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reevanson
07-27-2008, 09:06 PM
SI.com's Ian Thomsen gave his early East and West ranking he put the Raps in 6th in the East.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/07/25/weekly.countdown/index.html?eref=T1

Here are my East Rankings:

1. Boston
2. Detriot
3. Toronto
4. Orlando
5. Philly
6. Cleveland
7. Washington
8. Chicago
9. Indiana
10. Atlanta
11. New Jersey
12. Milwaukee
13. Miami
14. Charlotte
15. New York

Give us your ranking!

RaPToR_FeVeR
07-27-2008, 09:31 PM
--== EASTERN CONFERENCE ==--

Regular Standings
1. Toronto
2. Boston
3. Orlando
4. Detriot
5. Washington
6. Cleveland
7. Philly
8. Indiana
9. Chicago
10. Milwaukee
11. New Jersey
12. Atlanta
13. Miami
14. Charlotte
15. New York

Quarter Finals
Toronto def. Indiana
Boston def. Philly
Cleveland def. Orlando
Washington def. Detroit

Semi Finals
Toronto def. Washington
Boston def. Cleveland

Finals
Boston def. Toronto

The Wise 1
07-27-2008, 09:43 PM
Here are my East Rankings:

1. Boston
2. Detriot
3. Orlando
4. Philly
5. Washington
6. Toronto
7. Cleveland
8. Indiana
9. Atlanta
10. Chicago
11. Miami
12. Milwaukee
13. Charlotte
14. New York
15. New Jersey

flyboy193
07-27-2008, 10:14 PM
MAn all yah raptors fan need to be realistic toronto is not better than boston, and philly or detroit(if they dont trade their staters)

gbus
07-27-2008, 10:21 PM
I think New Jersey is going to be alot better than some people think, even if they keep Vince and feature him as the main guy in their offence. They've picked up alot of what i will call "decent" players, they have some good depth now. It's kind of like two summers ago when Colangelo didn't get the Raps any big names, but he picked up some good players who turned around the culture of the team and turned us into a playoff team. I think the Nets will make the playoffs. Now of course, they won't deep into playoffs, unless they get rid of Vince, but i think it's kind of wacky to predict them to finish last in the conference.

Raptors27
07-27-2008, 10:21 PM
MAn all yah raptors fan need to be realistic toronto is not better than boston, and philly or detroit(if they dont trade their staters)

We are just as good as Philly but def not better than Boston or Detroit even tho Detroit is getting old.

Countdown
07-27-2008, 11:29 PM
By actual records assuming everyone is healthy
1. Boston, 58-62 wins
2. Philly, 55 wins
3. Toronto, 53 wins
4. Orlando, 52 wins
5. Detriot, 51 wins(assuming either Billups/Wallace/Hamilton leaves)
6. Washington, 48 wins
7. Cleveland, 46 wins
8. Indiana, 37 wins
9. Miami
10. Chicago
11. Atlanta (if Josh Smith flies the coop)
12. Charlotte
13. Milwaukee
14. New Jersey
15. New York

By playoff standings
1. Boston, 58-63 wins
2. Philly, 55 wins
3. Orlando, 52 wins
4. Detroit, 51 wins
5. Toronto, 53 wins
6. Washington, 48 wins
7. Cleveland, 46 wins
8. Indiana, 37 wins

East 1st round
1. Boston(4-1)
8. Indiana

2.Philly(4-2)
7.Cleveland

3. Orlando
6. Washington(4-3)

4. Detroit
5. Toronto(4-2)

East Semi-Finals
1. Boston(4-2)
5. Toronto

2. Philly(4-3)
6. Washington

East Finals
1. Boston
2. Philly(4-3)

Any Thoughts?

Bramaca
07-27-2008, 11:48 PM
Here are my East Rankings:

1. Boston
2. Cleveland
3. Orlando
4. Detroit
5. Philly
6. Toronto
7. Washington
8. Chicago
9. Atlanta
10. Indiana
11. Milwaukee
12. New York
13. Miami
14. Charlotte
15. New Jersey

I still have Detroit ranked pretty high but I think this my be the year where things start to fall apart for the team and they may unload some people before the trade deadline. I could see Atlanta or Milwaukee putting together a good year and moving into the playoffs instead.

cdnsportsfan
07-28-2008, 12:09 AM
1. Boston - not going anywhere
2. Detroit - see above
3. Orlando
4. Toronto - either here or 5
5. Philly - either here or 4
6. Washington
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Indiana
10. Chicago
11. Miami
12. New Jersey
13. Milwaukee
14. Charlotte
15. New York

I think the Raps and Sixers fight for 4th, the Atlantic is tough this season the teams will beat up on each other and not allow anyone move past one of the division winners. I think the Raps have the edge over Philly but the Sixers really improved with Brand so it'll be tough.

Wizards will be a team to watch out for, and no idea who's taking the last playoff spot it'll be tight. Realistically the Celts, Pistons and Magic have 1,2,& 3 locked up once again.

reevanson
07-28-2008, 12:56 AM
By actual records assuming everyone is healthy
1. Boston, 58-62 wins
2. Philly, 55 wins
3. Toronto, 53 wins
4. Orlando, 52 wins
5. Detriot, 51 wins(assuming either Billups/Wallace/Hamilton leaves)
6. Washington, 48 wins
7. Cleveland, 46 wins
8. Indiana, 37 wins
9. Miami
10. Chicago
11. Atlanta (if Josh Smith flies the coop)
12. Charlotte
13. Milwaukee
14. New Jersey
15. New York

By playoff standings
1. Boston, 58-63 wins
2. Philly, 55 wins
3. Orlando, 52 wins
4. Detroit, 51 wins
5. Toronto, 53 wins
6. Washington, 48 wins
7. Cleveland, 46 wins
8. Indiana, 37 wins

East 1st round
1. Boston(4-1)
8. Indiana

2.Philly(4-2)
7.Cleveland

3. Orlando
6. Washington(4-3)

4. Detroit
5. Toronto(4-2)

East Semi-Finals
1. Boston(4-2)
5. Toronto

2. Philly(4-3)
6. Washington

East Finals
1. Boston
2. Philly(4-3)

Any Thoughts?

great post, I think it is going to be very crowded at the top and this is definately not the Leasten Conference anymore!

hades
07-28-2008, 04:42 AM
MAn all yah raptors fan need to be realistic toronto is not better than boston, and philly or detroit(if they dont trade their staters)

tse.. and u gotta realize philly is no better than the raptors.

huidogg
07-28-2008, 06:03 AM
--== EASTERN CONFERENCE ==--

Regular Standings
1. Toronto
2. Boston
3. Orlando
4. Detriot
5. Washington
6. Cleveland
7. Philly
8. Indiana
9. Chicago
10. Milwaukee
11. New Jersey
12. Atlanta
13. Miami
14. Charlotte
15. New York

Quarter Finals
Toronto def. Indiana
Boston def. Philly
Cleveland def. Orlando
Washington def. Detroit

Semi Finals
Toronto def. Washington
Boston def. Cleveland

Finals
Boston def. Toronto

hahahahahahahahhahaha, that is the funniest post I have ever heard so far since I join.. hahahahahaha.. it' one thing to be a raptor fan, but it' another thing ignorant fan.. hahaha.. face the reality fruit cake, i love the raptors myself, but there is NO WAY THAT they will end up 1st in the east.. i say they are around 4th to 6th

huidogg
07-28-2008, 06:05 AM
great post, I think it is going to be very crowded at the top and this is definately not the Leasten Conference anymore!

nah, toronto won't win 53 games, i say they win around 47 games. Trust me.. you guys r juz hoping for too much, if they don't performe, i will imagine you guys blaming tis player, tat player, tis coach, tat GM.

huidogg
07-28-2008, 06:08 AM
We are just as good as Philly but def not better than Boston or Detroit even tho Detroit is getting old.

well you need to remember that philly took the elite pistons to six games in the playoffs without Brand.. and in my mind, the brand addition is better than the JO addition.. and Philly got alot of young guns, so I say that philly will be better..

