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khsox2000
07-31-2008, 08:04 PM
Ok, now that the Bay/ Manny trade is complete, where do we go from here? We got rid of Hanson and Moss, so who do you guys think we need to call up to replace them. I'd really like to see Daniel Bard get the opportunity. In 38 gms and 66 innings in the minors this year between greenville and portland, he's got an era of 1.78 with 90 strikeouts and only 4 hrs. In 15 total innings pitched against lefties, he's got a 0.60 era and has held them to a .176 avg with only 1 earned run. He's got a consistent fastball that's 97-98 mph with decent control. He's a RHP, but he could be that lefty specialist if needed. What do you guys think??

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 08:06 PM
Like you said, I'd really love to see Bard up here. Unfortunately, I don't see that as a real possibility.

We'll probably just grab someone from AAA and insert them into the BP hoping that he does better than what Craig Hansen gave us.

I like the direction of the team. Hansen was a real burden in that BP, if whoever we call up can do a solid job, then the BP can become a strength.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:09 PM
I think the Sox will bring up Chris Smith or David Pauley. David Aardsma should be back from the DL soon, so he can come back and replace Smith/Pauley. I think the Red Sox will give Bard an opportunity come September.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 08:10 PM
I think the Sox will bring up Chris Smith or David Pauley. David Aardsma should be back from the DL soon, so he can come back and replace Smith/Pauley. I think the Red Sox will give Bard an opportunity come September.
I was just about to edit my post and throw Pauley's name out there. Beat me to it.

Hunter Jones is another interesting name, though I don't see the Sox calling him up.

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 08:15 PM
Ok, now that the Bay/ Manny trade is complete, where do we go from here? We got rid of Hanson and Moss, so who do you guys think we need to call up to replace them. I'd really like to see Daniel Bard get the opportunity. In 38 gms and 66 innings in the minors this year between greenville and portland, he's got an era of 1.78 with 90 strikeouts and only 4 hrs. In 15 total innings pitched against lefties, he's got a 0.60 era and has held them to a .176 avg with only 1 earned run. He's got a consistent fastball that's 97-98 mph with decent control. He's a RHP, but he could be that lefty specialist if needed. What do you guys think??

im not sure bard is ready. I dont want to see what happend to Hansen come back and do the same to him. He has already proven he cant be a starter and i dont want to see his stock fall any shorter.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:15 PM
I was just about to edit my post and throw Pauley's name out there. Beat me to it.

Hunter Jones is another interesting name, though I don't see the Sox calling him up.

Jones has been good since his promotion to AAA

3.08 ERA, 1.24 WHIP

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 08:16 PM
im not sure bard is ready. I dont want to see what happend to Hansen come back and do the same to him. He has already proven he cant be a starter and i dont want to see his stock fall any shorter.
Hansen is a head case. On top of that, we threw him right into a Playoff race the same year he was drafted. This is an entirely different scenario. Bard is proving in the minors that he can absolutely dominate.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:17 PM
Also, maybe Devern Hansack? He is having a solid year in AAA:

4.05 ERA, 1.20 WHIP

I think Smith, Pauley, and Hansack are the 3 most likely replacements for Hansen.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 08:19 PM
So, we all agree one of these three would be suitable in the BP?

Next thing for the Red Sox: Cut Timlin. Time to go, seriously. Let one of the three guys we mentioned take Hansen's spot, and then let Aardsma take Timlin's spot.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:21 PM
So, we all agree one of these three would be suitable in the BP?

Next thing for the Red Sox: Cut Timlin. Time to go, seriously. Let one of the three guys we mentioned take Hansen's spot, and then let Aardsma take Timlin's spot.

Yeah. Timlin has been great for the Sox bullpen for years, but his time being an effective reliever has passed. May as well release him. Smith/Pauley/Hansack can make more of an impact than he could.

