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sportwiz628
07-31-2008, 08:11 AM
From out of nowhere, the White Sox have acquired Ken Griffey Jr. Ken Rosenthal says the deal awaits Junior's approval. The fit is unclear, as the Sox have Carlos Quentin and Jermaine Dye in the corners and Jim Thome at DH. Perhaps they'll try Griffey at first base?


MLBTR

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10914920

sboyajian
07-31-2008, 08:13 AM
wow.. that is out of nowhere..

BosoxPapi61
07-31-2008, 08:13 AM
That's crazy!

sportwiz628
07-31-2008, 08:13 AM
Jeez definately out of no where lets just see if Griffey will waive his no trade clause

sportwiz628
07-31-2008, 08:14 AM
Today will be crazy...and I love it lets see some more trades like this :D

Brooke
07-31-2008, 08:18 AM
Woah. Didn't see that one coming

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 08:22 AM
Oh thank god, Please Griffey allow it.

Mr.C
07-31-2008, 08:26 AM
Damn soon to be hall of famers on the move like crazy

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 08:31 AM
Yes Griffey please accept the trade!!!

sportwiz628
07-31-2008, 08:32 AM
If he plays first maybe Konerko will get traded.

PUGS1688
07-31-2008, 08:34 AM
This is crazy, haha

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 08:37 AM
Konerko has no trade so im sure he will not waive it.

marlinsfan24
07-31-2008, 08:38 AM
OMG wow. Didn't see this coming.

Andriod
07-31-2008, 08:45 AM
The deal doesn't sound legit, whom from the White Soxs where traded.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 08:49 AM
has anyone seen who they sent?

Dark Donnie
07-31-2008, 08:49 AM
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that Ken Griffey Jr. is deciding whether or not to accept a trade to the White Sox.

Griffey has the right to block any trade, but he figures to be a free agent this winter anyway and moving to a first-place team would seemingly be plenty enticing. However, with Jermaine Dye and Carlos Quentin in the outfield corners and Jim Thome at designated hitter the White Sox don't have anywhere to play Griffey unless they move him back to center field, which would be plenty ugly defensively while also requiring reduced playing time for Nick Swisher or Paul Konerko. Jul. 31 - 8:37 am et

-Source: FOXSports.com

Where's KG?
07-31-2008, 08:50 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398348/Reds,-ChiSox-agree-on-Griffey-trade,-await-approval

CubsfanDan
07-31-2008, 08:55 AM
Move the dirty 30 to first, put JR in center and say bye bye to Paulie. He's just pulling dead weight this year anyways.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 08:59 AM
The only reason this makes sense is because he bats Lefty and hits righties well.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 08:59 AM
:speechless:

I love Griffey, but stay out of the AL!!!!!!

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 09:00 AM
Move the dirty 30 to first, put JR in center and say bye bye to Paulie. He's just pulling dead weight this year anyways.


Jr. can not play center field.....bad idea.

ThisIsTheYear
07-31-2008, 09:02 AM
Move the dirty 30 to first, put JR in center and say bye bye to Paulie. He's just pulling dead weight this year anyways.

Griffey isn't what he used to be. Putting him in CF is not very smart. Maybe you could move one of the corners to CF and put Griffey there.

nstachowski
07-31-2008, 09:09 AM
wow thats outta nowhere!

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 09:13 AM
Center Field in US Cellular is easier to play because its a smaller park. Obvisously he wont play there everyday there will be a lot platooning and giving days off to certain players.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 09:16 AM
Center Field in US Cellular is easier to play because its a smaller park. Obvisously he wont play there everyday there will be a lot platooning and giving days off to certain players.


GABP is tiny in rightfield...and I'd argue that he doesn't even play there well.

sportwiz628
07-31-2008, 09:36 AM
Jr. can not play center field.....bad idea.

Can not play it? Thats the position he used to play but the Chi Sox are gonna be very bad definsively.

Matchstckman
07-31-2008, 09:40 AM
It's not like Swisher is a gold glover in CF either. Griffey won't be any worse.

