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Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 12:49 PM
Manny deal 'close to dead'

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Peter Gammons
A source close to the three-way negotiations involving Manny Ramirez says the deal is close to dead. Florida has reportedly asked Boston for a cash outlay beyond the $7M to cover Ramirez's contract, in addition to two prospects. That essentially would add up to the Red Sox trading Ramirez, $9M and two prospects for Jason Bay.


espn.com



"It sounds like things are taking off and Pittsburgh is getting what they are looking for," said an executive who has been in contact with the clubs involved.

Another source familiar with the discussions, however, continued to express caution, indicating that the talks remain in a tenuous state.

foxsports.com

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 12:50 PM
This is weird because Olney said it was gaining momentum, and the Rays were told Bay is headed elsewhere:


Posted by Jayson Stark
It now looks as though the Rays won't make a deal of any kind between now and the deadline. According to sources who have spoken with them, they have backed off Adam Dunn because he would make their lineup too left-handed, and they have been informed by Pittsburgh that Jason Bay is likely to go somewhere else.

pierce34celtic
07-31-2008, 12:50 PM
The cost to value here is just too lopsided. At the most, we should pay his salary, but giving up two prospects is ridiculous.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 12:51 PM
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT. no way theo lets this fall off

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 12:51 PM
This just in: Jays could be interested in Bay

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 12:53 PM
wow.....are we just going to release manny cause i just dont see how this team can win with him. he WANTS OUT.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 12:53 PM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Still don't trust it.

marlinsfan24
07-31-2008, 12:54 PM
this is so confusing. i believe olney cuz he said its almost done lol

Superiority
07-31-2008, 12:54 PM
11:49am: Rosenthal has a mixed opinion, with one source advising caution and another saying the deal is "taking off."

:confused:

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 12:55 PM
11:49am: Rosenthal has a mixed opinion, with one source advising caution and another saying the deal is "taking off." Manny is following the ordeal on ESPN.

MLBTR

What!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

homie564
07-31-2008, 12:55 PM
theo cannot let this deal die

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 12:56 PM
They're going to talk about Manny next on NESN, just a heads up.

MVPOrtiz201
07-31-2008, 12:57 PM
theo cannot let this deal die

Well if what Gammons just reported was true and the we have to give up Manny, 9 million, plus 2 prospects I hope he does let this deal die.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 12:58 PM
Same with espn......manny drama.... NEXT!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 12:58 PM
MLB Trade Deadline Show on ESPN News at 1pm

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 12:59 PM
MLB Trade Deadline Show on ESPN News at 1pm

I hope that is on ESPN or ESPN2 because I don't get ESPNEWS. If its not, I need updates fellow Sox fans!

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 12:59 PM
Well if what Gammons just reported was true and the we have to give up Manny, 9 million, plus 2 prospects I hope he does let this deal die.

ok think of manny not being in the deal cause he's deffently going to walk next year so hes like a rential. so would u trade 2 prospects for bay!!!! YESSSSSSS manny isnt playing for us so we need to pull the trigger trade 2 mid level...no potential bums

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:00 PM
he agreed to become a marlin!

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:00 PM
I hope that is on ESPN or ESPN2 because I don't get ESPNEWS. If its not, I need updates fellow Sox fans!

don't worry, we'll keep ya updated! :clap:

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:00 PM
I hope that is on ESPN or ESPN2 because I don't get ESPNEWS. If its not, I need updates fellow Sox fans!

ill keep u updated but im sure once/if it happens it will be breaking news everywhere

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
I hope that is on ESPN or ESPN2 because I don't get ESPNEWS. If its not, I need updates fellow Sox fans!

its just gone nationwide .. hes agreed to a trade if he goes to the marlins

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
Why the **** is senior's golf and tennis on ESPN and ESPN2 when the biggest day of the baseball season besides opening day and the playoffs is occurring right now! Updates!

Corey
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
Blahh, this is so annoying.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
According to espn....."moments ago manny agreed to become a marlin" but they havent figured out the prospects yet aka finalized the deal

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:03 PM
yeah the deal is reportedlly done just working on prospects now

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:03 PM
I hope that is on ESPN or ESPN2 because I don't get ESPNEWS. If its not, I need updates fellow Sox fans!


Same here and they even took off the bottom line

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:04 PM
Why the **** is senior's golf and tennis on ESPN and ESPN2 when the biggest day of the baseball season besides opening day and the playoffs is occurring right now! Updates!
b/c everyone wants to watch those events :rofl:


According to espn....."moments ago manny agreed to become a marlin" but they havent figured out the prospects yet aka finalized the deal

more or less nothing new there...seems like thats been talked about all day

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:04 PM
According to espn....."moments ago manny agreed to become a marlin" but they havent figured out the prospects yet aka finalized the deal

The news about Manny agreeing to be a Marlin broke about an hour and a half ago.

ERLynx
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Blahh, this is so annoying.

agreed. i wish i could hear whats going on in those meetings.

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
A few noteworthy tidbits from ESPN to pass along, including some comments from Manny this morning and a report that "progress is being made" toward a deal.

* "Nobody has called me from Boston, and neither has my agent [Scott Boras]," Ramírez told ESPNdeportes.com. "The only thing I know of a possible trade is what I've seen in ESPN."

* ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney, citing an executive involved in the conversations regarding Ramirez, reported that progress is being made. The feeling is momentum is building toward completion of a deal.

* Some commentary from Olney, on ESPN: "If he's not traded by 4 p.m. today, there's a 1 percent chance that he finishes the year with the Red Sox. This has gotten so ugly," said Olney, referencing Ramirez's recent trade demands and lackadiasical play.

boston.com

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
thats what i thought too but espn said "moments" so i just had to post it

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
This is crazy. Does anyone remember anything else like this

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Why the **** is senior's golf and tennis on ESPN and ESPN2 when the biggest day of the baseball season besides opening day and the playoffs is occurring right now! Updates!