B2B
07-28-2008, 08:35 AM
Philly & Toronto r fairly equal but I give the edge to them because they r better defensively. We r better offensively & more efficient but in my opinion defence beats offence no matter how efficient. We need a defensive wing like Artest to go anywhere. We resolved our interior d with O'Neal but our perimeter d is still lacking unless Moons game reaches a whole new level, we will still have problems on the perimeter.

the life
07-28-2008, 09:31 AM
1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Detroit
4. Orlando
5. Milwaukee
6. Philly
7. Toronto
8. Washington
9. Chicago
10. New Jersey
11. New York
12. Indiana
13. Miami
14. Atlanta
15. Charlotte

AgentViet
07-28-2008, 09:41 AM
1. Boston
2. Orlando
3. Detroit
4. Toronto
5. Philadelphia
6. Cleveland
7. Washington
8. Atlanta
9. Miami
10. Chicago
11. Milwaukee
12. Charlotte
13. Indiana
14. New Jersey
15. New York

B2B
07-28-2008, 10:12 AM
Boston -60 win team that smoked the Lakers in the finals, team to beat
Philly - With Brand healthy & Young improving I can see them this high
Detroit - Still a top team
Toronto - Pending on our wing play
Washington - Solid team if Healthy
Orlando - Marginal improvement from last year
Cleveland - Lebron is a one man team but will coast in the regular season
Miami - With the return of Wade & addition of Beasley they could finish higher
Atlanta - With the loss of Childress & possibly Smith they could fall

Look out for Bucks they could be a surprise

Bogut/Gadzuric
CV/Allen
RJ/Mason/Alexander
Redd/Ivey
Williams/Sessions

reevanson
07-28-2008, 11:13 AM
hahahahahahahahhahaha, that is the funniest post I have ever heard so far since I join.. hahahahahaha.. it' one thing to be a raptor fan, but it' another thing ignorant fan.. hahaha.. face the reality fruit cake, i love the raptors myself, but there is NO WAY THAT they will end up 1st in the east.. i say they are around 4th to 6th

Dude take it easy, eveyone is entitled to thier opinion. Jeff VanGundy put the raps top 3 in the east and I think I trust his opinion a little more that yours! And you really dont have to resort to name calling, *******....oops!

travesy3
07-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Orlando and maybe Cleveland will still finish better than Toronto and Philly, Toronto and Philly will be fighting for that 4-5 seeds, I hope we get the Sixers in the playoffs, bring back all the flashbacks.

_Sn1P3r_
07-28-2008, 01:03 PM
Orlando and maybe Cleveland will still finish better than Toronto and Philly, Toronto and Philly will be fighting for that 4-5 seeds, I hope we get the Sixers in the playoffs, bring back all the flashbacks.

Haha yea man. I hope this time we come up on top.

kenzo400
07-28-2008, 01:20 PM
Why does everybody keep underestimating Cleveland? Last year they played the best against the Celtics. They are the only team that went to 7 games and actually had a close 7th game.

B2B
07-28-2008, 01:41 PM
Why does everybody keep underestimating Cleveland? Last year they played the best against the Celtics. They are the only team that went to 7 games and actually had a close 7th game.

Atlanta took Boston to 7 games aswell.

huidogg
07-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Dude take it easy, eveyone is entitled to thier opinion. Jeff VanGundy put the raps top 3 in the east and I think I trust his opinion a little more that yours! And you really dont have to resort to name calling, *******....oops!


well u people all overestimated the raptors wayyyy too much.. i can't wait to see u guys flame on the raptors when they don't perform.. so please lower your expectations.. i love the raptors, but face the reality, they can't beat boston, detroit and hell they can't even beat the magic at this moment. I mean they will be solid next year, but nothing near the standards you guys put them into.. they still have MANY holes to fill in.. and wooo.. *******... wat an insulting name calling... and btw, you mean you trust jeff van gundy opinion a little more THAN mine.. not more 'that' yours... please check your spelling when you post, hard to understand you man.. if you have problems, using a dictionary will be a start! thanks~

mjt20mik
07-28-2008, 11:18 PM
well u people all overestimated the raptors wayyyy too much.. i can't wait to see u guys flame on the raptors when they don't perform.. so please lower your expectations.. i love the raptors, but face the reality, they can't beat boston, detroit and hell they can't even beat the magic at this moment. I mean they will be solid next year, but nothing near the standards you guys put them into.. they still have MANY holes to fill in.. and wooo.. *******... wat an insulting name calling... and btw, you mean you trust jeff van gundy opinion a little more THAN mine.. not more 'that' yours... please check your spelling when you post, hard to understand you man.. if you have problems, using a dictionary will be a start! thanks~

Woah. You guys need to calm down man. It's just a prediction, and people are intitled to their own opinion. Just as you feel they won't be great, some posters feel otherwise. In my opinion, they will range somewhere in between the 4-7 place in the Eastern Conference come playoffs.

AFlagRules
07-28-2008, 11:21 PM
The 76ers won't win 45 games this year.

Sig that!

EVERYONE puts Philadelphia SO HIGH!....THEY JUST SIGNED A GUY COMING OFF A NASTY LEG INJURY!...Its what some people don't get, that he could easily mess it up again or not even mix well with the rest of the team.

They also have to get the proper chemistry and everything going as well. The Raptors have been together for 3 seasons now. They had 47 wins 2 years ago with basically the same team (Minus O'Neal).

mjt20mik
07-28-2008, 11:24 PM
The 76ers won't win 45 games this year.

Sig that!

