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phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 10:35 AM
$20,000 (that would be twenty thousand dollars) is not that much to LeBron James. He makes slightly more money than that. However, when you're talking about it as amount that's being given away to a cause, suddenly it becomes much more substantial.

For instance, let's say that cause is not so hypothetically Barack Obama's campaign fund. Which it was/is.

Entertainers who donated $28,500 to the committees include producers Frederick W. Field and Steven Bochco and his wife, Dayna, and actors Samuel L. Jackson and Edward Norton.

NBA star LeBron James donated $20,000.

In several instances, couples doubled their donations. Professional poker player Phil Ivey and his wife, Luciaetta, for example, each gave $33,100 to the Obama Victory Committee.

I think the 20k (emphasis mine) is a pretty interesting figure for a pretty interesting athlete, given the nature of this coming election.

It would seem far to bizarre for Bron to be aligned with John McCain, although I kind of feel like his corporate attitude gives off a bit of Republican natured behavior.

And of course, not to trivialize 20 large, because Lord knows that is a lot of money (like 40 posts worth here), but relative to what LeBron makes it's not a ton. Which makes me wonder about his dedication to Barack's campaign.

On the other hand, as Clay Travis pointed out, having athletes actually flash their political beliefs through public financial endorsements is a nice growing trend in America, so maybe I shouldn't be so cynical.

http://www.nbarumors.org/rumors/lebron-james-donated-20k-to-barack-obamas-campaign

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 10:44 AM
i dont like barrack or mcain. They both are not good candidates.

phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 10:46 AM
i like obama. check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6G6rlhBsWNM

Mile High Champ
07-29-2008, 10:50 AM
i dont like barrack or mcain. They both are not good candidates.

well you proved a good point there. nice explanation why as well.

Er1c
07-29-2008, 10:52 AM
i love obama :D

JordansBulls
07-29-2008, 10:53 AM
http://www.nbarumors.org/rumors/lebron-james-donated-20k-to-barack-obamas-campaign

He could have donated that money to me so that I could pay off my house.
:D

phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 10:54 AM
lol

Mile High Champ
07-29-2008, 10:54 AM
James could do better with his money, is he looking for a pat on the back here or something. If we wanted to do something with it, give it to charity and that can help children and famalies in need. I can tell you something, Obama does not need the endrosement of Lebron James, He has so many people behind him of far greater importance that actually can make a difference. Heck look at what Oprah donated to him and his cause...

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 10:54 AM
well you proved a good point there. nice explanation why as well.

First of all.....Obama believes in abortion which i hate. infants are loosing there lives from aborition. Thats really stupid. Also, obama wants "free health insurance". That'll be really bad. You know how long you have to wait for your doctors appointment.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 10:55 AM
oprah is so fake.

MiamiHeat
07-29-2008, 10:58 AM
i like obama. check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6G6rlhBsWNM

haha :laugh: YES WE CAN!

TELL THE CLINTONS YOU CANT STOP THEM!

SHONIE
07-29-2008, 11:01 AM
Yay?

Mile High Champ
07-29-2008, 11:15 AM
First of all.....Obama believes in abortion which i hate. infants are loosing there lives from aborition. Thats really stupid. Also, obama wants "free health insurance". That'll be really bad. You know how long you have to wait for your doctors appointment.

This is meant for the eleection fourm but anyway you made the comments...your getting caught up on an issue like abortion? there are a lot of issues right now that should be placed with more importance. Of note the economy, healthcare, foreign policy and the environment. In regard to your ignorant rational on obama's platform toward health insurance, you could not be any more wrong. Obama wants to lower the the money the people spend on premiums for health insurance. He wants to allow for those 40 million plus americans who dont have health care to have access to it. People should not be left to die in the street because they cant affoard the treatment to treat something like lung cancer. The United States remains the only G8 country in the world without universal healthcare. Its a backward system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is meant to allow americans to buy affordable health coverage that many other americans can affoard. He should do more than this but this is a start. I come from an upper class family and I cant imagine how guilty I would feel knowing people can't affoard the privledges that I am entitled to. Every person should be entitled to these basic ideas and principals. You may have to wait a little longer and be heavier taxed when things change but at least your Conscious (it should) will feel better as you dont have to pass someone lying half dead outside the hospital because they cant affoard a procedure that you can. Its beyond pathetic and sad that it has taken this long for the states to try and adopt a new system. Your worried about how long it takes to see a doctor, how about that person that even affoard to see a specialist let alone get treatment...

