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worldbfree
08-01-2008, 07:04 PM
When it's all said and done who will be ranked higher?


Kobe Bryant
29 years old, 6-5, 200, SG


Kobe's accomplishments
3-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007
10-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007
10-time All-NBA Selection:
First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008
Second Team: 2000, 2001
Third Team: 1999, 2005
8-time All-Defensive Selection:
First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008
Second Team: 2001, 2002
NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997

Career Stats
25.0 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 45.3 FG%, 34.0 3P%, 83.9 FT%

Top 3 seasons

2007-2008 28.3 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 45.9 FG%, 36.1 3P%, 84.0 FT%, 82 games, 57-25 record
2002-2003 30.0 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg, 2.2 spg, 0.8 bpg, 45.1 FG%, 38.3 3P%, 84.3 FT%, 82 games, 50-32 record
2005-2006 35.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.4 bpg, 45.0 FG%, 34.7 3P%, 85.0 FT%, 80 games, 45-37 record


Finals Stats
2000 15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.0 spg 36.7 FG%
2001 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg, 1.4 spg, 41.5 FG%
2002 26.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg, 1.5 spg, 52.9 FG%
2004 22.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.8 spg, 38.1 FG%
2008 25.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.0 apg, 2.7 spg, 40.5 FG%


Dwyane Wade
26 years old, 6-4, 216, SG


Accomplishments
NBA Champion: 2006
NBA Finals MVP: 2006
4-time NBA All-Star: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
3-time All-NBA:
Second Team: 2005, 2006
Third Team: 2007
All-Defense:
Second Team: 2005
NBA All-Rookie Team: 2004
NBA All-Star Skills Challenge Champion: 2006, 2007
Bronze medal winner with team USA basketball at the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece
Bronze medal winner with team USA basketball at the 2006 FIBA World Championships
2006 Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year

Career Stats
23.9 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 6.5 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.5 bpg, 48.1 FG%, 25.8 3P%, 77.4 FT%

Top 3 seasons

2005-2006 27.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 6.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.8 bpg, 49.5 FG%, 78.3 FT%, 75 games, 52-30 record
2004-2005 24.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.1 bpg, 47.8 FG%, 76.2 FT%, 77 games, 59-32 record
2006-2007 27.4 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 7.5 apg, 2.1 spg, 1.2 bpg, 49.1 FG%, 80.7 FT%, 51 games, 44-38 record

Finals Stats
2006 34.7 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.7 spg, 46.8 FG%

While Kobe is clearly ahead of Wade now it's not unrealistic to say Wade could end up ahead of Kobe all-time.

In his 3rd NBA season Wade accomplished something most NBA players don't do in an entire career. He won a title as clearly the best player on his team and had a legendary finals series. Wade is also nearly 4 years younger than Bryant and his career averages are about as good.

However Bryant is in better shape, less injury prone and he has a young talented supporting cast that should help him contend for a title for a years.

Wade also has a lot of young talent around him though and he plays in an easier conference. Michael Beasley is the type of player who can come in and average 18/6, Haslem is pretty much a double/double guy and Shawn Marion is a career 18/10 guy. Wade's cast though is nowhere near as good as Kobe's and Miami is not a championship contender yet.

Bryant also has superior longevity with 12 NBA seasons under his belt. Wade only has 5 and only 2 that he didn't miss more than 20 games in.

The ring argument between Kobe and Wade is interesting. Really quality vs quantity. Kobe has 2 more rings but he has only played really well in one of those series and even then he was the second option.

However in 2001 and 2002 Kobe was still a top 5 or 10 player. And Kobe's playoff run in 2001 was truly great.

Kobe's 3 poor final performances may hurt his legacy a bit though. And Wade was without a doubt better in the 2004-2005 season, arguably better in the 2005-2006 season and arguably better prior to his injury in 2006-2007.

The Shaq/Kobe Christmas games and Heat/Lakers games quickly turned into Wade/Kobe matchup.

So a couple of questions.

Will Kobe's legacy be damaged if he never wins a title as the best player on his team?

What does Wade have to do to be recognized as one of the games all-time greats?

I find this a very interesting comparison for a few reasons.

1.Both have often been compared to Michael Jordan.
2.Both played and won titles with Shaq
3.Both play the same position

I think this will be an interesting comparison for quite a few more years. Wade obviously has to do more to be in Bryant's category all-time but what more are you expecting from Wade?