Actually, they might actually reach that. They have drastically improved their team, and have a pretty solid core.

raptors wiseguy
07-29-2008, 12:17 AM
well u people all overestimated the raptors wayyyy too much.. i can't wait to see u guys flame on the raptors when they don't perform.. so please lower your expectations.. i love the raptors, but face the reality, they can't beat boston, detroit and hell they can't even beat the magic at this moment. I mean they will be solid next year, but nothing near the standards you guys put them into.. they still have MANY holes to fill in.. and wooo.. *******... wat an insulting name calling... and btw, you mean you trust jeff van gundy opinion a little more THAN mine.. not more 'that' yours... please check your spelling when you post, hard to understand you man.. if you have problems, using a dictionary will be a start! thanks~

can u please fill me in on these holes? i can only think of the wing position..but other than that i think we are pretty solid in the post and at the pg positions

AirHead50
07-29-2008, 12:32 AM
Sixers will win at least 50 games, they improved a lot during the off season, so expect them to be in the top 5 in the east, maybe even the 4th seed.

argo
07-29-2008, 12:58 AM
boston
detroit
toronto
washington
orlando
cleveland
philly
chicago
atlanta
milwaukee
new york
charlotte
miami
indiana
new jersey

huidogg
07-30-2008, 02:52 AM
can u please fill me in on these holes? i can only think of the wing position..but other than that i think we are pretty solid in the post and at the pg positions

mm.. sure my pleasure..

1) the shooting guard posiiton - no offence to parker.. but he cant be your everyday starter if you want to compete against the top dogs in the east. People said he is a great defender, hell he let so many shooting guards past by him with ease. He is a good player.. bring u alot of energy, but he should be OFF the bench!

2) the small forward position- moon as the starting small forward???? i think you are intelligence enough to figure that he should NOT be a starting small forward if we want to compete against the elites.

3) Our PG situation - No offence, but you cannot say if our pg position is 'solid'. Sure, Jose might be solid but he can't play all the mins. And we never see Ukic play, and i honestly do not think he will be solid in his first year, he will be a great player, but player need to time to develop their games, like rondo turns out great after few years in the nba. We never see the ukic-jose combination, so it' way too early to judge if 'the pg position is solid'. To me, a vert backup point guard would be more helpful if we would want to compete against the top dogs.

4) Our bench... Bargani turns out to be a bust so far, kopono can't defend and he began to shoot 3s UNTIL IT' PLAYOFF TIME... who is adams??? ukic and jawaii is yet to be determine, mm.. humpries.. hahaha.. i think i speak for the people, no need to comment on joey.. mmm.. here u go, there is our bench.....

Overall, please don't get me wrong, i am not being negative.. but we need alot of work done as i pointed out, we need to imporve on our starting shooting guard, small forward.. sure moon and parker is good players but they don't have any specialities!!! don't tell me you think moon speciality is defense, u must remember how bad he got screwed by other wing players. Wing players killed us! And our bench is gotten worst. Mmm.. who do we replace delfino and rasho - two key players in our bench - Adams???? come on.. And lastly, i am alrite with signing Ukic, but please guide him with a 3rd PG who is Vet, instead of a guy who comes from europe and have very very little nba experience.

One thing i am very excited is Bosh - Oneal combination, i think tat sick.. but other than tat, we still need alot of work to do.. so please don't be satisfied ALREADY.. u guys will be just deeply disappointed!

Well i hope tis clear things up for u.. and please reply, looking forward!

huidogg
07-30-2008, 02:54 AM
Woah. You guys need to calm down man. It's just a prediction, and people are intitled to their own opinion. Just as you feel they won't be great, some posters feel otherwise. In my opinion, they will range somewhere in between the 4-7 place in the Eastern Conference come playoffs.

alrite, understand, i approgize if u think i flame.

pebloemer
07-30-2008, 09:34 AM
mm.. sure my pleasure..

1) the shooting guard posiiton - no offence to parker.. but he cant be your everyday starter if you want to compete against the top dogs in the east. People said he is a great defender, hell he let so many shooting guards past by him with ease. He is a good player.. bring u alot of energy, but he should be OFF the bench!

2) the small forward position- moon as the starting small forward???? i think you are intelligence enough to figure that he should NOT be a starting small forward if we want to compete against the elites.

3) Our PG situation - No offence, but you cannot say if our pg position is 'solid'. Sure, Jose might be solid but he can't play all the mins. And we never see Ukic play, and i honestly do not think he will be solid in his first year, he will be a great player, but player need to time to develop their games, like rondo turns out great after few years in the nba. We never see the ukic-jose combination, so it' way too early to judge if 'the pg position is solid'. To me, a vert backup point guard would be more helpful if we would want to compete against the top dogs.

4) Our bench... Bargani turns out to be a bust so far, kopono can't defend and he began to shoot 3s UNTIL IT' PLAYOFF TIME... who is adams??? ukic and jawaii is yet to be determine, mm.. humpries.. hahaha.. i think i speak for the people, no need to comment on joey.. mmm.. here u go, there is our bench.....

Overall, please don't get me wrong, i am not being negative.. but we need alot of work done as i pointed out, we need to imporve on our starting shooting guard, small forward.. sure moon and parker is good players but they don't have any specialities!!! don't tell me you think moon speciality is defense, u must remember how bad he got screwed by other wing players. Wing players killed us! And our bench is gotten worst. Mmm.. who do we replace delfino and rasho - two key players in our bench - Adams???? come on.. And lastly, i am alrite with signing Ukic, but please guide him with a 3rd PG who is Vet, instead of a guy who comes from europe and have very very little nba experience.

One thing i am very excited is Bosh - Oneal combination, i think tat sick.. but other than tat, we still need alot of work to do.. so please don't be satisfied ALREADY.. u guys will be just deeply disappointed!

Well i hope tis clear things up for u.. and please reply, looking forward!

First off: Yes we still have holes and yes expectations are high in T.O.
Second Off: We had holes last year too but enough assets to make a good season out of it. Expectations were high last year as well and many potential positives (eg. development of Bargnani and PG tandem) ended up a detriment to the team. But who else can Toronto place hopes in? Leafs? Jays? Until other T.O teams make some noise, the Raptors are Toronto's biggest hope.

In regards to your post:

SG Situation: I disagree, I think Parker can be your everyday starter at the SG position. Not every position needs to be filled with the best players and having a player who knows when to take his shots, is adequate defensively and helps the overall chemistry of your starting lineup does not hurt.

SF Situation: This is where we need work. The SG position would look a lot more solid if a good SF was placed beside Parker. Moon is not an adequate starter? I agree with that. Last year he became adequate because he nullified some of Bargnani's mistakes with his rebouding and shot blocking. He is adequate defensively, but better off has a help defender than a man to man defender. Kapono gives us the opposite, which is nice to have options but we need a player who can do more as a starter at the SF position. Totally agree with you assessment of a hole here.

PG Situation: "It is way too early to judge if the PG situation is solid." That was the point of your post and would be the point of mine. We'll call it a "
"potential hole"

Our Bench: Kapono has many flaws. Bargnani is still very unproven. Those would be our first two players off the bench (depending who starts at SF). It is hard not to agree with you here. That being said, Humphries can play solid energy minutes if needed. I have more faith in Adams than you (he'll bring some important grit, defense and athleticism). Ukic and Jawai are unproven. But Soloman may be a safer choice than you think. He is coming from different leagues, but he is coming as a veteran. He does not have the reputation of Garbajosa or Parker, but Garbo and Parker both came in to the NBA and learned quickly (I attribute this to age). I think he will be a dependable option. I have faith in our 8th, 9th and 10th men, but am skeptical about our 6th and 7th men. I think it is safe to call our bench unproven as well.