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 08:21 PM
i thought about Pauley but he's been working as a Starter all year. I have questions in his ability to come up and change his routine so quick though he's done it before so. Anybody see the possibility of Charlie Zink getting an opportunity?

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 08:22 PM
Yeah. Timlin has been great for the Sox bullpen for years, but his time being an effective reliever has passed. May as well release him. Smith/Pauley/Hansack can make more of an impact than he could.
Not only that, but Timlin has thrown a grand total of 12 innings since June 1. He's simply taking up a roster spot. It's as if the Red Sox feel like they owe him the respect to leave him on the roster, but they're not using him. That spot could be better used.

As I said, Timlin should go when Aardsma is back.

tonyd3b54
07-31-2008, 08:22 PM
i want to see bard up...one thing we really lack is that joba/morrow type guy in the bullpen bard can be that...

homie564
07-31-2008, 08:24 PM
agreed... hows another interesting name here... move buccholz to the pen and call up knuckleballer charlie zink... i dont find him anything special when ive senn him pitch but he has good numbers in AAA also theres jon switzer who is a possibility

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 08:27 PM
I want to see zink up. But I doubt we go 2 knuckleballers in the rotation.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 08:28 PM
i hope chris carter gets called up. he has potential to be a carlos quientien type of palyer

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:29 PM
agreed... hows another interesting name here... move buccholz to the pen and call up knuckleballer charlie zink... i dont find him anything special when ive senn him pitch but he has good numbers in AAA also theres jon switzer who is a possibility

Buchholz is not going to improve sitting in the pen, and pitching one inning every 2-3 days. He needs to be sent back down to Pawtucket, and improve down there. I wouldn't mind seeing Zink up here, but I think we give Clay one more start. If he gets smashed, send him down for a couple starts, and have Masterson take his spot.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 08:30 PM
I don't think Carter has much, if any future in the MLB.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:31 PM
Not only that, but Timlin has thrown a grand total of 12 innings since June 1. He's simply taking up a roster spot. It's as if the Red Sox feel like they owe him the respect to leave him on the roster, but they're not using him. That spot could be better used.

As I said, Timlin should go when Aardsma is back.

12 innings?!?!?!? That is pathetic. The only thing he is helping the team by is making the music in the bullpen. Yeah, Timlin needs to go. On another note, I think that he could be a good bullpen coach for the Sox when he retires. Just a thought......:shrug:

bagwell368
07-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Zink is not the answer. Bucholz should go down. Timlin should be released.

Masterson should stay where he is. Colon may be back. Aardsma too.

I want a catcher.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 08:34 PM
So, we all agree one of these three would be suitable in the BP?

Next thing for the Red Sox: Cut Timlin. Time to go, seriously. Let one of the three guys we mentioned take Hansen's spot, and then let Aardsma take Timlin's spot.

wow have you not seen timlin since he came off the dl. he's worked 8 inn. and given up only 1 run. he's lowered his era down i and a half run(which isn't that hard to do) but still he is doing a good job.

Sweet_Caroline
07-31-2008, 08:36 PM
We do have the possibility of Bartolo Colon coming back soon (although im not holding my breath) to be our #5 and move Clay to the pen or vise versa. Although i would like to see what Bard can do up here.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 08:36 PM
12 innings?!?!?!? That is pathetic. The only thing he is helping the team by is making the music in the bullpen. Yeah, Timlin needs to go. On another note, I think that he could be a good bullpen coach for the Sox when he retires. Just a thought......:shrug:

he was on the dl for a month

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 08:38 PM
Well they are talking about Colon in a week or so which will be good.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
Colon should be a nice boost. If he pitches like he was we have a great rotation.

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
Either way i am sure Theo and Tito have a plan for the pitching problem. Masterson i am sure will get his chance very soon.