I know right! :mad:

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:08 PM
golf & tennis ? anybody know whats going on? god this is annoying now!!!!!!!!!1

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 01:09 PM
Buster Onley is also reporting it dead

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 01:10 PM
Gammons said the Sox would have to give up 2 prospects 9 million and Manny just for Bay.

ERLynx
07-31-2008, 01:11 PM
great.

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:11 PM
Gammons is saying that more or less the Marlins are blackballing us demanding $9 million, 2 prospects to FL and 1 to Pit

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:11 PM
WTF on espn news gammons is saying it aint dead until 4 but the marlins want prospects with manny and 9 mill. they keep uping the ante casue they no how desprate we are to move him

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:11 PM
listening to ESPN Radio, Gammons will be on next

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:12 PM
Buster Onley is also reporting it dead:( we are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:(:(:(:(:mad::mad::mad:

ERLynx
07-31-2008, 01:13 PM
hey the Pats training camp is looking good. See you guys in those threads!

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:13 PM
this deal wont get done great ty :mad:

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 01:13 PM
This is horrible but I believe that since we are balking at the deal now will drive the price down in the next few hours

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:14 PM
Marlins Pushing For Laird

MLBTR

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:14 PM
NO im on espn news right now. it aint DEAD they just havent heard anything in a while and it is still beleived to be 50/50

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 01:15 PM
**** the Marlins. They already are giving up the least out of any team. Try to make a deal with the Dodgers. If a deal can't be made activate his option at the end of season and trade him then.

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:15 PM
Marlins owner Loria denies deal is in place to acquire Manny

cbssportsline.com

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
if they dont get manny outta here season over imo sorry. :(

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Do you know what I find annoying it the MLB Trading dealing special on ESPNEWS but they are talking about Farve

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Gammons didn't really say anything about the deal, I wonder if this show is live.

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
so why are they reporting on Brett Favre on the MLB special

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
redsox 12....that article was written yesterday when the deal wasnt in place yet

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:18 PM
wtf common ma no1 wants to frekin waatch tennis or golf!!!!!!!!!! this is terrible :(

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:18 PM
Manny for Favre like Manny's sign said!!!

ERLynx
07-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Manny for Favre like Manny's sign said!!!

haha thats pretty funny i like that

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:20 PM
Gammons didn't really say anything about the deal, I wonder if this show is live.i hear on espn news the deal is dead :cry:

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates have agreed to the prospects they'd receive in a Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida deal.
That was supposed to be the biggest remaining hurdle. If this is correct, then talks are anything but dead.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

rotoworld.com

Hold on!

IndiansFan337
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
There's so many contradicting sources, it's getting ridiculous.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
Noooooooooooo!!

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
haha thats pretty funny i like that

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/BDD_MR_favre_7.30.08_nesn.jpg

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
As the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates continue to try to piece together their Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay blockbuster, the buzz around the sport is that the Pirates are still talking to other teams about Bay.

The latest team to make a run is Toronto. It seems doubtful that the Blue Jays would give up the three-prospect package Pittsburgh is looking for, almost certainly starting with outfield phenom Travis Snider. But Toronto and Pittsburgh were still talking as of Thursday afternoon.

espn.com

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:22 PM
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates have agreed to the prospects they'd receive in a Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida deal.
That was supposed to be the biggest remaining hurdle. If this is correct, then talks are anything but dead.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

rotoworld.com

Hold on!

YAY!!!!!!!!!

TotallySox9097
07-31-2008, 01:22 PM
Manny better go somewhere or i have to kill him ARG!! he is such a flaming pile of ***** spunk

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 01:23 PM
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates have agreed to the prospects they'd receive in a Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida deal.
That was supposed to be the biggest remaining hurdle. If this is correct, then talks are anything but dead.

- Rotoworld

What the heck are we going to do I'm confused

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Hold on!

:speechless:

Thats huge, now it might happen

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:23 PM
There's so many contradicting sources, it's getting ridiculous.

i know lol

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:24 PM
YAY!!!!!!!!!
If thats the case the Marlins just need to get their heads outta their u know what and pull the trigger on this thing

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
The biggest hurdle right now looks like the Marlins being greedy.There is no way they are getting 2 prospects from us. They should be giving prospects to us.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:25 PM
This deal is officially the Manny deal, not because Manny is involved in it, but because this deal is chaotic, mood swings, greed, hate, love, loyalty, and the teams are taking their time, just like Manny does as he jogs to first!!!

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 01:26 PM
Right now im sure if I can believe any of these stories. They all contradict one another :confused:

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:27 PM
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Dejan Kovacevic (1:13 p.m.): The Pirates like the prospects, I am told, and no longer are the holdup. Focus is off the Pirates.

boston.com

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:27 PM
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates have agreed to the prospects they'd receive in a Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida deal.
That was supposed to be the biggest remaining hurdle. If this is correct, then talks are anything but dead.

- Rotoworld

What the heck are we going to do I'm confused

ok so here's whats up... one source says its dead another says its not till 4 oclock another says nothing changed and another says the biggest remaining hurdle just got jumped by the pirates agreeing to prospects!!!! 4 sources 4 stories!!!!!! :surrender::hide: SO DAMN CONFUSING!!

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:29 PM
Not Manny but


THURSDAY, 12:24pm: Jayson Stark has the Yanks and Red Sox battling for Eyre.

MLBTR

Towelie
07-31-2008, 01:29 PM
Manny has OK'd a deal to the Marlins if one is to be made.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:29 PM
ill believe the one that they agreed just because thats what i want to happen :p

Card&Al
07-31-2008, 01:30 PM
Manny has OK'd a deal to the Marlins if one is to be made.

Old news.


Have faith people...Theo is the master of the 3 way trade.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 01:30 PM
Not Manny but



MLBTR

Already a thread on that

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:31 PM
If thats the case the Marlins just need to get their heads outta their u know what and pull the trigger on this thing

their heads aree pretty far up their :moon:but if they actually realize they are literally trying to rape the sox and pirates this deal is done but if not... :cry:

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:32 PM
An executive from one team in touch with the Royals told Rosenthal he does not believe that Mahay will be traded.

