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Sportfan
07-30-2008, 05:51 PM
on the hotlist it says they are very close to trading manny to the marlins players we get back will be announced at the top of the hour on SC

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 05:53 PM
I'm extremely nervous right now.

marlinsfan24
07-30-2008, 05:53 PM
yay! omg! I hope we didnt give up too much

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 05:53 PM
o ****, please make it smart please get some usefull stuff back

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 05:54 PM
we get hermida prospects trade that for bay or dunn
source peter gammons

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 05:54 PM
I know its not gonna happen, but just imagine if we got hanley that would be so sick

like a manny, lowrie, bowden, reddick deal

craven fiend
07-30-2008, 05:55 PM
Hopefully they aren't getting our hopes up. Probably something like Hermida and a few specs. Anyone else think they could turn around these pieces for another trade?

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 05:56 PM
I know its not gonna happen, but just imagine if we got hanley that would be so sick

like a manny, lowrie, bowden, reddick deal

i asked that at the marlins forum. they said they would do it if we repacled reddick for bucholz i'd do it

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 05:57 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.

We've been through this for 4 years.

brandonwarne52
07-30-2008, 05:57 PM
None of this is true.

laxtonto
07-30-2008, 05:57 PM
dude, im not near a tv...WTF is going on? Manny to MArlins for prospects then those are being dealt for who?

ccspence8
07-30-2008, 05:59 PM
Yes it is WEEI confirmed that the Marlins are intense trade discussions.

ThreeIfBaerga
07-30-2008, 05:59 PM
I'm hearing that it's either Hermida or Willingham and a prospect, possibly Jeff Allison. I'd much prefer Hermida as he's younger and has a higher upside, although the injury problems are a big concern. Allison, to me, would simply be a throw-in considering where he's at right now developmentally. Flipping some prospects for Dunn would be nice, but he'd have no place to play considering the fact that we just traded Manny for an outfielder.

craven fiend
07-30-2008, 06:00 PM
3 team deal?

Corey
07-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Hopefully we get Bay out of this.

ccspence8
07-30-2008, 06:04 PM
dude, im not near a tv...WTF is going on? Manny to MArlins for prospects then those are being dealt for who?

Possibly Jason Bay or Adam Dunn.

oe we just keep Hermida.



Supposedly ESPN said something big is happening. So maybe we send a package around Manny for Hanley Ramirez.

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 06:05 PM
Possibly Jason Bay or Adam Dunn.

oe we just keep Hermida.



Supposedly ESPN said something big is happening. So maybe we send a package around Manny for Hanley Ramirez.
HANLEY?

LOL. I wish. But no way.

I want Ramirez gone, but I'll be very unhappy to see Hermida as the centerpiece of the deal.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:05 PM
I'm hearing that it's either Hermida or Willingham and a prospect, possibly Jeff Allison. I'd much prefer Hermida as he's younger and has a higher upside, although the injury problems are a big concern. Allison, to me, would simply be a throw-in considering where he's at right now developmentally. Flipping some prospects for Dunn would be nice, but he'd have no place to play considering the fact that we just traded Manny for an outfielder.

Unle we flip Hemida/Willingham for Dunn or Bay. That would be sweat, I personally would love to have Dunn.

craven fiend
07-30-2008, 06:05 PM
Possibly Jason Bay or Adam Dunn.

oe we just keep Hermida.



Supposedly ESPN said something big is happening. So maybe we send a package around Manny for Hanley Ramirez.

If that were the case, I'd imagine the package would be something like Manny/Buchholz(sp)/Lowrie/Bowden/Anderson

tonyd3b54
07-30-2008, 06:06 PM
ya if we dont get bay out of it our hopes aat a title are basicly gone...

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:07 PM
ESPN said 3 young players. No names, though

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:08 PM
Guys, there is no way we get Hanley, especially if the Marlins dont plan on keeping Manny. Although Id be very happy to send some spects for Hanley and just keep manny til the offseason. I read in the Marlins forum they were saying something about Cameron Maybin

Lord Byron 34
07-30-2008, 06:09 PM
ESPN said 3 young players. No names, though

Buster Olney thinks either Hermida or Willingham as a centerpiece.

Weather woman on NESN just mentioned "Tony Francona." Ouch.

brandonwarne52
07-30-2008, 06:11 PM
Buster Olney thinks either Hermida or Willingham as a centerpiece.

Weather woman on NESN just mentioned "Tony Francona." Ouch.

Stick to the Doppler, sweetheart. :o

laxtonto
07-30-2008, 06:11 PM
ESPN said 3 young players. No names, though

Young pitching to flip to Texas for Salty and Bradley with the hope that Reddick can be ready soon maybe?

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:12 PM
Buster Olney thinks either Hermida or Willingham as a centerpiece.

Weather woman on NESN just mentioned "Tony Francona." Ouch.

If either of those are the centerpiece we should just rest ortiz and lowell for the rest of the year, because we'll need them for next season. Were not sniffing the playoffs without Manny/Holliday/Bay on this team.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:13 PM
Stick to the Doppler, sweetheart. :o

:laugh: you should hear her. She says the most basic things that go for every sport. "if he scores here they'll win the game". It's hilarious.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:15 PM
I dont like the idea of Hermida/Willingham being the centerpiece of a deal for Manny unless we are flipping them for eHOlliday/Dunn/Bay

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:15 PM
gammons said on the hotlist right now that we trade manny for hermida allison and a prospect, (we pay manny's salary) BUT then we give that deal to pittsburgh for bay. basically we get bay and manny it's like he's on the DL and we have to pay him!

ccspence8
07-30-2008, 06:16 PM
Manny for Hermida, Maybin, and Andino


that's my guess

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:18 PM
That makes no sense. Manny is a better player than Bay.

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 06:18 PM
My dream deal for Manny involving the Marlins:

Red Sox in:
OF Josh Willingham
RP Kevin Gregg
1-2 prospects

Marlins in:
OF Manny Ramirez

Jonathan2323
07-30-2008, 06:18 PM
what is going on !!!!!!!!

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Manny for Hermida, Maybin, and Andino


that's my guess

Id love to have Maybin in the future, but if we want to win this year, we have to flip him to someone else unfortuantly.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Ahaha, 47 people viewing the thread. :D

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Please no :pray: You people are insane if you want Manny's bat off this team.

JimmyMal450
07-30-2008, 06:20 PM
This is getting me nervous...

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:20 PM
Now 60 people are viewing the thread.

ccspence8
07-30-2008, 06:21 PM
Id love to have Maybin in the future, but if we want to win this year, we have to flip him to someone else unfortuantly.

Just cuz we get Maybin it doesn't mean we have to send him in a deal for Bay.

The Pirates must want Hermida and then we turn that around with some spects for Bay


Hermida, Bowden and Moss for Bay?

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 06:22 PM
That makes no sense. Manny is a better player than Bay.
It's not about Ramirez being better than Bay.

