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JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 01:48 PM
Important Message: This was discussed by the Mods.

Because parties on both sides were involved in the scam and due to violations of improper voting and registering to rig votes in the 11th spot, the only thing we can do is disqualify the candidates who were being voted for improperly. Thus as a result, the player who gets the nod for the 11th spot due to being next in votes is:

Jerry West

http://www.nba.com/media/history/west_bio_lg.jpg


27.0 PPG / 5.8 RPG / 6.7 APG / .474 FG / 22.90 PER


Achievements:

14 time All-Star
1 NBA Championship
1 Time Finals MVP
2 Time Allstar game MVP
10 Time All-NBA First Teamer
4 Tim All Defensive First Teamer
Led in PER 2x
Led in PPG 1x
Led in APG 1x
Led TS% 2x




Jerry West = 13 votes
Moses Malone = 8 votes
John Stockton = 6 votes
Karl Malone = 5 votes
Charles Barkley = 5 votes
John Havlicek = 4 vote
Isiah Thomas = 3 votes
Bob Cousy = 2 votes
David Robinson = 2 votes
George Mikan = 2 votes
Bob Pettit = 1 votes
Julius Erving = Disqualified from #11
Kobe Bryant = Disqualified from #11
Other = 1 vote



The List:
1. Michael Jordan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242529)
2. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243543)
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244377)
4. Magic Johnson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245662)
5. Bill Russell (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246661)
6. Larry Bird (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247634)
7. Oscar Robertson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248716)
8. Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249523)
9. Shaquille O'neal (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250480)
10. Tim Duncan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251417)
11. Jerry West (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252175)



Because of all the rogue votes in the other thread and people just voting to stop others from winning, we will now only take votes of posters who explain there reasoning and back it up.

The previous thread here got out of control and people were just voting instead of voting for guys they really thought was the 11th best.


Here are some of the candidates for 12th greatest.

Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Elgin Baylor
Kobe Bryant
George Mikan
Bob Pettit
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Isiah Thomas
John Stockton
Bob Cousy
Charles Barkley


Voting will now begin for the 12th greatest player of all time.... (only votes of posters who explain there reasoning and back it up will be considered)


NOTE: Thread will close Sunday Night at 10 PM EST

THE MTL
08-01-2008, 01:56 PM
OK, I think Kobe Bryant shouldnt be so high. Just take his name off. If you wanna control you thread then do it. Kobe shouldnt be mentioned so early and Lakers fans are CLEARLY blind and will vote KObe as high as fourth. You remember when kobe almost went 4th of all-time. He finished second behind Magic Johnson. He would have went Top 7 if you didnt take his name off. Well do it again. These are legengs we are speaking about and Kobe isnt in their class. The problem is these Lakers Fans. Now if you wanna control the thread then control it. DONT LET LAKERS FANS CONTROL IT!!!

THE MTL
08-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Also I think you should re-do. The 11th position. Cause I actually voted for Dr. J and I was legit so now my vote doesnt count.

I would have voted Stockton or Piston Pete in that case.

GrkGawdofWalkz
08-01-2008, 02:05 PM
Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Elgin Baylor
Kobe Bryant
George Mikan
Bob Pettit
John Havlicek
Karl Malone
David Robinson
Isiah Thomas
John Stockton
Bob Cousy
Charles Barkley

Honestly look at the list, I think it's between Julius Erving, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, and Elgin Baylor. As a statement of what he personified to Me Havlicek was a player that did everything when he played. I believe he was a productive team leader and someone who was the glut of his time with the Celtics and two other teams.

fresh prince
08-01-2008, 02:11 PM
Jerry West deserved it More than DR. J thats for sure.

Im Voting For Kobe Bean Bryant..Heres Why:

Awards and achievements

* 3-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002
* NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008
* 2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007
* 10-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

* Has started in each of his appearances

* 2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007
* 10-time All-NBA Selection:

* First Team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008
* Second Team: 2000, 2001
* Third Team: 1999, 2005

* 8-time All-Defensive Selection:

* First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008
* Second Team: 2001, 2002

* NBA All-Rookie Second Team: 1997
* NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997
* NBA regular season leader in:

* points: 2003 (2,461), 2006 (2,832, 7th in NBA history), 2007 (2,430), 2008 (2,323)
* points per game: 2006 (35.4, 9th in NBA history), 2007 (31.6)
* field goals made: 2003 (868), 2006 (978), 2007 (813)
* free throws attempted: 2006 (819), 2007 (768)
* free throws made: 2006 (696), 2007 (667)

* 2nd most points in a Game: 81 (January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)

NBA records

Kobe Bryant holds four and shares five NBA records:

* Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[92]
* Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8 (March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards; shared with 6 players).[92]
* Most consecutive three-point field goals made, one game: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Latrell Sprewell and Ben Gordon).[93]
* Most free throws made, one quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 6 players).[94][95]
* Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 16 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks; shared with 6 players).[94][95]
* Youngest player to score 15,000 points: (27 Years, 136 days)
* Youngest player to score 20,000 points: (29 years, 122 days old), surpassing Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record. Bryant also became one of the only three players to reach the milestone under the age of 30. The other two are Chamberlain (29 years, 134 days old) and Michael Jordan (29 years, 326 days old).[96]
* Youngest Slam Dunk champion: (18 years, 175 days), after winning the contest at the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend.
* Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999–00)[97]
* Youngest player to start a game: (18 Years, 158 days)


