a few years he should open a donut shop

rhensley3
08-06-2008, 09:19 PM
Yeah, i couldn't resist i had to go one more round. Now i feel refreshed! How do i get to that ignore button?

go into your user cp, then go down to misc...click on buddy/ignore list...then enter the name of those you dont wish to view, and "POOF" they're gone!!!

cali72888
08-07-2008, 02:07 PM
did you guys hear them say anything about how charles is doing at camp??
o yea that was mc fadden, i forgot charles is an nobody and will be for a very long time.

RustShack
08-07-2008, 02:42 PM
did you guys hear them say anything about how charles is doing at camp??
o yea that was mc fadden, i forgot charles is an nobody and will be for a very long time.

I've actually heard that he break a couple to the outside everyday and no one can touch him because hes too fast. They also say he hits the holes a lot better than expected, and he isn't fumbling like in college. Also he has been very good blocking and can catch very well out of the backfield. Thats all I've heard though. I'm sure chicken leg GayFadden is doing much much better though. At least I would hope your top 5(what a piss poor investment) RB is doing better than our back up RB.

touchdown bowe
08-07-2008, 03:58 PM
did you guys hear them say anything about how charles is doing at camp??
o yea that was mc fadden, i forgot charles is an nobody and will be for a very long time.

Theres no space between McFadden you dumba s s. And Charles has been nothing but impressive.

Chiefs316
08-07-2008, 04:02 PM
Did you guys know that Jackie Battle is listed as the number 2 runningback on the chiefs website....why is that? He is followed by Kolbyu followed by charles.....can anybody explain this because what isaw at trainging camp when i went there....Charles looked alot better than battle but battle looked about as good as Kolby? i don't get this

RustShack
08-07-2008, 04:09 PM
Battle is bigger and stronger, he is more of a bruiser running back. We are a power running team. We have 5 RB's that can play in the NFL, and I think we keep four this year and one FB. Savage will be the odd man our with a shot at the PS. I think we will keep one FB, but Hoyte could also make the roster as a LB.

touchdown bowe
08-07-2008, 04:12 PM
This is preseason too..things will change as we get closer to the season. Kolby and Charles will still get their share of carries if Battle remains the #2 RB

Kcfanbaby212*
08-07-2008, 04:26 PM
i expect at some point and time, that KS will reclaim the 2nd RB spot, hes injured right now, so that could be why. Charles will make it as our special RB, which could be either 3rd or 4th, or however they decide to use him.

rhensley3
08-09-2008, 01:43 PM
i thought battle looked very "ho-hum" against chicago. charles' on-field vision needs to develop more, though.

Thearchitect33
08-09-2008, 03:22 PM
I agree that Battle didn't look so great, but it doesn't really matter. Pretty much everyone has known from the beginning how the runningback position would shake out. Normally you would only keep a total of four runningbacks, unless you're the Raiders and then you carry like six for some dumb reason. Since we will be carrying a fullback (in my opinion it should be Mike Cox) on the 53 man roster, that leaves only three true tailbacks. Of course LJ has a spot locked up there, and I believe that regardless of injury Kolby also has a spot pretty much locked up. There's no way that they are going to send a third round draft pick (Charles) and a guy that provides so much versatility, so many options to the PS. That being said, if Battle is to make the final roster, he will have to beat out Kolby Smith. Because of Kolby's experience and dependability, I don't see that happening. I think Dantrell Savage and Jackie Battle will both be Practice Squad players for at least one more season.

touchdown bowe
08-09-2008, 05:08 PM
Umm..if we send a player to the practice squad, dont other NFL teams have a shot at picking these guys up before they get to the PS?

RustShack
08-09-2008, 05:13 PM
Yeah any other team can pick players off of Practice Squads. Thats how we got Thigpen from the Vikings and how the Colts got Lilija from us. Its a risk you take when you try sneaking a player on the PS. Most of the time there is a reason they don't make the roster though.

touchdown bowe
08-09-2008, 05:19 PM
If Battle and Savage dont make the team, other teams will know its because we already have good depth at RB. I know another NFL team would take a chance on Battle because of his physical running. I really think we keep battle, unless somebody gets injured and we might cut im in order to sign their replacement.