Ramirez is gone after this year, Bay would be under control beyond 2008. They're looking at the future, not just today.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 06:22 PM
i keep hearing 3 young players/prospects for manny on my local sports talk 980 radio station, im in MD though soo..

cclipper44
07-30-2008, 06:22 PM
I'll be a little disappointed if we end up making this deal and keep the players, but I trust Theo enough, to think he has something else planned.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:24 PM
Please no :prays: You people are insane if you want Manny's bat off this team.

I know I dont, but if there going to, I might as well root for it to be something good. They will have to def make another trade for someone, hopefully one of Bay/Holliday/Dunn. They are all having outstanding seasons themselves, any of the three would be sufficient

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 06:24 PM
I'd rather the Yanks face Hermida/Willingham than Manny any day of the week. Hermida has talent though, and can one day be a J.D Drew type of player. I seriously hope that no great prospect comes to Boston.

laxtonto
07-30-2008, 06:24 PM
The question is that what bat is there available if this isnt turned into Bay or dunn

cocossox
07-30-2008, 06:24 PM
ESPN said 3 young players. No names, though:cry: unless it hermedia & two prospects then we flip the prospects for a decent SS

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
I'll be a little disappointed if we end up making this deal and keep the players, but I trust Theo enough, to think he has something else planned.

Hopefully shipping off the players we get for Bay or Holliday

ccspence8
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
I'd rather the Yanks face Hermida/Willingham than Manny any day of the week. Hermida has talent though, and can one day be a J.D Drew type of player. I seriously hope that no great prospect comes to Boston.

Hermida is already better than Drew.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/29/manny.dodgers/index.html

That was posted in the Marlins forum. Don't know if it's already been posted here.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
Just cuz we get Maybin it doesn't mean we have to send him in a deal for Bay.

The Pirates must want Hermida and then we turn that around with some spects for Bay


Hermida, Bowden and Moss for Bay?

True. Id hate to lose Bowden, but Im sure the Pirates will want a pitching spect included also

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:25 PM
maybe we trade hermida/willingham for fuenteas?

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:26 PM
Hermida is already better than Drew.

...no he isn't.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 06:27 PM
maybe we trade hermida/willingham for fuenteas?

That'd be almost ridiculous for the Sox.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:28 PM
Hermida is already better than Drew.

I really hope you are joking. Hermida is barely above average for his career with a 108 OPS+ and a 102 OPS+ this year, Hermida isnt close to Drew

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 06:28 PM
maybe we trade hermida/willingham for fuenteas?

So essentially we should trade Manny for Fuentas?

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 06:28 PM
maybe we trade hermida/willingham for fuenteas?
So then, in the end, it's Ramirez for Fuentes?

That is awful.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:28 PM
That'd be almost ridiculous for the Sox.

If Manny is Traded it'd be [pointless to get a RP. We would need a bat.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:29 PM
maybe we trade hermida/willingham for fuenteas?

Why? We need some kind of bat if we trade Manny, not a reliever

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:30 PM
whoever said the bay for bowden moss and hermida is crazy. the pirates are asking the rays for a decent starter and a mid level prospect. hermida, the "prospect" for bay

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 06:30 PM
Hermida is already better than Drew.

:speechless:

Career averages:
.270 BA
.346 OBP
.796 OPS
108 OPS+

Drew career averages:
.284 BA
.391 OBP
.895 OPS
130 OPS+

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:31 PM
Why? We need some kind of bat if we trade Manny, not a reliever

acctually he's a closer

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 06:31 PM
If Manny is Traded it'd be [pointless to get a RP. We would need a bat.

Yea, thats what I meant. That it would be ridiculous in the sense of foolish to send Hermida or whoever packing for Fuentes.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 06:32 PM
acctually he's a closer

Closers are relievers...

Also the Sox have Paps (2nd best closer in baseball and in the division ;).)

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:32 PM
acctually he's a closer

Closer=Reliever
Paps=Reliever
Fuentes=Reliever

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:34 PM
:speechless:

Career averages:
.270 BA
.346 OBP
.796 OPS
108 OPS+

Drew career averages:
.284 BA
.391 OBP
.895 OPS
130 OPS+

yeah but you're forgetting that hermida has been in the big leagues for only a couple years

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:34 PM
acctually he's a closer

And since when did we need one of those?

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 06:35 PM
yeah but you're forgetting that hermida has been in the big leagues for only a couple years
So then apply that to what was first said.

It's pretty difficult to say that Hermida is better than Drew, because not only has he not put up better numbers in shorter time, but he's not been in the league long enough, as you just said.

cocossox
07-30-2008, 06:35 PM
on SC are they gonna say who we get at 7pm or something i have it on but i cant find out who we get.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:35 PM
yeah but you're forgetting that hermida has been in the big leagues for only a couple years

He said he IS better than Drew. Not "Once Hermida is in the bigs for a few years he'll be better than JD"

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:36 PM
[QUOTE=BostonFan 53;6073834]Closer=Reliever
Paps=Reliever
Fuentes=Reliever[/QUot
fine let's trade the second best "prospect" and get will ohman

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:36 PM
yeah but you're forgetting that hermida has been in the big leagues for only a couple years

Yea, and all he has is potential, why dont we ask Drew about potential, he was supposed to be the biggest thing in baseball, and look at him, he's good, but not close to what his potential was.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:36 PM
And since when did we need one of those?

Paps to the starting rotation :o

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:37 PM
And since when did we need one of those?

he could be a domiant set-up man

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:37 PM
fine let's trade the second best "prospect" and get will ohman

what are you talking about?

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:37 PM
Paps to the starting rotation :o

No, theres no need for that, we have plenty of starters. Plus it would take him to long to build up arm strength.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:38 PM
No, theres no need for that, we have plenty of starters. Plus it would take him to long to build up arm strength.

I was kidding. Hence the smiley.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:39 PM
he could be a domiant set-up man

he's not a set up man, hes a closer remember?

if we trade Manny, and were flipping the players we get in return, we need to get another bat, not a reliever/set up man/closer/bp arm/lefty specialist, or whatever else you want to call him

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:39 PM
let's stop about this hermida drew thing. hermida is gonna be traded for bay or dunn

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:39 PM
I was kidding. Hence the smiley.

I knew that:p

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:40 PM
let's stop about this hermida drew thing. hermida is gonna be traded for bay or dunn

Hermida isn't even on the team yet.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 06:40 PM
Maybe we could spin what we get plus Hansen to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:42 PM
Maybe we could spin what we get plus Hansen to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes

That would be an absolute dream.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:42 PM
Maybe we could spin what we get plus Hansen to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes

sounds good to me

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:43 PM
[QUOTE=-Lavigne43-;6074000]Maybe we could spin what we get plus Hansen to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes[/
that was the trade for texeria for 2 months.
we would have to add someone else to get both of them

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:44 PM
[QUOTE=-Lavigne43-;6074000]Maybe we could spin what we get plus Hansen to Colorado for Holliday and Fuentes[/
that was the trade for texeria for 2 months.
we would have to add someone else to get both of them

depending on what we get in the deal from Flordia

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 06:47 PM
theo work your magic get some good spects

or be god and get hanley

JimmyMal450
07-30-2008, 06:48 PM
theo work your magic get some good spects

or be god and get hanley

In our dreams...