MaZin420
07-31-2008, 09:44 AM
I like this move for the Sox i believe Griffey will play better in the AL. Plus with his history of injuries it could help to play him DH every now & then.

Mr Wonderful
07-31-2008, 09:48 AM
Griffey will be in center, Swisher will be at first and Konerko will be picking pine out of his ***.

MaZin420
07-31-2008, 09:50 AM
They should definitely trade konerko if they can get anything back.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 09:52 AM
He's replacement level. Dumb move.

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 09:54 AM
He better accept.

I would love him back in the AL.

Southsideheat
07-31-2008, 10:04 AM
here's hoping he's takin D'wayne Wise's spot.

NESports2004
07-31-2008, 10:05 AM
wow

Apophis
07-31-2008, 10:10 AM
thats nuts I didnt see this one coming...

Aapox
07-31-2008, 10:15 AM
He's replacement level. Dumb move.

For one thing, he's ticket and jersey sales right off the bat. Also, he is a proven veteran, HOF calibur player. You don't say no to those types of guys, except maybe Omar Visquel this year (sorry Omar, but damn dude).

DbOyZ_ILiVe4DIs
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
They were talking about him being as possible bench player. I don't know if he would be happy with that. Maybe he might bypass that just to get back into the playoffs.

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
For one thing, he's ticket and jersey sales right off the bat. Also, he is a proven veteran, HOF calibur player. You don't say no to those types of guys, except maybe Omar Visquel this year (sorry Omar, but damn dude).

Calibur??? I know he is a first ballot HOF'er.

sep11ie
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
I don't like this trade. Another slumping old guy on a slow team. I was wanting something else.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
For one thing, he's ticket and jersey sales right off the bat. Also, he is a proven veteran, HOF calibur player. You don't say no to those types of guys, except maybe Omar Visquel this year (sorry Omar, but damn dude).

He's a replacement-level player who can't hit enough to be a DH or 1st baseman, and is terrible defensively out in the OF, and I imagine he won't be very good at 1st, considering he's never played there. Either way, he's replacement-level. I doubt he's even an improvement offensively over Konerko; I imagine they have similar projections the rest of the way.

He's replacement-level, and considering the White Sox are probably going to overvalue him and give something good for him, they certainly can say no to those types of players.

Bulldog76
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
Junior / Swisher will rotate in center...When Junior is out of Center he will rotate to the DH spot and give Thome a day off...

PK is now rumored to head to the Dodgers in a 4 team deal, sending Houston Street to Sox, Konerko to the Dodgers, Derrick Lowe to the Cardinals and prospects from STL and Dodgers to Oakland...

Tragedy
07-31-2008, 10:37 AM
Junior / Swisher will rotate in center...When Junior is out of Center he will rotate to the DH spot and give Thome a day off...

PK is now rumored to head to the Dodgers in a 4 team deal, sending Houston Street to Sox, Konerko to the Dodgers, Derrick Lowe to the Cardinals and prospects from STL and Dodgers to Oakland...
Why in the hell would anyone openly want Konerko right now?

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
Junior / Swisher will rotate in center...When Junior is out of Center he will rotate to the DH spot and give Thome a day off...

PK is now rumored to head to the Dodgers in a 4 team deal, sending Houston Street to Sox, Konerko to the Dodgers, Derrick Lowe to the Cardinals and prospects from STL and Dodgers to Oakland...

Griffey CAN"T play CF. He hasn't plaed in 2006 and his rate2 was 82. Thats god ****ing awful.

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
We'll have to hear who the Sox are giving up before this deal can make any sense.

LeoGetz
07-31-2008, 10:43 AM
When you can get someone like Griffey for prospects you do it & worry about where you play him later

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
When you can get someone like Griffey for prospects you do it & worry about where you play him later

You say that as if Griffey is still good or something.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
read on Cincinnati.com that is rumored to be Brian Anderson. And the White Sox must pay his option buyout next year.

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 10:52 AM
If its BA for Griffey straight-up, that's not bad for the Sox at all.