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 08:42 PM
i think if zink was brought up, that would mean we'd put wake in the pen or i suppose, maybe put him in the pen. I really can't see a place where the sox put 2 knucklers in the same rotation. Some interesting guys could be Eric Hull and Edgar Martinez but if Martinez ever was going to come up, i only see him in september

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 08:42 PM
Plus you know that a couple od RP are gonna pass through waivers.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:53 PM
Plus you know that a couple od RP are gonna pass through waivers.

Yes, a couple relief pitchers will pass thru waivers. And those pitchers will all be crappy, since most teams could use a solid reliever, they will snag up all the semi-good relievers.

Crucis
07-31-2008, 08:55 PM
I think the Sox will bring up Chris Smith or David Pauley. David Aardsma should be back from the DL soon, so he can come back and replace Smith/Pauley. I think the Red Sox will give Bard an opportunity come September.

Actually, I thought I heard that Pauley was going to be pitching in the Olympics.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 09:22 PM
I'm hoping a good relief pitcher will sneak through waivers, although I doubt it. Anybody have any expectations on who we can get through a waiver trade?

Lord Byron 34
07-31-2008, 09:47 PM
I'm hoping a good relief pitcher will sneak through waivers, although I doubt it. Anybody have any expectations on who we can get through a waiver trade?

best way for that to happen would be to drop behind NY in the standings, no half decent reliever is getting past the Yankees if the Sox bullpen isn't pitching well.

SHONIE
08-01-2008, 12:00 AM
Colon should be back. I hope.

Towelie
08-01-2008, 12:02 AM
Colon to the pen!

lil'papi
08-01-2008, 08:29 AM
Rumor out of Boston is Bowden is going to the pen.

ZHawk1123
08-01-2008, 08:58 AM
Bowden time baby...

i am bob
08-01-2008, 09:17 AM
Lets see what Bowden can do!

RedSoxtober
08-01-2008, 09:41 AM
Ok, now that the Bay/ Manny trade is complete, where do we go from here? We got rid of Hanson and Moss, so who do you guys think we need to call up to replace them. I'd really like to see Daniel Bard get the opportunity. In 38 gms and 66 innings in the minors this year between greenville and portland, he's got an era of 1.78 with 90 strikeouts and only 4 hrs. In 15 total innings pitched against lefties, he's got a 0.60 era and has held them to a .176 avg with only 1 earned run. He's got a consistent fastball that's 97-98 mph with decent control. He's a RHP, but he could be that lefty specialist if needed. What do you guys think??

I like Bard enough to keep him in AA/AAA for the rest of the season. His overall numbers look pretty dominant but look at his most recent numbers. Earlier this week (Tues?) his whip over his last 10 games was 1.667 and he had had only two outings in which he had 1 base runner or less. I think he needs to finish the season building innings and be productive for next year.

For the BP at the moment I think Aardsma's return makes the most sense. After that I'd say Smith, Hunter Jones, and Devern Hansack. (Yes, Hansack. He's on a run similar to the one he had with POR when he came up and "no-hit" the O's).

The Bowden talk makes a lot of sense; the Sox have a preference to break young starters into MLB through the BP. It limits their innings and gives them a taste of the big league atmosphere.


Not only that, but Timlin has thrown a grand total of 12 innings since June 1. He's simply taking up a roster spot. It's as if the Red Sox feel like they owe him the respect to leave him on the roster, but they're not using him. That spot could be better used.

As I said, Timlin should go when Aardsma is back.

Tragedy you need to get some serious perspective on Timlin. "Only" twelve innings? He was on the DL for a couple of weeks and then we missed time due to the ASG. We also haven't needed too much BP help losing games.

Just for comparison, over the same time frame...
MDC - 23IP
Lopez - 22 IP
Papelbon - 19IP
Oki - 17IP

Factor the time on the DL and he's right where we'd expect him to be as a MR. More importantly, he's given up only 1ER (1.17ERA) since returning from the DL with a 0.78whip (5H, 1BB, 4K in 7.2IP). He's pitched pretty effectively especially when you consider his opponents (3 vs NYY, 1 vs LAA, 1H, no ER to either).

lil'papi
08-01-2008, 09:43 AM
In mop ups though.....but he has a penchant for rising up just when the last nail is about to go in...maybe he saw the hammer?