Rotoworld

So no Moss for Mahay deal?

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:34 PM
Rotoworld

So no Moss for Mahay deal?

The Sox are interested in Grabow, Ohman, and Eyre so I am not worried. I love Moss, one of my favorite players.

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:35 PM
I can't remember a time when so many big players has been traded.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 01:35 PM
the best thing to do is let him paly this year, keep his legacy from being completly torn, pick up his option THEN trade him in the winter. we would get more value and a better trade than manny, prospects, and cash for bay and grabow.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:36 PM
very true yaowow ^^ lol

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:37 PM
waiting for something crazy to happen like a 4th team getting involved or the Sox flippin the bird to the Marlins/Pirates and just trading manny to LAD

IndiansFan337
07-31-2008, 01:37 PM
I'm not going to believe any of this madness unless a press conference happens. There's too many contradicting sources. It's chaos.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:37 PM
waiting for something crazy to happen like a 4th team getting involved or the Sox flippin the bird to the Marlins/Pirates and just trading manny to LAD

:laugh:

bagwell368
07-31-2008, 01:40 PM
the best thing to do is let him paly this year, keep his legacy from being completly torn, pick up his option THEN trade him in the winter. we would get more value and a better trade than manny, prospects, and cash for bay and grabow.

do you not get this? its all about the option years being torn up.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline

tc2deuce
07-31-2008, 01:41 PM
in the words of the great vince lombardi....."what the he## is going on out there??!!!!"

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:41 PM
Ugh Another Source!

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 01:41 PM
This is crazy. Does anyone remember anything else like this

Yes, the Manny for A-Rod swap was worse IMO.


this deal wont get done great ty :mad:

If it goes south, it dies because of the Phish. Their demands (if accurately reported) are insane. Were paying you to take Manny? Please.


**** the Marlins. They already are giving up the least out of any team. Try to make a deal with the Dodgers. If a deal can't be made activate his option at the end of season and trade him then.

+1. At this point I'd do it just to stick it to Manny (and screwing Boras would be a side benefit).


There's so many contradicting sources, it's getting ridiculous.

Exactly why I hate the deadline and winter meetings... and love them at the same time.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:43 PM
in the words of the great vince lombardi....."what the he## is going on out there??!!!!"



in the words of the great homie564 "TRADE THE GUY NOBODY WANTS HIM HERE!!!"

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:43 PM
Jul 31 FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports the three-team trade involving Boston Red Sox OF Manny Ramirez appears to be moving closer to completion. The Pittsburgh Pirates' return for OF Jason Bay, sources say, is the last holdup in the deal. "It sounds like things are taking off and Pittsburgh is getting what they are looking for," said an executive who has been in contact with the clubs involved.

i dont know guys i am so confused

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 01:43 PM
OK so does anyone know the latest. Gammons just said on ESPN news that its 80% dead.

bigmike611
07-31-2008, 01:43 PM
i don't see how this deal could be dead is Peter Gammons trying to throw the Marlins and Pirates off?

evd81
07-31-2008, 01:43 PM
Manny Trade Dead:

http://www.hardballreport.com/content/view/1544/86/

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:44 PM
looks like we may be flippin the bird to the two of em...since they're too busy bickering like 5 y/o's

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 01:45 PM
jason stark reported on the TD show on espnews that bay is not coming to the sox

bosox1899
07-31-2008, 01:45 PM
peter gammons always considers trades dead then they happen, i think gammons is going a little senial imo :D

Danman1116
07-31-2008, 01:45 PM
:bang: i'm getting such a headache

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 01:46 PM
The Pirates talking to Rays now...Thanks alot Marlins!!!!!!

bigmike611
07-31-2008, 01:46 PM
The Sox would be crazy to not just take Hermida and prospects forget Bay.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:46 PM
its all cuz of the marlins theyre a bunch of idiots and want wayy too much for a minimal price **** you get the hell outta here

bigmike611
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
i want the sox to atleast have a player that will try and give his best.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
This deal is officially the Manny deal, not because Manny is involved in it, but because this deal is chaotic, mood swings, greed, hate, love, loyalty, and the teams are taking their time, just like Manny does as he jogs to first!!!

You mean sort of like this (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080729&sportCat=mlb)?


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline

Not entirely surprised. I recall some wise old timer talking about how rarely these things happen because they get too complicated. Oh, wait, that was me. Never mind.


OK so does anyone know the latest. Gammons just said on ESPN news that its 80% dead.

"I'm not dead yet." <Whack>

Maybe some Monty Python will loosen these guys up.

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
so nothing is getting done wtf this can't happen if hes still here at 4 then season over!!!!:cry::cry::cry:

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
peter gammons always considers trades dead then they happen, i think gammons is going a little senial imo :D

I never trusted him after he said, "There is a 1% chance of Nomar being traded today" back in 2004.

:rolleyes:

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 01:47 PM
All i know now is that if we keep Manny the ClubHouse is gonna be a zoo and so much for the playoffs.

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 01:49 PM
Maybe we should trade him for Dunn Straight up.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
The Sox would be crazy to not just take Hermida and prospects forget Bay.

How exactly would that work when the Marlins are the ones who've apparently killed the deal?

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
id do that so fast its not even funny

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 01:52 PM
well Theo has to do something he's not a ******, He has to know Manny can't come back to the Sox tonight.

homie564
07-31-2008, 01:55 PM
hows this tell thee marlins and pirates to go **** themselves and trade him to the dodgers for matt kemp and chad billingsley

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:58 PM
All i know now is that if we keep Manny the ClubHouse is gonna be a zoo and so much for the playoffs.yup i agree is there any way we could get another team involed instead of pitt. like say us the marlins & someone else say the reds maybe for dunn noy saying i want dunn i just want manny outta here bad!

