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yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 05:44 PM
Kotchman for Teixeira in works

Tuesday, July 29, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Jayson Stark
Angels first baseman Casey Kotchman was pulled off the field during pregame warmups this afternoon at Fenway Park. And there are strong indications he is about to be traded to the Braves for Mark Teixeira, according to a source with knowledge of those discussions. Details are still being finalized, and additional, lesser names are expected to be involved. But Kotchman for Teixeira is the core of this deal.

update:


The latest: A second source with knowledge of these discussions says the Braves will get Kotchman, plus a second lesser name, for Teixeira in a 2-for-1 deal.

- ESPN - (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline)

Not sure if I should have made my own thread, but just merge it with the Tex deal. I thought that this was its own thread worthy.

lincecum=future
07-29-2008, 05:45 PM
Wow. This might be legit.

pad1
07-29-2008, 05:46 PM
wow

The Angels will be unstoppable.

Halladay
07-29-2008, 05:46 PM
That would be a pretty good move for the Braves. As long as Tex doesn't end up in the AL East.

Cronin
07-29-2008, 05:46 PM
Maybe he just wanted to change his jock? I hope so.

FriarFanatic
07-29-2008, 05:47 PM
the angels will be unbelievable if this goes down

Highcheese4U
07-29-2008, 05:49 PM
Well I would rather him go to the Anaheim than Boston.. i'll take the lesser of two evils right now.

Shawh
07-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Wow, that'd be huge for Anaheim.

kv9588
07-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Ya it will help the Angels now but we're losing our future at 1b unless we can get a longterm deal out of tex. I wish they would've been able to package kendry, rivera and gmj instead.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 05:52 PM
i dont know if i like this we better extend him

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 05:52 PM
:speechless:

At the VERY least, could they finalize the deal AFTER the Red Sox play the Angels, please?

yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 05:52 PM
Of course, if it gets finalized tonight, we will see Tex taunting the Sox in Wednesday Night's game in that stupid Angels uniform!

:mad:

yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 05:53 PM
:speechless:

At the VERY least, could they finalize the deal AFTER the Red Sox play the Angels, please?

Beat me to it! :laugh2:

natepro
07-29-2008, 05:54 PM
Huh. Not sure how I feel about this.

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 05:54 PM
4:50pm: Jayson Stark has the scoop - Mark Teixeira is headed to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and another player. MLB.com's Lyle Spencer says the second player is pitching prospect Stephen Marek.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

EDIT: ESPN also reporting this.

lincecum=future
07-29-2008, 05:56 PM
WOW! Huge move.

Cronin
07-29-2008, 05:56 PM
****!

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Just when i thought a big move wasn't going to happen before the deadline (All the big ones already happened) this happens.

The Angels become a much, much better team.

Shawh
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Wow, I thought they wanted a SP too? I guess that could be the second name?

FriarFanatic
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
holy shittt

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
My God..

:sigh:

Sick Of It All
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
Thank God.

CubsGirl
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
That's a TERRIFYING lineup

sportwiz628
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
jeez hope they dont extend him :)

natepro
07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Wow.


So, comparing their stats, Tex is far more of a consistently high OBP guy. This could be a huge trade for them, unless they sign him long term.

yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
:guns: Angels

Joba Rules!!
07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Ugh, they're going to NY next series. **** the Halos

Driven
07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Bad trade for LA, IMO. Kotchman for likely a couple months rental? No thanks.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Its a done deal. Mixed feelings from me.

giventofly
07-29-2008, 06:00 PM
For Kotchman and Marek?

I mean....Marek is pretty dang good....and Kotchman is pretty decent....but I dunno.

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:00 PM
That is, unless they DON'T sign him long term.

RedSoxhater
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
Huh. Not sure how I feel about this.

Well, he will definitely help you guys short term. Being a Boras client he will most likely test free agency so you guys may very well be looking at a rental.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
For Kotchman and Marek?

I mean....Marek is pretty dang good....and Kotchman is pretty decent....but I dunno.
Don't like it for the Angels.

Why not trade for a guy like Huff, who is cheaper and has another year on his contract?

FriarFanatic
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
i think its an amazing deal for the angels. their lineup is unstoppable now

KH12
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
I LOVE huge trades like this. Keep them coming!

Highcheese4U
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
Okay so its the Angels who win the Texiera sweepstakes for now...

Remember, if they don't get to resign him at seasons end it means NOTHING + they will have lost one (or two) good players they have had until now..

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:01 PM
It is a good pickup.. but no one should go crazy over it, claiming they are going to win it all.. We did that with the Tigers.

Props to the Angels Org. though.

Sick Of It All
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
I love this deal for the Halos. They also have the money to extend him. He may also end up loving playing in LA.

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Bad trade for LA, IMO. Kotchman for likely a couple months rental? No thanks.
If they can re-sign Tex, I don't believe it's a bad trade.

Since I don't believe they'll be able to afford him, I think it probably isn't the greatest thing in the world. They're clearly trying to win this year, though.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Don't like it for the Angels.