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:49 PM
theo work your magic get some good spects

or be god and get hanley

if he got hanley i would kiss his feet, luckily for me it prolly wont happen

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:49 PM
but if we got holliday it would be sick:
pedroia
youk
papi
holliday
lowell
drew
lowrie
tek
ellsbury

i know what the marlins brewers yanks and halos did but i think we would have been the big winners of the deadline. We adressed 2 of the 3 problems that seperated us from the world series. if only lowrie turned into pedrioa and lugo was out for the next 26 months

gcoll
07-30-2008, 06:50 PM
I love how all the deals other teams make, are in an effort to get slightly better....

and the ones we are talking about make us worse.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 06:51 PM
dam favre i like u, but i dont care what your doing right now seriously ESPN deadline is only like 21 more hours favre will be around on friday

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 06:52 PM
can someone make this a poll?
which is the best option?
we get hermida, allison, prospect
we get bay in three team trade
we get kemp and jones
we get holliday and fuentas
keep manny


personnaly i liked the 4th option in the best

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:52 PM
mmmmm I can live with looking at Erin Andrews....

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 06:53 PM
I love how all the deals other teams make, are in an effort to get slightly better....

and the ones we are talking about make us worse.
Make us worse only now.

What does it do to our future?

Ramirez walks in November, no replacement.

Hermida next April.

I'd think the latter makes us the better team in '09. We have NOTHING to replace Ramirez after this year. We're in a bind.

bosox3431
07-30-2008, 06:56 PM
Make us worse only now.

What does it do to our future?

Ramirez walks in November, no replacement.

Hermida next April.

I'd think the latter makes us the better team in '09. We have NOTHING to replace Ramirez after this year. We're in a bind.

I dont believe they will just let him walk in november. They would either keep him or trade him. I think theres to much risk in letting him go to the Yankees by letting him walk.

a_roid_3333
07-30-2008, 06:56 PM
is manny in the starting lineup tonight against the halos?

gcoll
07-30-2008, 06:56 PM
Make us worse only now.
Unless we can somehow pull Holliday out of this.


I'd think the latter makes us the better team in '09. We have NOTHING to replace Ramirez after this year. We're in a bind.
We could always pick up Manny's option.

I'm not big on Hermida. If we came away with Kemp, or Holliday....I'd be more excited than if we came away with Hermida. Jason Bay would be decent too.

If we're giving up Manny Ramirez AND eating a lot of his contract.....and we only get Hermida? That's bull ****. There better be a 3rd team involved in this.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 06:57 PM
Make us worse only now.

What does it do to our future?

Ramirez walks in November, no replacement.

Hermida next April.

I'd think the latter makes us the better team in '09. We have NOTHING to replace Ramirez after this year. We're in a bind.

Yep. If we traded Manny and didn't get an OF back, we'd be stuck with Moss as our starting LF. I love Moss, but he's not Manny Ramirez.

Jonathan2323
07-30-2008, 06:58 PM
dam favre i like u, but i dont care what your doing right now seriously ESPN deadline is only like 21 more hours favre will be around on friday

Favre is getting on my nerves i dont care about him lol

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Time for Baseball tonight :)

YankeeFan28
07-30-2008, 07:02 PM
Baseball Prospectus' John Perrotto (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=965) has multiple baseball sources saying the Red Sox are on the verge of sending Ramirez to Florida for three players, including outfielder Mike Stanton.MLBTR

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:02 PM
Apparently trade talks between the Pirates and Rays about Bay have come to a stall. Could have to do with this.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:03 PM
Anyone think Manny gets a big hand if he gets traded during the game?

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:04 PM
MLBTR

oly crap mike stanton is a beast 26 homeruns is either 19 or 20

holy crap im excited now

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:05 PM
I have never heard of him

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:05 PM
Stanton is extremely raw.

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 07:06 PM
Apparently trade talks between the Pirates and Rays about Bay have come to a stall. Could have to do with this.
Good. I don't want the Rays to get any better than they already are.

JimmyMal450
07-30-2008, 07:06 PM
oly crap mike stanton is a beast 26 homeruns is either 19 or 20

holy crap im excited now

He is only 18.

His only problem is that he strikes out too much.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:06 PM
stanton is a marlin top 10 prospect outfielder with mad power, very young

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Accordin to minorleagueball.com he just cracks the top 20.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:07 PM
oly crap mike stanton is a beast 26 homeruns is either 19 or 20

holy crap im excited now

Prospects like Stanton might never pan out though. He has zero discipline and is a strikeout machine. Don't know his stats for the year but I bet he has had like 25 walks the entire year along with 125 K's.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:08 PM
Good. I don't want the Rays to get any better than they already are.

They could easily get Bay, IMO. The only 3 guys that I heard are untouchable are Price, Davis and Hellickson. They can easily make a package around Niemman, McGee and Breignac and easily get Bay.

pierce34celtic
07-30-2008, 07:10 PM
Stanton's stats:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Michael%20Stanton&pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519317

120ks in 360 ABs!

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:11 PM
he is only 18 but he is already showing tremendous power

920 ops is very good imo

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:12 PM
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Michael%20Stanton&pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519317

Theres his page. I'm not impressed.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:13 PM
Stanton's stats:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Michael%20Stanton&pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519317

120ks in 360 ABs!

I was close then. 120 K's and 33 BB's (I thought it'd be around 125 K's and 25 BB's) in 360 AB's. While he has shown power, no discipline and a .350 OBP are not good signs of a top prospect. He might never pan out. Like scouts say they'd rather see plate discipline over power first because usually power is the last aspect to develop.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:13 PM
I don't see us trading him for just prospects. Makes no sense for us. At least some of what we get will be traded for a good hitter

pierce34celtic
07-30-2008, 07:15 PM
It seems irrational to trade Manny to the Marlins, especially for prospects. Even if we flip the prospects for Bay, Manny's presence in our lineup cannot be replaced.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't see us trading him for just prospects. Makes no sense for us. At least some of what we get will be traded for a good hitter

The only way i see this happening is if we swing those for Holliday or bay.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:19 PM
According to baseball tonight, Manny told ESPN deportes (spelling) that "Boston doesn't deserve a player like me" or something. Just paraphrasing. That's pretty cold.

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 07:19 PM
It seems irrational to trade Manny to the Marlins, especially for prospects. Even if we flip the prospects for Bay, Manny's presence in our lineup cannot be replaced.

yeah but i'd rather have a guy that hustles and works is *** off every night.