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 11:22 AM
This is meant for the eleection fourm but anyway you made the comments...your getting caught up on an issue like abortion? there are a lot of issues right now that should be placed with more importance. Of note the economy, healthcare, foreign policy and the environment. In regard to your ignorant rational on obama's platform toward health insurance, you could not be any more wrong. Obama wants to lower the the money the people spend on premiums for health insurance. He wants to allow for those 40 million plus americans who dont have health care to have access to it. People should not be left to die in the street because they cant affoard the treatment to treat something like lung cancer. The United States remains the only G8 country in the world without universal healthcare. Its a backward system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I come from an upper class family and I cant imagine how guilty I would feel knowing people can't affoard the privledges that I am entitled to. Every person should be entitled to these basic ideas and principals. You may have to wait a little longer and be heavier taxed when things change but at least your Conscious (it should) will feel better as you dont have to pass someone lying half dead outside the hospital because they cant affoard a procedure that you can. Its beyond pathetic and sad that it has taken this long for the states to try and adopt a new system. Your worried about how long it takes to see a doctor, how about that person that even affoard to see a specialist let alone get treatment...

Millions of babies are getting killed every year. BABIES. They didn't even get to live there life.

Chi-Town Finest
07-29-2008, 11:27 AM
Now if I can get LBJ to donate half of that to my campaign less fortunate people on the South and West sides of Chicago would rejoice and smile again because I would be able to pay back some loans.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 11:29 AM
Now if I can get LBJ to donate half of that to my campaign less fortunate people on the South and West sides of Chicago would rejoice and smile again because I would be able to pay back some loans.

Theres like someone getting killed everyday in the south side. I've been noticing more people coming to sububrs cauof that.

Chi-Town Finest
07-29-2008, 11:31 AM
Thats why im here.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 11:32 AM
so u live around naperville and that area.

Mile High Champ
07-29-2008, 11:33 AM
Millions of babies are getting killed every year. BABIES. They didn't even get to live there life.

Thats all you can come back and say.. Come one look at the issues here. There are bigger problems with America that the issue of pro choice. I assume you are against gay marriage as well? What about the thousands of soldiers dieing in Iraq for a lost cause and one parties ignorant and stupid vision for the world. What abouty that.. Respond to a post if you want to discuss something..

Chi-Town Finest
07-29-2008, 11:38 AM
^^No, why??? You looking for me???? Man, I really ought to take my picture off of here!!!!:hide:

PHX-SOXFAN
07-29-2008, 12:56 PM
I have trouble believing this since the maximum contribution an individual can make is $2300.:rolleyes:

fairandbalanced
07-29-2008, 01:08 PM
If a black person donate, everyone thinks there is a motive. But when a white person donates, we celebrate his/her generousity.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 03:41 PM
Thats all you can come back and say.. Come one look at the issues here. There are bigger problems with America that the issue of pro choice. I assume you are against gay marriage as well? What about the thousands of soldiers dieing in Iraq for a lost cause and one parties ignorant and stupid vision for the world. What abouty that.. Respond to a post if you want to discuss something..

Who do you want for president again? Mccain is the exact clone of bush and i dislike him. He's always about individuality. Obama always changes his mind about something. We need a president who's going to be confident and know what he or she is doing. Either way, the U.S is already m,essed up. SO who ever is president, isn't going to make a difference.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 03:42 PM
^^No, why??? You looking for me???? Man, I really ought to take my picture off of here!!!!:hide:

If you want i'll look for you???/

kvrnm
07-29-2008, 03:55 PM
This is meant for the eleection fourm but anyway you made the comments...your getting caught up on an issue like abortion? there are a lot of issues right now that should be placed with more importance. Of note the economy, healthcare, foreign policy and the environment. In regard to your ignorant rational on obama's platform toward health insurance, you could not be any more wrong. Obama wants to lower the the money the people spend on premiums for health insurance. He wants to allow for those 40 million plus americans who dont have health care to have access to it. People should not be left to die in the street because they cant affoard the treatment to treat something like lung cancer. The United States remains the only G8 country in the world without universal healthcare. Its a backward system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is meant to allow americans to buy affordable health coverage that many other americans can affoard. He should do more than this but this is a start. I come from an upper class family and I cant imagine how guilty I would feel knowing people can't affoard the privledges that I am entitled to. Every person should be entitled to these basic ideas and principals. You may have to wait a little longer and be heavier taxed when things change but at least your Conscious (it should) will feel better as you dont have to pass someone lying half dead outside the hospital because they cant affoard a procedure that you can. Its beyond pathetic and sad that it has taken this long for the states to try and adopt a new system. Your worried about how long it takes to see a doctor, how about that person that even affoard to see a specialist let alone get treatment...

yaaa your right human life isnt that important of an issue:rolleyes:

*Superman*
07-29-2008, 03:57 PM
i like obama. check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6G6rlhBsWNM

Haha funny *** video.

kvrnm
07-29-2008, 03:58 PM
If a black person donate, everyone thinks there is a motive. But when a white person donates, we celebrate his/her generousity.

sure:rolleyes: black people are always the victim

kv9588
07-29-2008, 04:00 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

pebloemer
07-29-2008, 04:02 PM
First of all.....Obama believes in abortion which i hate. infants are loosing there lives from aborition. Thats really stupid. Also, obama wants "free health insurance". That'll be really bad. You know how long you have to wait for your doctors appointment.