Why not trade for a guy like Huff, who is cheaper and has another year on his contract?
The scariest part of all is that if Tex goes on a tear, his value is going to skyrocket.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
We better extend him. If we dont, stupid move by Reagins.

JOE WE WANT 27
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
its official espn has confimed it

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Okay so its the Angels who win the Texiera sweepstakes for now...

Remember, if they don't get to resign him at seasons end it means NOTHING + they will have lost one (or two) good players they have had until now..
Even if Tex walks, though, the Angels still get his two draft picks.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
If they can re-sign Tex, I don't believe it's a bad trade.

Since I don't believe they'll be able to afford him, I think it probably isn't the greatest thing in the world. They're clearly trying to win this year, though.
Yeah, I don't think they'll sign him.

northsider
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
Wow Angels just got stronger Tex will def. bolster that lineup with some much needed power.

-Lavigne43-
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
And ESPN is talking about ****ing Brett Favre

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
I think the whole Boras part of it is way overhyped, and I don't really believe the Angels would make a trade like this and then not do their best to sign him long term. It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise. And it's not like we're talking about the Marlins or something here.

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 06:03 PM
And ESPN is talking about ****ing Brett Favre
:pity:

I am so sick and tired of that damn subject. No one cares anymore.

SportsFan1988
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Good deal for the Angels. This just might put them atop the AL.

yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
:pity:

I am so sick and tired of that damn subject. No one cares anymore.

Normally I would feel the same way, but since the Jets are in the running, I am interested.

WhyDuquette
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
i like how all non angles fans like it for the angles

and the angles dont..

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
I think the whole Boras part of it is way overhyped, and I don't really believe the Angels would make a trade like this and then not do their best to sign him long term. It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise. And it's not like we're talking about the Marlins or something here.
I don't know why Boras wouldn't wait until the offseason and get offers from other teams, especially if Tex goes on a tear.

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:05 PM
:pity:

I am so sick and tired of that damn subject. No one cares anymore.

Wait..

What about Brett Favre? :rolleyes:

SportsFan1988
07-29-2008, 06:05 PM
And ESPN is talking about ****ing Brett Favre

Yeah I know, absolutely ridiculous!

michaelb2254
07-29-2008, 06:05 PM
I hope its Adenhart too

phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 06:05 PM
official website:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3510042

wow. this might get the angels over the top

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:06 PM
Yeah, I don't think they'll sign him.

Why? This isn't a small market team we're talking about here. I see no reason why they couldn't, and wouldn't, resign him. Especially if they're not going to resign K-Rod.

jetsfan28
07-29-2008, 06:06 PM
HUGE pickup

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:06 PM
Why? This isn't a small market team we're talking about here. I see no reason why they couldn't, and wouldn't, resign him. Especially if they're not going to resign K-Rod.
Do you realize how much Tex is going to get on the open market? Bora's gonna test it out and get huge offers, likely from both the Yanks and O's. If he goes on a tear, they won't resign him.

THS_Yankee3
07-29-2008, 06:07 PM
Wtf!

CubsGirl
07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
And ESPN is talking about ****ing Brett Favre
Dont you know there are more important things than breaking news?

x_notorious
07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
Nice deal for both sides. It would be even better if the Angels can extend Tex to a long term deal.

THS_Yankee3
07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
aLREADY domintating with out a monster bat but now TEX! good gawd!!!!!!!!!!!

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
I don't know why Boras wouldn't wait until the offseason and get offers from other teams, especially if Tex goes on a tear.

Because the Angels have the money to resign him? Not every Boras client goes to free agency.

Halladay
07-29-2008, 06:08 PM
I think the whole Boras part of it is way overhyped, and I don't really believe the Angels would make a trade like this and then not do their best to sign him long term. It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise. And it's not like we're talking about the Marlins or something here.

Thats wishful thinking IMO. Tex is going to test the market especially with Boras as his agent, it doesn't matter how much the Angels were to offer him right now, it's pretty much a guarantee he goes to the open market and takes the biggest offer. He's a Boras client, this is how they work.

papipapsmanny
07-29-2008, 06:09 PM
wow thats all it took to get texeria

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Do you realize how much Tex is going to get on the open market? Bora's gonna test it out and get huge offers, likely from both the Yanks and O's. If he goes on a tear, they won't resign him.

Explain to me why the Yankees and O's can pay him but the Angels can't.

yaowowrocket11
07-29-2008, 06:10 PM
Teixeira is going to get a monster contract. I am not so sure that the Angels could pay that.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:10 PM
wow thats all it took to get texeria
It's not like they gave up nothing.

papipapsmanny
07-29-2008, 06:10 PM
holy crap look how many people are viewing this

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:10 PM
Explain to me why the Yankees and O's can pay him but the Angels can't.

I'm just thinking they might be more willing to pay him more.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:11 PM
Explain to me why the Yankees and O's can pay him but the Angels can't.

lol, well, the Yankees are one story. Obviously they can afford anyone they want.

The O's on the other hand have some extra cash, and they'd probably be more willing to shell out the money for him. Tex is Angelos' guy. Angelos will do anything to get him, IMO.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:11 PM
If Tex goes on a tear, he's going to get $20+ million.