More individual accomplishments(MVP's, scoring titles), another championship or both?

daleja424
08-01-2008, 07:07 PM
I love wade... he isnt in Kobeland yet though. If he stays healthy for the next 5 years and adds a campionship he will be in the discussion though. Wade is just as talented... but lets wait and see at this point

marlinsfan24
08-01-2008, 07:08 PM
Kobe. Wade still has a lot to do before he reaches Kobe's level.

worldbfree
08-01-2008, 07:09 PM
I love wade... he isnt in Kobeland yet though. If he stays healthy for the next 5 years and adds a campionship he will be in the discussion though. Wade is just as talented... but lets wait and see at this point

Just look at what happened when Wade played a much superior team in teh finals and Kobe played a much inferior team. Kobe got shut down, Wade wen off

BADizzleBoY
08-01-2008, 07:10 PM
kobe, move this thread.

greencheese
08-01-2008, 07:13 PM
Wade

KB24>MJ23
08-01-2008, 07:21 PM
Kobe.

GspLAL
08-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Just look at what happened when Wade played a much superior team in teh finals and Kobe played a much inferior team. Kobe got shut down, Wade wen off

WTF are you talkin about? Mavs are superior to this years Celtics? you gotta be shittin me

Master Mind
08-01-2008, 07:27 PM
Kobe.

Your screen name is erroneous...MJ23>>KB24

KB24>DW3 but will eventually be KB24<DW3 if Wade stays healthy...

PhillyLuver
08-01-2008, 09:08 PM
Kobe

Kyben36
08-01-2008, 09:12 PM
doesnt matter, Neither will ever win without Shaq. "You cant do it without me" lol

MiamiHeat
08-01-2008, 09:57 PM
doesnt matter, Neither will ever win without Shaq. "You cant do it without me" lol

wade will prove you wrong,
but i think kobe is better than wade as of right now but if wade stays healthy and improves his shooting he could eventually become better than kobe or same level

phillyphan4ever
08-02-2008, 12:24 AM
Kobe, duh

bogdanrom
08-02-2008, 01:37 AM
Kobe. But it depends if Wade stays healthy.

DQL
08-02-2008, 01:48 AM
I love Wade. He can be as good as Kobe but right now Kobe is better. Kobe has been in the league for 11 years. He sure has done more than Wade

ARMIN12NBA
08-02-2008, 04:18 AM
Wade is still a bad defender and turns the ball over at a ridiculously high rate (4.39 TO). He is also an average midrange shooter (38%) as well as a bad three-point shooter (28%). He will never be at Kobes level whether he is healthy or not. Kobe is a great defender. He turns the ball over (3.1 TO), but nowhere near the rate Wade turns the ball over at and Kobe is a better jumpshooter than Wade (42% midrange and 36% from three).

Crunchy12489
08-02-2008, 04:40 AM
One thing I will say is that Wade will NEVER have Kobe's jumpshot. Ever.

ARMIN12NBA
08-02-2008, 05:06 AM
One thing I will say is that Wade will NEVER have Kobe's jumpshot. Ever.

Then how will Wade become the better all-around player?

Crunchy12489
08-02-2008, 06:03 AM
Then how will Wade become the better all-around player?

He never will.

He may one day almost be on his level, but he will never actually "be" on his level.

Kenny
08-02-2008, 12:04 PM
Kobe and it's not close. Lebron is more talented then both of them

Crunchy12489
08-02-2008, 12:51 PM
Kobe and it's not close. Lebron is more talented then both of them

I agree.

LeBron has more potential than both of them at his age. But right now, I feel as if he's about a yard behind Kobe.

He has better court vision, by far better rebounding, and athleticism + power than both of the two. Despite Kobe being 2nd to him in scoring, I still feel as if Kobe is the better scorer. Kobe's shot selection is better than his I will say that also. Kobe has more in his arsenal, offensively, than LeBron.

Kobe's defense is a wee-bit better than LeBron's, but LeBron can easily elevate that within 2-3 years to be on Kobe's level. He's quick for his size and has long arms. Great shot blocker.

Kobe has the edge defensively because of his experience. He's been holding NBA players for 12 years now.

DQL
08-02-2008, 01:03 PM
I agree Wade will never have Kobe's jump shot but he has the chance to be as good scorer as Kobe. Who cares if they score from outside or inside. 2 pts is 2 pts. btw Wade was 3 for 3 from 3pt line yesterday against Lithunia. He really improved his jumpshot

cambovenzi
08-02-2008, 01:11 PM
I agree Wade will never have Kobe's jump shot but he has the chance to be as good scorer as Kobe. Who cares if they score from outside or inside. 2 pts is 2 pts. btw Wade was 3 for 3 from 3pt line yesterday against Lithunia. He really improved his jumpshot

its fiba rules, so its not really a 3.
and wades shooting skills nare nowhere near kobe's.