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 07:20 PM
i thought stanton was a releiver

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:21 PM
According to baseball tonight, Manny told ESPN deportes (spelling) that "Boston doesn't deserve a player like me" or something. Just paraphrasing. That's pretty cold.

What a douche.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:21 PM
i thought stanton was a releiver

Mike Stanton was the lefty reliever that the Yanks had back in the dynasty days.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:21 PM
manny can go **** himself

JimmyMal450
07-30-2008, 07:21 PM
i thought stanton was a releiver

Thats the Mike Stanton that plays for Cinncinati.

This Mike Stanton is a minor league OF for the Marlins.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:21 PM
i thought stanton was a releiver

Mike Stanton-40 year old reliever-Reds
Mike Stanton-18 year old OF-Marlins

I got confused at first until i looked him up.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:22 PM
seriously i have reached my limit with him it was nice while we had him, but it is time for him to go

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:22 PM
i thought stanton was a releiver

That's the 40 year old who I think is no longer in the majors.

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 07:22 PM
According to baseball tonight, Manny told ESPN deportes (spelling) that "Boston doesn't deserve a player like me" or something. Just paraphrasing. That's pretty cold.
:laugh:

We've put up with his **** for almost 8 years, and the fans CONTINUE to root for him when he doesn't hustle down the line (Who saw him just dog it down 1st last night when he would have been safe if he put any hustle into it? I know Ortiz would have).

The guy is a space man.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Mannys in LF.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:24 PM
:laugh:

We've put up with his **** for almost 8 years, and the fans CONTINUE to root for him when he doesn't hustle down the line (Who saw him just dog it down 1st last night when he would have been safe if he put any hustle into it? I know Ortiz would have).

The guy is a space man.

A space that has killer numbers

asomen
07-30-2008, 07:26 PM
I would not be suprised if Manny gets pulled from the game during the game and is informed he is traded. And then he does to hug the sox players and everyone gives him the cold shoulder.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:31 PM
6:24pm: MLB.com's Joe Frisaro is hearing about a three-way deal that would also send Jason Bay to the Red Sox.

mlbtr

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:31 PM
there is word that a three year deal could send bay to the sox

according to mlbtr via mlb.com

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:32 PM
6:24pm: MLB.com's Joe Frisaro is hearing about a three-way deal that would also send Jason Bay to the Red Sox.

mlbtr

Would this be a red sox-Pirates-Marlins deal or a seperate deal?

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:33 PM
Haha, Peter Gammons just said Mike Stanton is a top 5 prospect in baseball :pity:.

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:33 PM
Would that mean we would get Stanton and Bay?

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
Haha, Peter Gammons just said Mike Stanton is a top 5 prospect in baseball :pity:.

Look at how pissed he's getting now :laugh:

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
who knows

but u guys are underrating stanton if we got him, 920 ops and is only 18

and haha gammons yelling at phillips

homie564
07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
espn just reported it could very likly be a 3 team swap with pittsburg to land jason bay in boston along with a few prospects

Lincecum4CY
07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
Jason Bay is the perfect person to replace Manny in Boston. If Theo can unload Manny and acquire Bay as well as Mike Stanton, he is a GENIUS IMO.

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 07:34 PM
in the marlins forum in the deadline thread they are talking about a huge three way deal
Boston gets
john grabow (releiver from pittsburgh)
hanley (yessssssss)

Pirates get:
lars anderson
justin miller (releiver from pirates)
a minor league pitcher from the sox

Marlins get:
jed lowrie
bowden/bucholz
brad lincoln (pirates third best prospect)
manny

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:35 PM
Would this be a red sox-Pirates-Marlins deal or a seperate deal?

Here's the link


A new wrinkle has been added to the Manny Ramirez to Marlins' scenario. A source told MLB.com that a three-way trade may be in the works.

Under this scenario, Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox.

The Marlins are not afraid to roll the dice and gamble. Team president David Samson, when asked on the team's flagship station, 790 The Ticket, was asked about the Manny Ramirez rumors.

"The Marlins always seem to be in the middle of everything," Samson said. "I don't know how we do that every deadline. We're spending all day trying to figure out a way where we can get better, to stay good, to try to figure out a way how we could win this thing. Everything is possible."

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/manny_in_threeway_deal_that_in.html

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:35 PM
Look at how pissed he's getting now :laugh:

I was cracking up the entire team. Him going at Steve Phillips, I hate both of them personally. Gammons need a chill pill.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:35 PM
in the marlins forum in the deadline thread they are talking about a huge three way deal
Boston gets
john grabow (releiver from pittsburgh)
hanley (yessssssss)

Pirates get:
lars anderson
justin miller (releiver from pirates)
a minor league pitcher from the sox

Marlins get:
jed lowrie
bowden/bucholz
brad lincoln (pirates third best prospect)
manny

Absolutly not. If its Bowden MAYBE. If it's clay, then i shoot that down in 2 seconds.

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:36 PM
in the marlins forum in the deadline thread they are talking about a huge three way deal
Boston gets
john grabow (releiver from pittsburgh)
hanley (yessssssss)

Pirates get:
lars anderson
justin miller (releiver from pirates)
a minor league pitcher from the sox

Marlins get:
jed lowrie
bowden/bucholz
brad lincoln (pirates third best prospect)
manny

I can almost guarantee that, that won't happen.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:36 PM
^^ thats fantasy land and buchholz anderson and manny for hanley is a tad much if u ask me

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:37 PM
who knows

but u guys are underrating stanton if we got him, 920 ops and is only 18

and haha gammons yelling at phillips

Stanton might be underrated but he isn't anywhere close to being a top 5 prospect, IMHO.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 07:37 PM
Here's the link



http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/manny_in_threeway_deal_that_in.html
Thanks, man. Thats very intersting. But if it's the deal just shown i would hate it.


I was cracking up the entire team. Him going at Steve Phillips, I hate both of them personally. Gammons need a chill pill.

:laugh: "IT'S EXTREMELY HARD TO MANAGE THIS GUY"

Dirty Dirk41
07-30-2008, 07:38 PM
in the marlins forum in the deadline thread they are talking about a huge three way deal
Boston gets
john grabow (releiver from pittsburgh)
hanley (yessssssss)

Pirates get:
lars anderson
justin miller (releiver from pirates)
a minor league pitcher from the sox

Marlins get:
jed lowrie
bowden/bucholz
brad lincoln (pirates third best prospect)
manny

id do it. Bucholz or Bowden it dont matter..we need to win now and this would help

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:38 PM
I wish I saw that. I am watching the game

ABTY7
07-30-2008, 07:39 PM
XM radio rumor:

BoSox get:
Jason Bay
Jack Wilson
Hector Correa

Pirates get:
Jeremy Hermida
Jed Lowrie
Hunter Jones
Jai Miller

Marlins get:
Manny Ramirez
John Grabow
6M in cash

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:41 PM
XM radio rumor:

BoSox get:
Jason Bay
Jack Wilson
Hector Correa

Pirates get:
Jeremy Hermida
Jed Lowrie
Hunter Jones
Jai Miller

Marlins get:
Manny Ramirez
John Grabow
6M in cash

Thats interesting. Sox get a decent haul. Bat is a bit inconsistent but outside of Holliday is the best fit to replace Manny in LF in terms of all the OF'ers on the market.