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:13 PM
Thats wishful thinking IMO. Tex is going to test the market especially with Boras as his agent, it doesn't matter how much the Angels were to offer him right now, it's pretty much a guarantee he goes to the open market and takes the biggest offer. He's a Boras client, this is how they work.

Simply because Boras is his client? I don't buy it. Not all of his clients go to free agency.

bosox3431
07-29-2008, 06:13 PM
It is a good pickup.. but no one should go crazy over it, claiming they are going to win it all.. We did that with the Tigers.

Props to the Angels Org. though.

yea but the Angels have good pitching too, something the Tigers lack

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:14 PM
yea but the Angels have good pitching too, something the Tigers lack

The Tigers offense was supposed to make up for that.. The Angels don't have an unreal lineup like that was supposed to be.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 06:14 PM
Clear sign we're not going after K-Rod again in the off-season anymore, money will go towards Teixeira, at least it better.

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:14 PM
Teixeira is going to get a monster contract. I am not so sure that the Angels could pay that.

The Angels are currently 6th in total payroll. The O's are 21st. C'mon.

x_notorious
07-29-2008, 06:15 PM
World Series or bust for the Angels. They got the pitching staff, pretty good bullpen and just added another big bat to a line-up with already good thump. Scary team come playoff time.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:16 PM
The Angels are currently 6th in total payroll. The O's are 21st. C'mon.
It's not like the O's don't have money or have any big contracts. The O's were around the top 10 a year or two in payroll a year or two ago.

They're going to after Tex hard. I guarantee it.

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
The Angels are currently 6th in total payroll. The O's are 21st. C'mon.

Is that your argument?

Just because a team doesn't have a high payroll, means they don't have the money?

fresh prince
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
i dont know if i like this we better extend him

Damm! Mixed emotions..I love Kotchamn but…… Texiera is a beast!! And Kendry Morales will take over at 1st if we don’t re-sign Texiera..Were better now and later..

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
i like how all non angles fans like it for the angles

and the angles dont..
Ha ha, yeah. I was hearing a call in radio show this morning, and 8 out of 9 callers said no. Kotch has been very productive this year, but Teix has the huge numbers, is an All Star, and I will support the move.

If Teix does move after the season, Kendry will finally get his chance.

mikeman0000
07-29-2008, 06:20 PM
Dont you know there are more important things than breaking news?

No, Not Brett Favre. This is more important than this because it changes the MLB pennant race

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:20 PM
It's not like the O's don't have money or have any big contracts. The O's were around the top 10 a year or two in payroll a year or two ago.

They're going to after Tex hard. I guarantee it.

Fantastic. Let them.

There's zero reason to think the Angels can't, and won't, do the same thing.

3 of their top 5 salaries will be gone at the end of this year. That's $34MM, poof.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:20 PM
The Angels are currently 6th in total payroll. The O's are 21st. C'mon.
The O's were 10th in 2007 in Payroll with $95 million. They're 21st this season with $66 million.

They have the money.

ugafan
07-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Braves have 40 mil+ this offseason with Hampton and others gone, I would laugh my *** off if they re-signed Tex.

This thread plus the one in the Braves forum has like a gajillion viewers.

serGeant
07-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Now let's see the Braves move on Jason Bay to build for next year.

1. Johnson, 2B
2. Escobar, SS
3. Jones, 3B
4. Bay, LF
5. Kotchman, 1B
6. McCann, C
7. Francouer, RF
8. Schaefer, CF

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Is that your argument?

Just because a team doesn't have a high payroll, means they don't have the money?

My argument is that the Angels have shown no hesitation in spending money. They would've signed Konerko earlier if he hadn't gone back with the Chi Sox.

fresh prince
07-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Ha ha, yeah. I was hearing a call in radio show this morning, and 8 out of 9 callers said no. Kotch has been very productive this year, but Teix has the huge numbers, is an All Star, and I will support the move.

If Teix does move after the season, Kendry will finally get his chance.

Exactly! Thats why I like the move even though I will miss Kotch

Kendry will be better than him at the plate

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Now let's see the Braves move on Jason Bay to build for next year.

1. Johnson, 2B
2. Escobar, SS
3. Jones, 3B
4. Bay, LF
5. Kotchman, 1B
6. McCann, C
7. Francouer, RF
8. Schaefer, CF

Bay isn't going.. Dream on.

Driven
07-29-2008, 06:23 PM
My argument is that the Angels have shown no hesitation in spending money. They would've signed Konerko earlier if he hadn't gone back with the Chi Sox.
This is more about Boras and Tex in the offseason, than it is the Angels wanting to resign him.

Tex would be an idiot to not test the market.

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:23 PM
Braves have 40 mil+ this offseason with Hampton and others gone, I would laugh my *** off if they re-signed Tex.


What would they do with Kotchman

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:24 PM
The O's were 10th in 2007 in Payroll with $95 million. They're 21st this season with $66 million.

They have the money.