In regards to abortion: In no way am I judging your opinion on abortion to be false as you are definately entitled to it and I can admire the moral stance on preventing the potential life of children.

I am curious however if you have done all your research with this. Do more people get abortions if it is legalized? Or is it just reducing the harm to those who are going to choose to have an abortion anyways by giving them a safe place to do it? Does context play an impact in your view? Rape for example?

Anywho, this is almost definately not where I should post this but it has been the discussion, so I'm sorry. Again I have the utmost respect ofr your decision either way, you just aren't backing it with anything.

kvrnm
07-29-2008, 04:03 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

true that:clap:

*Superman*
07-29-2008, 04:13 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

Or because he is black.

kvrnm
07-29-2008, 04:14 PM
Or because he is black.

pretty much what he was sayin

HOZ THE KNICK
07-29-2008, 04:15 PM
that's a good move...

Chi-Town Finest
07-29-2008, 04:16 PM
If you want i'll look for you???/
Only if you are a hot chick!!!!

Knowledge
07-29-2008, 04:19 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

I like Obama because I think he unites all different kinds of people for the same goal-a better America and a better would. A lot of other countries' people also seem to support Obama. I have other political reasons i support him, but i dont feel like arguing or trying to convince other people so i'll keep them to myself. Everyone has a right to vote for who they want, whether you or me agree or disagree, so their reason to say they are just trying to prove they arent racist.

kv9588
07-29-2008, 04:23 PM
I don't see how Barack Obama can say "typical white person" and get away with it. I wonder what would happen if McCain said "typical black person." I agree that blacks were mistreated like 40 years ago but now everything a white person does is gunna be called racist and they can call us cracker and whatever else they want. Also, I don't see how a person who won't even salute our flag and has a poster of a communist leader in his elections office is getting so popular. He voted present over 100 times in the senate. How is he going to be able to make decisions as the president if he can't in the senate.

kvrnm
07-29-2008, 04:33 PM
I don't see how Barack Obama can say "typical white person" and get away with it. I wonder what would happen if McCain said "typical black person." I agree that blacks were mistreated like 40 years ago but now everything a white person does is gunna be called racist and they can call us cracker and whatever else they want. Also, I don't see how a person who won't even salute our flag and has a poster of a communist leader in his elections office is getting so popular. He voted present over 100 times in the senate. How is he going to be able to make decisions as the president if he can't in the senate.

people are idiots and will vote for him just cus he is black(he is also a former muslim by the way), they dont care about his background... it doesent really matter though cus neither candidate will make a difference, its basically deciding who will cause less damage and i belieive that is mccain.

bogdanrom
07-29-2008, 04:49 PM
Lebron could have done so much better if he donated the money for medical research for diseases or something like that. Plus only 20K. Seriously, he makes millions.

Young_Josh
07-29-2008, 05:01 PM
i hate how people critize stars for donating money! I doesnt matter how much he donated at lease he did something...and barak is the man...it doesnt matter if he is black, white, chinesse, or mexican he is better then mccain.

Young_Josh
07-29-2008, 05:02 PM
i ahte how people critize starts for donating money! I doesnt matter how much he donated at lease he did something...and barak is the man...it doesnt matter if he is black, white, chinesse, or mexican he is better then mccain.

fairandbalanced
07-29-2008, 05:23 PM
I don't see how Barack Obama can say "typical white person" and get away with it. I wonder what would happen if McCain said "typical black person." I agree that blacks were mistreated like 40 years ago but now everything a white person does is gunna be called racist and they can call us cracker and whatever else they want. Also, I don't see how a person who won't even salute our flag and has a poster of a communist leader in his elections office is getting so popular. He voted present over 100 times in the senate. How is he going to be able to make decisions as the president if he can't in the senate.

He can say "typical white person" because he is also white. People have to realise that Obama had no connections to blacks till his late 20's, so when he talks, he really thinks he is pure white.........but also try to make sure he is not denying that he is black because afterall white people will rather call him black than admit he is part of them.

fairandbalanced
07-29-2008, 05:25 PM
Who do you want for president again? Mccain is the exact clone of bush and i dislike him. He's always about individuality. Obama always changes his mind about something. We need a president who's going to be confident and know what he or she is doing. Either way, the U.S is already m,essed up. SO who ever is president, isn't going to make a difference.


What has he changed his mind on? You must be a foxnews bot.........you take all that false news and roll with it without trying to get real facts.

fairandbalanced
07-29-2008, 05:28 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

Can you prove that? People like his ideas, not because he is black. This dude is also white, so maybe they're attracted to his whiteness........some just hate the fact that he is liked. And most folks like you are voting anti-obama and not for McCain based on 2 things.....hatred and jealousy.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 05:37 PM
Only if you are a hot chick!!!!