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 07:41 PM
in the marlins forum in the deadline thread they are talking about a huge three way deal
Boston gets
john grabow (releiver from pittsburgh)
hanley (yessssssss)

Pirates get:
lars anderson
justin miller (releiver from pirates)
a minor league pitcher from the sox

Marlins get:
jed lowrie
bowden/bucholz
brad lincoln (pirates third best prospect)
manny

i asked them if they would rather get bard and they agreed. now i would take that trade

homie564
07-30-2008, 07:43 PM
does that mean that the pirates officially contacted about a three teamer??

Sportfan
07-30-2008, 07:44 PM
XM radio rumor:

BoSox get:
Jason Bay
Jack Wilson
Hector Correa

Pirates get:
Jeremy Hermida
Jed Lowrie
Hunter Jones
Jai Miller

Marlins get:
Manny Ramirez
John Grabow
6M in cash

what positon does correa play and is he any good.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Stanton might be underrated but he isn't anywhere close to being a top 5 prospect, IMHO.

wtf i never said that

ABTY7
07-30-2008, 07:45 PM
does that mean that the pirates officially contacted about a three teamer??

Who knows really- just whats being reported- could all be bunk, although that deal seems to make a great deal of sense for everyone involved...

nyyfan4life
07-30-2008, 07:46 PM
wtf i never said that

Peter Gammons did. My response was towards him more than you but interms of what I know Stanton seems like a boom or bust type of prospect.

ABTY7
07-30-2008, 07:47 PM
what positon does correa play and is he any good.

Marlins B level pitching prospect- wouldn't/won't help this year...

JacobyIsMyHomie
07-30-2008, 07:49 PM
I really like the middle infield of Pedroia and Lowrie and Lowrie can hit as he has shown since Lugo has been on the DL so I would like to keep Lowrie.

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:49 PM
Peter Gammons did. My response was towards him more than you but interms of what I know Stanton seems like a boom or bust type of prospect.

gammons is a reporter that automatically means his thoughts are stupid thats why his job is to just report what he heres

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 07:56 PM
Posted by Jayson Stark
Officials from teams around the sport are now beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3511823&name=mlb_trade_deadline

redsox are seeking hermida/willingham, P Ryan Tucker, and OF Michael Stanton

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-30-2008, 07:57 PM
Is Ryan Tucker anything special?

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 07:57 PM
dam u lavigne, dam u

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 08:00 PM
ryan tucker BA rated number 3 marlin prospect

dominating this year in AA only 21

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Ryan%20Tucker&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457761

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:01 PM
new wrinkle has been added to the Manny Ramirez to Marlins' scenario. A source told MLB.com that a three-way trade may be in the works.

Under this scenario, Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox.

The Marlins are not afraid to roll the dice and gamble. Team president David Samson, when asked on the team's flagship station, 790 The Ticket, was asked about the Manny Ramirez rumors.

"The Marlins always seem to be in the middle of everything," Samson said. "I don't know how we do that every deadline. We're spending all day trying to figure out a way where we can get better, to stay good, to try to figure out a way how we could win this thing. Everything is possible."
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Baseball Perspectus:
Multiple baseball sources say the Red Sox are on the verge of sending disgrunted left fielder Manny Ramirez to the Marlins in a trade for a package of three players that included low Class A Greensboro outfielder Mike Stanton, an 18-year-old who is hitting .275/.351/.569 with 26 home runs in 96 games.



YOU GET MIKE STANTON NOW GOD DAMN IT!!!

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papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 08:01 PM
tucker, stanton, and hermida would be a very impressive haul for manny at this point

boodgyman5220
07-30-2008, 08:01 PM
what if we did a trade that got us both bay and hanley??!?i mean yea we would have to give up a few more prospects to make it work but they are both pretty young and could be resigned. We wouldnt be giving up too much of the future because of this. Maybe some kind of deal where we include Manny, Lowrie, Bard, and bowden where florida gets manny , lowrie, and bard and pittsburgh gets bowden and a prospect or two from florida. I would die!

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 08:02 PM
what if we did a trade that got us both bay and hanley??!?i mean yea we would have to give up a few more prospects to make it work but they are both pretty young and could be resigned. We wouldnt be giving up too much of the future because of this. Maybe some kind of deal where we include Manny, Lowrie, Bard, and bowden where florida gets manny , lowrie, and bard and pittsburgh gets bowden and a prospect or two from florida. I would die!

You would die because that would never happen

Celts22
07-30-2008, 08:03 PM
Here's that espndeportes.com interview :pity:


"They haven't asked me for anything," Ramirez said told ESPNdeportes.com's Enrique Rojas on the phone from Fenway Park before the Red Sox-Angels matchup on Wednesday night.

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.

"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy," Ramirez added. "I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don't have peace here."

BosoxPapi61
07-30-2008, 08:03 PM
I'm getta little annoyed of all this Hanley stuff. The only big name player we may get is Bay

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 08:03 PM
^^ na our farm would be dead

i dont mind digging into the farm a bit but i dont want to kill it

Wake's Fastball
07-30-2008, 08:04 PM
gammons is a reporter that automatically means his thoughts are stupid thats why his job is to just report what he heres

Gammons is much, much better than most though.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:04 PM
Who was against Nomar and Pedro? I know i wasn't...

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-30-2008, 08:04 PM
ryan tucker BA rated number 3 marlin prospect

dominating this year in AA only 21

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Ryan%20Tucker&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457761

Bleh, seems like a good spec. but I'd much rather a good hitter than a pitcher at this point..

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm so sick of this mother ****er GET HIM OUT OF BOSTON NOW! I don't care if this season is toast cause of it. I don't give a ****. I'm done with you Manny you're a ******* who think he's gonna get 4 years 100 million dollars and you won't! Your not hitting 40 HR anymore, your a complete mess in the field and I'm done! Get the prospects we can for him, and pay his whole ****ing salary for the marlins GET THIS ******* OUT!

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:07 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29154

:pity:... why do we want a guy called up from triple A then sent down to double A :pity:

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 08:08 PM
God, I can't wait until tomorrow.

The Deadline sucks so bad.

jetsfan28
07-30-2008, 08:08 PM
Sources told Baseball Prospectus' John Perrotto that Manny Ramirez is on the verge of being traded to the Marlins for three players.
Perrotto says one of them is top outfield prospect Mike Stanton. Baseball Prospectus isn't the best source for breaking news, but Perrotto is a veteran reporter for the Beaver County Times and is pretty trustworthy. Still, it's worth noting that Ramirez is still in the game for the Red Sox.