The Angels will drop (ignoring other money coming off the books from other teams) literally like 8 places in the payroll list at the end of this season. I'd say it's a fair bet they do too.

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:25 PM
This is more about Boras and Tex in the offseason, than it is the Angels wanting to resign him.

Tex would be an idiot to not test the market.

Or maybe Tex will be okay finally being on a team with a real shot at putting a ring on his finger. Who can say? Maybe you're right and he's just waiting for his chance to dash to free agency. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion.

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:25 PM
Exactly! Thats why I like the move even though I will miss Kotch

Kendry will be better than him at the plate
I never really liked Kotch, that whole mononucleosis thing p***d me off. But I finally started to warm up to just a few months ago. Oh well. This morning I was against the trade, now I support it. Especially since the second piece was not much.

GO TEIX!!!
GO ANGELS!!!

Quinlan plays today?

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:25 PM
Being reported on mlb.com now:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080729&content_id=3219169&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 06:26 PM
only 69 people are viewing this. you should have seen it in the cubs forum when we got rich harden. over 160 people were viewing the thread at the same time

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:26 PM
Quinlan plays today?

Oh God, I didn't even think about that. :pity:

Buckwheat
07-29-2008, 06:28 PM
only 69 people are viewing this. you should have seen it in the cubs forum when we got rich harden. over 160 people were viewing the thread at the same time

Yes.. I am immature.

natepro
07-29-2008, 06:28 PM
only 69 people are viewing this. you should have seen it in the cubs forum when we got rich harden. over 160 people were viewing the thread at the same time

It was way higher a few minutes ago.

x_notorious
07-29-2008, 06:29 PM
only 69 people are viewing this. you should have seen it in the cubs forum when we got rich harden. over 160 people were viewing the thread at the same time

That's quite obvious with the massive Cubs fan base here.

fresh prince
07-29-2008, 06:30 PM
Oh God, I didn't even think about that. :pity:

Haha Look at the bright side..This probably forces Scioss to move Maicer to the #2 spot at least for today..


AND WE MAY NEVER SEE MAICER HITTING 3RD AGAIN WITH TEXIERA IN THE fOLD!!

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:31 PM
this move was bigger than the EARTHQUAKE!!!! Ha ha!

McPeak92
07-29-2008, 06:37 PM
rich get richer. Angels are scary.

hyp21
07-29-2008, 06:39 PM
what now braves? Is this part of our "plan" to rebuild? I don't get what direction we're tryna go to now. Kudos to making the Angels hella deep and more dangerous than before (sarcasm as I am a dodger fan too and not real happy about the floundering Andruw Jones' season thus far!!!!) But what do the braves do now?

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:41 PM
Well, the radio guys are praising the trade as we speak on LAAs pregame show. Rex, Terry and Phys are thrilled.

DbOyZ_ILiVe4DIs
07-29-2008, 06:42 PM
Talk about a deadly lineup

GHGHCP
07-29-2008, 06:45 PM
Well, the radio guys are praising the trade as we speak on LAAs pregame show. Rex, Terry and Phys are thrilled.

Aren't those guys thrilled when they tie their shoes? :D

fresh prince
07-29-2008, 06:45 PM
Bad trade for LA, IMO. Kotchman for likely a couple months rental? No thanks.

We have Kendry Morales who most in the organization (Reagins clearly). consider an even better hitter than Kotchman..and he's not just a "prospect" Morales came up to the bigs and raked for 2 months last year

So IF TEX ISNT RESIGNED THERES STILL AN UPGRADE or Equal to Kothman OFFENSIVELY AT 1ST waiting in the wings

Uncle Funster
07-29-2008, 06:47 PM
Great trade for the Angels. Therefore I hate it.

S.P.
07-29-2008, 06:54 PM
Aren't those guys thrilled when they tie their shoes? :D
Ah ha ha! Rex is a little excitable, ya think?

As for 2 month rental = bad deal, well, if we win WS, then it's the best deal ever, and if we need a 1B next year, maybe we make a trade. Angles with Teix is better than Angles with Kotch. I'm liking this trade more every minute.

Ha ha, I just heard Jose Guillen is demanding a trade from KC. SHould we get him guys? Ha Ha HA HA HA! Now THAT'S SARCASM!

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 06:54 PM
this move was bigger than the EARTHQUAKE!!!! Ha ha!

HAhahahahahahahahahahaha.

natepro
07-29-2008, 07:01 PM
I just had a funny thought...

The person that may be the least happy about this trade is K-Rod. More runs = fewer save chances.


Edit: Since I have a feeling I'm going to have to say it later if I don't now, this is just a joke kiddies.

Brooke
07-29-2008, 07:11 PM
Figures this trade goes down when they play the Red Sox. This makes them even better

my only upside: at least he isn't going to the Yankees

torontocubs
07-29-2008, 07:15 PM
This is a solid trade, huge benefit to the Angels though. Isn't Gary Matthews coming off the books come the offseason, that could help finance Tex if this really works for him. Who gives a **** though, that lineup is absolutely filthy. Not too bad of a trade for the Braves either. They weren't going to resign Tex, so would they have really acquired a much better ML ready young player than Kotchman? I think it is pretty legit.

