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thefutureheisma
07-31-2008, 04:21 PM
just heard it on nesn dont know who it is for and dont know where manny is going. we should know soon as I get that information i will let you guys know

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
:pray: Matt Kemp

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Carfardo just confirmed it

lincecum=future
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Please go to the Dodgers for Kemp and anything else you could get your hands on :pray:

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
as long as its not for kemp. i think i would go in person to punch out mccourt and colleti if that happened

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
MLB.com reports that Jason Bay has gone to Dodgers!?!?!

Thats what Tom Caren just said on NESN

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:23 PM
Bay to Dodgers reports mlb.com

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 04:24 PM
just heard it could be a 3 way with pirates and the dodgers

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:24 PM
Bay to the Dodgers? wtf?

TrueBlue#21
07-31-2008, 04:24 PM
:pray: Matt Kemp

**** NO....... I hope:pray:

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:24 PM
He's on the phone!! :D

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:25 PM
wtf espn is still discussing why these players werent traded.

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 04:25 PM
edes says his sources say bay to boston

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:25 PM
On a side not:

The white sox got Griffey Jr.?

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:26 PM
please oh please not kemp. i might seriously cry!

lincecum=future
07-31-2008, 04:26 PM
Wow this is ****ing confusing.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:27 PM
On a side not:

The white sox got Griffey Jr.?

Yeahh, happened this morning.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:27 PM
si manny to dodgers

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:28 PM
SI says that. but no players listed

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:28 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:28 PM
Perfect! we get Bay :pity:

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:28 PM
nah bay to the sox must be ethier to the pirates

Davey24
07-31-2008, 04:29 PM
Well I doubt both Manny and Bay are going to LA so I'm a bit confused. Is this a 2 team deal or a 3-way trade? Anyone have any details?

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:29 PM
If we give up any prospects i will be pissed.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:29 PM
Guh, it happened and I am still, so damn confused.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:30 PM
bay is going to the sox from what they said

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:30 PM
wtf

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/bay_in_dodger_blue.html

cocossox
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
i bet there are other pieces involved im so happy hes gone!

thefutureheisma
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
manny ramirez to the dodgers jason bay to the sox no other details have been announced

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
its 3 team but all thats known is manny to dodgers bay to red sox and sox acording to edes and caffardo mustve "sweeped the pot to trade him this late" which means we get a good return

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
wtf

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/bay_in_dodger_blue.html

How thehell would this make sense?

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:31 PM
i bet there are other pieces involved

:clap: you must be a genius

Petertherock
07-31-2008, 04:32 PM
Bay to Boston and Manny to the Dodgers, other details are unknown at this time.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:32 PM
Bay to Boston and Manny to the Dodgers, other details are unknown at this time.

my heart is going nuts manny is coming but is kemp leaving. ahh! im going nuts

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:32 PM
DAMN! I hope we got a reliever. :mad:

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:33 PM
Kemp would be a nice long term solution...

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:34 PM
Grabow. :pray:

6deep
07-31-2008, 04:35 PM
Manny to LA
Bay to Boston

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

By Jon Heyman, SI.com

The Red Sox traded embattled slugger Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.

Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned. The Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the three-way trade.

The Red Sox went back-and-forth with the Marlins and Dodgers as the 4 p.m. ET deadline approached. Ramirez said earlier today, as first reported by SI.com, that he would accept a trade to any team.

The announcement will be made in conjunction with a World Baseball Classic announcement at Dodger Stadium shortly.

MVPOrtiz201
07-31-2008, 04:35 PM
Kemp would be a nice long term solution...

Definetely, I would LOVE to have him.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:35 PM
:laugh: manny doesn't know about the deal.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
i LOVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEE Jason Bay so im going to drink until i pass out... manny i loved u and i respect u as a baseball player..... 60% of marrages end in divorce thanks for contributing to the 2 w/s rings...... Bay is on the list of about 5 players that id take for manny so GOOD JOB THEO

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
itd be nice if we landed one of LAs pitchers in the deal too :D

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
Apparently Manny does not know. He still can veto the trade

asomen
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
This deal might not go down...manny had to waive his No trade clause before the deadline i think....manny does not know about this trade right now.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
:jumpy:

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
please no kemp please no kemp.

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:36 PM
Manny to LA
Bay to Boston

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

By Jon Heyman, SI.com

The Red Sox traded embattled slugger Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.

Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned. The Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the three-way trade.

The Red Sox went back-and-forth with the Marlins and Dodgers as the 4 p.m. ET deadline approached. Ramirez said earlier today, as first reported by SI.com, that he would accept a trade to any team.

The announcement will be made in conjunction with a World Baseball Classic announcement at Dodger Stadium shortly.
If all we got for Manny was Bay, then we got screwed...

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
SI said manny had already said he was ok with a trade to LA and philly and florida

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
broxton anyone? beimel? Kershaw? :D

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
The Red Sox traded embattled slugger Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers late Thursday afternoon, SI.com has learned.

Jason Bay is headed to Boston as part of the deal, SI.com has learned. The Pirates will get four minor leaguers in the three-way trade.

The Red Sox went back-and-forth with the Marlins and Dodgers as the 4 p.m. ET deadline approached. Ramirez said earlier today, as first reported by SI.com, that he would accept a trade to any team.

The announcement will be made in conjunction with a World Baseball Classic announcement at Dodger Stadium shortly.

Source: SI.com

TrueBlue#21
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
my heart is going nuts manny is coming but is kemp leaving. ahh! im going nuts

dude chill out.... Pirates weren't looking for a top prospect in return. Just an MLB ready player. we could give up anyone but Kemp

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
Damn. I wanted to answer his phone on air.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:37 PM
Ethier to Pittsburgh

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 04:38 PM
If all we got for Manny was Bay, then we got screwed...

That is ridiculous. Bay is one of the only players out there that could come close to replacing manny.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 04:38 PM
Ethier to Pittsburgh

Score 1 for yaowowrocket11!

I am guessing prospects too.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:38 PM
broxton anyone? beimel? Kershaw? :D

If we got bay and Kershaw i would kill myself from being to excited......If that makes any sense.


He's writing names down.....

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
i LOVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEE Jason Bay so im going to drink until i pass out... manny i loved u and i respect u as a baseball player..... 60% of marrages end in divorce thanks for contributing to the 2 w/s rings...... Bay is on the list of about 5 players that id take for manny so GOOD JOB THEO


If all we got for Manny was Bay, then we got screwed...

ARE U dsgwighghis SERIOUS. manny is a rental player for any team. if we kept him he would walk. idc about the 2 picks ill take bay over them any day.
So next season when u see bay say... damn if we didnt make that trade crisp or moss would probably be playing that position

MVPOrtiz201
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
please no kemp please no kemp.

Why? He's a terrific player.