Ayyy...calm down. Im a male and im not gay.

Bg7getclutch
07-29-2008, 05:42 PM
people are idiots and will vote for him just cus he is black(he is also a former muslim by the way), they dont care about his background... it doesent really matter though cus neither candidate will make a difference, its basically deciding who will cause less damage and i belieive that is mccain.

True. Im not old enough to vote but if i was legal to vote then i wouldn't have voted for anyone becasue they both will be bad.ABortion......How can people say it's ok to kill babies. If you got raped you should at least give the babie a chance to live. Take it to a foster home.

Kings Faithful
07-29-2008, 05:43 PM
A sports forum isnt a place for politics. It just gets people angry. This should be closed.

phlp_bj
07-29-2008, 05:44 PM
i didnt mean for it to get out of hand. i just wanted people to see how lebron was generous

kv9588
07-29-2008, 05:48 PM
This dude is also white, so maybe they're attracted to his whiteness........

That doesn't make any sense at all. If people liked Obama for his whiteness then McCain would be a god.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 05:49 PM
Thats all you can come back and say.. Come one look at the issues here. There are bigger problems with America that the issue of pro choice. I assume you are against gay marriage as well? What about the thousands of soldiers dieing in Iraq for a lost cause and one parties ignorant and stupid vision for the world. What abouty that.. Respond to a post if you want to discuss something..

you're completely entitled to you oppinion, however you should educate yourself a little before you belittle someone for theirs..
First off I am a soldier, and have been to Iraq.. The thousands of soldiers have not died for a lost cause. Iraqi people are free from the fear of a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons on his own people. Since the troop surge the fighting in Iraq is almost non existant.. Oh and since you're just one of the SHEEPLE that the media has brainwashed, maybe you should look at the number of service member deaths during peace time and compare it to the number of service member deaths that are occuring now.. http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html
here is a link to get you started.. If you are too lazy to read it, it will show you that even though we are fighting a 2 front war, our number of military personell killed is only very slightly higher than it was from 1980-Bush's first term... those numbers are even closer now since the rate of American casualties has dropped considerably. The news didn't tell you that though did it... Another thing you failed to mention was that Democrats also backed the war with Iraq, which was supposedly "sold" to them thru false intelligence pertaining to Iraq's WMDs... However we did find very large amounts of WMD's in Iraq.. did you see the liberal media report this, probably not.. here is a link to that as well..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
About the abortion thing I applaude the other poster for believing firmly in something and standing by his moral convictions.. Not only is Obama for abortion, but also for partial birth abortion.. If you're not aware of what that is you should look it up.. it's wonderful.. you know sometimes the fetus lives through the abortion process, in these instances they take the living breathing child and isolate it.. it lives on it's own till it dies of dehydration/hunger from lack of care.. Obama who believes in health care for all, voted against requiring health care for aborted fetusus that survive the abortion process... these are no longer fetus, but infants... here is a diagram that shows how the partial birth abortion happens... its quite a humane thing to shove scissors into the little skull and suck the childs brains out..
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
oh you should follow the link that shows the actual illustrations from the how to..... its great.. If you are so outraged by the deaths of living soldiers, why are you not outraged by the deaths of living infants?

Rox07
07-29-2008, 05:51 PM
True. Im not old enough to vote but if i was legal to vote then i wouldn't have voted for anyone becasue they both will be bad.ABortion......How can people say it's ok to kill babies. If you got raped you should at least give the babie a chance to live. Take it to a foster home.


After reading the posts, I'm so glad that you can't vote. You think a president is going to believe in the EXACT same issues that you hold. Yes that is an important issue but you need to look at more then one thing in deciding what president you support. And I believe when you get more of an education you will hopefully be able to make more concrete decisions.

Kings Faithful
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
you're completely entitled to you oppinion, however you should educate yourself a little before you belittle someone for theirs..
First off I am a soldier, and have been to Iraq.. The thousands of soldiers have not died for a lost cause. Iraqi people are free from the fear of a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons on his own people. Since the troop surge the fighting in Iraq is almost non existant.. Oh and since you're just one of the SHEEPLE that the media has brainwashed, maybe you should look at the number of service member deaths during peace time and compare it to the number of service member deaths that are occuring now.. http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html
here is a link to get you started.. If you are too lazy to read it, it will show you that even though we are fighting a 2 front war, our number of military personell killed is only very slightly higher than it was from 1980-Bush's first term... those numbers are even closer now since the rate of American casualties has dropped considerably. The news didn't tell you that though did it... Another thing you failed to mention was that Democrats also backed the war with Iraq, which was supposedly "sold" to them thru false intelligence pertaining to Iraq's WMDs... However we did find very large amounts of WMD's in Iraq.. did you see the liberal media report this, probably not.. here is a link to that as well..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
About the abortion thing I applaude the other poster for believing firmly in something and standing by his moral convictions.. Not only is Obama for abortion, but also for partial birth abortion.. If you're not aware of what that is you should look it up.. it's wonderful.. you know sometimes the fetus lives through the abortion process, in these instances they take the living breathing child and isolate it.. it lives on it's own till it dies of dehydration/hunger from lack of care.. Obama who believes in health care for all, voted against requiring health care for aborted fetusus that survive the abortion process... these are no longer fetus, but infants... here is a diagram that shows how the partial birth abortion happens... its quite a humane thing to shove scissors into the little skull and suck the childs brains out..
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
oh you should follow the link that shows the actual illustrations from the how to..... its great.. If you are so outraged by the deaths of living soldiers, why are you not outraged by the deaths of living infants?