S.P.
07-29-2008, 07:17 PM
. Isn't Gary Matthews coming off the books come the offseason,

Unfortunately not. GMJ is 5 years, 55M, which means 3 more years of a high paid bench player.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 07:20 PM
But, Garret Anderson (16 MIL) and K-Rod (10 MIL) are coming off the books. Along with some others

natepro
07-29-2008, 07:20 PM
Isn't Gary Matthews coming off the books come the offseason

That's not even funny. :(:mad:

rriders9
07-29-2008, 07:24 PM
Angels have one of the best offenses now

nickymintz
07-29-2008, 07:25 PM
Great trade for both teams.
Angels are really making a push for the World series this year.
Can Tex play in the game tonight?

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 07:34 PM
But, Garret Anderson (16 MIL) and K-Rod (10 MIL) are coming off the books. Along with some others

Garlands 12M

x_notorious
07-29-2008, 07:36 PM
Looks like the Angels have more then enough money to re-sign Tex. There is a strong possibility it might happen too. He is with a team that will contend with that potent offense and very good pitching staff. And probably have some money lefty over to get a bullpen arm.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 07:39 PM
Looks like the Angels have more then enough money to re-sign Tex. There is a strong possibility it might happen too. He is with a team that will contend with that potent offense and very good pitching staff. And probably have some money lefty over to get a bullpen arm.

K-Rod

mawp
07-29-2008, 07:41 PM
Angels have one of the best offenses now

I beg to differ.

Entering today they were 19th in MLB in runs scored.

Tex will help, but Texas, Cubs, Boston, Philly still have the superior offenses.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 07:43 PM
Great trade for both teams.
Angels are really making a push for the World series this year.
Can Tex play in the game tonight?

No, Tomorrow most likely.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 07:43 PM
we are up there now

cffl go cubs
07-29-2008, 07:45 PM
What The Braves Should Have Done


Braves Get: Vlad
Angels Get: Tex, Jair Jurrgens

natepro
07-29-2008, 07:46 PM
What The Braves Should Have Done


Braves Get: Vlad
Angels Get: Tex, Jair Jurrgens

:eyebrow:

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 07:47 PM
What The Braves Should Have Done


Braves Get: Vlad
Angels Get: Tex, Jair Jurrgens

NO

cffl go cubs
07-29-2008, 07:49 PM
Vlad for Tex and Jair Jurrjens
or
Matt Kemp and Derek Lowe for Tex, Jo-Jo Reyes, and Prospect TBA

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 07:50 PM
Great trade for both teams.
Angels are really making a push for the World series this year.
Can Tex play in the game tonight?

No, Tomorrow most likely.

pad1
07-29-2008, 08:01 PM
I think it was a good trade.

pad1
07-29-2008, 08:02 PM
I don't understand why the Angels won't resign K-Rod considering the season he is having. :shrug:

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 08:04 PM
I don't understand why the Angels won't resign K-Rod considering the season he is having. :shrug:

Because he is not that good as people think. He walks a ton of batters. And wants 15 MM a year for pitching about 65 Innings a year? BS

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:05 PM
he wants to become a FA we tryed extending him in the begging of the season

pad1
07-29-2008, 08:07 PM
seriously? He will get WAY MORE SAVES/work if he stays as an Angel.
vladdy, we have teh same amount of posts. xD

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:16 PM
he doesnt want saves he wants money

pad1
07-29-2008, 08:18 PM
he has potential to top Trevor's record at his rate, I believe.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:21 PM
ya he was the youngest player ever to 100 saves and will most likelyy break the all time single season saves record this year

pad1
07-29-2008, 08:24 PM
I really wanna see how far he can go with it.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:29 PM
he is on pace for 64 that 7 more than then Thigpens record 57

Rio40
07-29-2008, 08:40 PM
this is a risky trade for the angels if they can't resign texiera :/

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:44 PM
i think we have a really good chance at resigning him

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 08:49 PM
And if they don't they have a hitter in the minors - Kendry Morales.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 08:52 PM
and one a little further Mark Trumbo AA

kyubi256
07-29-2008, 08:56 PM
why do i feel that the Braves would have gotten more from the draft? I mean the two guys aren't bad but definitely lower than their package for Tex... i bet they regret that deal now

pad1
07-29-2008, 09:09 PM
I think they could have done better. :/

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
I think they could have done better. :/

the braves right????????

Kinsm
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
i like how all non angles fans like it for the angles

and the angles dont..

What's an angle?

Eicholtz
07-29-2008, 09:11 PM
I tell you if the Angels don't resign him this will be a real bad deal for the Angels and a good deal for the Braves. I haven't anything about the Angels even having interest until now. I liked Kotchman in spite of the team he plays for so good luck to him in Atlanta. I think it's a bad deal because Tex isn't going to resign anywhere because he is going fishing this offseason. I don't like the Angels so I hope it backfires on them.

pad1
07-29-2008, 09:17 PM
Why hate the Angels?