Roto

papipapsmanny
07-30-2008, 08:08 PM
^^ he was called up from AA

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:11 PM
yeah i just saw that my bad.. kinda hard to go from AA straigt to the majors unless ur josh hamilton who is like a god in baseball lol

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:12 PM
Didn't Masterson go from AA to Boston?

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:17 PM
nahh he was in triple a for a bit

sboyajian
07-30-2008, 08:17 PM
mlb trade rumors site has come to a screeching halt.. haha..

captaintek33
07-30-2008, 08:19 PM
Those of you who have been on PSD for awhile will understand when I say:


:whistle:

:silly: I told you so!!!

:bow:

I wanted this lazy, self centered P.O.S. out of town 3 years ago......

If/when this deal goes down, I will be dancing in the streets!! :dance:

Bye, Manny! Please let the door hit you real hard in the *** on the way out!

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:20 PM
What if it doesn't go down?

captaintek33
07-30-2008, 08:20 PM
Didn't Masterson go from AA to Boston?

Yeah, he went from AA to MLB for one or two starts and then was sent to AAA...

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:20 PM
you know what i ****ing done with manny i was kinda sad to see the guy go but if anyone just saw the bar on ESPN manny said boston doesnt deserve him!!!!!!!!!!! get his fat *** the **** outta here *****!

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 08:21 PM
nahh he was in triple a for a bit
No, he went AA -> MLB -> AAA -> MLB this saeson.

gcoll
07-30-2008, 08:22 PM
Well. This sucks.

About to get swept by the Angels, and at the deadline we decide to downgrade our team for the stretch run. Genius.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:22 PM
If Mike Stanton is in this deal, please do it.

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:23 PM
No, he went AA -> MLB -> AAA -> MLB this saeson.

I thought so, but i wasn't sure. He doesn't have many innings in AAA. Maybe 10 tops.

captaintek33
07-30-2008, 08:23 PM
What if it doesn't go down?

Then, I'll go back to basically ignoring him and living in denial...

Either way, he'll most likely be gone after the season. With the players they could sign by not paying him and the two 1st round DPs they'd get as compensation, I believe that they are guaranteed to get a solid return for him either way.....

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 08:23 PM
Well. This sucks.

About to get swept by the Angels, and at the deadline we decide to downgrade our team for the stretch run. Genius.
How could you advocate keeping a guy that WANTS out of this town? A guy who continues to make comments about wanting to leave, and a guy who even just LAST night didn't feel the need to hustle down the line during a no hitter?

Come on, you're smarter than that.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:24 PM
Well. This sucks.

About to get swept by the Angels, and at the deadline we decide to downgrade our team for the stretch run. Genius.

Like I said before, this will kill our season. But, I don't give a **** it betters us in the long run. I done with this ******** were gonna get swept with him on the team so **** it, get rid of this douche bag.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-30-2008, 08:24 PM
If Mike Stanton is in this deal, please do it.

Nice sig. :laugh:

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:24 PM
Well. This sucks.

About to get swept by the Angels, and at the deadline we decide to downgrade our team for the stretch run. Genius.

What do you suppose we do? Were set at pretty much every position and adding 1 BP arm wouldn't make us a substantially better team.

gcoll
07-30-2008, 08:25 PM
Come on, you're smarter than that.
I assure you I'm not.

This makes the Red Sox a worse team on the field.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:25 PM
This guy is such a douche that if we don't trade him pick up his option next year JUST TO TRADE HIM! Whatever it take for this guy to be even more upset.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:26 PM
I assure you I'm not.

This makes the Red Sox a worse team on the field.

So what do you suggest we do? Keep him add a BP arm? Thats not gonna stop us from being swept by the Angels right now.

Dirty Dirk41
07-30-2008, 08:26 PM
Manny will leave this team after the season ends. Why not trade and get SOMETHING for him. BAY isnt a future Hall of Famer. But he can provide us with good hitting and MUCH better defense. he has 6 less RBI's than manny and more homers. Bay would look nice in a Sox uni

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 08:27 PM
I assure you I'm not.

This makes the Red Sox a worse team on the field.
You're absolutely correct. For 2008, it makes us not as dangerous.

And when Ramirez walks after 2008, what do we do? We're left with a major hole to try and fill. How exactly do we fill it? Spend a crapload of prospects on Matt Holliday?

Fact is, Bay is not better than Manny Ramirez. But Bay is here for 2009. He is better than whatever few options we'll have for the 2009 LFer if Ramirez stays on this team the rest of the way through.

It's hurting us for the rest of 2008 (Though, with Bay, we still contend), but it's helping our 2009 situation out a heck of a lot.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:27 PM
UPDATE:

Details of possible Manny deal
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 | Print Entry
Posted by Jayson Stark

Officials from teams around the sport are beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida.



GET IT DONE!

captaintek33
07-30-2008, 08:27 PM
Like I said before, this will kill our season. But, I don't give a **** it betters us in the long run. I done with this ******** were gonna get swept with him on the team so **** it, get rid of this douche bag.

Theo will not throw away this season. If he can not make a deal that makes sense for this year AND the beyond, he won't make a deal...

He's proven that over the years. He's going after Bay. If Bay replaces Manny, we don't lose much this year.....If he can't get a Bay/Burrell/Holliday type bat, my guess is he pulls out of the deal.

In Theo I trust. He will not piss away this season to appease an idiot outfielder.....

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:28 PM
I assure you I'm not.

This makes the Red Sox a worse team on the field.

But a MUCH better team in the clubhouse.

Tragedy
07-30-2008, 08:28 PM
UPDATE:

7:23pm: Jayson Stark says the Red Sox are trying to get Stanton, Ryan Tucker, and one of Willingham/Hermida for Ramirez.
I don't want Willingham. Hermida is about 5 years younger. The upside/potential is on his side. This is the guy we should be looking at if not Bay.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:30 PM
Here is prospect rating on Tucker

Ryan Tucker – SP – Florida Marlins – 20 (A+)
Level(s) IP ERA H BB HR K
A- 131.1 5.00 123 67 14 133
On the minor leagues' most interesting pitching staff, it appeared for much of the 2006 season that Ryan Tucker was the odd man out. The last of the four prep prospects drafted, Tucker also was the least successful in Greensboro. Tucker was among the players on this list I saw personally in 2006, and of the three, he grades out the best. Probably not a smudge above six-feet, Tucker has a big build and uses his thick legs to generate plus velocity on his fastball, a la Bartolo Colon.

While his fastball was usually enough in high school, the Marlins worked hard with Tucker all season on developing his slider, cutter and change. Early reports were Tucker's development was slow, leading to his 6.61 ERA in the first three months. However, around the time of July, Tucker began to improve the control of his fastball while tightening up his slider. On July 6, when I was in attendance, Tucker was showing a tight, low-80s slider with enough depth. At the very least, the combination of his fastball and improving slider could leave him as a good reliever, perhaps profiling as the Marlins closer of the future.