This is what im talking about. Even thoe i believe in what this guy is saying, a giant rant like this has no place in a forum. Now someone is probably going to counter this giant rant with another giant rant and its going to get stupid. Just stop with the BS now.

Rox07
07-29-2008, 05:58 PM
Also it scares me how similar Mccain's beliefs are to Bush's. I can't even describe how bad Bush has left America and I feel like Mccain would do no better. If Mccain is elected, all the dumbass middle class Americans who voted for him wouldn't be able to survive with the state of the current recession and regret every minute of their decision. Obama has a much better chance to get us out of the shyt hole we are in.

kv9588
07-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Wow, grega1976 that is EXACTLY what i've been waiting for people to realize. Thanks for defending our great country! :clap:

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:09 PM
Wow, grega1976 that is EXACTLY what i've been waiting for people to realize. Thanks for defending our great country! :clap:

So people who don't share the same opinions as you don't give a *** about this country? Wow please just stop typing.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:12 PM
So people who don't share the same opinions as you don't give a *** about this country? Wow please just stop typing.

I believe he was saying thanks because I am in the military, and therefore literally defend our country...

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:14 PM
Wow, grega1976 that is EXACTLY what i've been waiting for people to realize. Thanks for defending our great country! :clap:

Oh yea he just now wanted people to realize that we should appreciate soldiers who defend our country. Doesn't seem to make sense to me.

And btw people can still support their country without supporting your conservative opinions.

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:16 PM
Grega dude just tell me this. After living 8 long years with Bush do you feel like are country is better now or when Clinton was president?

Lakersfan2483
07-29-2008, 06:18 PM
I am glad Lebron donated to Obama's camp, we need better leadership in this country, keep Mccain out of office!!

Lakersfan2483
07-29-2008, 06:20 PM
you're completely entitled to you oppinion, however you should educate yourself a little before you belittle someone for theirs..
First off I am a soldier, and have been to Iraq.. The thousands of soldiers have not died for a lost cause. Iraqi people are free from the fear of a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons on his own people. Since the troop surge the fighting in Iraq is almost non existant.. Oh and since you're just one of the SHEEPLE that the media has brainwashed, maybe you should look at the number of service member deaths during peace time and compare it to the number of service member deaths that are occuring now.. http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html
here is a link to get you started.. If you are too lazy to read it, it will show you that even though we are fighting a 2 front war, our number of military personell killed is only very slightly higher than it was from 1980-Bush's first term... those numbers are even closer now since the rate of American casualties has dropped considerably. The news didn't tell you that though did it... Another thing you failed to mention was that Democrats also backed the war with Iraq, which was supposedly "sold" to them thru false intelligence pertaining to Iraq's WMDs... However we did find very large amounts of WMD's in Iraq.. did you see the liberal media report this, probably not.. here is a link to that as well..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
About the abortion thing I applaude the other poster for believing firmly in something and standing by his moral convictions.. Not only is Obama for abortion, but also for partial birth abortion.. If you're not aware of what that is you should look it up.. it's wonderful.. you know sometimes the fetus lives through the abortion process, in these instances they take the living breathing child and isolate it.. it lives on it's own till it dies of dehydration/hunger from lack of care.. Obama who believes in health care for all, voted against requiring health care for aborted fetusus that survive the abortion process... these are no longer fetus, but infants... here is a diagram that shows how the partial birth abortion happens... its quite a humane thing to shove scissors into the little skull and suck the childs brains out..
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
oh you should follow the link that shows the actual illustrations from the how to..... its great.. If you are so outraged by the deaths of living soldiers, why are you not outraged by the deaths of living infants?

I have respect for your views and your military service although I diagree with the purpose of our Military being over in Iraq.

Lakersfan2483
07-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Way too many young lives lost and for what??

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:25 PM
oops forgot to Quote
ROX said: Grega dude just tell me this. After living 8 long years with Bush do you feel like are country is better now or when Clinton was president?