I'd be a little surprised if that was all it took, though.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 10:56 AM
If its BA for Griffey straight-up, that's not bad for the Sox at all.

I'd be a little surprised if that was all it took, though.

I'm trying to find the link now. I wouldn't be suprised if that was it, BA still has some value, may just need a change of scenery. The reds have no CF'er for next year. It saves 4 mill by having the sox pay the buyout. And after Griffey's blowup on Brantley....the Reds are fed up.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
I'm trying to find the link now. I wouldn't be suprised if that was it, BA still has some value, may just need a change of scenery. The reds have no CF'er for next year. It saves 4 mill by having the sox pay the buyout. And after Griffey's blowup on Brantley....the Reds are fed up.

uhhh Jay Bruce?

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
I'm trying to find the link now. I wouldn't be suprised if that was it, BA still has some value, may just need a change of scenery. The reds have no CF'er for next year. It saves 4 mill by having the sox pay the buyout. And after Griffey's blowup on Brantley....the Reds are fed up.

BA has definitely shown some promise this year, seems to be getting a lot of big hits when he gets a chance. Still though, seems like it could be a decent deal for both sides, but you'd think Cincy could have gotten more. And what about Jay Bruce?

Still, all speculation right now, though...

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 10:58 AM
If it's just for Anderson I would of settled for Corey Patterson, let alone Griffey.

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Also you'd have to think the White Sox have more dealing to do, just to find a spot of Junior, unless they plan on sticking him on the bench.

soxnfins
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
I love this trade! As long as we don't trade Swisher in a deal for Huston Street, Steve Stone said we might. XD. I will cry if Swish is dealt, and idk why he would be he's locked up for 4 yrs @ only 3.2m/yr.

acecrusher06
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
wow...nice move

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
Trading Swisher would be a ridiculously bad move.

LeoGetz
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
You say that as if Griffey is still good or something.

If the Sox can land Griffey for one or two mid level prospects it's a good deal, low risk & somewhat good reward

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Also you'd have to think the White Sox have more dealing to do, just to find a spot of Junior, unless they plan on sticking him on the bench.

Konerko, here's a gun and a bullet. Russian Roulette with Uribe.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
Latest News:

"According to a source familiar with the situation, a deal is in place between the White Sox and Reds for the White Sox to acquire Ken Griffey, Jr.--pending his approval.

Griffey is getting a few questions answered, of which none have to do with his contract, it has to do with where he will play, and his decision still could go either way.

--Scott Merkin and Mark Sheldon"

sager729
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
If we could get the Cardinals, Dodgers and A's to do something with PK, I think he would accept the trade because he is from the west coast and has said he wants to play out there.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
BA has definitely shown some promise this year, seems to be getting a lot of big hits when he gets a chance. Still though, seems like it could be a decent deal for both sides, but you'd think Cincy could have gotten more. And what about Jay Bruce?

Still, all speculation right now, though...

Bruce is a natural right fielder. Anderson could serve as an experiment in CF for two months at least. The Reds F/O would then have a better idea of whether or not they need to find a CF'er for next season.

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:07 AM
Konerko, here's a gun and a bullet. Russian Roulette with Uribe.

:laugh:

Yeah, I doubt Griffey would accept the trade if he'd just be on the bench anyway.

MGB
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
Konerko, here's a gun and a bullet. Russian Roulette with Uribe.

Come on man, that's just irresponsible. You have to give them 2 bullets.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 11:14 AM
People are suggesting that the rumor about Brian Anderson not being enough, aren't understanding the complete picture.

Griffey has no more than two months left in Cincy (his option won't be picked up). This will be simply a salary dump at this point, the Reds will be tickled if they get something of value back at this point. The Reds Nation is angered at what he did with Jeff Brantley the other day. I would be amazed if Griffey turns this trade down, I think he'd be booed to no end at GABP.

Link to the Brantley incident.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Ken-Griffey-throws-a-throat-slash-toward-Jeff-Br?urn=mlb,96385

maniuchi
07-31-2008, 11:15 AM
Richar and Masset going to cinnciantii

MGB
07-31-2008, 11:16 AM
Richar and Masset going to cinnciantii

hmmm.... are you making this up? :nod:

If by chance you're not, I'm not sure how I feel about that. Masset kinda sucks, but Richar could be good...