But, it's certainly not time to close the door on Tucker's career in the rotation. In his last 11 starts, Tucker blossomed with a 2.96 ERA, a much reduced walk rate, and just one wild pitch (compared to 10 the first three months). Tucker's control, like his secondary stuff, has been a work in progress since the day he signed with the Marlins. However, Tucker's second half—as well as the progress he made with his slider—leaves me to believe he could be the best of Florida’s four prep pitchers in just one year.

gcoll
07-30-2008, 08:31 PM
So what do you suggest we do? Keep him add a BP arm? Thats not gonna stop us from being swept by the Angels right now.
I don't have any ideas on what to do.

I just know that with Manny Ramirez gone, we are a worse team, and I dislike that.


And when Ramirez walks after 2008, what do we do? We're left with a major hole to try and fill. How exactly do we fill it? Spend a crapload of prospects on Matt Holliday?
No. We fill it with the greatest player on Earth aka some bum from Florida.


But a MUCH better team in the clubhouse.
Well, we won 2 world series titles with that "clubhouse cancer" Manny.


He's proven that over the years. He's going after Bay. If Bay replaces Manny, we don't lose much this year.....If he can't get a Bay/Burrell/Holliday type bat, my guess is he pulls out of the deal.
Remove Burrell from that list, and I'd be fine.

If we get Bay or Holliday I'll be less upset.

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:32 PM
i love ur sig towelie... dude even the remdawg is sick of manny!!!!

Celts22
07-30-2008, 08:34 PM
So much for Mannys dream of having his number out in RF...

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:34 PM
I don't have any ideas on what to do.

I just know that with Manny Ramirez gone, we are a worse team, and I dislike that.


No. We fill it with the greatest player on Earth aka some bum from Florida.


Well, we won 2 world series titles with that "clubhouse cancer" Manny.


Remove Burrell from that list, and I'd be fine.

If we get Bay or Holliday I'll be less upset.


oh yeah and u want manny who basically called boston a P.O.S and said we dont deserve a player like him... YEAH OKAY!!!!!! :bs: get outta here u ****** little prick (meaning manny not u lol)

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 08:34 PM
Towelie = Genius Sig

Bay = Me happy

Hermida = Semi happy

Manny Not in Boston = Very happy

sboyajian
07-30-2008, 08:35 PM
Here is prospect rating on Tucker

Ryan Tucker – SP – Florida Marlins – 20 (A+)
Level(s) IP ERA H BB HR K
A- 131.1 5.00 123 67 14 133
On the minor leagues' most interesting pitching staff, it appeared for much of the 2006 season that Ryan Tucker was the odd man out. The last of the four prep prospects drafted, Tucker also was the least successful in Greensboro. Tucker was among the players on this list I saw personally in 2006, and of the three, he grades out the best. Probably not a smudge above six-feet, Tucker has a big build and uses his thick legs to generate plus velocity on his fastball, a la Bartolo Colon.

While his fastball was usually enough in high school, the Marlins worked hard with Tucker all season on developing his slider, cutter and change. Early reports were Tucker's development was slow, leading to his 6.61 ERA in the first three months. However, around the time of July, Tucker began to improve the control of his fastball while tightening up his slider. On July 6, when I was in attendance, Tucker was showing a tight, low-80s slider with enough depth. At the very least, the combination of his fastball and improving slider could leave him as a good reliever, perhaps profiling as the Marlins closer of the future.

But, it's certainly not time to close the door on Tucker's career in the rotation. In his last 11 starts, Tucker blossomed with a 2.96 ERA, a much reduced walk rate, and just one wild pitch (compared to 10 the first three months). Tucker's control, like his secondary stuff, has been a work in progress since the day he signed with the Marlins. However, Tucker's second half—as well as the progress he made with his slider—leaves me to believe he could be the best of Florida’s four prep pitchers in just one year.
that's a decent sign..

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 08:36 PM
I would be pissed if we just got Hermida and did not get Bay

americaspasttim
07-30-2008, 08:37 PM
I don't want Willingham. Hermida is about 5 years younger. The upside/potential is on his side. This is the guy we should be looking at if not Bay.

I agree. Hermida though is struggling a bit this year compared to last. He has nearly as many strikeouts as he did all of last year, and his OPS is 100 points lower. Hermida would likely be able to bat no higher then 7th. IMO If we're trading Manny we need to get a clean-up capable player in return, and Hermida is not that guy...

homie564
07-30-2008, 08:37 PM
Towelie = Genius Sig

Bay = Me happy

Hermida = Semi happy

Manny Not in Boston = Very happy

ill be happy with hermida but im more excited to see what stanton can do in a few years

goldglove212
07-30-2008, 08:39 PM
i do nottttt want hermidea id prefer bay i know hermidea's a young guy but i just dont see him becomg a big time player and bay is already proven not as a superstar but a stable power bat in a lineup

fishfan79
07-30-2008, 08:40 PM
that's a decent sign..

not sure if he is the pitcher going back but he is a solid young pitcher. He has the highest ability out of our arms, I see him as either a potential closer to a number 2 type pitcher perhaps someday.

I rather see willingham in the deal to you all then hermida (hermida is A RF and well I dont see manny in RF lol)


I guess this shall be interesting to see.

In my eyes it will be a deal of young player 2 prospects for 2 first rounders and a rental for a time

BostonFan 53
07-30-2008, 08:41 PM
I would be pissed if we just got Hermida and did not get Bay

Agreed. I think we need someone who is remotley close to Manny in terms of talent and production.

redsox12
07-30-2008, 08:41 PM
Manny Ramirez had another phone conversation with Enrique Rojas, a reporter for ESPNDeportes, and took more shots at the Sox in an apparent effort to force a trade.
"They haven't asked me for anything," Ramirez was quoted as saying in response to whether the Sox had asked his permission to trade him.

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.

"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don't have peace here."

The Sox brass, including ownership, met today to discuss a possible Manny deal. Coming out of that meeting, the belief was that there was only a slim chance of something happening, but they are still talking to clubs, especially the Marlins, so stay tuned

boston.com

wow I can't believe it, we are actually trading him Good Bye Manny

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:42 PM
Towelie Has called a press conference, to address the PSD forums.


(*Towelie Sits down*)

Member of the PSD forums, I realize that you guys have been in a need for a New **** list. I felt at the time one couldn't be completed that would satisfy the needs and demand of the PSD forum. However that has changed today with the disrespect to our beloved Boston Red Sox, and the state of Massachusetts. Over the past coming week, I haven't been as vocal as I should of with the DOUCHE BAG known as Manny Ramirez. However today I have taken a stand. I ask my fellow PSD member to down the same signature as me for 24 hours and join me in a revolution AGAINST MANNY RAMIREZ! Please take a STAND!

Below is the code!!!! Just take all the * out of it.