Clinton, (we are safer now than we were then though) however Obama is no Clinton.. Clinton knew what he was doing and was an excellent domestic president.. his foreign policy was... ehhh.. Bush however gets blamed for alot only because of this war and that is unfair.. The energy crisis has been a long time coming (10 or 15 ys atleast) and the economy is in a bit of a recession now (mainly due to energy) but it has been strong every since it rebounded post- 9/11.. so to recap.. domestically better with clinton, foreign safer with bush.. Lets not forget Clinton got us into 3 conflicts (Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia) that we had no reason to be in either.. atleast Iraq really was a threat.

Kings Faithful
07-29-2008, 06:27 PM
Grega dude just tell me this. After living 8 long years with Bush do you feel like are country is better now or when Clinton was president? Clinton didn't have nearly as much obstacles to overcome (9/11, Hurricane Katrina) and he still screwed it up royally.


If Mccain is elected, all the dumbass middle class Americans who voted for him wouldn't be able to survive with the state of the current recession and regret every minute of their decision. Obama has a much better chance to get us out of the shyt hole we are in.

Think you need to go shove a c**k up your throat You ignorant piece of *****. Im sorry! we should just vote for Obama so we can give the lower class a free parking card and tax the hell out of the rich. Then guess what happens, immigrants pour over here more than ever because it will be easier to make a living more than ever...then the prisons crowd up because of the population increase. Where do you get off calling the middle class dumb assess. God you people make me sick. Close this thread now. Its only gonna get worse.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:29 PM
Way too many young lives lost and for what??

In Afghanistan to shut down terrorist training camps.. I'm not as sold on Iraq, only because we went about it wrong.. We didn't fight to WIN we fought to look good publicly.. in doing so we looked bad, and allowed insurgents to take over the country for a long time.. as of now I think we have Iraq under control.. Lets not discount the fact that Iraq was a threat... they shot at our planes on patrols numerous times, and did have a formidable WMD stock pile... they also kept the nuclear inspectors from inspecting their uranium enrichment processes...

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:33 PM
Clinton didn't have nearly as much obstacles to overcome (9/11, Hurricane Katrina) and he still screwed it up royally.



Think you need to go shove a c**k up your throat You ignorant piece of *****. Im sorry! we should just vote for Obama so we can give the lower class a free parking card and tax the hell out of the rich. Then guess what happens, immigrants pour over here more than ever because it will be easier to make a living more than ever...then the prisons crowd up because of the population increase. Where do you get off calling the middle class dumb assess. God you people make me sick. Close this thread now. Its only gonna get worse.

Dude you are the only one who has been calling people names, if anything they should ban you. First of all, the middle class is the majority of Americans. Second my family will be 'forced' to pay those taxes, I'm not *****ing and pouting over it like you because I no what this country has given us and it and the citizens of this country deserve a prosperous country. Lastly, immigrants is America so you need to stfu.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:35 PM
Dude you are the only one who has been calling people names, if anything they should ban you. First of all, the middle class is the majority of Americans. Second my family will be 'forced' to pay those taxes, I'm not *****ing and pouting over it like you because I no what this country has given us and it and the citizens of this country deserve a prosperous country. Lastly, immigrants is America so you need to stfu.
Legal immigrants "are" America, and as an American you should realize it is your civic duty to keep from paying as much taxes as you can.. I hope you realize taxation is the reason we revolted in the first place..
I do agree with what you said about name calling though, it's kinda rediculous.. One question though by "MY Family" do you mean you earn enough wages to pay a fair amount of taxes? like you have kids a house a job etc etc.. or do you mean your parents?

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:35 PM
oops forgot to Quote
ROX said: Grega dude just tell me this. After living 8 long years with Bush do you feel like are country is better now or when Clinton was president?

Clinton, (we are safer now than we were then though) however Obama is no Clinton.. Clinton knew what he was doing and was an excellent domestic president.. his foreign policy was... ehhh.. Bush however gets blamed for alot only because of this war and that is unfair.. The energy crisis has been a long time coming (10 or 15 ys atleast) and the economy is in a bit of a recession now (mainly due to energy) but it has been strong every since it rebounded post- 9/11.. so to recap.. domestically better with clinton, foreign safer with bush.. Lets not forget Clinton got us into 3 conflicts (Kosovo, Bosnia, Somalia) that we had no reason to be in either.. atleast Iraq really was a threat.

I just wanna say I absolutely respect your opinion but was Iraq really a threat? You of all people should know if it was or wasn't and yes I probably don't no shyt compared to what you no and have experienced. But tell me if I'm wrong: We went into Iraq for WMD's, found none, and ended up killing a man who has done US no wrong. I'm not saying he was a bad man, I'm saying he wasn't the one who caused 9/11.

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:37 PM
Legal immigrants "are" America, and as an American you should realize it is your civic duty to keep from paying as much taxes as you can.. I hope you realize taxation is the reason we revolted in the first place..