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 01:58 PM
The Red Sox approached Ramirez in advance of their negotiations, and got his OK. He signed off on the paperwork, contingent upon the two $20-million team options for 2009 and '10 being dropped. That move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter, assuming a trade can be completed by the three teams.
Source: SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1)

WTF? Hasn't the Manny/Boras camp claimed that no one talked to them about any deals?

redsox12
07-31-2008, 01:58 PM
OXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal has joined ESPN's Jayson Stark in saying that the three-team Manny Ramirez deal is "dead."
Rosenthal's source is an executive with one of the teams. The three-team trade had Manny Ramirez going to Florda, Jason Bay to Boston and Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh. John Grabow also likely would have changed hands somehow. It's unclear whether the Pirates' demands for prospects or the Marlins' quest for cash killed it. For what it's worth, Ramirez also denied that he had approved a trade to Florida.

rotoworld

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 01:59 PM
You mean sort of like this (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080729&sportCat=mlb)?


:laugh:

Good stuff

cocossox
07-31-2008, 01:59 PM
hows this tell thee marlins and pirates to go **** themselves and trade him to the dodgers for matt kemp and chad billingsleythat would be nice

Towelie
07-31-2008, 02:00 PM
It was said that marlins blame the pirates for not getting it done, the Pirates blame the Marlins, and Boston is pissed at Both.

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:00 PM
Guys just to get some heads screwed back on in here,
Just realize that if Manny is not traded it will not be the end of the world.

If the Sox don't make a move to shore up the Bullpen then the sox are screwed IMO.

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 02:00 PM
Great well i should just kiss this season of baseball right down the ole crapper.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:01 PM
i feel sick right now...... i wish i could just sleep for the next 2 hours wake up and see jason bay or matt kemp in a sox uni

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:01 PM
It was said that marlins blame the pirates for not getting it done, the Pirates blame the Marlins, and Boston is pissed at Both.

:clap: 10 min after i said it

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 02:02 PM
Guys just to get some heads screwed back on in here,
Just realize that if Manny is not traded it will not be the end of the world.

If the Sox don't make a move to shore up the Bullpen then the sox are screwed IMO.

But in this deal, the Sox solve the 2 biggest problems:

1. Manny distraction
2. Bullpen

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:07 PM
red sox nneeda do something... this season is screwed if we dont

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:10 PM
But in this deal, the Sox solve the 2 biggest problems:

1. Manny distraction
2. Bullpen

obviously my personal opinion here but I Think:
The Manny distractions are WAY overblown and media hype
The Lineup is Greater with Manny in it than it would be with Bay
And I would rather Lose a Moss type prospect " even though Moss is one of my favorite spects" for a Bp arm instead of needlessly trading away good prospects and sending Money just so we can Move Manny.

Its not gonna break my heart if Te sox retain Manny for the rest of the year.
What breaks my heart is that Manny will never be the Hero that he could of been because his pride was tweaked when Epstein tried to get rid of him a few years ago.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:11 PM
im turning off espn news. Stark just said there is life after death...bay to tampa bay is in the works.

ccspence8
07-31-2008, 02:12 PM
Some say the Rays for Bay deal might be on.

And Gammons said he's heard Bay and Red Sox deal still might get done.


It'll be interesting.

redsoxfuture
07-31-2008, 02:12 PM
maybe the 3 teams are letting out word that it is dead so they can do the deal under the radar. no more of the conflicting stories and do the deal with all the media outlets saying its dead.

Corey
07-31-2008, 02:12 PM
Who knows. Manny could come back and play his *** off to try and get a massive contract next season from the Mets or someone else.

Anything can happen at this point.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 02:14 PM
But in this deal, the Sox solve the 2 biggest problems:

1. Manny distraction
2. Bullpen

I agree. Manny staying on the team has as much potential to be as bad as good. Obviously quitting on the team will have its price on the market but I think enough folks will justify it that he might do it.


One thing about this that bugs me is that on one count Manny is right.


Why does it always have to end badly? Nomar was a God in Boston, but right before he was traded all that came out were reports about how he was a bad teammate, a jerk in the clubhouse, didn't like Boston, etc.

When Pedro left it was all about how he had abused the Red Sox' trust, was a money-grubbing prima-donna. . .

Now this with Manny. For once I'd like a Trot Nixon style goodbye. I'd just like to see a realization that it wasn't going to work out past this year, it was time to move on and a chance for the fans to show their appreciation for a guy who they loved for the past couple years with a nice rousing standing ovation.

You make it sound like it's the Sox fault organizationally. I agree that the Nomar situation was dealt with poorly but I'm not quite in agreement about Pedro; they were fairly close-lipped about things until he broke the ice with comments about "respect" and how he was getting in the four-year deal that the Sox rightly did not offer him.

The Manny saga I think is different. His behavior has long been noted as bizarre but tolerated. He crossed the line with the incident with McCormick (IMO) and from that point on (June 29-30) things have unraveled quickly. It really escalated, though, when Manny himself took to babbling to Euclides Rojas. He did that all by himself and I think that's where the final straw came.

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:14 PM
honestly idc what happens i just want it to happen already!!!!

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 02:16 PM
obviously my personal opinion here but I Think:
The Manny distractions are WAY overblown and media hype
The Lineup is Greater with Manny in it than it would be with Bay
And I would rather Lose a Moss type prospect " even though Moss is one of my favorite spects" for a Bp arm instead of needlessly trading away good prospects and sending Money just so we can Move Manny.

Its not gonna break my heart if Te sox retain Manny for the rest of the year.
What breaks my heart is that Manny will never be the Hero that he could of been because his pride was tweaked when Epstein tried to get rid of him a few years ago.

You might have missed a few things that I posted in the other (massive) thread. Apparently Tito had a team meeting last Saturday to deal with the Manny-Sox mess. Schilling (as always) had some things to say, but noting that it was effect the team was among them. I don't think it's being overplayed much, if at all.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 02:18 PM
Those on-again, off-again Jason Bay-to-Tampa Bay talks are back on, according to a source familiar with the discussions. The two sides have been so far apart that it appeared they'd given up on each other as of early Thursday afternoon. But the source said they've closed that gap somewhat and are still talking.