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:17 AM
Source?

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm gonna assume anyone with less than, say, 2 posts, is full of **** today.

maniuchi
07-31-2008, 11:17 AM
cbs sports mlb

sager729
07-31-2008, 11:18 AM
Masset needs to be a starter, he is not a bullpen pitcher. He could be good and Richar is ok.

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 11:18 AM
Richar and Masset according to CBSSPORTSLINE.

sixers247
07-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Griffey definitly doesn't look right in the White Sox uniform.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 11:20 AM
Can Richar play SS? No one is replacing Brandon Phillips at second, so doubtful.

MGB
07-31-2008, 11:21 AM
Richar and Masset according to CBSSPORTSLINE.

looks like we're going after O Dog in the offseason then... I think I like this better than BA? :shrug:

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 11:22 AM
White Sox going after holliday too

lie

MGB
07-31-2008, 11:22 AM
White Sox going after holliday too

:drool:


Can Richar play SS? No one is replacing Brandon Phillips at second, so doubtful.

Ya, Idk how good Richar would be at SS, but it could be a possibility. What about Phillips moving to 1st when Dunn is done (isn't he probably gone after this season)?

MGB
07-31-2008, 11:24 AM
lie

I wouldn't doubt that they're going after him, that was speculated a week ago or so, but actually getting him, that's a different story.

Wrigleyboy25
07-31-2008, 11:26 AM
Griffey has approved. Deal was for Richar and Masset.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 11:27 AM
:drool:



Ya, Idk how good Richar would be at SS, but it could be a possibility. What about Phillips moving to 1st when Dunn is done (isn't he probably gone after this season)?

If Dunn is not resigned, they will either go after a LF in free agency or move Encarnacion or Votto to left, if Votto moves to left...Encarnacion may move to 1st.

I don't see any chance of BP moving to first, he may win the gold glove at second this year and probably should have won it last year.

With that said, the Reds need a SS.

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 11:27 AM
According to our forum he has approved from various reports.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 11:27 AM
Ken Griffey Jr. is just not that good. I have him as a true talent -.7 WAR given his playing time, or as a -.3 WAR player per 162 games as an OF in the NL. Yes, he is that bad. You can easily get players like him out in the open market. Giving up anything is too much for him.

If he is a DH, as a true talent .331 wOBA hitter, he'd be a replacement level player.

Believe it or not, Griffey is just not that valuable anymore.

yaowowrocket11
07-31-2008, 11:29 AM
Griffey is one of my favorite players of all time. I can't wait to watch him play in Chicago next week against the Red Sox!

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:29 AM
Well, he's 38. Not like they gave up a ton for him, though.

PunkShizzle
07-31-2008, 11:30 AM
Should be interesting to see how this plays out position-wise...will they actually put him back in center?

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 11:30 AM
Ken Griffey Jr. is just not that good. I have him as a true talent -.7 WAR given his playing time, or as a -.3 WAR player per 162 games as an OF in the NL. Yes, he is that bad. You can easily get players like him out in the open market. Giving up anything is too much for him.

If he is a DH, as a true talent .331 wOBA hitter, he'd be a replacement level player.

Believe it or not, Griffey is just not that valuable anymore.

We don't need him to be that valuable we need him to not suck as much as Konerko. Richar, with Ramirez and Beckham were expendable. And Masset sucks.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 11:34 AM
We don't need him to be that valuable we need him to not suck as much as Konerko. Richar, with Ramirez and Beckham were expendable. And Masset sucks.

Griffey and Konerko probably have similar projections, so the improvement you get is practically none. You might even get worse.

sager729
07-31-2008, 11:35 AM
Let's wait until the 3pm deadline to see where the Sox are at.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
Has JD bought his new jersey yet?