At any rate, the only thing I would say is a guaranteed hole is the SF position. There is potential for us to have holes on the bench and instability at PG but there is potential for us to get stability and consistency out of those positions too.

Three things to look for this season which will impact our record IMO:

1. Health - always a big factor for any team
2. PG stability, Wing consistency, and Bench Production - all of these are question marks for me
3. Chemistry - So we have many new players again. Everyone on the team seems happy to be on the team however and knows their role. We have respected stars and resolved conflicts. I don't see any problems arising here, but who knows. Jose, Bosh, Oneal and Parker are the leaders of this team. I don't see why they wouldn't get along or why other players would challenge them. Hopefully on court chemistry follows.

B2B
07-30-2008, 10:46 AM
First off: Yes we still have holes and yes expectations are high in T.O.
Second Off: We had holes last year too but enough assets to make a good season out of it. Expectations were high last year as well and many potential positives (eg. development of Bargnani and PG tandem) ended up a detriment to the team. But who else can Toronto place hopes in? Leafs? Jays? Until other T.O teams make some noise, the Raptors are Toronto's biggest hope.

In regards to your post:

SG Situation: I disagree, I think Parker can be your everyday starter at the SG position. Not every position needs to be filled with the best players and having a player who knows when to take his shots, is adequate defensively and helps the overall chemistry of your starting lineup does not hurt.

SF Situation: This is where we need work. The SG position would look a lot more solid if a good SF was placed beside Parker. Moon is not an adequate starter? I agree with that. Last year he became adequate because he nullified some of Bargnani's mistakes with his rebouding and shot blocking. He is adequate defensively, but better off has a help defender than a man to man defender. Kapono gives us the opposite, which is nice to have options but we need a player who can do more as a starter at the SF position. Totally agree with you assessment of a hole here.

PG Situation: "It is way too early to judge if the PG situation is solid." That was the point of your post and would be the point of mine. We'll call it a "
"potential hole"

Our Bench: Kapono has many flaws. Bargnani is still very unproven. Those would be our first two players off the bench (depending who starts at SF). It is hard not to agree with you here. That being said, Humphries can play solid energy minutes if needed. I have more faith in Adams than you (he'll bring some important grit, defense and athleticism). Ukic and Jawai are unproven. But Soloman may be a safer choice than you think. He is coming from different leagues, but he is coming as a veteran. He does not have the reputation of Garbajosa or Parker, but Garbo and Parker both came in to the NBA and learned quickly (I attribute this to age). I think he will be a dependable option. I have faith in our 8th, 9th and 10th men, but am skeptical about our 6th and 7th men. I think it is safe to call our bench unproven as well.

At any rate, the only thing I would say is a guaranteed hole is the SF position. There is potential for us to have holes on the bench and instability at PG but there is potential for us to get stability and consistency out of those positions too.

Three things to look for this season which will impact our record IMO:

1. Health - always a big factor for any team
2. PG stability, Wing consistency, and Bench Production - all of these are question marks for me
3. Chemistry - So we have many new players again. Everyone on the team seems happy to be on the team however and knows their role. We have respected stars and resolved conflicts. I don't see any problems arising here, but who knows. Jose, Bosh, Oneal and Parker are the leaders of this team. I don't see why they wouldn't get along or why other players would challenge them. Hopefully on court chemistry follows.

SF- Moon's ability to play defence makes him ok for this position. I say if you can play good d you can start, like Bowen. I rather start Moon's defence than Kapono's offence but we definitely need a player than can bring both, like Artest.

SG- Parker needs to be more aggressive and get to the line more but he can also pass as a starter, an upgrade in athleticism would be nice though.

lukeem21
07-30-2008, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks we need a great scorer to start at three... i think we're better off having a jamario moon a wing player that will demand shots, the ball attention and gauentee headaches for Bosh and Oneal....

Moon and Parker are both role players.. the whole point of role players are to compliment your stars... are bread and butter will be between Bosh, Oneal and Calderon.... Parker compliments that by being a great spot up shooter who never demands the ball and plays tough D... Moon is a defensive specialiast with a lot of potential in this area.... Kapono is perfect if teams are doubling up on Bosh and Oneal and giving them any problems... Then we've got a couple wildcards on the bench which will make the difference between just floating around the playoffs inside or outside not making any real threats though

if players like bargnani and Ukic/Solomon pan out or we get anything from Adams and Jawai then we could really make some noise

lukeem21
07-30-2008, 11:25 AM
theres only one ball so i'd rather have one team then 5 players on the court

deaner
07-30-2008, 02:50 PM
mm.. sure my pleasure..

1) the shooting guard posiiton - no offence to parker.. but he cant be your everyday starter if you want to compete against the top dogs in the east. People said he is a great defender, hell he let so many shooting guards past by him with ease. He is a good player.. bring u alot of energy, but he should be OFF the bench!

2) the small forward position- moon as the starting small forward???? i think you are intelligence enough to figure that he should NOT be a starting small forward if we want to compete against the elites.

3) Our PG situation - No offence, but you cannot say if our pg position is 'solid'. Sure, Jose might be solid but he can't play all the mins. And we never see Ukic play, and i honestly do not think he will be solid in his first year, he will be a great player, but player need to time to develop their games, like rondo turns out great after few years in the nba. We never see the ukic-jose combination, so it' way too early to judge if 'the pg position is solid'. To me, a vert backup point guard would be more helpful if we would want to compete against the top dogs.

4) Our bench... Bargani turns out to be a bust so far, kopono can't defend and he began to shoot 3s UNTIL IT' PLAYOFF TIME... who is adams??? ukic and jawaii is yet to be determine, mm.. humpries.. hahaha.. i think i speak for the people, no need to comment on joey.. mmm.. here u go, there is our bench.....

Overall, please don't get me wrong, i am not being negative.. but we need alot of work done as i pointed out, we need to imporve on our starting shooting guard, small forward.. sure moon and parker is good players but they don't have any specialities!!! don't tell me you think moon speciality is defense, u must remember how bad he got screwed by other wing players. Wing players killed us! And our bench is gotten worst. Mmm.. who do we replace delfino and rasho - two key players in our bench - Adams???? come on.. And lastly, i am alrite with signing Ukic, but please guide him with a 3rd PG who is Vet, instead of a guy who comes from europe and have very very little nba experience.

One thing i am very excited is Bosh - Oneal combination, i think tat sick.. but other than tat, we still need alot of work to do.. so please don't be satisfied ALREADY.. u guys will be just deeply disappointed!

Well i hope tis clear things up for u.. and please reply, looking forward!



Re: Parker.... if you look at his shooting stats, factor in his leadership and team first mentality... he fits very well on the team. He can start on my raptors most nights. We now have a new element/athletic slasher from the 2 which we have never had before. We are better at the SG.

Re: Adams... I'll disagree with you... if you look at the Nets team he was cut from... they were probably the strongest group going! Kid, Wince, and RJ... did you expect him to compete for a starting position? It was his current contract and the nets strength that added up to Adams leaving the team. I think he will be this years Moon... athletic competitor for a reasonable cost and will perform above our expectations.