Sick Of It All
07-29-2008, 09:21 PM
If he leaves the Angels get 2 draft picks for them and they have some of the best scouts in baseball who you know will do their homework and get 2 solid spects with those picks.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 09:28 PM
If he leaves the Angels get 2 draft picks for them and they have some of the best scouts in baseball who you know will do their homework and get 2 solid spects with those picks.

and one of the scouts Tom Kotchman Caseys dad

MaZin420
07-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Great move for the Halos...If not already the Al West is over

Towelie
07-29-2008, 09:38 PM
Does anyone remember him last time he was in the AL? Not as good as he was in NL.

I think Atlanta did the smart thing here.

natepro
07-29-2008, 09:42 PM
Does anyone remember him last time he was in the AL? Not as good as he was in NL.

I think Atlanta did the smart thing here.

Are you talking about his 131, 144, or 126 OPS+ in the AL? If that's what "not as good" is, then I hope all the Angels are as bad as that the rest of the way.

vladdy#27
07-29-2008, 09:49 PM
I think he will be fine

Tragedy
07-29-2008, 10:02 PM
I think he will be fine
What do you mean by "fine"?

Of course he'll be a good hitter for the Angels.

When I first heard the deal, I liked it. Now? Not as much. I think the Angels will make an attempt to sign him after the season, but there seems like too many other perfect matches for him in the offseason (METS...).

In the end, once Tex gets his monster contract elsewhere thanks to Mr. Boras, this trade will go in favor of the rebuilding Braves.

CarniifeX
07-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Angels Live was on after the show and they interviewed their GM Tony Reagins and he said they weren't able to work out an extension. But Teixeira said they can talk about it once the season is over.

NESports2004
07-29-2008, 10:44 PM
damn nobody could beat the angels without him and no what lol

hope this forces the Sox to try harder to get better.

ThisIsTheYear
07-29-2008, 11:07 PM
Angels were already the best team, this is just the icing on the cake.

Is it going to be Tex-Vlad or Vlad-Tex in the order?

Dirty Dirk41
07-29-2008, 11:32 PM
If the Angels win the World Series this year then i think the trade was WELL WORTH IT!. I dont expect to see Tex in an L.A uniform next season so its World Series or nothing. Kotchman is looking like the real deal at first, one of the hardest hitters to strike out, and is quickly rising. Its all depends on how far Anaheim goes.

CarniifeX
07-30-2008, 12:31 AM
I don't think we're going to extend him. He wants tons of money. Maybe he [Boras] will try to get a little home discount going. Boras has season tickets behind homeplate at Angels Stadium. Even if he does not resign with us, we have a player waiting in Kendry Morales who is also a power hitting switch hitter. So we'll have to see what happens.

Brendan
07-30-2008, 12:48 AM
Not that big a deal. Tex is going to go to LA till the end of this year, win a championship with the Angels, and then come play for his hometown team

vladdy#27
07-30-2008, 12:49 AM
What do you mean by "fine"?


Does anyone remember him last time he was in the AL? Not as good as he was in NL.

I think Atlanta did the smart thing here.

that is why i said he was going to be fine i dont think he will struggle going back to the AL

NDP1981
07-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Great move.

Sox Appeal
07-30-2008, 12:59 AM
Angels were already the best team, this is just the icing on the cake.

Is it going to be Tex-Vlad or Vlad-Tex in the order?

I would assume it'll be Vlad - Tex. Reason being, the Angels have been looking for a #4 hitter to "protect" V - Lad, and now that they have that in Teixeira, it just makes sense to bat him 4th.

pad1
07-30-2008, 01:00 AM
Vlad-tex

Brendan
07-30-2008, 01:07 AM
How about Brian Roberts-Adam Jones-Tex in 09 :D

vladdy#27
07-30-2008, 01:10 AM
Not that big a deal. Tex is going to go to LA till the end of this year, win a championship with the Angels, and then come play for his hometown team

I think that Tex resigns we have big contracts that are coming off next season Anderson (14M)3M buy out, Jon Garland (12M), K-Rod (10M), Darren Oliver (2M) Teixeira (12.5M), Chone Figgins (4.75M we will likely resign him),
Juan Rivera (2.025M), Robb Quinlan (1.05M).

Thats a total of $55,325,000

the people i see us trying to resigning are Figgins, Rivera, Teixeira, and K-Rod

Teixeira 20M
K-Rod 15M
Figgins 5M-10M
Rivera 5M-10M

If Figgnis and Rivera make 10M that would be a total of that would be 55M just what we had coming off.

If we do win the world series i think it would be 90% chance that Teixeira resigns

vladdy#27
07-30-2008, 01:14 AM
I would assume it'll be Vlad - Tex. Reason being, the Angels have been looking for a #4 hitter to "protect" V - Lad, and now that they have that in Teixeira, it just makes sense to bat him 4th.


BOSTON -- The Angels finally have satisfied their hunger for a big bat to align alongside Vladimir Guerrero with the acquisition on Tuesday afternoon of slugging first baseman Mark Teixeira from Atlanta.