BALLER71
07-31-2008, 11:37 AM
Danny Richar is a nice 2B.
Nice pop.

slapshots1921
07-31-2008, 11:40 AM
i think if we included masset in this deal that a houston street deal to the sox is also real close

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 11:42 AM
Has JD bought his new jersey yet?

Haha. I don't even have a Dye jersey. I'm excited but not that excited. If this means we give up Swisher for Street I wish we didn't do a damn thing.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 11:47 AM
Haha. I don't even have a Dye jersey. I'm excited but not that excited. If this means we give up Swisher for Street I wish we didn't do a damn thing.

Theres no way you're doing swisher for street. Street hasn't been very good this year around 100 ERA+ IIRC

PhillyPride13
07-31-2008, 11:48 AM
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07-31-2008, 11:51 AM
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BayFan
07-31-2008, 11:51 AM
Nice pick-up for the Sox, he'll fit in nicely in that line-up.

Soxfan54
07-31-2008, 11:52 AM
this a great trade for the sox. richard will probably not be much more than a utility infielder and masset has very little value. Griffy may not have much left in his tank, but he can still hit for power and play decent defense. hes also a guy who plays grinder baseball.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 11:58 AM
this a great trade for the sox. richard will probably not be much more than a utility infielder and masset has very little value. Griffy may not have much left in his tank, but he can still hit for power and play decent defense. hes also a guy who plays grinder baseball.

What? Griffey is possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball, and he really can't hit all that much anymore.

He plays grinder baseball, and?

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 12:02 PM
And Griffey comes at no price the reds will pay his remaining 4 million left on this years contract.
This is from SI.com



Ken Griffey Jr. has approved a trade to the White Sox that sends baseball's newest member of the 600-HR Club back to the American League, where he starred with the Seattle Mariners in the 1990s. The Reds will get infiedler Danny Richar and pitcher Nick Masset from the White Sox in exchange.

As a 10-and-5 player (10 years in the majors and five with the same team), Griffey, who is hitting .245 with 15 home runs and 53 RBIs in 359 at-bats, had the right to reject the deal.

The Reds will pay the remainder of Griffey's $12 millions alary for this year, which comes to about $4 million.

Masset has pitched in 32 games for the White Sox this season, starting one. He is 1-0 with a 4.63 ERA. Richar is currently in the minor leagues.

White Sox general manager Ken Williams has long been an admirer of Griffey's and for years tried to acquire the 38-year-old outfielder, who hit his 600th home run in June. Griffey joins a White Sox team that leads the American League in home runs with 147.

Adding Griffey would appear to create a logjam of hitters and outfielders. Williams, a known dealmaker, could have another trade in mind to open a spot for Griffey.

If Williams keeps all the hitters, some rearranging would be necessary. One option is for Griffey to become the team's designated hitter with Jim Thome moving to first base to replace the struggling Paul Konerko. Another option would be to put Griffey in center field, move Nick Swisher to first base (where Swisher filled in for nearly a month when Konerko was on the disabled list earlier this season) and leave Thome as the DH.

In both those scenarios, Konerko would be the odd man out. He is batting .214 with nine home runs and 35 RBIs. Since the All-Star break, Konerko is 8-for-42 (.190) with one RBI.

The White Sox lead the Twins by 1 games in the AL Central. The teams finish a four-game series Thursday night in Minnesota.

FoxSports.com first reported the trade.

sager729
07-31-2008, 12:04 PM
We don't have to pay anything for Griffey's salary this year.

Cubsfan1433
07-31-2008, 12:10 PM
I say this doesn't really help you guys all that much.

Man it will be weird seeing Griffey in a sox uniform

Raidaz4Life
07-31-2008, 12:14 PM
I say this doesn't really help you guys all that much.

Man it will be weird seeing Griffey in a sox uniform

Agreed I have always felt it was wrong seeing Griffey in anything but a Mariners uniform

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
07-31-2008, 12:17 PM
Should be interesting I suppose.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 12:20 PM
Agreed I have always felt it was wrong seeing Griffey in anything but a Mariners uniform

We got used to seeing him in a Reds uniform :sigh:

Max Power
07-31-2008, 12:25 PM
And Griffey comes at no price the reds will pay his remaining 4 million left on this years contract.