Re: the SF position... moon has a year under his belt, Joey may just show up and be our slasher (I have a gut feeling he will be Sam's project of the year) Bargs may spend more time at the 3 depending on the match-up. Kapono will have better spacing. Overall I think we will improve over last year here... I'm expecting Smitch to have 3 different starters in rotation. Bargs, Moon and JK... with Joey getting some end of the 1st quarter action with the second unit. To those of you that say why Bargs at the 3??? well, most of the same people here argue that JO will cover for JK's lack of D... why can't the same be said for Bargs. Bargs was off his game last year struggling with the beating he was getting under the basket. I expect him to bring the shooting skills we expect him to have this year, along with some drive. It would be a punishing forward group to send Bargs, Bosh and JO out together. Many of you will disagree with me here... that's fine. Ultimately, sam and BC will make the decision.

the grouping of parker/moon, adams/jk or bargs should be pretty consistent.

PG: I don't know how you can slam our PG's this year. Do you realize many teams don't have a pass first PG in their rotation at all!? Ukic as a second should rank well when all is said and done... he has a lot of things going for him, he just needs some transitional time. Will Solomon... ya, you're right... he will be a "dud".... BC doesn't have much luck in picking guys like this... just look at Garbo, Jose, Parker, Moon...

TAX threshold... I wouldn't be surprised if BC hasn't had conversations with MLSE regarding spending some cash to take us to the next level. I don't think we can say MLSE would never spend tax dollars for a chance at the big game. But right now, it's smart business to say no additional dollars. It should be interesting to see half way through the season if our changes have paid off and we have a solid win/loss ratio. A healthy team could put us in the top 3 in the east. Can Sam get us there? Will BC go and ask for new dollars to take a run? Will he spend a bit of our future for that complete SF that would put us into contention?

Chemistry: why would someone question the chemistry of the raptors? this to me is bizarre. the only question mark I can think of is Will Solomom... it has been said that he wants to prove himself with the ball (TJ type) When you have a all-star caliber type player crying after he hears he gets a fresh start, who has spent 2 years getting thirsty for a chance... who has public said he is support to the CB4 lead team... you are building on proven character players... I guess the only question for me would be Sam... he has a few run in's with players in the past...

Look at the list:

Jose
Parker
CB4
Jamario

absolute top notch character guys!!!

there's no gangsta this year which is a good thing. I think he threw chemistry off a bit.

All other players should fall into line... I believe character of the entire team should take us to the next level. They will play for each other more than any
team toronto has had in a while.

huidogg
07-31-2008, 02:57 AM
SF- Moon's ability to play defence makes him ok for this position. I say if you can play good d you can start, like Bowen. I rather start Moon's defence than Kapono's offence but we definitely need a player than can bring both, like Artest.

SG- Parker needs to be more aggressive and get to the line more but he can also pass as a starter, an upgrade in athleticism would be nice though.

I just don't know why you guys always say Moon is a defensive specialist. Moon is nothing in comparsion with bowen, two completely different players in terms of skills and offensive ability. Moon might be better offensively, but defensively, nothing compare to Bowen. You guys must forgot how bad you guys said Moon defense is when wing players killed us continuously last year that lead to horrific result. So IMO, moon is NOT a defensive specialist! Sure, he might bring u energy, but he shouldn't be called a defensive specialist NOR should be our best defensive player in our team. That is why this 3 spot hole is NEEDED to fill.

huidogg
07-31-2008, 03:02 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks we need a great scorer to start at three... i think we're better off having a jamario moon a wing player that will demand shots, the ball attention and gauentee headaches for Bosh and Oneal....

Moon and Parker are both role players.. the whole point of role players are to compliment your stars... are bread and butter will be between Bosh, Oneal and Calderon.... Parker compliments that by being a great spot up shooter who never demands the ball and plays tough D... Moon is a defensive specialiast with a lot of potential in this area.... Kapono is perfect if teams are doubling up on Bosh and Oneal and giving them any problems... Then we've got a couple wildcards on the bench which will make the difference between just floating around the playoffs inside or outside not making any real threats though

if players like bargnani and Ukic/Solomon pan out or we get anything from Adams and Jawai then we could really make some noise

Well my main point is that I am not asking for offence for the 3 spot, I am asking for solid Defense, not the type of defense that Moon plays. Yah, it' true, we don't want another big name scorer that will demand the ball and guarantee headarche for o'neal and bosh. But please don't call Moon 'a defensive specialist', he is nothing compare to TRUE defensive specialist like Artest and Bowen. I have no problem if we have Bowen in our starting line up, he does not demand the ball, and actually play TRUE defense. Like I said a million times before, please don't forget 'our so called tough defense in the wing position' got us killed many many times by top wing players, and I will never forget how many times you guys bash moon or even parker' inability to defend them.. lol..

huidogg
07-31-2008, 03:10 AM
Re: Parker.... if you look at his shooting stats, factor in his leadership and team first mentality... he fits very well on the team. He can start on my raptors most nights. We now have a new element/athletic slasher from the 2 which we have never had before. We are better at the SG.

Re: Adams... I'll disagree with you... if you look at the Nets team he was cut from... they were probably the strongest group going! Kid, Wince, and RJ... did you expect him to compete for a starting position? It was his current contract and the nets strength that added up to Adams leaving the team. I think he will be this years Moon... athletic competitor for a reasonable cost and will perform above our expectations.

Re: the SF position... moon has a year under his belt, Joey may just show up and be our slasher (I have a gut feeling he will be Sam's project of the year) Bargs may spend more time at the 3 depending on the match-up. Kapono will have better spacing. Overall I think we will improve over last year here... I'm expecting Smitch to have 3 different starters in rotation. Bargs, Moon and JK... with Joey getting some end of the 1st quarter action with the second unit. To those of you that say why Bargs at the 3??? well, most of the same people here argue that JO will cover for JK's lack of D... why can't the same be said for Bargs. Bargs was off his game last year struggling with the beating he was getting under the basket. I expect him to bring the shooting skills we expect him to have this year, along with some drive. It would be a punishing forward group to send Bargs, Bosh and JO out together. Many of you will disagree with me here... that's fine. Ultimately, sam and BC will make the decision.

the grouping of parker/moon, adams/jk or bargs should be pretty consistent.

PG: I don't know how you can slam our PG's this year. Do you realize many teams don't have a pass first PG in their rotation at all!? Ukic as a second should rank well when all is said and done... he has a lot of things going for him, he just needs some transitional time. Will Solomon... ya, you're right... he will be a "dud".... BC doesn't have much luck in picking guys like this... just look at Garbo, Jose, Parker, Moon...

TAX threshold... I wouldn't be surprised if BC hasn't had conversations with MLSE regarding spending some cash to take us to the next level. I don't think we can say MLSE would never spend tax dollars for a chance at the big game. But right now, it's smart business to say no additional dollars. It should be interesting to see half way through the season if our changes have paid off and we have a solid win/loss ratio. A healthy team could put us in the top 3 in the east. Can Sam get us there? Will BC go and ask for new dollars to take a run? Will he spend a bit of our future for that complete SF that would put us into contention?