The Braves received first baseman Casey Kotchman and pitching prospect Stephen Marek, a hard-throwing reliever. Kotchman, 26, leaves as arguably the most valuable player on the best team in the Majors.

Teixeira, 28, brings power and superb defense after 4 1/2 seasons in Texas and the equivalent of one full season in Atlanta. He will bat third in the order, between Maicer Izturis and Guerrero, Angels manager Mike Scioscia said.

"Mark's definitely a two-way player," Scioscia said. "Mark can play defense and hit from two sides of the plate. He's a presence in the middle of the lineup.

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/new...=.jsp&c_id=ana

its going to go

Figgins
Izturis
Teixeira
Guerrero
Hunter
Anderson
Rivera
Kendrick
Mathis

i think it could eventually look somethink like this

Figgins
Kendrick
Teixeira
Guerrero
Hunter
Anderson
Rivera
Mathis
Izturis

Brendan
07-30-2008, 01:16 AM
Thats not the point

For the past few years, Tex has said he would LOVE to come play for his hometown team...

Im pretty sure that everyone believes that the Angels are now favorites to win it all. If they win it all, Tex has done it all, except play for his hometown team.

The Orioles have money, its not like they couldnt pay Tex. They could definately pay Tex. If the O's make a push for Tex and offer him a nice contract in the offseason, dont be surprised if he signs with Baltimore very quickly

vladdy#27
07-30-2008, 01:21 AM
I never said that the O's didnt have the money but why would he want to leave a winning team to go to the O's who would probobly not be a contender (because the Rays, Yankees, and Red Sox)w hen we would most likely offer the same amount of money I know he would probobly love to play for his hometownn but i think he would rather win

Lady's Man
07-30-2008, 01:38 AM
paying tex all that money doenst make sence for the o's.... keep grooming your young talent.... no need to waste all that money on one player

Ender
07-30-2008, 02:36 AM
Good move by the Angels. Even better for the Phillies.

Epic89
07-30-2008, 02:47 AM
2008 World Series= Angels vs. Cubs. They might as well call the season a few months early, skip the DLS and LCS and go straight to the World Series 'cause it's just about set in stone now.

JETty12213
07-30-2008, 03:23 AM
im so happy!! i bet a **** load on who the WS teams would be and i picked LAA vs. CHI. but i picked CHI but anything can happen. nice job of LAA securing their place in the WS.... but go cubs!

horry1ur
07-30-2008, 03:40 AM
^^I think you just jinxed both teams lol

PRETTY BIRD
07-30-2008, 04:38 AM
great move!

BearSox
07-30-2008, 06:35 AM
This is a good move for both sides. Kotchman is better than the two comp. picks that the Braves would have gotten.

The Schmooze
07-30-2008, 07:28 AM
seems like ATL gave up more to get him, rather than what they got trading him...

michaelb2254
07-30-2008, 08:13 AM
seems like ATL gave up more to get him, rather than what they got trading him...

We gave up way more.

Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, and two other prospects.

natepro
07-30-2008, 09:11 AM
Thats not the point

For the past few years, Tex has said he would LOVE to come play for his hometown team...

Im pretty sure that everyone believes that the Angels are now favorites to win it all. If they win it all, Tex has done it all, except play for his hometown team.

The Orioles have money, its not like they couldnt pay Tex. They could definately pay Tex. If the O's make a push for Tex and offer him a nice contract in the offseason, dont be surprised if he signs with Baltimore very quickly

That whole "LOVE to come play for his hometown team" thing doesn't always happen that way. Ask Mark Buerhle.

The Schmooze
07-30-2008, 09:22 AM
We gave up way more.

Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, and two other prospects.

I know my buddy is a Bravos fan and he's pissed...

but at the same time tho the Braves are smart, and good judges on pitching talent, so I wouldnt be surprised if this AA pitcher is solid

acecrusher06
07-30-2008, 09:23 AM
great trade for the angels. they're clearly trying to win this year. they upgraded on defense and offense, and they will try hard to resign him in the off-season.

and if they don't they still get 2 draft picks.

McJoe
07-30-2008, 09:33 AM
what a horrible rape trade...Kotchman isnt half the player that Mark Teixeira is and Stephen Marek isnt even one of their better prospects in fact hes number 6...

can we veto this trade like in the mock offseasons cause id veto this one...

Matchstckman
07-30-2008, 09:52 AM
When you look at their run differential, the Angels have been really lucky to be where they are. This obviously helps, but it doesn't suddenly mean they have a very good offense. It's greatly improved, but not great.

BRAVE KID
07-30-2008, 10:56 AM
seems like ATL gave up more to get him, rather than what they got trading him...
we did. however there was no way we would get the same return for a 2 month rental it just wasn't going to happen..some of these braves fans need to calm down and actually look into things.

The Schmooze
07-30-2008, 11:06 AM
we did. however there was no way we would get the same return for a 2 month rental it just wasn't going to happen..some of these braves fans need to calm down and actually look into things.

I understand you wouldnt get the exact same return, but we dont know what Kotchman is....he's having a career year...and that AA pitcher is a reliever Im told?