Lakers franchise records

Kobe Bryant holds or shares 30 Los Angeles Lakers franchise records:

* Points

* Season: 2,832 (2005–06)
* Game: 81 (January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[98][4]
* Half: 55 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors).[98]
* Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)[98]
* Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 23[97]
* Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006–07)[97]
* Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 92[99]
* Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005–06)[100]
* Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16–March 23, 2007)[101]
* Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6–February 23, 2003)[102]

* Field goals made

* Half: 18 (2nd half, January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors).[103]
* Quarter: 11 (February 2, 1999 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[104]

* Free throws made

* Game: 23 (twice, most recently on January 31, 2006 vs. New York Knicks).[105]
* Game, playoffs: 21 (May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz).[106]
* Half: 16 (January 30, 2001 vs. Cleveland Cavaliers)[107]
* Quarter: 14 (3rd quarter, December 20, 2005 vs. Dallas Mavericks)[108]
* Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz).[109]
* Consecutive: 62 (January 11–January 22, 2006).[98]

* Three-point field goals made

* Career: 1,086 (1996–present)[2]
* Career, playoffs: 177 (1996–present)[110]
* Game: 12 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[93]
* Half: 8 (1st half, March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards).[111]
* Consecutive: 9 (January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics).[93]

* Steals

* Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz).[112]
* Quarter, playoffs: 3 (tied with 6 players; May 17, 1999 vs. San Antonio Spurs).[113
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In his 2006 commercial, Kobe says it all: "Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons."

THAT QUOTE NEVER RINGS MORE TRUE THAN ON THESE BOARDS!

mfb_lt1birdman
08-01-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm not re-typing my reasons again. Fresh Prince said enough.

Kobe Bryant

lalakobe24
08-01-2008, 02:14 PM
the kobe haters rigged it so julius earving would win

kobe fans all voted for kobe

but seriously even ESPN has kobe above jerry west in top shooting gaurds of all time

blue collar B
08-01-2008, 02:19 PM
Kobe piggy backed off Shaq, it's a disgrace to include him with those names.

black1605
08-01-2008, 02:19 PM
i vote for Kobe

he should have more than 1 MVP

3 championships

has changed his game to fit his team

81 points is an incredible achievement that will be hard to top, and is a sign that he could potentially break 100 if the situation called for him to take over

mightybosstone
08-01-2008, 02:29 PM
i vote for Kobe

he should have more than 1 MVP

3 championships

has changed his game to fit his team

81 points is an incredible achievement that will be hard to top, and is a sign that he could potentially break 100 if the situation called for him to take over

Actually, I think he should have been MVP when he had that 35.4 ppg season, but not last year when I thought Lebron, CP3, and KG were all possibly better candidates.

Overall, though, I don't think Kobe deserves to be on the list this early on. I think guys like West, Erving, Havlicek, and Baylor should easily be in front of him and I don't understand why Kobe fans are so blind. You can be a fan of a player and still have an unbiased opinion of the history of the league... apparently most Kobe fans cannot.

fresh prince
08-01-2008, 02:31 PM
Also I think you should re-do. The 11th position. Cause I actually voted for Dr. J and I was legit so now my vote doesnt count.

I would have voted Stockton or Piston Pete in that case.

You also think Tyronn Lue was the primary defender of AI in the 2001 finals while averaging 8.1 minutes per game!

Clearly your judgment is a bit off

conway429
08-01-2008, 02:31 PM
i vote for Kobe

he should have more than 1 MVP

3 championships

has changed his game to fit his team

81 points is an incredible achievement that will be hard to top, and is a sign that he could potentially break 100 if the situation called for him to take over

explain.
everyone always says this, but I don't see how his game is very different than it's always been.

JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 02:37 PM
my vote goes to Moses Malone as he is a 3x MVP, 1 x finals mvp and took his team to the finals several times and he defeated a Magic and Kareem Lakers team in the 1st round with a team that was below .500. He also led in PER twice and rebounding 6x and was the leader of one of the greatest teams ever.
Moses is one of the very few guys who have both finals and league mvp's and he is one of 6 players to get both the same year. (MJ, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem being the others).

pebloemer
08-01-2008, 02:46 PM
I'll take Dr. J.

The Kobe vs Dr. J comparison is a close one but what Kobe has potential to do and what he has done are not the same.

What he has done does not put him over Dr. J yet for me. I am sure Kobe will continue to climb the all time greats chart for the rest of his career but if Kobe retired today, it would have to be Dr. J.