And taxes is what keep this country alive or we wouldn't be able to support such a expensive war. Wait nvm we still can't we are shyt in debt.

But yea wanting to be an american citizen comes with a price, idk how many illegal immigrants have been able to live the 'American Dream' without having papers.

And parents, half of their yearly earnings goes to taxes, so if anyone has a reason to bytch it would be them, yet they don't.

Jay22Redd
07-29-2008, 06:38 PM
James could do better with his money, is he looking for a pat on the back here or something. If we wanted to do something with it, give it to charity and that can help children and famalies in need. I can tell you something, Obama does not need the endrosement of Lebron James, He has so many people behind him of far greater importance that actually can make a difference. Heck look at what Oprah donated to him and his cause...

First, OBAMA 08' for Change

Now, Lebron does give money to charity, help children and FAMILIES (hope you mistaken the a key and i key on your keyboard). He even gives back to policemen, when he donated the bikes. Lebron doesnt want a pat on the back, he actually wants to help because he knows that people need it and it doesnt hurt for Obama to have an extra 20k. And now Oprah. Of course she can donate alot more than Lebron. Lebron is a millionaire, while Oprah is a BILLIONAIRE. He didnt have to donate anything if he didnt want to.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:48 PM
And taxes is what keep this country alive or we wouldn't be able to support such a expensive war. Wait nvm we still can't we are shyt in debt.

But yea wanting to be an american citizen comes with a price, idk how many illegal immigrants have been able to live the 'American Dream' without having papers.

And parents, half of their yearly earnings goes to taxes, so if anyone has a reason to bytch it would be them, yet they don't.

if you would have read my first post you would have seen this link... which i admit was pretty wordy.. it shows we did find WMDs in Iraq in the form of alot of chemical weapons..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

as far as imigrants living the american dream, that is relative.. their american dream and a natural born american citizens dream are usually completely different... they dream of living with freedom to have the discussions we're having here without reprisal from their government, they dream of not living in their own feces and having clean water.. so in their eyes they are living the american dream.. as far as your parents taxes, if they don't mind paying them than good on them, but as a Married man with 2 kids who earns a military paycheck (not much) I think any increase in taxes is bad.. especially with the amount of those taxes that would go to social programs for people who usually abuse the system..

grega1976
07-29-2008, 06:51 PM
just to add on, the first income tax wasn't even enacted until 1862, so we did just fine without income tax.. you've just been brainwashed by our government into thinking that we need income tax to survive as a country.. it did not become a permanent fixture until 1913

Rox07
07-29-2008, 06:51 PM
Grega I completely agree w/ the immigrants thing. But w/ the wmd's, I'm sure we could find them in many countries including ours. And for us to tell other countries to get rid of it while we aren't isn't gonna fly w/ anyone.

grega1976
07-29-2008, 07:25 PM
Grega I completely agree w/ the immigrants thing. But w/ the wmd's, I'm sure we could find them in many countries including ours. And for us to tell other countries to get rid of it while we aren't isn't gonna fly w/ anyone.

My last post on this, and then I am done... The whole world is for regulating WMD's especially in the form of Nuclear weapons. That is the reason that there are UN Nuclear Weapons Inspectors.. It does fly with almost everyone that is the reason these inspectors exist.. and of course we have WMD's so do alot of other countries Russia, China, N. Korea, Isreal, England, France, Germany, Iran, just to name a few.. the thing is when you mix WMD's with threats of use it's not good, and is very unsettling.. Iraq used Chemical Weapons on its own people, and against Iran.. therefore they are not really responsible enough in the worlds eyes to have these weapons..

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
07-29-2008, 07:27 PM
Good for him he has millions of dollars he should share..:p

fairandbalanced
07-29-2008, 09:38 PM
you're completely entitled to you oppinion, however you should educate yourself a little before you belittle someone for theirs..
First off I am a soldier, and have been to Iraq.. The thousands of soldiers have not died for a lost cause. Iraqi people are free from the fear of a brutal dictator who used chemical weapons on his own people. Since the troop surge the fighting in Iraq is almost non existant.. Oh and since you're just one of the SHEEPLE that the media has brainwashed, maybe you should look at the number of service member deaths during peace time and compare it to the number of service member deaths that are occuring now.. http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/003564.html
here is a link to get you started.. If you are too lazy to read it, it will show you that even though we are fighting a 2 front war, our number of military personell killed is only very slightly higher than it was from 1980-Bush's first term... those numbers are even closer now since the rate of American casualties has dropped considerably. The news didn't tell you that though did it... Another thing you failed to mention was that Democrats also backed the war with Iraq, which was supposedly "sold" to them thru false intelligence pertaining to Iraq's WMDs... However we did find very large amounts of WMD's in Iraq.. did you see the liberal media report this, probably not.. here is a link to that as well..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
About the abortion thing I applaude the other poster for believing firmly in something and standing by his moral convictions.. Not only is Obama for abortion, but also for partial birth abortion.. If you're not aware of what that is you should look it up.. it's wonderful.. you know sometimes the fetus lives through the abortion process, in these instances they take the living breathing child and isolate it.. it lives on it's own till it dies of dehydration/hunger from lack of care.. Obama who believes in health care for all, voted against requiring health care for aborted fetusus that survive the abortion process... these are no longer fetus, but infants... here is a diagram that shows how the partial birth abortion happens... its quite a humane thing to shove scissors into the little skull and suck the childs brains out..
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html
oh you should follow the link that shows the actual illustrations from the how to..... its great.. If you are so outraged by the deaths of living soldiers, why are you not outraged by the deaths of living infants?