Still think they could have gotten more

kyubi256
07-30-2008, 11:31 AM
is it just me or would the first round compensation and a sandwich pick have been better than Casey Kotchman + Stephen Marek?

Is it just me or did the Braves make a HORRIBLE trade as they could have gotten more for Tex being Type A...

fresh prince
07-30-2008, 01:47 PM
What do you mean by "fine"?

Of course he'll be a good hitter for the Angels.

When I first heard the deal, I liked it. Now? Not as much. I think the Angels will make an attempt to sign him after the season, but there seems like too many other perfect matches for him in the offseason (METS...).

In the end, once Tex gets his monster contract elsewhere thanks to Mr. Boras, this trade will go in favor of the rebuilding Braves.

Not so much even if he does bolt. This move frees up Kendry Morales to take over at 1st base next year. Which was really a concern for our club. Most people in the Organization. like Morales over Kotchman.

We needed a way to get Morales' bat in the lineup somehow. SO moving Kothcman does that. If TEX leaves that then creates the scenario the front office actually wanted.

Kendry was ripping the ball for 2 months straight with the big league club and was probably our best hitter for about a month last year. Dude is legit.. That's why this move was a no brainer.

Morales proomptly hit a home run and drove in 4 last night. We'll probably see him up in SEPT.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_10036955

The Schmooze
07-30-2008, 01:53 PM
Not so much even if he does bolt. This move frees up Kendry Morales to take over at 1st base next year. Which was really a concern for our club. Most people in the Organization. like Morales over Kotchman.

We needed a way to get Morales' bat in the lineup somehow. SO moving Kothcman does that. If TEX leaves that then creates the scenario the front office actually wanted.

Kendry was ripping the ball for 2 months straight with the big league club and was probably our best hitter for about a month last year. Dude is legit.. That's why this move was a no brainer.

Morales proomptly hit a home run and drove in 4 last night. We'll probably see him up in SEPT.



http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_10036955whats the story with this AA pitcher?

S.P.
07-30-2008, 01:55 PM
whats the story with this AA pitcher?
I've never heard his name before, and I assume I'll never hear it again.

fresh prince
07-30-2008, 02:26 PM
I've never heard his name before, and I assume I'll never hear it again.

Everything I heard before the trade was that he throws Gas. He projects as a closer- setup guy but he wasnt being fast tracked by the Angles because they like guys like Jose Arrendondo, David Herndon and a few other relievers more..

Maybe the Braves saw something they really like

Seamhead
07-30-2008, 02:28 PM
what a horrible rape trade...Kotchman isnt half the player that Mark Teixeira is

Actually, I'd say he is. I have him as a 2.5-3 WAR (wins above replacement) player and Tex as a 4 Wins Above Replacement player. Kotch doesn't have the power that Tex does, though scouts say he can develop it, but he sure as hell can get on base. He's also on par defensively with Tex.

Here's where we have to look at something called lease equity. Kotch's lease equity is higher than Tex's due to the fact that he's going to be under control pretty damn cheap as compared to Tex, whose contract runs out after this season. The Braves had no chance of signing him, anyways.

pad1
07-30-2008, 02:30 PM
I've never heard of that WAR stat. :confused:

S.P.
07-30-2008, 02:55 PM
I've never heard of that WAR stat. :confused:

WAR. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing. :D

Brendan
07-30-2008, 05:36 PM
I never said that the O's didnt have the money but why would he want to leave a winning team to go to the O's who would probobly not be a contender (because the Rays, Yankees, and Red Sox)w hen we would most likely offer the same amount of money I know he would probobly love to play for his hometownn but i think he would rather win

Thats my point. He has ALWAYS dreamed of playing for his hometown team. But everyone wants to win... If he wins it all this year with LA he would of had the taste of winning, all he would have left to do is play for the O's, his hometown team. And dont sleep on the O's in that division. With a core of Adam Jones-Nick Markakis-Tex....

S.P.
07-30-2008, 06:05 PM
With a core of Adam Jones-Nick Markakis-Tex....

Can they pitch too? :D The O's can already put numbers up, I think keeping them down is the problem. I don't follow them that close, but when LAA went in last week, the best ERA of the 3 starters they threw was 5.02.

Brendan
07-30-2008, 06:17 PM
Yes that is the problem. But the O's traded Tejada and Bedard for mostly pitching prospects. Our farm system is FILLED with pitching prospects. Dont worry about pitching because we have PLENTY of pitchers down in the farm systems with lots of potential

vladdy#27
07-30-2008, 06:18 PM
Can they pitch too? :D The O's can already put numbers up, I think keeping them down is the problem. I don't follow them that close, but when LAA went in last week, the best ERA of the 3 starters they threw was 5.02.

ya you cant win without pitching and after his 10 years with us and like 5 World Series rings he can go play for the O's

Brendan
07-30-2008, 06:27 PM
Or after this year

natepro
07-31-2008, 02:09 AM
We should just send him to the O's now in exchange for a nice handshake. It'll make all this obvious inevitability easier to deal with.