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
Hansen and moss are out

cocossox
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
:clap: you must be a geniuslol thanks

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
Are you ****ing serious? We get *** raped. BUll ****ing ****.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
Nvm Moss And Hansen The Prospects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Sox, Damian Moss, and Craig Hansen of Sox to Pittsburgh. Bryon Morris and Andy Laroche of Dodgers to Pirates. It's official.

smashmouth
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398506?MSNHPHMA

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
AGH RIGHT NOW WE TRADE MANNY MOSS AND RAMIREZ FOR BAY!!!! :mad:

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
They are reporting Bay to Boston, manny to LA and either Eithier or Kemp + to PIT

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:40 PM
Manny, Hansen, and Moss for Bay? That is bull ****. If anyone likes this trade, get yourself checked out.

Davey24
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
Ok, so whats your guys take on the trade?

Petertherock
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
We lost Manny, Hanson, and Moss just for Bay??? We got raped.

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
sox could still get more its not official yet

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
They just said Hansen + Moss too and all we get is Bay, wtf?

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 04:41 PM
if rosenthal is right i might have an orgasm. no kemp ethier for manny. no dejeuss. laroche. yes. brothers reunited i dont care no kemp!

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
manny's options dropped

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
They just said Hansen + Moss too and all we get is Bay, wtf?
Brandon Moss?

This trade kind of looks silly now.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
Ok, so whats your guys take on the trade?

I'm just about ready to kill myself. Seriously.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Sox, Damian Moss, and Craig Hansen of Sox to Pittsburgh. Bryon Morris and Andy Laroche of Dodgers to Pirates. It's official.

ohhhhh damien moss..... honeslty hansen has been a BUST to say the least so idc. we still got bay for a rential player and a bust.... idc. i am still VERY happy with this trade.i would of been pissed if it was brandon moss. but if were giving up hansen we must be gettng a bp arm

Davey24
07-31-2008, 04:42 PM
They just said Hansen + Moss too and all we get is Bay, wtf?

Theres got to be something else for the Sox. You would have been officialy raped if all you got was Bay out of this. I'm sure within 20 min or so, all the details will be out and official.

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:43 PM
This is not official,Manny did not waive his no trade clause by the deadline.

I hope Boston fans are ready to watch David Ortiz be walked constantly.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:43 PM
It WAS BARNDON MOSS

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
Don't let the door hit you in your ungrateful arse on your way out Manny.....

Tired of that act, don't know how any can defend that clown anymore. Bay is young and talented. Craig Hansen needed a change of venue anyway. Isn't Damian Moss an ATL. Brave?

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
broxton anyone? beimel? Kershaw? :D

Lay off the crack pipe. :D

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
wow at the support in getting rid of your best position player in Manny.

he's been an arrogant guy but really he produces and comes up when you need him to.

cocossox
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
wow i am shocked giving hansen & moss too & not getting a BP arm wow :confused: but shows u how fed up the fo is .

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
yeah who the hell is damian moss lol?

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
Theres got to be something else for the Sox. You would have been officialy raped if all you got was Bay out of this. I'm sure within 20 min or so, all the details will be out and official.

no not really buddy. we got rid of hansen who has been a bust that i cant stand to watch anymore, manny a rential player and just COULDNT be on the sox anymore no matter what for bay. how did we get raped????? i feel like we just STOLE bay away. yea we lost manny but its better than losing him to free agency

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 04:44 PM
It WAS BARNDON MOSS

sorry the report I read said Damian.

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
Don't let the door hit you in your ungrateful arse on your way out Manny.....

Tired of that act, don't know how any can defend that clown anymore. Bay is young and talented. Craig Hansen needed a change of venue anyway. Isn't Damian Moss an ATL. Brave?
Jason Bay is almost 31 dude.

When did that become young unless he was a pitcher on the free agent market.

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
Lay off the crack pipe. :D

dude do u realize how much we gave?

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
If all we get is Bay then it is a rape

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
That is ridiculous. Bay is one of the only players out there that could come close to replacing manny.

:confused: So? If all we got was Bay we downgraded at a position that we shouldn't have had to touch; we didn't fill the most pressing need of getting a RP; and we didn't get any prospects to stock the farm system. We should not have had to trade Manny, but if we did then we should have only done it if we could fill those needs. Bay is a good player, whoopdy-frikkin-do, we still have our holes, hence we got screwed...

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:45 PM
We get raped in this trade. Theres no way around it.

I just heard cash. If we pay Manny salary i will kill someone.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:46 PM
Jason Bay is almost 31 dude.

When did that become young unless he was a pitcher on the free agent market.

He is 29

DirtyThirty
07-31-2008, 04:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383

Im gunna miss you Manny, at least we got Bay.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:46 PM
He better be hearing someone else coming to boston.

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 04:47 PM
What else do you think you are going to get for a guy who is a head case and a 2 month rental???

Did anyone hear the interview with Curt Schilling this morning on EEI? He had a lot of telling things to say about Manny. It didn't sound he had many friends in that club house at this point. Even Tito stopped defending him, and Tito is a mamanger who will defend his players to the death.

Manny talked his way out of town, the other teams had a lot more leverage than the sox in making a deal. I'm not surprised they had to give up Hansen and maybe other player. Brandon Moss is a nice player, but if people are going to jump off the bridge because of Moss, lol well....ok. weird, but ok.

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 04:48 PM
IMO we gave up way to much for just Bay...

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:48 PM
honestly this deal is WAYYYYYYY better than doing nothing. plz guys i no it seems like a lot but lets see what hansen does

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:48 PM
I really can not believe how bad this trade was.

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 04:49 PM
actually Bay is 29, I guess thats almost 31, I never said he was a rookie, lol.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 04:49 PM
This is not official,Manny did not waive his no trade clause by the deadline.

I hope Boston fans are ready to watch David Ortiz be walked constantly.

Love how Rays fans come out and talk ****. Where were you guys last year and beyond? Didn't hear much then.

Also let them walk Ortiz, they will face Bay.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:50 PM
IMO we gave up way to much for just Bay...

You kinda gotta look at it as if we're not losing manny. Bcuz in 2 months we'd lose him for 2 picks. ill take loosing him now with hansen and moss for bay. Bay is signed for next year too for only like 6-7 mill. He's VERY underpaid and could help us drop mad $$$ on our bullpen

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 04:50 PM
I bet there are at least 20 of the 24 other guys on the sox who are glad this trade was made, and thats what really matters. Not what some dude who loves Dwight Howard thinks on the internet.

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:50 PM
honestly this deal is WAYYYYYYY better than doing nothing. plz guys i no it seems like a lot but lets see what hansen does

How? Please see below quote...


:confused: So? If all we got was Bay we downgraded at a position that we shouldn't have had to touch; we didn't fill the most pressing need of getting a RP; and we didn't get any prospects to stock the farm system. We should not have had to trade Manny, but if we did then we should have only done it if we could fill those needs. Bay is a good player, whoopdy-frikkin-do, we still have our holes, hence we got screwed...