Tampa Bay has hinted its willingness to structure a package around pitcher Jeff Niemann and shortstop prospect Reid Brignac, but the Pirates have been seeking one of their elite pitching prospects -- Wade Davis, David Price or Jeremy Hellickson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3513024&name=mlb_trade_deadline

matthewredskin3
07-31-2008, 02:18 PM
Our season is over, the Bay deal didn't come through. I know it's not the end of the world, but Manny WILL be a distraction for the rest of the year, and even if we get a reliever doesn't mean our season is saved. Does anybody remember last year when we got a reliever. We need to get rid of Manny. The rays will get Bay, the Yankees will make another move and they already got Pudge. Unless we get Billingsly and Kemp from Dodgers for Manny and maybe a prospect, our season is over. I love Manny and Hate Manny, but it's time for him to go. When the Rays get Bay, that makes them the team to beat in the east. The Yankees will end up getting wild card too unless we deal Manny.

matthewredskin3
07-31-2008, 02:21 PM
Unless Miraclly Manny tries to play, ahh just kidding.

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:22 PM
RST
I agree things have escalated And I am NOT defending Manny in any way BUT You gotta think some of this is being overhyped To make a trade a little bit more palatable for the Rs fans.
I think you of all people can see the FRENZY the media has stirred.

On another note not directed at you Rst
The sky is not falling
Manny will not lay down on the Sox
This will all blow over after the trade deadline
And the Angels will win the world series this year anyways

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 02:25 PM
2:18PM

Less than 2 hours before the trading deadline, the Red Sox were still trying to make this 3-way deal with the Pirates and Marlins work, but as one source said, "They're not going to be stupid about it." At the moment, the deal would require the Red Sox to include prospects as well as Manny Ramirez and the $7 million remaining on his 2008 salary, a price the Sox appear unwilling tto pay at this time.

Another industry source said within the last 10 minutes that he thinks talks will go down to the 4 p.m. deadline.

Source: Boston Globe

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:26 PM
Oh yeah and I did miss the stuff you posted in the other thread.
I have been following pretty closely though just making my observations. : )

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:26 PM
RST
I agree things have escalated And I am NOT defending Manny in any way BUT You gotta think some of this is being overhyped To make a trade a little bit more palatable for the Rs fans.
I think you of all people can see the FRENZY the media has stirred.

On another note not directed at you Rst
The sky is not falling
Manny will not lay down on the Sox
This will all blow over after the trade deadline
And the Angels will win the world series this year anyways

wow. u must think ur a godess to make all those predictions. MANNY HAS laid down for the sox. this WILL NOT blow over and the angels MAY win the AL. but they will and i say will get SHAT on by the cubs

matthewredskin3
07-31-2008, 02:27 PM
RST
I agree things have escalated And I am NOT defending Manny in any way BUT You gotta think some of this is being overhyped To make a trade a little bit more palatable for the Rs fans.
I think you of all people can see the FRENZY the media has stirred.

On another note not directed at you Rst
The sky is not falling
Manny will not lay down on the Sox
This will all blow over after the trade deadline
And the Angels will win the world series this year anyways
True, but since that's that case we should still trade Manny for prospects and let Crisp or Ellsbury or Moss play the rest of the season at LF.

matthewredskin3
07-31-2008, 02:28 PM
or at least for a SS

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:30 PM
wow. u must think ur a godess to make all those predictions. MANNY HAS laid down for the sox. this WILL NOT blow over and the angels MAY win the AL. but they will and i say will get SHAT on by the cubs

A godess? um ok whatever

We all make predictions in this forum and as far as the Cubs beating the angels " your prediction" we'll just have to wait and see

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 02:33 PM
this might be old but did anyoneelse see the sign that manny was holding about him going to green bay for brett favre. :speechless:



id rather have favre than manny. at least he wants to play. LOL

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:33 PM
True, but since that's that case we should still trade Manny for prospects and let Crisp or Ellsbury or Moss play the rest of the season at LF.

I would def not be heartbroken if that happened But that would def be giving up on the season. Just because I don't think the Sox are the strongest AL team right now doesn't mean I think they should Roll over.
If anything take Manny's option for '09 and then trade him.
Win win IMO

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:33 PM
A godess? um ok whatever

We all make predictions in this forum and as far as the Cubs beating the angels " your prediction" we'll just have to wait and see

:laugh::laugh::laugh::silly::silly::silly::laugh2: :laugh2::laugh2::rimshot::rimshot::rimshot:

redsoxfuture
07-31-2008, 02:36 PM
dodgers are still in it

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 02:36 PM
Oh yeah and I did miss the stuff you posted in the other thread.
I have been following pretty closely though just making my observations. : )

I wasn't meaning that negatively in any way (sorry if it came across that way). That thread was so big I assumed you probably didn't read it all.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 02:37 PM
The potential blockbuster trade that would have sent embattled Boston slugger Manny Ramirez to the Marlins has hit a snag, but the Red Sox are now talking to the Los Angeles Dodgers, as well, SI.com has learned.

The Dodgers have offered young outfielder Andre Ethier, but Boston is believed to prefer Matt Kemp.

The Marlins deal isn't believed to be dead, but it appears Florida was unhappy with one or more aspects of the potential blockbuster.

Source: SI.com (Heyman)

redsox12
07-31-2008, 02:37 PM
ESPN's Peter Gammons reports that the Marlins wanted an extra $2 million from the Red Sox above and beyond what Manny Ramirez was owed in order to complete a deal.
That's an especially absurd thought given that the Marlins are likely to take in more on revenue sharing alone this year than they're spending on payroll. If Ramirez is traded now, it might be to the Dodgers.

rotoworld

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:38 PM
I wasn't meaning that negatively in any way (sorry if it came across that way). That thread was so big I assumed you probably didn't read it all.

No thats cool man I understood:)

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:38 PM
2:31pm: Heyman says the Dodgers are back in the mix for Manny but the Marlins aren't out of it.