How is this possible? Last season, Selig nixed a Jaques Jones to Fla deal because the Cubs agreed to pay the remainder of his contract. If this goes through, Bud Selig is even a bigger piece of **** than was already known. He doesn't even try to hide the fact that he is Reinsdorf's lover.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 12:29 PM
How is this possible? Last season, Selig nixed a Jaques Jones to Fla deal because the Cubs agreed to pay the remainder of his contract. If this goes through, Bud Selig is even a bigger piece of **** than was already known. He doesn't even try to hide the fact that he is Reinsdorf's lover.

Bud Selig hates the cubs its a well known fact we just have to live with. But it was kinda good he played better in the second half lol

northsider
07-31-2008, 12:34 PM
Why Griffey Why!

:puke:

IndiansFan337
07-31-2008, 12:40 PM
I just don't see how this is an upgrade at any position. Griffey is no better than Swisher, IMO.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 12:45 PM
We don't have to pay anything for Griffey's salary this year.


Even if that is true, it says nothing about the buyout. I'd expect the White Sox to be on the hook for that.

Hoorock
07-31-2008, 12:46 PM
Seamhead says: Griffey is possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball, and he really can't hit all that much anymore

Griffey is the 4th ranked RF in fielding percentage in the majors. And he can still hit. 15 HR, 53 RBI and july was his best month (statistically, august is his best over his career) so where do you get your facts?

Griffey is an upgrade over Konerko's bat and that's essentially what he'll be replacing. Swish to first, Griff to CF, Konerko to bench or DL or platoon with Thome. Either way you slice it, we've now got two 500+ HR left handers in the heart of the lineup and nobody is going to want to see them late in a game or in the playoffs.

YankeeFan89
07-31-2008, 12:55 PM
wow...whats next...

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 12:55 PM
griffey's fielding percentage is high because of his lack of range....somebody please look up his zone rating.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 12:58 PM
Seamhead says: Griffey is possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball, and he really can't hit all that much anymore

Griffey is the 4th ranked RF in fielding percentage in the majors. And he can still hit. 15 HR, 53 RBI and july was his best month (statistically, august is his best over his career) so where do you get your facts?

Griffey is an upgrade over Konerko's bat and that's essentially what he'll be replacing. Swish to first, Griff to CF, Konerko to bench or DL or platoon with Thome. Either way you slice it, we've now got two 500+ HR left handers in the heart of the lineup and nobody is going to want to see them late in a game or in the playoffs.

Wow so much wrong with this post.

FP IIRC only judges balls that you get to. As a RF this year his Rate2 is 87 which is well below average.

Griff cannot play CF. He hasn't since 2006 and when he did he had a rate2 of 83 which is ugly. Plus if you put him there he'll probably get first.

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 01:01 PM
I just don't see how this is an upgrade at any position. Griffey is no better than Swisher, IMO.

Griffey is better than Konerko :)

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 01:05 PM
Griffey has a 940 OPS over the last month. Considering Konerko is OPSing like he is Carlos Gomez, it's worth the risk considering Richar is a victim of circumstance, and Masset was playing Whitney Houston in the Bobby Brown-Whitney Houston roleplay.

MGB
07-31-2008, 01:07 PM
Griffey has a 940 OPS over the last month. Considering Konerko is OPSing like he is Carlos Gomez, it's worth the risk considering Richar is a victim of circumstance, and Masset was playing Whitney Houston in the Bobby Brown-Whitney Houston roleplay.

:laugh: :laugh2: :laugh:
That made my day.

Kinsm
07-31-2008, 01:12 PM
Masset will join Todd Coffey in the deal the Reds are putting together to send to China for some General Tsos chicken. They will be roving instructors.

Seamhead
07-31-2008, 01:17 PM
Seamhead says: Griffey is possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball, and he really can't hit all that much anymore

[quote]Griffey is the 4th ranked RF in fielding percentage in the majors.