If all we get is Bay then it is a rape
Thank you, I agree...:clap:

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:50 PM
honestly this deal is WAYYYYYYY better than doing nothing. plz guys i no it seems like a lot but lets see what hansen does

Dude. We are paying Manny to play in LA. Manny+Cash should have brought more than Bay. We also gave Hansen, who yes, still has potential, and Brandon Moss who will probably turn into David Murphy.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:50 PM
dude do u realize how much we gave?

I realize we should have gotten at least a reliever. But if we couldn't get Kemp, then I doubt we could get Kershaw, maybe Broxton if we had given up something else.

Edit: I think we should have gotten Grabow from the Pirates though. :mad:

WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 04:51 PM
What an absolute raping of the Red Sox. Horrible deal. What is Theo doing? He couldnt say no Moss and deal him for Mahay? What a ****. Im taking the Theo for Prez bumper sticker off my car. I hope Manny helps the Dodgers win the World Series. F U Theo

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:51 PM
He is 29
He's basically 30 and no way you put it is he young.

He's young compared to Manny but Bay's peak as a player is about equal to Manny's decline which says enough about Manny.

6deep
07-31-2008, 04:51 PM
The Red Sox approached Ramirez in advance of their negotiations, and got the OK from Ramirez. He signed off on the paperwork, contingent upon the two $20-million team options for 2009 and '10 being dropped. The move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

mexican dodger
07-31-2008, 04:52 PM
The Pirates will be announcing a trade shortly, as they are a part of a three-team trade that involves the Pirates, Dodgers and Red Sox.

Manny Ramirez has been dealt to the Dodgers.

The Pirates will receive Brandon Moss (OF) and Craig Hansen (RHP) from Boston and Bryan Morris (RHP and Andy LaRoche, the brother of Pirates' Adam LaRoche, from Los Angeles.

Jason Bay has been dealt to the Red Sox.

An official announcement is expected shortly.

-- Jenifer Langosch

Petertherock
07-31-2008, 04:52 PM
Jason Bay is almost 31 dude.

When did that become young unless he was a pitcher on the free agent market.

Bay is 29.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:52 PM
Wow. This really is ridiculous. I'd just keep Manny. Time to start the hate mail theo.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:53 PM
Love how Rays fans come out and talk ****. Where were you guys last year and beyond? Didn't hear much then.

Also let them walk Ortiz, they will face Bay.

hahaha. well it depends but drew better bat 3 with bay at 5. then lowell. so their all protected. my lineup tomarro if i was tito

Pedrioa
Youk
Drew
Ortiz
Bay
Lowell
Lowrie
Tek
Ellsbury

if you people dont like that lineup ur nucking futs lol

jdredsox
07-31-2008, 04:54 PM
Not a huge fan of this trade, gave up way too much for Bay. He has only hit well in the NL and I don't even feel he has hit well enough to replace Manny even if we were playing in that league. Now we are giving up two prospects as well. Sure Manny is only a 2 month rental but we only have Bay for 1 more year than that. His agent is Boras... you think he will let his client extend his deal with us rather than try out the FA market if he has any success in the AL? We got raped in this deal.

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:54 PM
Wow. This really is ridiculous. I'd just keep Manny. Time to start the hate mail theo.

If that is all we got then we are now worse off then before...

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:55 PM
Wow. This really is ridiculous. I'd just keep Manny. Time to start the hate mail theo.

dude why keep manny for 2 months when he's said idk if they trade me to IRAQ and then held up that brett farve ****. he is in LA for 60 days. would u rather keep him for 60 days. then have crisp play left next year if so leave this forum lol

cocossox
07-31-2008, 04:55 PM
honestly this deal is WAYYYYYYY better than doing nothing. plz guys i no it seems like a lot but lets see what hansen doesi agree we gave too much it wouldve been better if we got abp arm too but regardless im happy hes gone.

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
Man you guys got killed in this thing. 2 prospects and Manny as well as 7 million for a lesser Manny. Goodness. I hope it works out for you though.

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
Love how Rays fans come out and talk ****. Where were you guys last year and beyond? Didn't hear much then.

Also let them walk Ortiz, they will face Bay.

Dont be fooled by my name.:)

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
What an absolute raping of the Red Sox. Horrible deal. What is Theo doing? He couldnt say no Moss and deal him for Mahay? What a ****. Im taking the Theo for Prez bumper sticker off my car. I hope Manny helps the Dodgers win the World Series. F U Theo

Looks like Rotoworld agrees...
We thought LaRoche would be the one top prospect the Pirates wouldn't focus on, given the presence of Pedro Alvarez and Neil Walker as potential long-term third basemen. Instead, he's the one top talent they get. The inclusion of Moss and Hansen when they could have been used in other deals makes this an especially unimpressive deal for Boston. One could argue that Bay is as valuable as Ramirez once defense is taken into account, but there are certainly plenty of AL teams glad that the Red Sox made this trade.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
Bleh. Now we're stuck with ****** relievers for the rest of the season. Hmmm, time to call on the farm...

gcoll
07-31-2008, 04:56 PM
We gave up a lot to downgrade our offense.

The FO really wanted Manny gone.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 04:57 PM
There has to be another player involved. The Marlins deal was much better

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:57 PM
dude why keep manny for 2 months when he's said idk if they trade me to IRAQ and then held up that brett farve ****. he is in LA for 60 days. would u rather keep him for 60 days. then have crisp play left next year if so leave this forum lol

If you think this trade is anywhere near fait for us, you're crazy.

We basically paid someone to take him off our team. I think thats BS.

R to the G
07-31-2008, 04:57 PM
I like this deal, it works for us.

Moss was a 4th outfielder we really didn't need with Crisp here, Hanson has great stuff and a high ceiling but it was clear he had troubles in Boston.

As for Manny, we had to get rid of him. It was almost wasn't a option he hated it here and it was clear he wouldn't enjoy his remaining 2 months.

Good deal for all teams involved.

americaspasttim
07-31-2008, 04:57 PM
Man you guys got killed in this thing. 2 prospects and Manny as well as 7 million for a lesser Manny. Goodness. I hope it works out for you though.:( Thanks Wrigs...

gcoll
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
There has to be another player involved. The Marlins deal was much better

The Marlins deal involved Grabow. So that was better for us. We were probably still giving up Hansen and Moss. But FLA seemed to want more prospects out of us......

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
i agree we gave too much it wouldve been better if we got abp arm too but regardless im happy hes gone.

believe me 60 days of a headache and a whole winter tring to replace him isnt worth it. bay will be VERY productive for 4-5 years....hoping we extend his contract.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
I am hoping that we get a reliever or something. I would have preferred the Marlins deal.......

RedSoxRok34
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
it's ok to deal moss, but im pissed to see hansen go. bad move. he has absolutely filthy stuff if he can harness it. they should have insisted on dealing a lower level guy.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
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WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
Horrible Horrible FO decisions!!!! NO BP help???????????? ARE YOU F"ing SERIOUS????? Lets draw and quarter THEO for removing us from the 08 PLAYOFFS

Rays2010
07-31-2008, 04:58 PM
hahaha. well it depends but drew better bat 3 with bay at 5. then lowell. so their all protected. my lineup tomarro if i was tito

Pedrioa
Youk
Drew
Ortiz
Bay
Lowell
Lowrie
Tek
Ellsbury

if you people dont like that lineup ur nucking futs lol
I truly don't like that lineup.