Chemistry: why would someone question the chemistry of the raptors? this to me is bizarre. the only question mark I can think of is Will Solomom... it has been said that he wants to prove himself with the ball (TJ type) When you have a all-star caliber type player crying after he hears he gets a fresh start, who has spent 2 years getting thirsty for a chance... who has public said he is support to the CB4 lead team... you are building on proven character players... I guess the only question for me would be Sam... he has a few run in's with players in the past...

Look at the list:

Jose
Parker
CB4
Jamario

absolute top notch character guys!!!

there's no gangsta this year which is a good thing. I think he threw chemistry off a bit.

All other players should fall into line... I believe character of the entire team should take us to the next level. They will play for each other more than any
team toronto has had in a while.

Well good analysis. Give you credits. But if you read my post more carefully.. i DID NOT SMASH our PG position, I just say we are STILL unproven! I never doubt calderon ability to change the game, infact he is my favourite player of the team. What I am saying is that we cannot say our PG situtation is solid, Calderon never took the starting role responsiblity for 82 games, and you cannot guarantee if he can perform as well as he did last year. Moreover, we haven't even seen Ukic or solomon play in a NBA game before. In my opinion, this raptor team is very very unproven, many new pieces, and some pieces are not even in the nba.. in my opinion, this team is truly a project, and we don't know what happen until the start of the NBA season. And IMO, no offence to anyone, just too much hope you guys giving to such a new unproven raptor team. Also, don't forget how badly you guys bash the raptors last year, this is becuz you gave them so much hope at the beginning, sometimes you need to analysis the team with clam and fair analysises, than being bias at times.

But overall, you gave in depth analysis, and I appreciate it. Thanks

huidogg
07-31-2008, 03:16 AM
boston
detroit
toronto
washington
orlando
cleveland
philly
chicago
atlanta
milwaukee
new york
charlotte
miami
indiana
new jersey

Disagree for sure. Put toronto too up (will be around 4th or 6th spot), put the wizard too up (would be around 7th spot), put Chicago too up, and milwaukee with the import of jefferson will have a edge over altanta for the last spot in the playoff, put miami and pacers way tooooo down, both of this team have improve enormously, Beasly will surely help along with a healthy wade, they will amazingly improve, and don't underestimate the pacers, they made some great great draft moves, and the acqusition of TJ Ford is great to their team, they will also improve, so it' very unfair if you put them as the 2nd worst team in the east, do some research and read some early season preview before you start doing the ranking, like it' can't be tat ridulously bad, rite? Agree?

huidogg
07-31-2008, 03:26 AM
First off: Yes we still have holes and yes expectations are high in T.O.
Second Off: We had holes last year too but enough assets to make a good season out of it. Expectations were high last year as well and many potential positives (eg. development of Bargnani and PG tandem) ended up a detriment to the team. But who else can Toronto place hopes in? Leafs? Jays? Until other T.O teams make some noise, the Raptors are Toronto's biggest hope.

In regards to your post:

SG Situation: I disagree, I think Parker can be your everyday starter at the SG position. Not every position needs to be filled with the best players and having a player who knows when to take his shots, is adequate defensively and helps the overall chemistry of your starting lineup does not hurt.

SF Situation: This is where we need work. The SG position would look a lot more solid if a good SF was placed beside Parker. Moon is not an adequate starter? I agree with that. Last year he became adequate because he nullified some of Bargnani's mistakes with his rebouding and shot blocking. He is adequate defensively, but better off has a help defender than a man to man defender. Kapono gives us the opposite, which is nice to have options but we need a player who can do more as a starter at the SF position. Totally agree with you assessment of a hole here.

PG Situation: "It is way too early to judge if the PG situation is solid." That was the point of your post and would be the point of mine. We'll call it a "
"potential hole"

Our Bench: Kapono has many flaws. Bargnani is still very unproven. Those would be our first two players off the bench (depending who starts at SF). It is hard not to agree with you here. That being said, Humphries can play solid energy minutes if needed. I have more faith in Adams than you (he'll bring some important grit, defense and athleticism). Ukic and Jawai are unproven. But Soloman may be a safer choice than you think. He is coming from different leagues, but he is coming as a veteran. He does not have the reputation of Garbajosa or Parker, but Garbo and Parker both came in to the NBA and learned quickly (I attribute this to age). I think he will be a dependable option. I have faith in our 8th, 9th and 10th men, but am skeptical about our 6th and 7th men. I think it is safe to call our bench unproven as well.

At any rate, the only thing I would say is a guaranteed hole is the SF position. There is potential for us to have holes on the bench and instability at PG but there is potential for us to get stability and consistency out of those positions too.

Three things to look for this season which will impact our record IMO:

1. Health - always a big factor for any team
2. PG stability, Wing consistency, and Bench Production - all of these are question marks for me
3. Chemistry - So we have many new players again. Everyone on the team seems happy to be on the team however and knows their role. We have respected stars and resolved conflicts. I don't see any problems arising here, but who knows. Jose, Bosh, Oneal and Parker are the leaders of this team. I don't see why they wouldn't get along or why other players would challenge them. Hopefully on court chemistry follows.

Great Great analysis. But yah, in my opinion, i still don't think we are set in our SG positon, as I said, we don't a top player to fill in, we need a specialist to fill in if we want to build on Bosh and O'neal. Sure I never question Parker leadership, but he should not be your everyday starter, he will give you his leadership and experience OFF the bench. Parker is not a threat offensive, and sometimes play lazy defense.

And moreover, I disagree with you about the bench situtation, since our 8th man as many people would believe is Ukic or Adams. Ukic is unproven, but adams as our 8th man, top team won't have a 8th man that is used to be on the bench, got cutted by a nba team, and got throw to europe. And Moreover, in my opinion, infact our bench got very very very weak, BC failed to replace solid piece such as Defino and Rasho, instead he filled in with two players who were throw to europe aka adams and solomon becuase they weren't very good to play in the nba, a rookie point guard and a big fat center. No, the bench isn't looking very good mate.

But other than that, i agree with wat u sayin

huidogg
07-31-2008, 03:34 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks we need a great scorer to start at three... i think we're better off having a jamario moon a wing player that will demand shots, the ball attention and gauentee headaches for Bosh and Oneal....

Moon and Parker are both role players.. the whole point of role players are to compliment your stars... are bread and butter will be between Bosh, Oneal and Calderon.... Parker compliments that by being a great spot up shooter who never demands the ball and plays tough D... Moon is a defensive specialiast with a lot of potential in this area.... Kapono is perfect if teams are doubling up on Bosh and Oneal and giving them any problems... Then we've got a couple wildcards on the bench which will make the difference between just floating around the playoffs inside or outside not making any real threats though

if players like bargnani and Ukic/Solomon pan out or we get anything from Adams and Jawai then we could really make some noise

Ok, that is like saying IF Hakim Warrick plays like an all star, Marc Gasol plays like his brother, Darko Milicic start being the rebound king of the NBA, and Marko Jaric plays like steve nash and Rudy Gay averaging 29 pts a game, then the Memphis Grizzles could really make some noise and become NBA champions. COME ON! be realistic here. No IF this, IF that, the fact is that our bench look quite bad right now on paper. So face the fact, but please don't say IF this, IF that. Thanks mate~

pebloemer
07-31-2008, 09:37 AM
Great Great analysis. But yah, in my opinion, i still don't think we are set in our SG positon, as I said, we don't a top player to fill in, we need a specialist to fill in if we want to build on Bosh and O'neal. Sure I never question Parker leadership, but he should not be your everyday starter, he will give you his leadership and experience OFF the bench. Parker is not a threat offensive, and sometimes play lazy defense.

And moreover, I disagree with you about the bench situtation, since our 8th man as many people would believe is Ukic or Adams. Ukic is unproven, but adams as our 8th man, top team won't have a 8th man that is used to be on the bench, got cutted by a nba team, and got throw to europe. And Moreover, in my opinion, infact our bench got very very very weak, BC failed to replace solid piece such as Defino and Rasho, instead he filled in with two players who were throw to europe aka adams and solomon becuase they weren't very good to play in the nba, a rookie point guard and a big fat center. No, the bench isn't looking very good mate.

But other than that, i agree with wat u sayin

Well, if Bargnani is coming off the bench this season behind JO, then it would be the same as when Bargnani was coming off the bench behind Rasho. So the loss of Rasho on the bench is covered by Oneal.

In regards to Delfino, I feel he often killed the chemistry on the floor by chucking up ridiculous three pointers that only were a benefit when he was hot. He was horribly inconsistent on offense which is not easy for a team to adapt to. One game he needs the ball in his hands half the time when he is on the floor, another game anytime he gets the ball he is chucking up bricks. I don't see the loss of Delfino as a horrible loss to the bench.

That being said I was mostly agreeing with your assessment of our bench, but instead of calling it weak, I am just calling it unproven. Adams, Ukic and Humphries I would call our 8th, 9th and 10th men. Depending how Soloman plays he may take over for Ukic, we'll see. With Humphries, I think we know what we will get (energy, rebounding); with Ukic or Solomon, we have two chances at decent relief for Jose and with Adams, we have varying opinions. Nonetheless, unproven would be my term to attribute to it.

Anywho, good discussion - I think we covered the issue.

A question for you out of curiosity:

If you could take the money that was spent on Adams and Solomon (combined or put together for one player), who would you have gone after instead for our bench?

lukeem21
07-31-2008, 09:50 AM
Well my main point is that I am not asking for offence for the 3 spot, I am asking for solid Defense, not the type of defense that Moon plays. Yah, it' true, we don't want another big name scorer that will demand the ball and guarantee headarche for o'neal and bosh. But please don't call Moon 'a defensive specialist', he is nothing compare to TRUE defensive specialist like Artest and Bowen. I have no problem if we have Bowen in our starting line up, he does not demand the ball, and actually play TRUE defense. Like I said a million times before, please don't forget 'our so called tough defense in the wing position' got us killed many many times by top wing players, and I will never forget how many times you guys bash moon or even parker' inability to defend them.. lol..


i'd rather have bowen that moon, probably not going to happen though, moon being a rookie had a damn good showing and proved he has potential as a defensive specialist and the odds are he'll improve on that with a year udner his belt and comming into a contract year

lukeem21
07-31-2008, 09:58 AM
Ok, that is like saying IF Hakim Warrick plays like an all star, Marc Gasol plays like his brother, Darko Milicic start being the rebound king of the NBA, and Marko Jaric plays like steve nash and Rudy Gay averaging 29 pts a game, then the Memphis Grizzles could really make some noise and become NBA champions. COME ON! be realistic here. No IF this, IF that, the fact is that our bench look quite bad right now on paper. So face the fact, but please don't say IF this, IF that. Thanks mate~

not only did you use more ifs then me but you used way more drastic ones to make your point completly senile....

every team in the nba has its ifs.... EVERY team

the ifs i put on ours are around the backup center and back up point guard... and i'm not saying if they come through like all stars i'm saying if they can deliver 10-20 solid minutes, seeing all the potential around Bargnani and what he did in his rookie year he could easily surpass what is needed of him.

So IF you put some thought into this, and IF you think before you rip into someones point... then you could make a solid rebutle... please respond IF and only IF you want talk seriously about it and not just take a crap all over this forum

Master P
07-31-2008, 01:07 PM
hey guys, check out my blog again for my breakdown of the east. id just write it here but i can do better graphics with the blog.

http://jurassicplayground.blogspot.com/

Mile High Champ
07-31-2008, 02:52 PM
not a bad blog.. good job..

pebloemer
07-31-2008, 03:17 PM
Very well done Master P. Good read - you even took the time to blog about the 9-15 teams. I agree with your rankings for the most part too.

reevanson
08-03-2008, 05:05 AM
hey guys, check out my blog again for my breakdown of the east. id just write it here but i can do better graphics with the blog.

http://jurassicplayground.blogspot.com/

thanks for the post, and the blog! never seen it before, great read, and good analysis of the east.....kudos

canzano55
08-03-2008, 01:27 PM
hey guys, check out my blog again for my breakdown of the east. id just write it here but i can do better graphics with the blog.

http://jurassicplayground.blogspot.com/Not a bad analysis. I'd have to disagree with the Magic being a 2 seed, I just don't see them being better than the Sixers or Washington.

I'm also not sure if Cleveland ends up being that bad.

Master P
08-03-2008, 03:45 PM
i have been accused of hating on cleveland by many. maybe having them 41-41 is a bit low, but we aren't talking about a team that won 60 games last season. they only won 45. they have aging starters and bad roll players. sure lebron is a great one man show, but the east is stronger now. nights when he alone could push the cavs past the likes of toronto, philly, washington are now over.

justin_6
08-03-2008, 04:52 PM
toronto is a way better team then philly first philly didnt sign andre iguodala until then all philly have is brand,dalbemet, and miller which toronto can beat plus ur all forgetting toronto have bosh and oneil 2 guys who can shot people will be double teaming which will finally leave kapono and parker open !!!!!

huidogg
08-03-2008, 10:44 PM
not only did you use more ifs then me but you used way more drastic ones to make your point completly senile....

every team in the nba has its ifs.... EVERY team

the ifs i put on ours are around the backup center and back up point guard... and i'm not saying if they come through like all stars i'm saying if they can deliver 10-20 solid minutes, seeing all the potential around Bargnani and what he did in his rookie year he could easily surpass what is needed of him.

So IF you put some thought into this, and IF you think before you rip into someones point... then you could make a solid rebutle... please respond IF and only IF you want talk seriously about it and not just take a crap all over this forum

Well first of all, i think your above comments is completely stupid.. you need to calm down.. your first post is completely idiotic in my opinion.. you are completely giving a blurry prediction without any prove or back.. you need to smarten up, (i guess tat might be a very hard thing for you to do, but try your best) My point is NOT who being a all star, but my point is DO NOT USE if this or if that, you are saying if someone can develop or if someone can pan out then we will be fine~ you are completely imagining..

And my point of the memphis grizzles is to show how ridiculous your comment is by simply imagining without any backup, prove or evidence.. u did not back up your comments with any evidence..

so please take a little time on understanding my points first before you started to embarass yourself, need sometimes to operate your brain mate~

huidogg
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks we need a great scorer to start at three... i think we're better off having a jamario moon a wing player that will demand shots, the ball attention and gauentee headaches for Bosh and Oneal....