Tragedy
08-01-2008, 09:46 AM
Tragedy you need to get some serious perspective on Timlin. "Only" twelve innings? He was on the DL for a couple of weeks and then we missed time due to the ASG. We also haven't needed too much BP help losing games.
I'm ashamed of myslf.

Over the last two months, I've really found it hard to watch many games, so I pretty much forgot in entirety that Timlin was even on the DL.

I'll hang my head in shame.

Anyways, are there actual reports that Michael Bowden may get the call up?

RedSoxtober
08-01-2008, 10:06 AM
In mop ups though.....but he has a penchant for rising up just when the last nail is about to go in...maybe he saw the hammer?

Both statements are true. Even if Timlin is only pitching in meaningless games, though, that's part of the BP role. If he's saving other arms for more important innings I'm okay with that.

I could see Aardsma linger on the DL a little longer while they try out a few other options.

Vainglory07
08-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Colon should be back soon, hopefully pushing Buchholz down to AAA for a bit, and NOT in the BP. Putting Buchholz in the BP would be a HUGE mistake. Having Bowden make his first appearance in the majors as a relief pitcher wouldn't be such a bad idea. However, I think bringing Bard up anytime before September would be premature, too. The one thing I'm not entirely convinced about is having Masterson in the BP, especially with how he was as a SP for us. I know Masterson was originally projected to be in the BP anyway, but, I don't know, it just seems like a waste. Of course, it would help it there was room for a SP right now.

homie564
08-02-2008, 02:26 PM
edgar martinez has absolutely dirty stuff and both times i went watch the pawsox pitched 3 perfect innings and his fastball hit 98mph once or twice so i wouldnt mind seeing him as a september call up

CyYoungPapelbon
08-02-2008, 02:37 PM
For those hoping/thinking Bard can be a Joba or Brandon Morrow for us (or even a good major league reliever at this point), I wouldn't count on it at all.

Bard does not have a secondary offering close to as developed Joba's slider or Morrow's splitter. His command is probably average at best at this point as well: he's walking a little over 4.5 per 9 innings at Portland and that number only figures to rise if he was called up (like Masterson, Buchholz and most guys BB/9's when they get to the majors).

He has some work to do and I hope the Red Sox don't rush him like Hansen was rushed.

Sportfan
08-02-2008, 04:18 PM
Rumor out of Boston is Bowden is going to the pen.

do you have a source?

khsox2000
08-02-2008, 05:53 PM
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080801&content_id=3236271&vkey=pr_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

the sox brought up chris smith to try and solidify the bp. I think he could really have an positive effect on the pitching staff.

Mr.drew
08-02-2008, 06:01 PM
yea Smith is solid i think he can help out

PapelbonLester
08-02-2008, 07:18 PM
smith is deffently a better option than hansen imo. so we kinda did get better in the bp

homie564
08-02-2008, 11:29 PM
verry true ^^^

Tragedy
08-03-2008, 12:26 AM
smith is deffently a better option than hansen imo. so we kinda did get better in the bp
Good point. Sadly, it seems like the Red Sox would have continued leaving Hansen in the majors had we not traded him.

lil'papi
08-03-2008, 07:16 AM
Good point. Sadly, it seems like the Red Sox would have continued leaving Hansen in the majors had we not traded him.


Let me fix this for you.

Sadly , it seems they left Hansen in the BP so they could shop him. ;) or not so sad? :p

BTownTeamsRKing
08-03-2008, 08:16 AM
smith is deffently a better option than hansen imo. so we kinda did get better in the bp

i think u should change your sig to "THE PRESENT"

Lester has developed so well. he hasnt lost in 13 straight starts!

this team is so much better than it was a week ago.