Jason Bay is horrible in clutch situations and he isn't good at all with RISP.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
The only way this trade gets evened out is if we get Broxton.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
Ok, what I hate about this deal. How did Hansen, and Moss get thrown in?

What I love!

Hansen is gone, sorry but he wasn't doing anything for us right now. Moss was gonna be gone too, obviously we have Coco as our backup right now, and will be until the off season.

We got someone who will make the clubhouse 1000 time better, and is signed for 09, and will give similar production compared to Manny, and in the off season we have 20 million a year to spend. Tex, Dunn all are options for us this off season. This is a ok deal. I think we gave up a lot but tons is gone from us.

Also, Obviously Theo saw something he really didn't like in Hansen.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
The Marlins deal involved Grabow. So that was better for us. We were probably still giving up Hansen and Moss. But FLA seemed to want more prospects out of us......

Florida reportly wanted tejada or reddick...... NO THANK YOU they already stole hanley from us

WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
I like this deal, it works for us.

Moss was a 4th outfielder we really didn't need with Crisp here, Hanson has great stuff and a high ceiling but it was clear he had troubles in Boston.

As for Manny, we had to get rid of him. It was almost wasn't a option he hated it here and it was clear he wouldn't enjoy his remaining 2 months.

Good deal for all teams involved.


You sir are a moron Oh yeah dont forget we're on the hook for Mannys salary as well.

gcoll
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
I truly don't like that lineup.

Jason Bay is horrible in clutch situations and he isn't good at all with RISP.

He's really good in "close and late game situations"....the RISP isn't too pretty for Bay though. Hopefully that can improve when he's put in a better lineup.

ZHAKIDD532
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
They gave up Manny and 2 really good prospects to get rid of Manny and get Jason Bay...that's pretty incredible...

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:00 PM
The Dodgers give up NOTHING and get one of the best hitters of all time. They have to be giving us another piece.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 05:12 PM
I hate to say it... But Manny looks just flat out weird in a uniform other than the Sox.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:15 PM
was PSD dead for a little?

WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 05:16 PM
If we are paying Mannys salary, Why not just give us the rights to Andruw Jones? If he can come back, he could help us in the playoffs.

WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 05:17 PM
was PSD dead for a little?

I think so it just froze for me

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 05:18 PM
The servers died. 3915 people were on

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:19 PM
Wow...

Quickly fixed though.

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 05:21 PM
IM glad mannys off the team. Best hitter on the sox But he was a cancer and a vile influesnce on the teams young players. It will be emotioal to see him play for another team. Im glad hes gone and I will welcome Bay in a sox uniform. Think off it like this 2 months of manny for 8 months of bay

Joba Is Legend
07-31-2008, 05:22 PM
This is the greatest day for a Yankee fan!!!

I am so happy we will never have to pitch to Manny again... and now we can simply pitch around Papi.

gcoll
07-31-2008, 05:22 PM
I like jason Bay, but it's the inclusion of Moss and Hansen + paying cash that bothers me.


and now we can simply pitch around Papi.
It's not really that simple, but if that's what you think.....fine.

East Side Z
07-31-2008, 05:23 PM
Obviousely this was addition by subtraction for you guys................deal with it.

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 05:24 PM
wow people are insane....

one guy "Bay is horribl in clutch situations"

how many real clutch situations in an actual meaningful game has Jason Bay had in Pit? I'll give you a hint, its less than 1.

Seriously what did people think they would get for Manny? Manny is a 2 month rental for whoever picks him up and thats it. Look at what Atl. got? Kotchman and a prospect. We got Bay and had to give up two mediocre aging prospects and a guy we would have had for 2 more months.

Is Bay better than Manny? of course not, but thats not the point. thats not the real world. If this was video game baseball then sure its a bad trade. This is the real world. Manny had lost just about the entire club house. Even Tito was done defending Manny.

The other day a reporter asked him about Manny not running out a ground ball and Tito said "he does that a lot". Tito is a players manager who NEVER throws players under the bus no matter what. That says A LOT about the respect manny has lost in that club house. He was a cancer to that team the last few weeks.

This isn't fantasybaseball or MLB 07 the show, lol its the real f'n world. Where you are not going to get 100% value for a rental player with a bad attitude, with a history of being flakey, faking injuries and not playing hard. I know hes one of the best hitters ever, but you have to look at the whole package and be realistic. The Red Sox got rid of someone who was killing the club house and got a return of roughly 80 cents on the dollar, its better than 2 months of bull cocky and a couple draft picks. That was the other option.

cubsbears1225
07-31-2008, 05:24 PM
hahahaha! Im thrilled for the Red Sox that Manny is gone. Id much rather have Bay than that scumbag. As a partial red sox fan, Im thrilled hes gone and in LA.

ZHawk1123
07-31-2008, 05:25 PM
A little dissapointed that we didn't get ANY kind of relief help... Actually... We got worse relief wise...

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 05:26 PM
I think getting hansen out of here makes our bullpen better :)

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 05:26 PM
A little dissapointed that we didn't get ANY kind of relief help... Actually... We got worse relief wise...

I agree. Bullpen needs work badly.

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 05:27 PM
If we are paying Mannys salary, Why not just give us the rights to Andruw Jones? If he can come back, he could help us in the playoffs.

no thanks. Unless they threw in a couple thigh masters and ab roller and Andru signed a promise to use them for 17 hours a day.

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 05:27 PM
A little dissapointed that we didn't get ANY kind of relief help... Actually... We got worse relief wise...

Yeah we end up losing a bullpen arm at the deadline instead of gaining one.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 05:30 PM
I think getting hansen out of here makes our bullpen better :)
Guarantee anyone that is happy Hansen is gone will eat those words in 3 years.

Mark my words.

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 05:30 PM
The servers died. 3915 people were on

Wow thats crazy...

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 05:30 PM
Guarantee anyone that is happy Hansen is gone will eat those words in 3 years.

Mark my words.

I dont want 3 years off coming in pissing his pants in fear and blowing the game,

slapmyside
07-31-2008, 05:32 PM
Guarantee anyone that is happy Hansen is gone will eat those words in 3 years.

Mark my words.

He has great stuff.....so what so does Kyle Farnsworth and a host of other promising pitchers to come and go over the years. You could be right, but I doubt it. He might be good in 3 years, but I'd be willing to bet he won't become KRod or anything close.

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 05:33 PM
agreed. Kyle Farnsworth is a great example of who i think Hansen will be

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:33 PM
Guarantee anyone that is happy Hansen is gone will eat those words in 3 years.

Mark my words.