DQL
08-02-2008, 02:02 PM
its fiba rules, so its not really a 3.
and wades shooting skills nare nowhere near kobe's.

yeah I totally forgot about that when I was posting. Daleja24 just gave me an explanation 10 minutes ago

Crunchy12489
08-02-2008, 02:07 PM
yeah I totally forgot about that when I was posting. Daleja24 just gave me an explanation 10 minutes ago

I believe that 3PT line is only what, 3-4 inches longer than FIBA?

3-4 inches isn't much man.

rapswin98
08-02-2008, 03:41 PM
wade will get to kobe's level later on in his career he still is going to improve his game because he hasn't reached his prime yet

cambovenzi
08-02-2008, 03:42 PM
I believe that 3PT line is only what, 3-4 inches longer than FIBA?

3-4 inches isn't much man.

feet not inches.

ARMIN12NBA
08-02-2008, 09:54 PM
I believe that 3PT line is only what, 3-4 inches longer than FIBA?

3-4 inches isn't much man.

It is actually 3-4 feet. Not inches.


I agree.

LeBron has more potential than both of them at his age. But right now, I feel as if he's about a yard behind Kobe.

He has better court vision, by far better rebounding, and athleticism + power than both of the two. Despite Kobe being 2nd to him in scoring, I still feel as if Kobe is the better scorer. Kobe's shot selection is better than his I will say that also. Kobe has more in his arsenal, offensively, than LeBron.

Kobe's defense is a wee-bit better than LeBron's, but LeBron can easily elevate that within 2-3 years to be on Kobe's level. He's quick for his size and has long arms. Great shot blocker.

Kobe has the edge defensively because of his experience. He's been holding NBA players for 12 years now.

Lebron averages 2 more rebounds than Kobe, but Lebron plays SF/PF on defense so he is in more of a position to get rebounds. Kobe is the best rebounding guard though so it is a huge stretch to say the words "by far." You mention athleticism and power, but both of those things do not make you the better player. Ask Gerald Green and Tractor Traylor. Green is athletic, but hasn't gone anywhere. Traylor is powerful, but also has gone nowhere with that.

You also mention that Kobe has the edge defensively because of his experience, but you fail to realize something very important. At age 20, Kobe received All-First Team Defensive Honors. At age 22, Kobe was second or third in DPOY voting. Lebron is already turning 24, but is not much of a defender at all. He is barely an average defender at this age let alone a runner up for DPOY and a First-Team All Defensive Player. I doubt that all of a sudden he will elevate his defense to be as good as Kobe's defense.

Crunchy12489
08-03-2008, 12:43 AM
It is actually 3-4 feet. Not inches.



Lebron averages 2 more rebounds than Kobe, but Lebron plays SF/PF on defense so he is in more of a position to get rebounds. Kobe is the best rebounding guard though so it is a huge stretch to say the words "by far." You mention athleticism and power, but both of those things do not make you the better player. Ask Gerald Green and Tractor Traylor. Green is athletic, but hasn't gone anywhere. Traylor is powerful, but also has gone nowhere with that.

You also mention that Kobe has the edge defensively because of his experience, but you fail to realize something very important. At age 20, Kobe received All-First Team Defensive Honors. At age 22, Kobe was second or third in DPOY voting. Lebron is already turning 24, but is not much of a defender at all. He is barely an average defender at this age let alone a runner up for DPOY and a First-Team All Defensive Player. I doubt that all of a sudden he will elevate his defense to be as good as Kobe's defense.

Once again Armin, take your lips off of his ****.

You are a walking Kobe Bryant billboard son. Get a life.

LeBron at 23 > Kobe at 23.

ARMIN12NBA
08-03-2008, 03:48 AM
LeBron at 23 > Kobe at 23.

True, but...

Lebron at 23 < Kobe at anywhere above 25-present

Lebron defensively at 23 < Kobe defensively at age 21

JordansBulls
08-03-2008, 09:29 AM
wade will get to kobe's level later on in his career he still is going to improve his game because he hasn't reached his prime yet


I think he is in his prime now. Prime is usually 25-31.

amare#1
08-23-2008, 07:32 AM
I love Wade and his playing style... but Kobe has had and probably will have a much better career than Wade.

Jay22Redd
08-23-2008, 05:35 PM
If healthy...Wade