Range factor isn't a very good statistic, and its creator, Bill James, has even admitted to. It doesn't even tell you how many balls you get to, just about the ones that you do. It is not that much better than fielding percentage. There are 2 very good statistics, which do measure range, that I like. RZR(amount of outs you make within your zones) and, OOZ(amount of balls you get to outside of the zone), UZR(basically, a mixture of the previous 2, except it's adjusted for park and pitcher handedness) -- you can google them to know more about them.

Griffey is dead last in the majors in RZR this season (among RF) with a .826, and has a very unimpressive 28 OOZ. Last season he was 8th out of 19 in RZR, but he was 19th in OOZ (among RF). In 2006, he was dead last in the majors in RZR among CF, and was 26th in OOZ. That's pretty terrible.

(Find RZR and OOZ here: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/stats/)

Let's look at how he's done in UZR. UZR is in runs above or below average, so if he's like a -26, that means he cost his teams 26 runs compared to what an
average fielder would do. The 2008 or 2007 data isn't available, since the guy who created the statistic works for the Cardinals now.

2005: -47
2006: -47

There's also the plus/minus system, which has him as the worst defensive CF from 2005-2007.

Yeah, that's terrible. Manny Ramirez might be the only OF that's worse than him defensively.



And he can still hit. 15 HR, 53 RBI and july was his best month (statistically, august is his best over his career) so where do you get your facts?

Yeah, he also has a very unimpressive .312 park adjusted wOBA. His wOBAs the past 2 seasons have been .348 and .320. I have him as a true talent level .331 wOBA hitter. The league average is .338 in the AL, by the way.


Griffey is an upgrade over Konerko's bat and that's essentially what he'll be replacing. Swish to first, Griff to CF, Konerko to bench or DL or platoon with Thome. Either way you slice it, we've now got two 500+ HR left handers in the heart of the lineup and nobody is going to want to see them late in a game or in the playoffs.

Either way you slice it, the Sox do not improve at all. Griffey and Konerko are projected to hit about the same the rest of the way, and Konerko isn't a complete butcher defensively. Griffey is going to be a joke to watch in CF.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-31-2008, 01:22 PM
:clap: seamhead thanks for breaking that down....it was lunch time so I gave the cliff notes :p

Mr Wonderful
07-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Well, it appears that the Reds picked up the tab for this one...good trade regardless if he plays or not. (and he will play).

JDIsMyGod23
07-31-2008, 01:34 PM
I don't think non-White Sox fans get how painful it is to watch Konerko play. He can't make a throw to 2nd, his hitting is as good as a white midget in basketball. Watching Konerko play makes me want to watch my parents have sex... twice...

Doylerules90
07-31-2008, 01:36 PM
Was this more of a favor to Griffey rather than an upgrade for the Sox?

CarniifeX
07-31-2008, 02:05 PM
NOOO!!! Griffey is my favorite player, even when he was with Seattle. I hate the ChiSox.

CarniifeX
07-31-2008, 02:06 PM
Was this more of a favor to Griffey rather than an upgrade for the Sox?

I think it was more of another veteran presence in the lineup and for the playoffs. (If they make it)

JHG722
07-31-2008, 02:13 PM
Completely pointless trade, anyone?

Mr Wonderful
07-31-2008, 02:13 PM
I think it was more of another veteran presence in the lineup and for the playoffs. (If they make it)

LMAO, they are a few years removed from winning the WS! Why the hell do they need a veteran presence for the playoffs. :rolleyes:

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 02:37 PM
NOOO!!! Griffey is my favorite player, even when he was with Seattle. I hate the ChiSox.

:mad:

How can you hate the White Sox???

Doylerules90
07-31-2008, 02:45 PM
:mad:

How can you hate the White Sox???

How can you not?

DaSox_05
07-31-2008, 02:50 PM
How can you not?

LOL!!! A Yankee fan saying that LOL!!!

Doylerules90
07-31-2008, 02:52 PM
LOL!!! A Yankee fan saying that LOL!!!

Yeah, I think that would be my basis for hating the White Sox :p

pad1
07-31-2008, 02:55 PM
And there you go.