Like I said earlier; Hansen still has loads of potential. The team is still tweaking his arm angles. Once they get a concrete arm motion/mechanics he will be a great player.

kingredsox89
07-31-2008, 05:34 PM
we got raped in this deal

hensen is a bum. we should had traded moss for mahay

the sox just didnt want manny anymore i just hope bay does good cuz his takein manny spot and we all know how us the redsox fan get when we get bad players we eat them alive

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 05:36 PM
I am hoping for this lineup

Pedroia
Drew
Bay
Ortiz
Youkilis
Lowell
Lowrie
Varitek
Ellsbury

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 05:36 PM
We didnt get "raped", We got a good replacement to manny in Bay. The sox needed to get rid of Manny and there are NOT any available players who could have matched manny. He was a prick. im glad we got Bay.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:37 PM
I really have trouble believing all we get is Bay in this.

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 05:37 PM
:( Thanks Wrigs...
Good to see you apt.

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 05:40 PM
Where is the bp relief arghhhhh
that was the #1 need 4 this team.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 05:43 PM
Where is the bp relief arghhhhh
that was the #1 need 4 this team.
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you can thank manny. he just HAD to be traded he couldnt wait 60 days. if theo wasnt spending the last 2 days trying to deal him we'd probably have mahay or someone but w/e. i beleive in our team and in the offseason we better bring in a great bp arm

Tankjeep
07-31-2008, 05:45 PM
i'm glad we got bay, he's a beast at bat. go ahead and walk ortiz cuz bay is a legitimate hitter. in pitt he had no one else in the lineup like he will have in boston. so, yes i am happy we got 'em....


but the price we got him at....? we got raped. i was hoping for grabow.

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 05:46 PM
Well, coming from a Yankees fan I have to say I'm glad that we dont have to pitch to him anymore....unless of course it's in the WS. But if Manny OK'ed the deal because he will be a free-agent this winter....ummmm.....how would he look playing for his hometown next year? Almost brings back those Babe Ruth feelings.....lol!

lil'papi
07-31-2008, 05:48 PM
Guarantee anyone that is happy Hansen is gone will eat those words in 3 years.

Mark my words.

Where do we mark them, you have a fire hydrant? :D

I am not one of the ones believing he will come back and haunt us more to the belief he is out of the league in 3 yrs maybe less.

He pitches dumb and dumb is dumb in any league even a beer league. :p

The deal opens some room for other guys , but a expensive move short term next year we have a min of 43-45mil to play FAgency with.....we got way better. Maybe now we can go after a top flight pitcher and a big bat.

Bay from all reports loves the game that alone makes me smile. But I can now see Tex coming or a Holliday and another big name pitcher.

We can also still get a relief pitcher that clears waivers. :rolleyes:

homie564
07-31-2008, 05:48 PM
wow people are insane....

one guy "Bay is horribl in clutch situations"

how many real clutch situations in an actual meaningful game has Jason Bay had in Pit? I'll give you a hint, its less than 1.

Seriously what did people think they would get for Manny? Manny is a 2 month rental for whoever picks him up and thats it. Look at what Atl. got? Kotchman and a prospect. We got Bay and had to give up two mediocre aging prospects and a guy we would have had for 2 more months.

Is Bay better than Manny? of course not, but thats not the point. thats not the real world. If this was video game baseball then sure its a bad trade. This is the real world. Manny had lost just about the entire club house. Even Tito was done defending Manny.

The other day a reporter asked him about Manny not running out a ground ball and Tito said "he does that a lot". Tito is a players manager who NEVER throws players under the bus no matter what. That says A LOT about the respect manny has lost in that club house. He was a cancer to that team the last few weeks.

This isn't fantasybaseball or MLB 07 the show, lol its the real f'n world. Where you are not going to get 100% value for a rental player with a bad attitude, with a history of being flakey, faking injuries and not playing hard. I know hes one of the best hitters ever, but you have to look at the whole package and be realistic. The Red Sox got rid of someone who was killing the club house and got a return of roughly 80 cents on the dollar, its better than 2 months of bull cocky and a couple draft picks. That was the other option.


dude thats the most resonable thing ive heard all day we wanted manny out the only way to do that was overpay nd i hate that everyone underrates jason bay the guy is a GOOD PLAYER hes not bad not okay not decent not legit not above average not solid he is a GOOD PLAYER and will only continue to get BETTER whereas manny wont he is declining heavily!!!!!!!!! and even if we did pay his salary would still come out cheaper than paying manny, jason bay is also very good in the clubhouse hansen was garbage and anyone saying hes a good prospect is absolutely mental moss was never going to have a spot in our outfield... this deal will work for the sox this is a win now win later trade i like it...

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 05:49 PM
haha yu yankee fans.......so brainless. manny was walking after this year anyway. so yu ppl should be pissed that we got bay the BEST avalible option. Put manny in pinstripes so when he comes to fenway he will get sniped out by someone siting at the top of the green monster (me) lol

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 05:50 PM
I am hoping for this lineup

Pedroia
Drew
Bay
Ortiz
Youkilis
Lowell
Lowrie
Varitek
Ellsbury

I'd take no issue with this deal, but I feel as though the Sox keep Ortiz in the traditional 3 spot.

Too much of a shakeup isn't something Terry usually goes for.

homie564
07-31-2008, 05:51 PM
Where do we mark them, you have a fire hydrant? :D

I am not one of the ones believing he will come back and haunt us more to the belief he is out of the league in 3 yrs maybe less.

He pitches dumb and dumb is dumb in any league even a beer league. :p

The deal opens some room for other guys , but a expensive move short term next year we have a min of 43-45mil to play FAgency with.....we got way better. Maybe now we can go after a top flight pitcher and a big bat.

Bay from all reports loves the game that alone makes me smile. But I can now see Tex coming or a Holliday and another big name pitcher.

We can also still get a relief pitcher that clears waivers. :rolleyes:


EXACTLY... im pretty sure that if we sign CC people wont realize that this deal has a lot to do with that and as i said hansen is garbage

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 05:51 PM
btw.... who hit behind bay that made him so good????? if he hits .280 with 22 homers without ortiz/youk/drew behind him. may god help al pitchers lol

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 05:52 PM
haha yu yankee fans.......so brainless. manny was walking after this year anyway. so yu ppl should be pissed that we got bay the BEST avalible option. Put manny in pinstripes so when he comes to fenway he will get sniped out by someone siting at the top of the green monster (me) lol

You sure he wont hit you first....with a HR.....lol!

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:54 PM
EXACTLY... im pretty sure that if we sign CC people wont realize that this deal has a lot to do with that and as i said hansen is garbage

I don't wan't CC.
Hansen Isn't garbage.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 05:54 PM
You sure he wont hit you first....with a HR.....lol!

ill make sure i get him in the first inning thats if he has enuf balls to play LF and not DH...lol

CyYoungPapelbon
07-31-2008, 05:57 PM
The Red Sox were hardly "raped". Bay is a .900+ OPS guy who hits 30+ bombs a year (in a pitchers park, as well) and is signed for just $7.5M next year. Manny is a better hitter than Bay, but he's also 36 years old (Bay is 29) and was as good as gone in 3 months. I'm stunned Manny had as much trade value as he did and that the Red Sox did as well as they did.