YAY! :D

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 02:39 PM
does anyone know if the kemp, manny, jones deal is back on?

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 02:39 PM
Damn, Manny's possible last at-bat is on NESN right now, taunting us!!!

redsoxfuture
07-31-2008, 02:40 PM
i hope they do not run out of time with the dodgers. kemp would be sweet

Card&Al
07-31-2008, 02:40 PM
YAY! :D

More than one team interested helps the Sox. Once Florida knows that the Dodgers want him, they might lower their requests. Or maybe we get a great package from LAD.

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:41 PM
i hope they do not run out of time with the dodgers. kemp would be sweet

the rumor is sox have been looking to land a top 10 prospect in the LAD system, matt kemp and either clayton kershaw or chad billingsley for manny and a prospect

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:41 PM
Source: SI.com (Heyman)

I'd be ALL for a weaker Lineup NOW if the SOX could get their grubby hands on Kemp. The Kid works Really hard is motivated and would prob be a monster in Fenway. Not sure of his batting style I just know he is a stud.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 02:43 PM
now it looks like talks are "fluid"

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Am9djoVLUKFga8Ppuvl9KOY5nYcB?slug=ap-redsox-ramirez&prov=ap&type=lgns

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 02:43 PM
If we got Kemp + Billingsley/Kershsaw I would kiss the ground Theo walked on.

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:44 PM
i feel kemp would be more than manny in a few seasons.. ethier is not bad though either i wouldnt be totlly upset getting him

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 02:44 PM
Kemp + Bills would be SICK

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 02:44 PM
Do we seriously need another thread? Just use the other one. Besides, more people are viewing that one. :D

dodgers07champs
07-31-2008, 02:45 PM
There was an article earlier on rotoworld saying we were willing to give up Kemp for Manny..I hope I am wrong, but if you guys snag Kemp from us, you will have ripped us a new one. Btw ignore my name..lol.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 02:45 PM
That article was from 2 hours and 20 minutes ago.....

And we already have a thread.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
Kemp + Bills would be SICK

is bills in the rumors? i would love chad on this team

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
Kemp + Bills would be SICK

I would be surprised if the Dodgers would even give Kemp for manny, nevermind kemp and billingsley (one of the best young pitchers in the NL). If anything, I could see a kemp/broxton trade for manny/prospect. I would love that.

RSF1977
07-31-2008, 02:46 PM
Reading all these posts is like a damn rollercoaster ride I am getting of before I uh uh uh :puke:

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 02:47 PM
the rumor is sox have been looking to land a top 10 prospect in the LAD system, matt kemp and either clayton kershaw or chad billingsley for manny and a prospect

That trade would be purely amazing. Kemp and Billingsley. Billingsley shut out the Giants last night. Beckett - Dice-K - Lester - Billingsley - Buchholz, rotation of the future.

SOXPATSCELTS
07-31-2008, 02:47 PM
Well all i know is it sux not knowing

dodgers07champs
07-31-2008, 02:48 PM
I think you all will have Manny after the deadline..I don't think there is enough out there to convince you to trade him, unless Ned coughs up Kemp..

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:49 PM
as i said i just wanna get this done already!!!!

quiksilver2491
07-31-2008, 02:50 PM
We would never get Kemp AND Billingsley. Billingsley is part of their future rotation and they want him so they can counter Cain/Lincecum. If anyone else would be included in the deal I hope its Scott Elbert, he was once a pretty good prospect but he has struggled with some injuries.

Sportfan
07-31-2008, 02:50 PM
dodgers are still in it

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

is kemp involved

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:53 PM
the dodgers said yesterday they would be willing to trade kemp, i think its somewhere in the other massive thread, but as of now no its andre ethier

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 02:54 PM
kemp is 10x better

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 02:55 PM
is kemp involved

yes we are only offering ethier. i knew those kemp being offered rumors were false. for a rental i doubt you will hear the names kershaw, kemp, billingsley, loney mentioned. i think the offer could be ethier and hu

ccspence8
07-31-2008, 02:55 PM
My dream might come true. I've said it for the past week. The sox are better off getting Kemp than Bay.


23 year old 5 tool player.


I don't care if its Manny for Kemp straight up.




Theo take this deal and whatever you do don't take Ethier.

redsoxfuture
07-31-2008, 02:56 PM
i dont like how the attention switched to the dodgers with little time left. that is concerning to me

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 02:56 PM
Forget Billingsley, it's not going to happen.
Manny for Kemp straight up or Manny/Prospect for Kemp/Broxton

homie564
07-31-2008, 02:57 PM
My dream might come true. I've said it for the past week. The sox are better off getting Kemp than Bay.


23 year old 5 tool player.


I don't care if its Manny for Kemp straight up.




Theo take this deal and whatever you do don't take Ethier.

ethier also has a lot of pootential and is a pretty good player hes pretty balanced and can play the bat well

redsox12
07-31-2008, 02:58 PM
ccording to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Dodgers are back in on the Manny Ramirez talks, but they're offering Andre Ethier, not Matt Kemp.
This after Heyman said last night that the Dodgers had made it clear they were willing to trade Kemp for Ramirez. The Red Sox would surely prefer the right-handed hitter and are likely to hold out for him.

rotoworld

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:00 PM
Forget Billingsley, it's not going to happen.
Manny for Kemp straight up or Manny/Prospect for Kemp/Broxton

:laugh: now you want to add broxton as well. man this is ridiculous. i think dodgers are only offering ethier and thats as far as it shoudl go with other prospects like hu and elbert at best

homie564
07-31-2008, 03:00 PM
woo nesn trade deadline special

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 03:02 PM
:laugh: now you want to add broxton as well. man this is ridiculous. i think dodgers are only offering ethier and thats as far as it shoudl go with other prospects like hu and elbert at best

Broxton is less ridiculous than Billingsley. Trade Manny for Kemp straight up, ethier isn't the guy.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 03:02 PM
I think you all will have Manny after the deadline..I don't think there is enough out there to convince you to trade him, unless Ned coughs up Kemp..