Thearchitect33
08-09-2008, 11:02 PM
I agree that it would be nice to hold on to all of the guys we have at camp at runningback. I think all of them have a legitimate chance to be at the very least solid contributors. However, if we carry more than three or four runningbacks on the final roster, it costs us important depth at other positions. If we keep B.J. Sams as a kick returner, that's another wasted roster spot. Start adding it up and pretty quick you have kept a few players that might prove to be good, if they ever get any carries, and you have hurt yourself at other positions on the roster. It's just not a wise thing to do. Although people sometimes get signed away from you when you try to sneak them onto the practice squad, more often teams are unwilling to take a chance on a guy who wasn't good enough to make your roster and has very little or no real experience.

RustShack
08-09-2008, 11:59 PM
As soon as Robinson returns Sams is gone. Robinson will make the roster as our final reciever and as our returnman. We will only keep one FB and I feel that will be Cox. I think Hoyte might make the roster as a LB, and if Cox gets hurt we can throw him over there. It really depends on how other positons shape up, and how well they can play on special teams... but we could keep four RB's. We also could try sneaking one or two on the practice squad, but I doubt two of our eight PS guys would be RB's. Actually seven, because if there is eighth guy on the PS he has to be from another country.

DKKC
08-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Wasnt the alloted roster number knocked up this year? I thought teams were allowed to carry a few more guys which could end up letting us keep an extra running back on the squad. And I would be suprised to see Hoyte get cut from the squad, he plays FB, LB, and seems like he's going to be a decent ST player.

RustShack
08-10-2008, 12:08 AM
I think the TC number was moved up a little more, but its actually smaller than normal because there isn't the players they sent to NFLE anymore.

rhensley3
08-10-2008, 01:27 PM
i think its too early to guess or speculate. it looks to me like every position is open competition for the 2-deep roster. i dont think you can have a career with the chiefs on the injured list anymore. i really believe this year is put up or shut up...and if you cant play...you cant play.

kcchiefs_82
08-10-2008, 03:47 PM
How many recievers do you guys think we will keep I think we will keep 6 or 7.

I say 7 because I want to keep Sippio and Price cause they both were impressive.

RustShack
08-10-2008, 04:30 PM
Probably five... six at the very most.

Thearchitect33
08-10-2008, 04:52 PM
If you have five receivers it gets a lot less interesting as to who will make the team. Of course Bowe, Darling, Franklin, and Webb would seem like almost shoo-ins. That leaves you one spot. The most likely candidate for that spot would be Robinson which would leave Sippio and Price out in the cold.

RustShack
08-10-2008, 05:02 PM
Price will make the roster as a "WR" before Robinson does. I do think Robinson will be a lock on the team though as a returnman. I think Price might make the roster, and it could be between him and Battle for who makes the final roster. It really depends on how many bodies they thing they need at other positions too.

BigRatt
08-10-2008, 05:51 PM
Price will make the roster as a "WR" before Robinson does. I do think Robinson will be a lock on the team though as a returnman. I think Price might make the roster, and it could be between him and Battle for who makes the final roster. It really depends on how many bodies they thing they need at other positions too.

I would rather have Price on the roster than Battle! We have a log jam at RB as it is. I was rather impressed with Price the other night. A couple of years to develop and Price is going to be a good one.

BigRatt
08-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Herm and Preifer are both enamored with the Okie from Muscogi. I really like Savage he showed a good burst and he could figure into the return duties before its over.

kcchiefs_82
08-10-2008, 06:19 PM
I would like our recivers to be Bowe, Webb, Franklin, Darling, Price and Sippio if we keep 6.

Thearchitect33
08-10-2008, 06:34 PM
That would be nice, but then you've left out Robinson, who is a home-run hitter on punt returns. Who do you suggest would fill that spot? Keep in mind that you've left out the guy currently handling those duties in the preseason as well (B.J. Sams). I suppose we could use Charles, but after watching video of this guy at work in college, he could be spectacular as a punt returner, something I think every Chiefs fan knows we need.