Neither Hansen or Moss had much of a future with the Red Sox. Moss is a 4th outfielder for us if we dealt Coco and Hansen has shown no improvement since being drafted and he's out of options for next year and probably wouldn't have even been with the organization by mid-season of 2009.

They couldn't go foward with Manny for the rest of the year and then let him walk for nothing but picks when they were offered a player as good as Jason Bay.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 05:57 PM
I don't wan't CC.
Hansen Isn't garbage.

ummmmm are u serious. in CC's 5 games in Milwakuee he is 4-0 1.82 era 3 complete games.......get off the crack pipe bro

gcoll
07-31-2008, 05:57 PM
Pedroia
Drew
Bay
Ortiz
Youkilis
Lowell
Lowrie
Varitek
Ellsbury
I like it.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 05:59 PM
ummmmm are u serious. in CC's 5 games in Milwakuee he is 4-0 1.82 era 3 complete games.......get off the crack pipe bro

CC wil also command 6-7 years and with his fat *** theres no way he'll make it through that. It's only a matter of time before he breaks down.

GrkGawdofWalkz
07-31-2008, 05:59 PM
BTW there may be guys on the waiver deal to get a lefty reliever. That's another month. Just put it in mind, sure we got partially raped. Bay makes 7.5M next year and is under control. Hansen is a bust and we have replacement outfielders in our system to get Moss in the end of things. Garbow would have been nice, but there's really no difference, we kept our top 5 specs.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 06:00 PM
We sbhould have been adding prospects, not getting rid of them.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 06:00 PM
Can't believe we did not get Maholm

homie564
07-31-2008, 06:00 PM
I don't wan't CC.
Hansen Isn't garbage.

toxic waste? :shrug:



hes definitely not a good pitcher or even semi decent :rolleyes:

homie564
07-31-2008, 06:01 PM
Can't believe we did not get Maholm

i woudve settled for grabbow lol

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 06:02 PM
We sbhould have been adding prospects, not getting rid of them.

Dude we gave up 1 legit prospect... moss that will never be good enuf to start for us so its straight

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 06:04 PM
Dude we gave up 1 legit prospect... moss that will never be good enuf to start for us so its straight

Holy **** dude. He would be a great 4th OF for us. Hansen has a **** load of potential.

We should NOT be giving prospects for someone to take Manny. WE REWARDED A TEAM FOR TAKING HIM.

ToToMaN77
07-31-2008, 06:05 PM
Great deal all around ( i think ) ;)

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 06:08 PM
Is the Manny deal officially done??? On Rotoworld it still show Manny under Red Sox? :confused:

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 06:08 PM
I really wanted a reliever somehow included in this deal.............

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 06:09 PM
Dodgers came out like bandits. Laroche and a prospect for Manny Ramirez. Ridiculous

youkilisallstar
07-31-2008, 06:09 PM
I agree, Though it does suck a little losing Manny, he has done alot for the team over the years despite his bull crap. I'm glad we made a change I don't like what I've seen since All Star break. I have faith in Bay. Will he play tomorrow?

Joba Is Legend
07-31-2008, 06:10 PM
haha yu yankee fans.......so brainless. manny was walking after this year anyway.

uhhh, incorrect. Isn't this whole mess bc Manny was upset the Sawx were going to pick up his option? He was clearly not walking after this season - he was locked up for another 2 seasons bc of the Sox's options

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 06:11 PM
I agree, Though it does suck a little losing Manny, he has done alot for the team over the years despite his bull crap. I'm glad we made a change I don't like what I've seen since All Star break. I have faith in Bay. Will he play tomorrow?

I would assume so

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 06:13 PM
ill make sure i get him in the first inning thats if he has enuf balls to play LF and not DH...lol

Well, if he did come to NY, he would be our ortiz....95% DH. But he would probably start LF in Boston because of.....you know experience.....LOL

Giannis94
07-31-2008, 06:15 PM
Brewers fan here. You guys got a great deal. Can Bay hold on to this year stat wise. He wasnt good in 07 hes inconsistant sometimes. I think you guys got a poormans Manny. And why are you ripping on CC? Hes only going to end up in Boston or Ny Next Year and Benny will end up in the other.

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 06:17 PM
We won't get anything else will we?

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 06:17 PM
Brewers fan here. You guys got a great deal. Can Bay hold on to this year stat wise. He wasnt good in 07 hes inconsistant sometimes. I think you guys got a poormans Manny. And why are you ripping on CC? Hes only going to end up in Boston or Ny Next Year and Benny will end up in the other.

He's a good pitcher, but i think he's going to break down soon. I'd take a chance on sheets before him any day.

redsox12
07-31-2008, 06:20 PM
wow PSD was down along time, glad we got Bay.

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 06:28 PM
Bay is a good player but I would have pushed HARD for a RP. A lot of boards present like Boston was desperate and didn't really get market value.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 06:33 PM
Bay is a good player but I would have pushed HARD for a RP. A lot of boards present like Boston was desperate and didn't really get market value.
I think the bold part is the general unhappy feeling around Boston right now.

I don't think anyone is sad to see the prick (Manny) leave, but trading two young players and not getting a reliever in return certainly hurts the team the rest of 2008.

Of course, the waiver period in August still is here.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 06:37 PM
the problem with mid-season trading is that most people are looking for pitchers. im sure theo tried to get a reliever but there was just not the right deal. the pitchers on the market were mahay who they wanted moss... part of manny deal. ohman... the braves wanted to much and street which i thought we would pursue guessing they wanted to much for him too.

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 06:43 PM
I understand the waiver wire but Boston could have pushed for something. Manny + 7 mil + 2 pros= Bay? Thats just a lot of subtraction for little addition. Maybe management was very desperate to ship manny out especially after FLA screwed up the 1st 3 way deal.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 06:45 PM
we had three better options
1. make this trade 3 days ago, switch pitt with the braves, we get texeria and ohman, manny to dodgers.
2. trade for adam dunn this guy has one problem from being ryan howard. his swing. If the sox could fix dunn the way they fixed papi's swing he could be a .300 avg, 50+ hr, 120 rbi player
3. do the florida trade. at least we would get grabow and prospects.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 06:45 PM
I understand the waiver wire but Boston could have pushed for something. Manny + 7 mil + 2 pros= Bay? Thats just a lot of subtraction for little addition. Maybe management was very desperate to ship manny out especially after FLA screwed up the 1st 3 way deal.

prospects have potential so hansen isnt a prospect lol. moss was only a 5th outfielder on this team. he does have potential but probably would never start for us long term. manny wasnt coming back so why not ship him out 60 days earlier. all in all THEO DESERVES THIS FROM ALL :clap:

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 06:48 PM
we had three better options
1. make this trade 3 days ago, switch pitt with the braves, we get texeria and ohman, manny to dodgers.
2. trade for adam dunn this guy has one problem from being ryan howard. his swing. If the sox could fix dunn the way they fixed papi's swing he could be a .300 avg, 50+ hr, 120 rbi player
3. do the florida trade. at least we would get grabow and prospects.

and 4???? o yea dunn would NEVER hit 50 hr with 120 rbi. unless of course he played in coors or fenway all 162 games. We werent the problem in the florida trade. also in that trade we were trading 3 prospects not 2

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 06:56 PM
and 4???? o yea dunn would NEVER hit 50 hr with 120 rbi. unless of course he played in coors or fenway all 162 games. We werent the problem in the florida trade. also in that trade we were trading 3 prospects not 2

i've seen dunn on espn before. he has a horrinle swing, yet he can still get 40+ hr a year. he's on pace for 48 hr this year. if he were eith the red sox and we fixed his swing he would get at least 60+ hits. he's one pace for 111 rbi's. with more men on base for dunn he would at least have 120 rbis. and the florida trade had reached a tenative deal. if we had hurried up the trade it would have gone through.