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[COLo*R="Navy"][*b]Towelie's Trade Deadline **** List[/b][/COLOR]
[COLo*R="Red"][*b][*u][*i]Get this Douche out of Boston![/b][/u][/i][/COLOR]

-Lavigne43-
07-30-2008, 08:44 PM
haha

BTownTeamsRKing
07-30-2008, 08:44 PM
this sucks, but we need to trade him NOW.

for anything. this season is going down fast so make a deal already.

Brooke
07-30-2008, 08:45 PM
he needs to go. I have had enough, this is hurting the team

khsox2000
07-30-2008, 08:47 PM
With the AA Carolina Mudcats this season, Ryan tucker's stats:

Team W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG
CAR 4 2 1.38 13 12 0 0 72.0 51 12 11 2 28 62 .194

in his last 10 starts, he's 3-1 with a 1.29 era in 56 innings and 37 hits, 8 ER, 23 walks and 50 SO

goldglove212
07-30-2008, 08:48 PM
ive always loved manny but enough is enough..

redsox12
07-30-2008, 08:48 PM
If we trade Manny we might have to settle for the WC but I think we are still ok if we can somehow get Bay or even Holliday

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:49 PM
7:33pm: Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe characterizes it as "strong interest" from the Marlins but not a done deal. Jon Heyman also has the Fish in the lead. Will Carroll has some kind of Bay/Marlins multiteam deal in the final stages. Jim Molony says the talks are real but a Manny to Florida deal is unlikely. Meanwhile, Manny keeps talking his way out of Boston.

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 08:49 PM
Towelie Has called a press conference, to address the PSD forums.


(*Towelie Sits down*)

Member of the PSD forums, I realize that you guys have been in a need for a New **** list. I felt at the time one couldn't be completed that would satisfy the needs and demand of the PSD forum. However that has changed today with the disrespect to our beloved Boston Red Sox, and the state of Massachusetts. Over the past coming week, I haven't been as vocal as I should of with the DOUCHE BAG known as Manny Ramirez. However today I have taken a stand. I ask my fellow PSD member to down the same signature as me for 24 hours and join me in a revolution AGAINST MANNY RAMIREZ! Please take a STAND!

Below is the code!!!! Just take all the * out of it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_120903.jpg[*IMG]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_120903.jpg[/IMG][*IMG]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_120903.jpg[/IMG][*IMG]http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_120903.jpg[/IMG]

[COLo*R="Navy"][*b]Towelie's Trade Deadline **** List[/b][/COLOR]
[COLo*R="Red"][*b][*u][*i]Get this Douche out of Boston![/b][/u][/i][/COLOR]

Wooh! I got the sig!!!!!

:D

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:50 PM
I want him out so bad right now.

Celts22
07-30-2008, 08:50 PM
United We Stand
:flag::guns:

redsox12
07-30-2008, 08:51 PM
7:46pm: Rosenthal talked to a Marlins official who said there's "no way" Stanton is in the deal. The Fish might want young players back if they're giving up prospects.

MLBTR

BTownTeamsRKing
07-30-2008, 08:51 PM
ok i get u guys r mad at him, but dont forget this guy was great for us the past 7 years.

he was really something special to watch and i hate to see things end like this.

so from Red Sox Nation to Manny Ramirez; Thanks for everything, but your time here is up. The 2 Championships were unforgetable. Its time to move on and see if any other city will deal with 25% of the stupid things u do.

i do wish he would shut his mouth through all this, but things are gonna be said in times like this that really arent meant. we seen nomar and pedro go and it sucked but its for the better. i like this management, they remind me of the Patriots. they dont let feelings block logic. all that matters is winning.

reguardless, we have ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP to win, so pce out bro.

redsox12
07-30-2008, 08:52 PM
I think the quote about us not deserving him was the last straw for us and hopefully Theo. I just would love to see Manny's face if we win it all again this year without him.

khsox2000
07-30-2008, 08:53 PM
7:46pm: Rosenthal talked to a Marlins official who said there's "no way" Stanton is in the deal. The Fish might want young players back if they're giving up prospects.

MLBTR.com

Dirty Dirk41
07-30-2008, 08:53 PM
All these talks are giving me a headache. i want some resolution dammit. MAKE A TRADE. Beckett falling apart in the 6th.Lookin like a sweep for the Angels. Yanks traded Hawkins to the Astros for a young prospect. SOX NEED TO DO SOMETHING.MANNY OR NOT WE NEED TO MAKE MOVES. This team as it is will not get the job done

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:53 PM
He's pissed me off to the point where those years don't make any difference.

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:54 PM
More People Get My Sig!!!

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 08:55 PM
7:46pm: Rosenthal talked to a Marlins official who said there's "no way" Stanton is in the deal. The Fish might want young players back if they're giving up prospects.

MLBTR.com

:mad:

I really like Stanton.

Hopefully this means the Bay deal is more likely.

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 08:55 PM
United We Stand
:flag::guns:

:cheers:

goldglove212
07-30-2008, 08:55 PM
:mad:

I really like Stanton.

Hopefully this means the Bay deal is more likely.

dontttttt wnat the deal without stanton not at all

Towelie
07-30-2008, 08:56 PM
:laugh: The sig is funny but hard to find where I last posted!

BTownTeamsRKing
07-30-2008, 08:56 PM
He's pissed me off to the point where those years don't make any difference.

see thats being short cited.

u cant tell me dont appreciate all the great plays and HRs he gave us.

i know hes been running his mouth badly lately, and i want him gone ASAP, but dont tell me u dont appreciate the good times.

the season if falling apart before our eyes. GET RID OF HIM NOW!

TDbank24
07-30-2008, 08:57 PM
Yea, get Manny out of town. I'll take a bargain basement deal right now. This is clearly bringing the team down. We need some new energy

Dirty Dirk41
07-30-2008, 08:57 PM
Forget Stanton... yeah hes a good PROSPECT but he hasnt proven JACK SQUAT at the MLB level. Jason Bay has an has produced excellent numbers. We need to get this guy on our squad and FAST

americaspasttim
07-30-2008, 08:58 PM
ok i get u guys r mad at him, but dont forget this guy was great for us the past 7 years.

he was really something special to watch and i hate to see things end like this.

so from Red Sox Nation to Manny Ramirez; Thanks for everything, but your time here is up. The 2 Championships were unforgetable. Its time to move on and see if any other city will deal with 25% of the stupid things u do.

i do wish he would shut his mouth through all this, but things are gonna be said in times like this that really arent meant. we seen nomar and pedro go and it sucked but its for the better. i like this management, they remind me of the Patriots. they dont let feelings block logic. all that matters is winning.

reguardless, we have ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP to win, so pce out bro.

+1, We can't forget everything that he has done for the Sox. His comments about the Sox not deserving him are not directed at fans but at the management. Manny was one of the greatest hitters of his era and it was a privilege to have him play for us...

yaowowrocket11
07-30-2008, 08:59 PM
:laugh: The sig is funny but hard to find where I last posted!

I am also having difficulty trying to find my last post too! Screw it! Its worth having Manny gone!!!

:pray: