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aman_13
07-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Toronto Raptors vs Philadelphia 76ers

Which team do you think will finish higher in the standings?

Lets assume that both Jermaine O'neal and Elton Brand stay healthy.

lakers4sho
07-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Toronto Raptors - they have a slightly better bench.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 03:38 PM
Raps because of the edges at multiple positions. Plus we have no idea if iggy is back in phili.

BigEric
07-28-2008, 03:38 PM
The Raptors.

RapsFan4Life
07-28-2008, 03:41 PM
raptors .. let me break it down ...
center Sam or Jermain ..
as long as Jermain can stay healthy its an easy pick, quicker feet better post moves spreads the floor a bit more grabs just as many boards and blocks but a much better help defender and overall talent
PF ... although brand is spectacular at what he does and maybe a bit tougher then bosh, there is no way i would rather have elton on my team, bosh .. who is only getting better can dominate quickeness, hieght, length, and overall mental toughness better reliability and more versitile plus he is very athletic and runs the floor like a deer, bosh is unstoppable when his 16 foot jumper is dropping, needs a double team to stop him, were as elton can only beat you with toughness, if we put JO on elton for defense, consider elton useless
SF .. jamario vs Iggy
Iggy has to take this stop a monster in the open floor, however he will have to earn his points against the high flying moon, moon can creat turnovers which iggy loves to do .. throw the ball at the other team ... and jamario can play the passing lanes with his length and athletism Iggy will definetly be botherd but still put up 20 points
SG.. willie vs AP
both players are good roll players and neither will have a big impact in the game, AP is a more clutch player who has nice defense and can spread the floor .. so he wins it but not by much
pg ... jose vs andre ..
miller can get greedy although not often he isnt a great pg were jose who is young athletic and can shoot the lights out is a pass first make his team mates better guard with amazing ball handeling and low turn overs he can control the game

raptors will win

Jay22Redd
07-28-2008, 03:52 PM
im going with the sixers

JordansBulls
07-28-2008, 04:05 PM
Depends on if Iggy is still around.

SeoulBeatz
07-28-2008, 04:13 PM
Too close to call IMO.

Assuming everyone stays healthy and my Sixers resign Iguodala and Miller

C: Jermaine Oneal is wayyy better than Dalembert will ever be. But Dalembert has slightly better defense. Matchup: O'neal wins in a landslide

PF: Bosh and Brand. Bosh is a great finesse player, and brand is a great power player. What Brand lacks in quickness he makes up for in power and he also has a midrange game which people forget. Bosh is smooth but sometimes gets pushed around in the post, but is a stellar PF and rising star. Matchup: Even

SF: Moon and Thaddeus Young: Moon is a freak of an athelte who can dunk and block shots. But he's nothing more than a poor mans J Smoove. Thaddeus Young has a great overall game and should be starting this year. He has range out to three and dominated the summer league. He also played well in the playoffs. Matchup: Thaddeus Young wins.

SG: Anthony Parker v.s Andre Iguodala: Parker is a very steady 3 point threat who can explode on any given day, but Iguodala is a rising star who averaged 20, 5, 4 and 2 steals last year. Matchup: Iguodala wins in a landslide.

PG: Jose Calderon v.s Andre Miller: The two most underrated point guards in the NBA. Jose is a great passer and his assist to turnover ratio is outrageous. Andre Miller is more of a scoring point and averaged 17 and 7 last year. Both mean a lot to their team. Matchup: Even


Benches

Philadelphia: Lou Williams (averaged most points off the bench in East last year), Willie Green (started last year, good bunch scorer), Kareem Rush (3 point specialist), Reggie Evans (hustle guy), Jason Smith (finesse center), Marreese Speights (Rasheed Wallace type PF, dont believe me? youtube him).

Toronto: Kapono (lights out 3 point specialist), Bargnani (still has potential), Joe Graham (good overall player), Kris Humphries (solid big, limited minutes), Hassan Adams (potential bunch scorer), Nathan Jawai (wont contribute in near future), Roko Ukic (neither will he).


Benches: Even


it really is too close to call in my book.

but of course i voted sixers cus im from Philly

AFlagRules
07-28-2008, 04:22 PM
Too close to call IMO.

Assuming everyone stays healthy and my Sixers resign Iguodala and Miller

C: Jermaine Oneal is wayyy better than Dalembert will ever be. But Dalembert has slightly better defense. Matchup: O'neal wins in a landslide

PF: Bosh and Brand. Bosh is a great finesse player, and brand is a great power player. What Brand lacks in quickness he makes up for in power and he also has a midrange game which people forget. Bosh is smooth but sometimes gets pushed around in the post, but is a stellar PF and rising star. Matchup: Even

SF: Moon and Thaddeus Young: Moon is a freak of an athelte who can dunk and block shots. But he's nothing more than a poor mans J Smoove. Thaddeus Young has a great overall game and should be starting this year. He has range out to three and dominated the summer league. He also played well in the playoffs. Matchup: Thaddeus Young wins.

SG: Anthony Parker v.s Andre Iguodala: Parker is a very steady 3 point threat who can explode on any given day, but Iguodala is a rising star who averaged 20, 5, 4 and 2 steals last year. Matchup: Iguodala wins in a landslide.

PG: Jose Calderon v.s Andre Miller: The two most underrated point guards in the NBA. Jose is a great passer and his assist to turnover ratio is outrageous. Andre Miller is more of a scoring point and averaged 17 and 7 last year. Both mean a lot to their team. Matchup: Even


Benches

Philadelphia: Lou Williams (averaged most points off the bench in East last year), Willie Green (started last year, good bunch scorer), Kareem Rush (3 point specialist), Reggie Evans (hustle guy), Jason Smith (finesse center), Marreese Speights (Rasheed Wallace type PF, dont believe me? youtube him).

Toronto: Kapono (lights out 3 point specialist), Bargnani (still has potential), Joe Graham (good overall player), Kris Humphries (solid big, limited minutes), Hassan Adams (potential bunch scorer), Nathan Jawai (wont contribute in near future), Roko Ukic (neither will he).


Benches: Even


it really is too close to call in my book.

but of course i voted sixers cus im from Philly


I can agree with most of that except for Dalembert being a better defender than O'Neal and Calderon/Miller being even. Bargnani (still has potential) - I'm sure the whole 76ers orginization would rather him over anyone on the bench.

NBAkYD
07-28-2008, 04:31 PM
Id rather have Lou that Bargnani

MJRiley26
07-28-2008, 04:46 PM
This is a very good question that may not be accurately answered until something tragic or miraculous happens to either team throughout the course of the season. Perhaps a major injury or a surprise contribution from a player that is currently under the radar.
Although I am a Sixers fan, I feel they still have a lot to prove; therefore, as of right now I will say the Raptors. The Sixers have the ability to be better but I need to see what they learned from the playoffs and if their three-point shooting has improved.

lovingTO
07-28-2008, 04:48 PM
It's close because these are two very good teams. I look forward to watching them battle this year. If I had to choose though, I'd take the raptors.

hockeypro68
07-28-2008, 04:48 PM
Calderon=Miller
Kapono, Moon, Parker<Iguodala, Young
O'neal=Brand
Bosh>Dalembert

The raptors are going to be the higher seed in my opinion. I think a lot of people are overrating the 6ers. Yes I'm bitter about EB, but still. Philadelphia is a botton 4 seed without question, but as far as being matched up with the Raptors, its really close.

lovingTO
07-28-2008, 04:49 PM
Id rather have Lou that Bargnani

I know this is your opinion and that's fine, but you're on drugs.

qwestion13
07-28-2008, 04:53 PM
Wow, this is very close. I'm going with the biased pick and picking Philly, but honestly you could make a case for either team.

Who would have thought the Atlantic Division would be so competetitive all of a sudden?

If there is one thing the NBA truly lacks, it's legitimate rivalries. I have always hated the Raptors, ever since VC wore purple. The Sixers and Raptors have had some good games the last few years and now they are both legitimate contenders. Of course there is Boston who is perpretually hated and a great team, but don't forget NJ has made some significant moves this year that may make them a playoff teams and also help them land LBJ in 2010.

Add all of this to the fact that Isiah is now out of NY, and the Knicks are ready to tear this team apart and push for 2010. With such a big market, the Knicks could easily become contenders in a short amount of time.
All of a sudden, it's looking like the Atlantic Division is in the top tier of competitive divisions.

qwestion13
07-28-2008, 04:57 PM
I know this is your opinion and that's fine, but you're on drugs.

On drugs? That's a totally legitimate statement. Lou has done more in this league than Bargnani. Look up their season stats. In the same amount of time, they averaged nearly the same amount of points and Lou everaged only one less rebound (which is embarassing). Lou has a higher FG% too.

SeoulBeatz
07-28-2008, 05:03 PM
I can agree with most of that except for Dalembert being a better defender than O'Neal and Calderon/Miller being even. Bargnani (still has potential) - I'm sure the whole 76ers orginization would rather him over anyone on the bench.


1) dalembert IS a better defender than O'Neal. O'Neal is notorious for getting dunked on and being weak with the post d. Dalembert was 3rd in the NBA in bpg while opposing C's averaged 10.7 ppg against him while opposing players averaged 14.3 ppg against J.O, nuff said.


2) Miller and Calderon ARE even. Calderon is a great passer, but his scoring cannot compare to that of millers. Both mean a lot to their team. If u need further proof.

lets compare the head to head games between calderon and miller this past season.

Jan 19
Miller: 20 points, 2 bounds, 5,assists 3 steals
Calderon: 8 points, 1 rebound, 11 assits, 2 steals

Nov 9
Miller: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Calderon: 9 points, 0 rebunds, 7 assists, 0 steals

October 31
Miller: 16 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, 0 steals
Calderon: 13 points, 1 rebounds, 4 assists, 0 steals


3) No, Id much rather have Lou Will and Speights over Bargnani.

Lou Will is 2 years younger and was key to our success and can explode any given night.
Bargnani is yet to live up to his potential and is soft.
And Speights has just as much if not more potential than Bargnani.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 05:03 PM
On drugs? That's a totally legitimate statement. Lou has done more in this league than Bargnani. Look up their season stats. In the same amount of time, they averaged nearly the same amount of points and Lou everaged only one less rebound (which is embarassing). Lou has a higher FG% too.

No it is legit, They may have similar stats but thats not everything. What player is more unique to have on your bench as your sixth man, a 7'0 PF who can put the ball on the floor and attack the rim and hit a 3 from the outside. Who just happens to also cause a match up nightmare for any player he is playing against. Or a SG like williams, who is essentially a dime a dozen, nothing special really, SG's like him just score in some bunches. Plus Bargnani has potential with his game to be a star, its a bit quick to write him off after one bad season.. come on.. On potential alone any team would rather have Bargnani than williams.. it aint even close buddy.

AirHead50
07-28-2008, 05:03 PM
It's really close, but I'm going with the Sixers. It should be a interesting battle between these two teams seeing that they're evenly matched in a lot of ways. Still I never would've thought that the East was going to be this competitive. I'm just praying that the Detroit pistons doesn't get Josh Smith...

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 05:07 PM
this is just stupid anyway cause the raps and sixers fans have an unreal bias and none is being fair to the others team...Its just an impossible argument between the fans of two teams essentially.

aman_13
07-28-2008, 05:10 PM
1) dalembert IS a better defender than O'Neal. O'Neal is notorious for getting dunked on and being weak with the post d. Dalembert was 3rd in the NBA in bpg while opposing C's averaged 10.7 ppg against him while opposing players averaged 14.3 ppg against J.O, nuff said.


2) Miller and Calderon ARE even. Calderon is a great passer, but his scoring cannot compare to that of millers. Both mean a lot to their team. If u need further proof.

lets compare the head to head games between calderon and miller this past season.

Jan 19
Miller: 20 points, 2 bounds, 5,assists 3 steals
Calderon: 8 points, 1 rebound, 11 assits, 2 steals

Nov 9
Miller: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Calderon: 9 points, 0 rebunds, 7 assists, 0 steals

October 31
Miller: 16 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, 0 steals
Calderon: 13 points, 1 rebounds, 4 assists, 0 steals


3) No, Id much rather have Lou Will and Speights over Bargnani.

Lou Will is 2 years younger and was key to our success and can explode any given night.
Bargnani is yet to live up to his potential and is soft.
And Speights has just as much if not more potential than Bargnani.

Can't really compare stats like that because Calderon likely played less minutes, he was a back-up for most of the season.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 05:11 PM
1) dalembert IS a better defender than O'Neal. O'Neal is notorious for getting dunked on and being weak with the post d. Dalembert was 3rd in the NBA in bpg while opposing C's averaged 10.7 ppg against him while opposing players averaged 14.3 ppg against J.O, nuff said.


2) Miller and Calderon ARE even. Calderon is a great passer, but his scoring cannot compare to that of millers. Both mean a lot to their team. If u need further proof.

lets compare the head to head games between calderon and miller this past season.

Jan 19
Miller: 20 points, 2 bounds, 5,assists 3 steals
Calderon: 8 points, 1 rebound, 11 assits, 2 steals

Nov 9
Miller: 15 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal
Calderon: 9 points, 0 rebunds, 7 assists, 0 steals

October 31
Miller: 16 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, 0 steals
Calderon: 13 points, 1 rebounds, 4 assists, 0 steals


3) No, Id much rather have Lou Will and Speights over Bargnani.

Lou Will is 2 years younger and was key to our success and can explode any given night.
Bargnani is yet to live up to his potential and is soft.
And Speights has just as much if not more potential than Bargnani.


You took the stats from JO's injury plagued season. Congrads what has he done the other six years he was on an allstar on the defensive end. He was a force that every team feared, no one wanted to take it at him because they knew they would have to alter their shot or get the ball jammed back down their throat.

Plus the miller-calderon matchup idea has no credibility what so ever. Only one of those 3 games he was the starter and played starters minutes. Of course Miller's numbers would look nicer that game. This is what im talking about when i say bias.. Its happening right here. Im not saying I dont have one cause I do but you ignored something completly which just aint right.

North Yorker
07-28-2008, 05:38 PM
Calderon= 50%FG, over 40% from 3, over 90% from the line. Those are Nash-like numbers and he hasn't even reached his prime...

yea i'd take Calderon over Miller.

qwestion13
07-28-2008, 05:42 PM
I would take Calderon over Miller too, but I would like to see him play a full season as a starter first. Miller's career numbers have been great, truly one of the most under-appreciated players in the league.

sanfranfan1210
07-28-2008, 11:36 PM
I think it will be the raptors