Are you kidding? I think Manny is the reason why McCourt wanted to by a baseball team in the first place! :p

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:05 PM
Broxton is less ridiculous than Billingsley. Trade Manny for Kemp straight up, ethier isn't the guy.

even if you agree we cant trade broxton. he is our closer now that saito is out for a while and maybe for good.

Superiority
07-31-2008, 03:06 PM
2:02pm: Rob Bradford of the Boston Herald says
the Braves asked for a pitching prospect for Ohman, and the Red Sox passed.
Mahay remains a possibility.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 03:09 PM
50 minutes. :ohno:

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 03:10 PM
The trade is for Ethier. The Kemp rumor was from one source who isn't completely accurate. The Dodgers are willing to give up Ethier, Hu or Dejesus(two very good shortstop propsets) and Elbert. Bills and Broxton are going nowhere.

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 03:11 PM
even if you agree we cant trade broxton. he is our closer now that saito is out for a while and maybe for good.

Yeah I just realized that, it's manny/kemp or nothing i guess :pray:

quiksilver2491
07-31-2008, 03:12 PM
As were my first suspsicions, it looks like Manny will be staying here after all. If we do a last minute deal that would trade Ethier for Manny straight up, I don't think I could remain a Red Sox fan. (sarcasm for everyone who will call me a bandwagon fan)

Superiority
07-31-2008, 03:12 PM
A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.

Rotoworld.

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah I just realized that, it's manny/kemp or nothing i guess :pray:

Kemp is not involved. It's Ethier and prospects.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:13 PM
Yeah I just realized that, it's manny/kemp or nothing i guess :pray:

i guess then best of luck for you guys in AL with manny. i think and hope kemp isnt going anywhere

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 03:14 PM
Rotoworld.

**** NO!! :mad::cry:

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 03:14 PM
if either is our manny replacement ill CRY. kemp is way better

BoSox2212
07-31-2008, 03:15 PM
Kemp is not involved. It's Ethier and prospects.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were the Dodgers GM

quiksilver2491
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.

Rotoworld.

Eh, im not loving the deal from the Rays side but no doubt they get a whole hell of a lot better this year, althouh I wouldn't want Jason Bartlett playing SS for my team for too long, I thought Brignac would of replaced him at sometime this year. Niemann was very unneccessary though it was a good addition for the Pirates, I actually like the deal for them.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
if either is our manny replacement ill CRY. kemp is way better

right now its not a huge difference but kemp's potential is huge. which is why he is staying.(atleast i hope) he is our best hitter right now. doesnt make sense to trade him

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal.

Source: MLB.com

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
if either is our manny replacement ill CRY. kemp is way better

yes he is but the Dodgers won't give up Kemp. Ethier is still a pretty good player and the prospects that have been mentioned are top 50 prospects.

redsox12
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
well it's over for the Bay front.

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 03:18 PM
if either is our manny replacement ill CRY. kemp is way better

obviously I'm not but if they wouldn't part with Kemp for Santana, Cabrera or Bay why would they for Manny? I'm sorry most of you our just being unrealistic. Come on Bills, Broxton and Kemp for Manny? Be serious.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:19 PM
yes he is but the Dodgers won't give up Kemp. Ethier is still a pretty good player and the prospects that have been mentioned are top 50 prospects.

guys like kemp and ethier are no longer prospects. they are full time baseball players. they play regularly

mcpeepants23200
07-31-2008, 03:23 PM
guys like kemp and ethier are no longer prospects. they are full time baseball players. they play regularly

I'm not calling them prospects. Supposedly Hu or Dejesus and maybe Elbert would also go Bostons way. All three are top 50 prospects and nothing to laugh at. I just think it's funny the rumour said Ethier was involved and Kemp was not involved but still they think they are getting Kemp.

ccspence8
07-31-2008, 03:29 PM
Manny and Hansen for Kemp

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 03:30 PM
Manny and Hansen for Kemp

I would take it in a heartbeat.

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 03:31 PM
^ right about now, i could go for that

homie564
07-31-2008, 03:31 PM
the red sox are gona do nothing unfortunately i cant see anything happening

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 03:34 PM
the red sox are gona do nothing unfortunately i cant see anything happening

yeah, i can't see anything either.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 03:35 PM
I AM STILL CONFIDENT!!!!!!!

:cheer:

I don't think Theo will do all that work for nothing.

Towelie
07-31-2008, 03:35 PM
I want him gone so bad.

cocossox
07-31-2008, 03:36 PM
wtf this SUCKS! royally Im so pissed:smoking: everybody doing everything around us & we do jack **** what a complete JOKE!!!!!!

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Red Sox sources told me moments ago that this three-way deal for Manny Ramirez now seems unlikely and they are exploring other avenues. There's not a lot of optimism on the Red Sox side about a deal getting done.
...

It's looking like the Red Sox are not engaged with the Dodgers in any talks regarding Manny Ramirez.

Source: Boston Globe

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 03:37 PM
I want him gone so bad.

Yeah, you, me, and the other thousand people sporting your sig. :D

tonyd3b54
07-31-2008, 03:37 PM
how about a 3 way wit the dodgers and pits? eithier prospects to pits bay to us manny to dodgers... every1 goes home happy

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 03:37 PM
I AM STILL CONFIDENT!!!!!!!

:cheer:

I don't think Theo will do all that work for nothing.

think of all the trades over the years though that he's worked hours on and never come to fruition. It's just part of the trade deadline.

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:38 PM
how about a 3 way wit the dodgers and pits? eithier prospects to pits bay to us manny to dodgers... every1 goes home happy

a 3 way materialized in half an hour? i dont see that happening. red sox once again want too much for manny. like 2 yrs ago when dodgers and sox were in talks. they wanted broxton martin loney and kemp. 20 min to go. chances are manny is staying with you guys

homie564
07-31-2008, 03:40 PM
how about a 3 way wit the dodgers and pits? eithier prospects to pits bay to us manny to dodgers... every1 goes home happy

bay=tampa bay ray now...

cocossox
07-31-2008, 03:44 PM
:( wow i dont believe this **** ty manny season over!!!!!tyvm:mad:

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 03:44 PM
gordon edes says nothing going on with dodgers.