If you're worried about brutal dictators, you will be in Sudan. You're a soldier with a low IQ. The Iraq war basically made us beggars, we had to borrow from China, value of Dollar fall, Gas prices rise, thousands of soilders and million iraqis dead...now tell me, is that worth it just because of a dictator? Bush told us WMD's not dictators.

awesomeovie8
07-29-2008, 10:03 PM
I don't get why everyone is in love with Obama. He hasn't done anything to prove himself except make promises he can't keep! Everyone just wants to vote for Obama so they can say they aren't racist. He is the most liberal presidential candidate ever.

wow i guess that wasnt jimmy carter. but is a liberal pres that bad after such a conservative one?

awesomeovie8
07-29-2008, 10:05 PM
My last post on this, and then I am done... The whole world is for regulating WMD's especially in the form of Nuclear weapons. That is the reason that there are UN Nuclear Weapons Inspectors.. It does fly with almost everyone that is the reason these inspectors exist.. and of course we have WMD's so do alot of other countries Russia, China, N. Korea, Isreal, England, France, Germany, Iran, just to name a few.. the thing is when you mix WMD's with threats of use it's not good, and is very unsettling.. Iraq used Chemical Weapons on its own people, and against Iran.. therefore they are not really responsible enough in the worlds eyes to have these weapons..

only one country has used a nuclear weapon? what is that place called? u.s. or something?

Gmen824
07-29-2008, 10:10 PM
20g's is sumthin lite.

Jimmy3702
07-29-2008, 10:12 PM
OBAMA has no standards. He will say whatever it takes to get into office.

grega1976
07-30-2008, 11:42 PM
only one country has used a nuclear weapon? what is that place called? u.s. or something?

you're right, we should have had a long drawn out war with Japan and lost 200,000 more soldiers... that would have been better..

grega1976
07-30-2008, 11:43 PM
If you're worried about brutal dictators, you will be in Sudan. You're a soldier with a low IQ. The Iraq war basically made us beggars, we had to borrow from China, value of Dollar fall, Gas prices rise, thousands of soilders and million iraqis dead...now tell me, is that worth it just because of a dictator? Bush told us WMD's not dictators.

Ok well first I don't make policy, so I can't just go and fight a war in Sudan.. Secondly I'm pretty sure my IQ is not low or else I wouldn't be able to qualify for the job I have.. Third the war had very little effect on gas prices. The increase in gas prices is directly related to supply and demand.. China, India, and several other newly industrialized countries have created such a demand for oil that OPEC is not keeping up with the demand as they should.. I'm sure since your IQ is so much higher than mine you already knew this though...
There have not been "millions of Iraqi's" killed as you said.. As far as WMD's in Iraq we found plenty.. if you read my post it gives a link to a report where we found over 500 WMD's in the form of chemical weapons.. Oh and incase you didn't know Hanz Blix (sp) and the UN Nuclear Inspectors provided us intelligence that Iraq had an operational Nuclear weapons program... So it wasn't just Bush or the United States that felt that Iraq was a threat..

Rox07
07-30-2008, 11:49 PM
I wrote a research paper on the War in Iraq and from the beginning of the war to 2006 about 600,000 Iraqi's died.

Rox07
07-30-2008, 11:53 PM
My last post on this, and then I am done... The whole world is for regulating WMD's especially in the form of Nuclear weapons. That is the reason that there are UN Nuclear Weapons Inspectors.. It does fly with almost everyone that is the reason these inspectors exist.. and of course we have WMD's so do alot of other countries Russia, China, N. Korea, Isreal, England, France, Germany, Iran, just to name a few.. the thing is when you mix WMD's with threats of use it's not good, and is very unsettling.. Iraq used Chemical Weapons on its own people, and against Iran.. therefore they are not really responsible enough in the worlds eyes to have these weapons..

The UN is like my appendix, it doesn't do shyt. If I remember correctly N. Korea said they had wmd's that could reach America but we never went there because the nonexistent wmd's in Iraq were more important.

DenButsu
07-30-2008, 11:54 PM
There's a place at PSD to discuss politics.

It's called

ELECTION CENTER 2008 (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=366)


This is closed.