Tankjeep
07-31-2008, 06:57 PM
the underlying theme, boston was desperate to get rid of manny and the other gms (fla, dodgers, pirates) stomped on a bloody thirsty situation and took advantage of it.

since we may pick up a reliever off waivers, then i'm a little more pleased with the outcome. also, our clubhouse can now get back to being more cohesive now that the tension has left the building. and as all boston fans should know, you have to have a laidback clubhouse to be successful as a red sox player. look at '04 and '07, two playoff runs that would've crumpled if it were not for our overall team composure.

i'm hoping this moves gets the team headed in the right direction and turns this season around enough to where we can recover to make a run. now's the time for the red sox to get hot.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 07:00 PM
I truly don't like that lineup.

Jason Bay is horrible in clutch situations and he isn't good at all with RISP.

with RISP in 696 he's a .280 hitter.

No Pie Here
07-31-2008, 07:01 PM
I too wish the Sox had got more or given up less...but from everything I've heard, Bay should be more than adequate.
On a related note...any ideas on who we're calling up to replace Hansen on the roster?

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 07:06 PM
Thanks for telling us your opinion on things :)

gcoll
07-31-2008, 07:08 PM
:clap:

You are the best.

I realize his post got deleted. But it should be left up. This is the greatest post ever.

The Red Sox got "rapped" and he's going "parting"....that's great.

BeantownBill
07-31-2008, 07:09 PM
Just a quick note to the Rays fan who said Bay is 31. He's 29 years old. He's also, from everything I've seen, heard, read, etc. a much more stable teammate in that clubhouse than what Manny would have been the rest of this season. Manny has been a distraction for the better part of 3 years. Yes, he's a great hitter but anyone who follows the Sox closely will agree with me that there is an underlying feeling around baseball that Manny has become a joke. Hell, not even underlying. So you give up Hansen (maybe he discovers himself in a small market, I hope for his sake he does) and Moss, who really didn't have a shot at an everyday place in our outfield. You also move Manny, who has become a clubhouse cancer of sorts and add a solid young outfielder with pop in Bay. If they were able to pick up another bullpen arm or recall someone from the minors for the stretch run (Bard, perhaps?) then I'm content. I'm happy as hell. I literally laughed when I saw the headline. Manny, it was great while it lasted. Best of luck to you wherever you wind up, good luck to the 'prospects' we sent packing, and watch how fast fans in Boston embrace Bay. Call it addition by subtraction, call it a good trade/bad trade .. in my humble opinion it's all good. Time to rally as a TEAM and get back into this race.

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 07:10 PM
prospects have potential so hansen isnt a prospect lol. moss was only a 5th outfielder on this team. he does have potential but probably would never start for us long term. manny wasnt coming back so why not ship him out 60 days earlier. all in all THEO DESERVES THIS FROM ALL :clap:

I just think they could've done better and thats coming from a Yankee fan with respect. Manny is Manny= GREAT Hitter, not so much defense....but a GREAT Hitter. You throw in a yo-yo (with lights) and a frisbee he would be the happiest guy in the world.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 07:11 PM
I love how the Yankee Fans think this is such a massive downgrade for us. Let us know when Dodgers don't have Manny next year while we have Jason Bay for a full season, and about 40 million to use in the off season.


Good bye Manny you're a douche and it may of cost us more then I wanted, but I like who we got in return, and I hate you!


PS: I'm watching Petitte and Irod take forever with signals! Good luck with that one.

Also how wicked would it of been to have Manny not play for the rest of the year like he did 2 years ago?

BeantownBill
07-31-2008, 07:14 PM
What would absolutely make my day would be if the Dodgers were a little more strict about players grooming habits, and made Manny shave that head. I would laugh my way through a case of Sam Adams while waiting for that video to pop up on YouTube

Towelie
07-31-2008, 07:21 PM
Well Manny won't be pulling this **** in LA we all know this, however good luck D bag trying to get a 4 year 100 million dollar contract. Not gonna happen EVER!

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 07:22 PM
Well Manny won't be pulling this **** in LA we all know this, however good luck D bag trying to get a 4 year 100 million dollar contract. Not gonna happen EVER!
The most annoying thing is Ramirez will be on his best behavior over the next two months with LA to try and show that it was Boston alone that made him so angry.

..Which we all know would be complete BS.

Stercrazy
07-31-2008, 07:24 PM
What would absolutely make my day would be if the Dodgers were a little more strict about players grooming habits, and made Manny shave that head. I would laugh my way through a case of Sam Adams while waiting for that video to pop up on YouTube

Would he do it for NYY?

Towelie
07-31-2008, 07:29 PM
And so do all the clubs really. I'm glad he's gone. it sucks we gave up a lot for him, but really Moss wasn't going to do anything Hansen might not ever get it together so you know what we get Bay next year and maybe beyond if he's solid for us. we got a ton of off season money, and will be nice to see what we can do with it.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 07:37 PM
He's basically 30 and no way you put it is he young.

He's young compared to Manny but Bay's peak as a player is about equal to Manny's decline which says enough about Manny.

While that may be true the important thing is that Manny is in decline. We don't have to replace HOF Manny, just the 36yr old Manny. We're not trading careers -- we're trading current performance. It'll be interesting to see where he finishes in stats with half his games played in Dodger Stadium.



Seriously what did people think they would get for Manny? Manny is a 2 month rental for whoever picks him up and thats it. Look at what Atl. got? Kotchman and a prospect. We got Bay and had to give up two mediocre aging prospects and a guy we would have had for 2 more months.


The problem with your rant is that the Red Sox didn't only deal Manny whereas ATL only dealt Tex. BOTH players are FA's at the end of the year (Manny by agreement, Tex by contract). Manny for Bay straight up? No problem, that's 80 cents on the dollar. Manny + Hansen + Moss + all Manny's contact? That's about a dime.


Dude we gave up 1 legit prospect... moss that will never be good enuf to start for us so its straight

Except that Moss was good enough to start for us. In fact, he was the Opening Day RF.