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 03:47 PM
You guys are ridiculous. How is the season over because Manny is still on our team? If he dogs it the rest of the year he is an idiot and teams will be a whole lot less interested in him in the off season. Who knows maybe Manny will go back to his I want to retire in Boston mood after all this is over.

JimmyMal450
07-31-2008, 03:50 PM
10 minutes left...I believe nothing will happen.

homie564
07-31-2008, 03:50 PM
im more disappointed we did nothing to even try to improve our team moss for mahay imo = YESSS IN A HEARTBEAT!

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 03:50 PM
It appears that discussions with the Marlins, which had hit a snag, are still ongoing. And the Dodgers, who checked in in the afternoon, may be in the running as well.

There is skepticism as to whether the Dodgers can put together a deal quickly. According to people familiar with the talks, the Dodgers have offered young outfielder Andre Ethier, but Boston is believed to prefer the ultra-talented Matt Kemp. Then later, L.A. supposedly moved Ethier out of the deal.

The Marlins appeared to have the better chance with minutes to go before the deadline. The oft-discussed trade had Ramirez going to Florida, Jason Bay to Boston and Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh.

Source: SI.com (Heyman)

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 03:52 PM
a 3 way materialized in half an hour? i dont see that happening. red sox once again want too much for manny. like 2 yrs ago when dodgers and sox were in talks. they wanted broxton martin loney and kemp. 20 min to go. chances are manny is staying with you guys

Huh? The Sox were sending Manny plus his full salary for the rest of the season plus a prospect to get one or two players back and you think they are overvaluing him?

iggypop123
07-31-2008, 03:52 PM
its over. you guys want kemp when its crazy we arent giving him up so deal is dead. nothing is gonna happen in 5 min

cocossox
07-31-2008, 03:52 PM
You guys are ridiculous. How is the season over because Manny is still on our team? If he dogs it the rest of the year he is an idiot and teams will be a whole lot less interested in him in the off season. Who knows maybe Manny will go back to his I want to retire in Boston mood after all this is over.the biggest reason why no team wanted him is because their afaid of him laying down for them I hate him hes a piece of ****!:mad:

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-31-2008, 03:53 PM
Maybe Manny will just shut up and start playing for his contract...

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 03:55 PM
7 mins and i just got goosebumps..... i feel like manny was just traded

homie564
07-31-2008, 03:56 PM
haha i wish

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 03:56 PM
You guys realize once the TD passes, if Manny is on the team, We'll all go back to loving and cheering for im.

ZHawk1123
07-31-2008, 03:57 PM
If we don't even get a reliever... Wow...

cocossox
07-31-2008, 03:57 PM
thats strange bay deal NOT confirmed :confused:

khsox2000
07-31-2008, 03:57 PM
Maybe Manny will just shut up and start playing for his contract...

we can only hope. By not playing hard every day, he's hurting himself more.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 03:57 PM
Cmon Soxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 03:58 PM
im more disappointed we did nothing to even try to improve our team moss for mahay imo = YESSS IN A HEARTBEAT!

Not me. I really like Moss.

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 03:59 PM
Not me. I really like Moss.

THANK U. he is still a top 10 prospect in our system.... KEEP MOSS

ZHawk1123
07-31-2008, 03:59 PM
This is ridiculous...

-Lavigne43-
07-31-2008, 03:59 PM
A high level Rays official denied that a deal for Jason Bay with the Pirates was done.
One lone MLB.com beat reporter is still the only one saying that a deal is done, while many others are saying talks are still ongoing. According to the previous report, Bay is on the way to Tampa Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. For what it's worth, Peter Gammons keeps saying that Rays people still think Bay will go to Boston in a Manny Ramirez deal.

roto

homie564
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
It may be back on!

BRNXBOMBERS555
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
Updated 3:49 p.m.: Manny trade talks back on?
The three-way Manny Ramirez blockbuster may be back on, with Pirates outfielder Jason Bay headed to the Red Sox, sources say.


The Rays were also in talks to acquire Bay in the minutes leading to Thursday's 4 p.m. ET non-waiver deadline, but one source has said that the Tampa-Pittsburgh deal is off "unless a miracle happens."

As of 1:30 p.m. ET, the Ramirez trade was "dead," according to an executive with one of the three teams involved in the discussions.

However, the deal has taken numerous twists and turns over the past 24 hours, and the teams kept trying to piece together the blockbuster.

In the initial proposed trade, the Marlins were to trade outfielder Jeremy Hermida and a prospect for Ramirez, and the Red Sox then would flip Hermida and prospects to the Pirates for Bay.

The Pirates' return for Bay, sources say, was the apparent holdup in the deal. The Pirates are seeking an "appropriate return for an All-Star caliber left fielder" — and one who is affordable at $5.75 million this season and $7.5 million in 2009.

To read the rest of this story, click here.

Fox sports

PapelbonLester
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
And Its Over

cocossox
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
nesn says rosenthal says deal might be back on nesn says they will stay with this yil 430 to see if anything comes through.

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
3-way deal with pirates, Sox and Marlins may be back on

According to Nesn.

RedSoxtober
07-31-2008, 04:00 PM
As the deadline quickly approaches, rumors were abuzz that Jason Bay was headed to Tampa in return for shortstop Reid Brignac and pitcher Jeff Niemann. But not so fast.

A source has told me there is no done deal... yet. One of the above names has not been made available. I've got no confirmation on this, but my guess is that Brignac is the one the Rays won't part with.

Source: MLB.com (same one to break the story on Bay)

BostonFan 53
07-31-2008, 04:01 PM
:laugh: 5 people just posted the same thing.

ZHawk1123
07-31-2008, 04:02 PM
Sweet lord...