Thearchitect33
08-10-2008, 06:36 PM
by the way, I meant watching videos of Robinson. He'll make the team. I think Price is the one most likely to be left out in the cold because Sippio has somehow gained quite a following among Chiefs fans. However, I could see them leaving Sippio out in favor of Price because Price is younger and has better upside. Sippio is just not fast enough to get good separation, and him being another year older isn't going to improve that. If anything, it will make it worse.

RustShack
08-10-2008, 06:38 PM
Price will make it before Sippio, easy.

Thearchitect33
08-10-2008, 06:41 PM
That would be the wise thing to do. However, Sippio does have more experience in the system and in general. According to an article I read somewhere, he is somewhat of a damper for Bowe as well. He is somewhat the elder statesman of the WR corps.

kcchiefs_82
08-10-2008, 07:22 PM
I want to keep Robinson but I would not want to be the guy making the decision between Sippio and Price. that would be a tough one.

Thearchitect33
08-10-2008, 07:32 PM
I agree with you there. I think either one of those could be good. Sure they bring a little different talents and qualities to the table, but I think overall, they both could be contributors.

kcchiefs_82
08-10-2008, 08:29 PM
I think that if Sippio was faster he could start. I realy like this guys ability and size.

touchdown bowe
08-10-2008, 09:32 PM
Keep price and dump Sippio if it comes down to it. Sippio is already in his upper 20's anyways. Price outplayed him in Chicago even tho they both had crutial TD's. I say we keep Bowe, Darling, Franklin, Webb, Robinson, Sams, & Price.

RustShack
08-10-2008, 09:52 PM
Dump Sams..

kcchiefs_82
08-10-2008, 11:12 PM
Ya if u have all them dump Sams and keep Sippio.

RustShack
08-11-2008, 01:24 AM
Or dump Sams and keep Robinson... We will only keep five, maybe six WR's at max. Sams isn't even a WR, he isn't anything but a returnman. If Robinson makes the roster no way Sams does. I'm pretty sure once Robinson comes back this week he will seal the deal and Sams wont be on the opening day roster He might even be cut in the first wave of cuts so he has a chance to catch on with another team.

KC-TC
08-11-2008, 11:20 AM
Sams is done. He won't make it. I also doubt Sippio makes it. They may try to sneak him onto the practice squad but if he was going to make the team by now there wouldn't be any question regarding him. It should tell us something that he's been around this long and we still don't know if he's going to make the team.

touchdown bowe
08-11-2008, 02:29 PM
If we put sippio on the PS the Bears will pick him up

kcchiefs_82
08-11-2008, 02:59 PM
Sams is done. He won't make it. I also doubt Sippio makes it. They may try to sneak him onto the practice squad but if he was going to make the team by now there wouldn't be any question regarding him. It should tell us something that he's been around this long and we still don't know if he's going to make the team.

He as only been around for 2 years. He was in the arena league before he came to the NFL.

RustShack
08-11-2008, 03:06 PM
He was actually in the NFL his rookie year when he was drafted by the Dolphins at his natural position of CB. Either way I really doubt he makes the team, or anyone picks him up. So maybe if one of our WR's gets hurt we could see him back for a little bit sometime.

touchdown bowe
08-11-2008, 05:21 PM
I think a team like the 49rs might pick him up since they lack talent at the WR position.

RustShack
08-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Probably not...

touchdown bowe
08-11-2008, 08:28 PM
meh..maybe he will go back to arena league and play for the Brigade..cuz they need him bad

Kcfanbaby212*
08-11-2008, 11:07 PM
This is an easy situation to do. Cut sams, and keep Sippio, because we brought sams in to compete for KR/PR duties, and that was it, we drafted Robinson just for that purpose, so I would give the rookie over the injury prone sams. Thats just me.

touchdown bowe
08-11-2008, 11:18 PM
Sams is my idol tho..he tore his ACL like me :D

Kcfanbaby212*
08-11-2008, 11:38 PM
all sam ever did was Return.