Westbrook36
08-01-2008, 02:48 PM
the kobe haters rigged it so julius earving would win

kobe fans all voted for kobe

but seriously even ESPN has kobe above jerry west in top shooting gaurds of all time

Jerry West is better

Westbrook36
08-01-2008, 02:50 PM
Dr.J "Doc"

Better Player then Kobe and was a HUGE Part of Todays Game, Started the Flashy Dunks and Without him Basketball wouldnt be the Same, He has Kobe Numbers and Awards and Was a Huge Part of who Kobe is today

THE MTL
08-01-2008, 03:04 PM
I am once again voting for Dr. J. I put up his statistics last thread. But this man changed the game of basketball. He pioneered the flashy style of play. Dr. J was the base and foundation of who Kobe is. I remember this one quote from some guy it said how Dr. J started it all and Michael Jordan took it to another level. The guy invented some many things and its really ashame how we put KObe Bryant in this guy's league.

THE MTL
08-01-2008, 03:09 PM
You also think Tyronn Lue was the primary defender of AI in the 2001 finals while averaging 8.1 minutes per game!

Clearly your judgment is a bit off

I never said that. But anyway, you think Kobe was primary defender on Miller in 2000 Finals when the dude was hurt! So threw off your judgement too.

I dont care about your information. Cause Jerry West probi would hold the record for most 3pt shots if there was a three point line. His shots were clearly from that range. Lol, some people say if there was a 3pt line then some of those guys would be avergaing close to 40points per game.

fresh prince
08-01-2008, 03:51 PM
I never said that. But anyway, you think Kobe was primary defender on Miller in 2000 Finals when the dude was hurt! So threw off your judgement too.

I dont care about your information. Cause Jerry West probi would hold the record for most 3pt shots if there was a three point line. His shots were clearly from that range. Lol, some people say if there was a 3pt line then some of those guys would be avergaing close to 40points per game.

Haha you did say that!

"You said I remember the announcers saying what a good job Lue did on him"

Anyway Kobe Guarded Reggie until he got hurt..Kobe guarded, Reggie Miller and in Game 1 Reggie shot just 1-for-16.

I watched THE GAMES you did not:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00EFD9113FF93AA35755C0A9669C8B 63

"Miller estimated that 11 of his 16 shots were basically uncontested. The Lakers used the youthful quickness of Kobe Bryant and defense of the veteran Ron Harper to keep Miller guessing, allowing him to drive and often funneling him toward the middle, where 7-foot-1-inch, 330-pound O'Neal menacingly waited."

About "Jerry" lets not use ifs please:

" If mayonnaise was mustard and relish was a batman costume..would superman be allergic to cryptonite?"

The fact is Kobe holds the records posted. end of story

DODGERS&LAKERS
08-01-2008, 03:58 PM
[QUOTE=JordansBulls;6108059]Important Message: This was discussed by the Mods.

Because parties on both sides were involved in the scam and due to violations of improper voting and registering to rig votes in the 11th spot, the only thing we can do is disqualify the candidates who were being voted for improperly. Thus as a result, the player who gets the nod for the 11th spot due to being next in votes is:

This is the dumbest idea ever. All a person would have to do is create multiple accounts and vote for Kobe now and disqualify him on purpose. Someone who has been banned has nothing to lose by creating multiple accounts to disqualify Kobe everytime. dwade3ai3 will do it cause he has no life.. What if this was going on when we voted for the number 1 player? Would you have disqualified Jordan and Wilt and put the number 3 guy as now the all time greatest basketball player? You should have disqualified the rogue votes for each player and taken into account the valid votes.

P.S. Please don't delete this cause someone might see my valid point.

BlondeBomber41
08-01-2008, 03:58 PM
Julius Erving

DODGERS&LAKERS
08-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Anyways. My vote is for Kobe.

JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 04:13 PM
This is the dumbest idea ever. All a person would have to do is create multiple accounts and vote for Kobe now and disqualify him on purpose. Someone who has been banned has nothing to lose by creating multiple accounts to disqualify Kobe everytime. dwade3ai3 will do it cause he has no life.. What if this was going on when we voted for the number 1 player? Would you have disqualified Jordan and Wilt and put the number 3 guy as now the all time greatest basketball player? You should have disqualified the rogue votes for each player and taken into account the valid votes.

P.S. Please don't delete this cause someone might see my valid point.

A poll was started on the Lakers forum saying go vote for Kobe and then multiple accounts were created for him as well. As were a horrendous # of votes for Doctor J.
The problem with the votes in this case was that it was done pretty much where the two guys were equal in votes and then one guy sprang forward and then the other guy came back and sprang forward.
Also a major problem was that literally 90% of the votes in that poll came from posters who didn't even say a word in the thread which is ridiculous in itself.


On a side note:

This top 100 all time what someone else's idea and after like the top 3-4 he hasn't come back. So I took the liberty to continue it. However, if people continue to want to complain about it, we will just end it here where the top 10 were mentioned and that is it.

PHX-SOXFAN
08-01-2008, 04:27 PM
I vote for Dr. , better player, better leader, better character, better teammate

JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 04:42 PM
Because I don't see things going well with the voting, I'm going to stop it here. If you really want this to go on then you can PM me about it.