Moon and Parker are both role players.. the whole point of role players are to compliment your stars... are bread and butter will be between Bosh, Oneal and Calderon.... Parker compliments that by being a great spot up shooter who never demands the ball and plays tough D... Moon is a defensive specialiast with a lot of potential in this area.... Kapono is perfect if teams are doubling up on Bosh and Oneal and giving them any problems... Then we've got a couple wildcards on the bench which will make the difference between just floating around the playoffs inside or outside not making any real threats though

if players like bargnani and Ukic/Solomon pan out or we get anything from Adams and Jawai then we could really make some noise

And here if you don't understand why i think your comments is completely ridiculous, i will give u a brief analysis on why your comments are brainless... you said if players like bargnani and Ukic/Solomon pan out or we get anything from Adams and Jawai then we could really make some noise... FIRST OF ALL, how the hell in the world we know IF IF IF Ukic/Solomon will pan out????? how the hell in the world we know IF IF IF bargani would pan out??? did he pan out last year???? how the hell we know IF we can get anything from adams and Jawai, they have seen VERY little action in the nba.. so please don't make bizzare and competely pointless prediction..

And to clear things up, my point on the memphis grizzles is to show HOW ridiclous and ******** your comments are.. you need to use your brain a little bit more.. really, i thought people put more thoughts before they post instead of simply imagining and make up pointless comments.. thanks mate

Fury
08-03-2008, 11:02 PM
The nets are gettin bashed way to much in here..The Nets are gonna be better than Indiana and maybe even Atlanta since they lost a few key players and def better than the bucks and im not even address the knicks cuz...well we all knoe where they rank

Master P
08-04-2008, 12:57 AM
fury are you high? im not hating or bashing the nets. they have a solid young starting lineup plus vince. however, they do lack depth, their young players (though filled with potential) are in fact young, and vince hasn't lead a team to a winning season since 2001 (and that year he was surrounded by experienced veterans). the nets are starting to head in the right direction towards building a winner, but this year they start that process at the bottom.

and better than the hawks? lets do a position breakdown: bibby vs harris (bibby wins), johnson vs dooling (johnson wins), williams vs vince (vince), smith vs yi (smith), horford vs lopez (horford). bottom line, the hawks are a much better basketball team than the nets. indiana is also better than the nets thanks to depth. the bucks are better (notice what that bum redd is doing on team usa?). the knicks are aweful (despite the new coach / hope); if the nets can take anyone it's them.

lukeem21
08-04-2008, 04:37 AM
Well first of all, i think your above comments is completely stupid.. you need to calm down.. your first post is completely idiotic in my opinion.. you are completely giving a blurry prediction without any prove or back.. you need to smarten up, (i guess tat might be a very hard thing for you to do, but try your best) My point is NOT who being a all star, but my point is DO NOT USE if this or if that, you are saying if someone can develop or if someone can pan out then we will be fine~ you are completely imagining..

And my point of the memphis grizzles is to show how ridiculous your comment is by simply imagining without any backup, prove or evidence.. u did not back up your comments with any evidence..

so please take a little time on understanding my points first before you started to embarass yourself, need sometimes to operate your brain mate~

i'm not going to spend much time telling you how riduclous you sound calling me stupid while using the word prove instead of proof and is instead of are... instead i'll try again to explain that

now i'll move on not one team has solid proof or evidence that they will be a contender... NOT ONE
and you have given less prood and evidence that the things i said will not come true, and good luck doing that!

then i'll say that Bargnani has shown lots over his short career in terms of talent but has not been able to put it all together and give any consistency... not only do we have two all stars ahead of him on the depth chart now (which means we do not need him to be consistent) but this being his third year in the NBA is a common year for big men to start to put it all together

you using Memphis does not show how ridiculous I am the comparison just discredits you showing that you probably did not even pay attention that i was talking about completly reasonable possibilities for our BENCH, not asking outlandish homeristic improvements from starters

now i realise you're probably just trolling so unless you take sometime to write something constructive or at least make valid points then i will not waste my time responding to you again

reevanson
08-04-2008, 08:08 AM
Alot of people in here need to calm down. This thread was just meant to let people express their thoughts on the east standings, not resort to rediculous name calling and getting personal. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion and calling another person stupid just makes yourself sound ignorant.

huidogg
08-04-2008, 10:45 PM
i'm not going to spend much time telling you how riduclous you sound calling me stupid while using the word prove instead of proof and is instead of are... instead i'll try again to explain that

now i'll move on not one team has solid proof or evidence that they will be a contender... NOT ONE
and you have given less prood and evidence that the things i said will not come true, and good luck doing that!

then i'll say that Bargnani has shown lots over his short career in terms of talent but has not been able to put it all together and give any consistency... not only do we have two all stars ahead of him on the depth chart now (which means we do not need him to be consistent) but this being his third year in the NBA is a common year for big men to start to put it all together

you using Memphis does not show how ridiculous I am the comparison just discredits you showing that you probably did not even pay attention that i was talking about completly reasonable possibilities for our BENCH, not asking outlandish homeristic improvements from starters

now i realise you're probably just trolling so unless you take sometime to write something constructive or at least make valid points then i will not waste my time responding to you again

Well whatever. I don't want to sound like a completely jerk to reply back with harsh comments, you don't even know why i flamed. My whole point is please do not predict the future, like saying how jawai, ukic, solomon and adams will pan and out and we will be fine. You should sit back and wait until the season arrive before you say anything on them since they are very unproven. You should wait patiently to see if they can really help our team. Well sorry if i offend you, but it' frustrating at times that you don't understand my point of view, and you predict the future.

huidogg
08-04-2008, 10:58 PM
Alot of people in here need to calm down. This thread was just meant to let people express their thoughts on the east standings, not resort to rediculous name calling and getting personal. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion and calling another person stupid just makes yourself sound ignorant.

I truly argree with you.

lukeem21
08-05-2008, 11:23 AM
Well whatever. I don't want to sound like a completely jerk to reply back with harsh comments, you don't even know why i flamed. My whole point is please do not predict the future, like saying how jawai, ukic, solomon and adams will pan and out and we will be fine. You should sit back and wait until the season arrive before you say anything on them since they are very unproven. You should wait patiently to see if they can really help our team. Well sorry if i offend you, but it' frustrating at times that you don't understand my point of view, and you predict the future.


i didnt predict the future, you could have saved yourself a lot of typing by doing a little reading

blujaysrock
08-05-2008, 03:00 PM
SI.com's Ian Thomsen gave his early East and West ranking he put the Raps in 6th in the East.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/07/25/weekly.countdown/index.html?eref=T1

Here are my East Rankings:

1. Boston
2. Detriot
3. Toronto
4. Orlando
5. Philly
6. Cleveland
7. Washington
8. Chicago
9. Indiana
10. Atlanta
11. New Jersey
12. Milwaukee
13. Miami
14. Charlotte
15. New York

Give us your ranking!

sounds about right.