RustShack
08-11-2008, 11:50 PM
Sams has been moved around to diffrent positions and he can't do anything else. Robinson will be our KR/PR and he CAN line up at WR also, I just hope they don't try using him as much as the tried using Dante Hall on offense ever. Sippio is likely done with the Chiefs and NFL, I hate to say it because I'm a big fan of him and would love to see him succed, I just think the odds are too great for him to overcome.

rhensley3
08-12-2008, 09:15 AM
Sams is done. He won't make it. I also doubt Sippio makes it. They may try to sneak him onto the practice squad but if he was going to make the team by now there wouldn't be any question regarding him. It should tell us something that he's been around this long and we still don't know if he's going to make the team.

this is actually he beginning of sippio's second season. he was a mid-season addition last year...only after the injuries began. i have yet to see him drop a pass, and he had some very clutch catches during the game winning drive against chicago.

you arent going to make this team from the tub. if robinson doesnt get his butt on the field, he wont be here long...reguardless how "good" he is. i believe that performance is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not you make this team.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-12-2008, 09:27 AM
this is actually he beginning of sippio's second season. he was a mid-season addition last year...only after the injuries began. i have yet to see him drop a pass, and he had some very clutch catches during the game winning drive against chicago.

you arent going to make this team from the tub. if robinson doesnt get his butt on the field, he wont be here long...reguardless how "good" he is. i believe that performance is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not you make this team.

how long did he play in the AFL?

touchdown bowe
08-12-2008, 02:23 PM
Robinson is like 3 or 4 years younger than Sippio. It would be ******** to keep Sippio and dump Robinson

RustShack
08-12-2008, 02:48 PM
Even if Robinson didn't make the roster, Sippio still wouldn't. I'm pretty sure once Robinson returns... which is supposed to be this week, he will make the team.

kcchiefs_82
08-12-2008, 03:03 PM
I hope Trevor Johnson returns soon He was doing good in camp. Does anyone know hew long it will be.

RustShack
08-12-2008, 03:15 PM
Shouldn't be much longer, I don't think it was a serious injury.

kcchiefs_82
08-12-2008, 04:33 PM
Im glad I want to see him before the preseason ended.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-12-2008, 05:39 PM
I want too see McBride step up, hes a 2nd round pick, and now he needs to live up to it. He cant be any worse than Boone as a Pass rusher, I think Rust called that one perfect, as alot of us could figure out, Boone is a natural DT, and doesnt have the speed to play DE, he has quickness, but no speed. Hali I hope can adjust to the other side, because we are going to need him to make plays for us. However, I def. think boone was our weakest link last week on the D-line, he was creating, NO pressure at ALL.

RustShack
08-12-2008, 05:45 PM
I think Boone is our best Dlineman right now...

Kcfanbaby212*
08-12-2008, 05:47 PM
Well, Boone may be, but he is in no way a DE for the NFL, hes a pure DT. He creates pressure up the middle, and thats what he is good at, and thats what he should do. I would Certainly like for Tank to step up and claim a starting job, however, i wouldnt be sad if our D-line looked like this. Hali-Dorsey-Boone-McBride.

RustShack
08-12-2008, 05:50 PM
I would be sad if it looks like that, now if Hali and McBride were switched around I wouldn't mind it a bit.

Kcfanbaby212*
08-12-2008, 05:52 PM
I would be sad if it looks like that, now if Hali and McBride were switched around I wouldn't mind it a bit.

well im not saying that would be the order, Im just saying, thats the 4 i wouldnt mind starting.

kcchiefs_82
08-12-2008, 07:10 PM
I want Hali to go back to LE so bad. He was getting pressure almost every play. It worked great with him and allen both speed rushing and getting in there almost every time.

touchdown bowe
08-12-2008, 09:40 PM
well..the offensive gameplan for the other team was always to keep Allen contained..Allen is gone now..Tamba is the biggest threat so theyre gonna plan against him most likely..and if Dorsey comes along theyll get him too if they can. Im rooting for Johnston to get a starting DE job so bad

kcchiefs_82
08-12-2008, 10:10 PM
I would like it to look like this if Johnston can come up in the depthchart. RE Johnston/ Johnson DT Tank/Dorsey LE Hali/Turk