Regardless of their value to us, dealing those 2 prospects was a mistake. Roto rightly observed that they could have been worked into other deals. For example, Moss could have worked into a Mahay deal that at least would have gotten us a short term fix.

The opportunity cost here is a lot bigger than it apperas by just evaluating what Hansen and Moss could have done in a BOS uniform.


I love how the Yankee Fans think this is such a massive downgrade for us. Let us know when Dodgers don't have Manny next year while we have Jason Bay for a full season, and about 40 million to use in the off season.

They'll have $12.5M (difference from Manny to Bay) in '09 and then $20M in 2010 assuming that we picked up the options. Not sure what that's worth, though. There's not a lot coming up on the FA market. I suppose it gives us the flexibility to eat Lugo's deal and try to land Furcal or O-Cab at SS, make a run at one of several starters, or extend Beckett. The FA market is otherwise pretty thin.

Tankjeep
07-31-2008, 07:39 PM
ugghh, just mentioning lugo makes me want to puke.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 07:54 PM
I'm shocked that the Red Sox haven't held a press conference or made a public statement.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 08:00 PM
They're probably too embarrassed.

R to the G
07-31-2008, 08:17 PM
I'm shocked that the Red Sox haven't held a press conference or made a public statement.

I assume it's because they don't want to throw Bay more into the spotlight than he already is. Holding a press conference and telling everyone "this is the man who will replace Manny, he will do great things", would more or less be putting pressure on Bay.

papipapsmanny
07-31-2008, 08:29 PM
o well im excited to see bay produce

Towelie
07-31-2008, 09:04 PM
I can't wait cause I know bay will run out a play, and play as hard as he can.

Manny looks like such a douche in LA gear.

MVPOrtiz201
07-31-2008, 09:09 PM
Bye, bye Manny. Thanks for helping us to 2 WS rings, and some very funny memories.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 09:19 PM
From Rotoworld.com

Once ballparks are factored in, Bay at 29 years old and Ramirez at 36 years old come out looking awfully close—they essentially both look good for an OPS between .900-.950—and the gap in defensive value swings heavily in Bay's favor. In other words, the Red Sox acquired a similar hitter and superior defender who's significantly younger and under the team's control through next season. Moss and Hansen were the cost to swap, but Boston won't miss either in the big picture.


I couldn't agree more with this.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 09:42 PM
From Rotoworld.com

Once ballparks are factored in, Bay at 29 years old and Ramirez at 36 years old come out looking awfully close—they essentially both look good for an OPS between .900-.950—and the gap in defensive value swings heavily in Bay's favor. In other words, the Red Sox acquired a similar hitter and superior defender who's significantly younger and under the team's control through next season. Moss and Hansen were the cost to swap, but Boston won't miss either in the big picture.


I couldn't agree more with this.
Rotoworld coming through with some solid comments. Thank god someone can see it from Red Sox fans perspective.

All Yankee fans are proclaiming our season is done, despite getting virtually the same bat (Just 7 years younger).

Man.

WilymoPena
07-31-2008, 09:42 PM
well hopefully we look back in hindsight at this deal with a positive view, but right now I am absolutely shocked we didn't acquire a RP. I truly think we just gave up on this season in order to put a mammoth team on the field next year.

gcoll
07-31-2008, 10:33 PM
All Yankee fans are proclaiming our season is done, despite getting virtually the same bat (Just 7 years younger).
It's a popular talking point in NY, that without Manny.....Ortiz is a bum.

They vastly overrate Manny's effect on Ortiz, and thus....they think we lost Manny, and now have Minnesota's version of David Ortiz.

ccspence8
07-31-2008, 10:48 PM
We got ****ed in this deal but then again what can you expect when the Pirates & Dodgers know that Manny is a headache. We didn't get anything in return because Manny is a rental and the Dodgers can't pick up his option and offer him arbitration.

I still think we got raped. But Bay does have similar numbers to Manny and he should only get better. Still wish we got Matt Kemp.

ccspence8
07-31-2008, 10:57 PM
so what's our lineup

Pedroia
Youkilis
Ortiz
Bay
Drew
Lowell
Lowrie
Varitek
Ellsbury

or

Pedroia
Youkilis
Drew
Ortiz
Bay
Lowell
Lowrie
Varitek
Ellsbury

SocksPhan
07-31-2008, 10:58 PM
I am glad the manny saga is over with, but I do agree they gave up a bit too much....Hansen, Moss AND they pay Mannys salary? The Dodgers made out bigtime.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 11:08 PM
I don't see how we got raped...Hansen has blown, Moss was gonna be nothing for us. And We needed to get rid of Manny. We got a 1 1/2 years of Bay. What else do you want for a two month rental and **** prospects?

SocksPhan
07-31-2008, 11:11 PM
I don't see how we got raped...Hansen has blown, Moss was gonna be nothing for us. And We needed to get rid of Manny. We got a 1 1/2 years of Bay. What else do you want for a two month rental and **** prospects?

but they could have used moss in a deal for Ron Mahay if they did not have to include him in the Bay deal is all.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 11:16 PM
Who cares! Like Mahay was going to Anchor our pen and fix it. We had the 1st ERA BP last year, and lost nothing from it. We can fix the pen internally.

fanatical18
07-31-2008, 11:20 PM
Found this scouting report on Bay...it was made before the season started, but gives some nice video of his swing mechanics and goes over his struggles last year:

Jason Bay (http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/what-happened-to-jason-bay.html)

And for the hell of it, here's the scouting report on Manny:

Manny Ramirez (http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/manny-ramirez-traded-to-LA.html)

gosawks
07-31-2008, 11:21 PM
Anyone find it ironic that we worried so much about keeping Manny out of the hands of Joe Torre for years, and now he ends up playing for him?

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 11:27 PM
Anyone find it ironic that we worried so much about keeping Manny out of the hands of Joe Torre for years, and now he ends up playing for him?
I thought about that earlier.

So, as we know, LA is basically Boston.

They have Lowe, Nomar, and Ramirez. They also had Bill Mueller not long ago.

We have Cora, Lugo, and Drew.

Shall we trade our three for theres, or what?

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 11:30 PM
Oh, I almost pissed myself.

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=120903

:laugh2:

Towelie
07-31-2008, 11:31 PM
No way. Lugo is a bust as of right now, same with Cora. Drew's been good. everyone else on LA can suck it. Lowe couldn't do AL anymore IMO.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 11:36 PM
I still am just shocked. I can't stop thinking about it.

Manny Ramirez LAST YEAR said he WANTED his two option years picked up, and then he wanted to play an additional 4 more seasons in Boston to complete his career.

One year later, all the sudden, paranoia sets in. It literally seemed like bipolar disorder. He went from a happy/silly guy to a guy that was obsessed and worried for his future. What was his issue? We pick up the options, he gets $20 million. We decline the option, he gets FA.

He is one strange man. I will never fully understand this.

97'bulls
07-31-2008, 11:37 PM
this sucks, bay is gay bring back manny

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 11:42 PM
this sucks, bay is gay bring back manny
:pity: