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JordansBulls
07-26-2008, 12:16 AM
Do you consider Allen Iverson a top 10 player in the league still?

still1ballin
07-26-2008, 12:18 AM
No....not anymore, when he was in Philly then yeah.

Ramon Nivar
07-26-2008, 12:19 AM
Top 10 Scorer, yes, not a top 10 player. He's probably still in the top 20 though.

Hotone1401
07-26-2008, 12:27 AM
I know I'm gonna hurt some AI fans feelings but I have to be honest. No way is he a top 10 player today. I would put him in the top 15 but there are just too many good players in the league today who can play great on both ends of the court. I will agree with the other guy and say that he is still a top 10 scorer.

black1605
07-26-2008, 12:30 AM
hard to say, but i have to vote no

SAVAGE CLAW
07-26-2008, 12:33 AM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

Joshtd1
07-26-2008, 12:34 AM
Gasol isnt top 10..

But no, AI isnt top 10 either.

ugafan
07-26-2008, 12:36 AM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

LOL

madiaz3
07-26-2008, 12:39 AM
He put KG at #1 LOL
And he put Gasol at 10 to make it seem like Kobe had more help than he did.

lakers4sho
07-26-2008, 12:40 AM
Top 15-20. Top 10 is too high IMO.

scanz30
07-26-2008, 12:46 AM
No



9. Yao Ming

so NO

no way is yao ming top 10

SwaggaIke
07-26-2008, 12:48 AM
Top 5 scorer, top 15 overall player. At 33 years of age, that's saying a lot.

FOBolous
07-26-2008, 12:52 AM
no way is yao ming top 10

arguably the best center in the NBA not in the Top 10? :eyebrow:

SAVAGE CLAW
07-26-2008, 12:52 AM
Mmm did Kobe get not help from Pau?......

With Bynum Injured.......

Would they have gone into the finals WITHOUT Pau....?

KmB728
07-26-2008, 12:53 AM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

hahahaha :drunk:


when AI was in Philly he was the man.. but now he is getting older, still a great great player though

KmB728
07-26-2008, 12:54 AM
Mmm did Kobe get not help from Pau?......

With Bynum Injured.......

Would they have gone into the finals WITHOUT Pau....?


would the celtics have gone to the finals without posey??? doesnt make him top 10 bro

ivyleague1
07-26-2008, 12:55 AM
YES. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA !!!! HOW CAN A PLAYER WHO RANKS IN THE TOP 10 IN THREE OUT 5 MAJOR CATEGORIES (SCORING, ASSIST, STEALS, BLOCKS, REBOUND) NOT BE IN THE TOP 10. No one else except Lebron James matches Iverson in achiving this feat. Iverson and James are in the top 10 in scoring, assists and steals. Use this objective criterion. Anyone who voted NO has very poor analytical ability

PhillyLuver
07-26-2008, 12:58 AM
Nope. Used to be, not anymore

FOBolous
07-26-2008, 12:59 AM
My top 10 in no particular order:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Chris Paul
4. Yao Ming
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Paul Pierce
7. Dwight Howard
8. Tim Duncan
9. Dwayne Wade
10. Dirk Nowitzki

honorable mention: Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Allen Iverson (he's still fearless), Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire (product of steve nash?), and Baron Davis

SAVAGE CLAW
07-26-2008, 01:13 AM
would the celtics have gone to the finals without posey??? doesnt make him top 10 bro

In fact the question here is Would the Celtics have won Without Ray Allen?

Come on you have 1 top 5 player ( The best in my opinion) 1 top 10 and 1 top 20 ..... You abused the league!!!! :D

Westbrook36
07-26-2008, 01:15 AM
Top 5 scorer, top 15 overall player. At 33 years of age, that's saying a lot.

I agree, Never under 20 PPG EVER I think top 20 All-Time IMO.

:hide:

Packersfan
07-26-2008, 01:30 AM
iverson is not in the top 10 anymore
1. kobe
2. lebron
3. garnett
4. duncan
5. d-wade
6. cp3
7. deron williams
8. dwight howard
9. amare
10. yao

lakers4sho
07-26-2008, 01:34 AM
YES. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA !!!! HOW CAN A PLAYER WHO RANKS IN THE TOP 10 IN THREE OUT 5 MAJOR CATEGORIES (SCORING, ASSIST, STEALS, BLOCKS, REBOUND) NOT BE IN THE TOP 10. No one else except Lebron James matches Iverson in achiving this feat. Iverson and James are in the top 10 in scoring, assists and steals. Use this objective criterion. Anyone who voted NO has very poor analytical ability

You also have a poor analytical ability to recognize that stats don't mean everything.

KmB728
07-26-2008, 01:34 AM
In fact the question here is Would the Celtics have won Without Ray Allen?

Come on you have 1 top 5 player ( The best in my opinion) 1 top 10 and 1 top 20 ..... You abused the league!!!! :D

lol :clap:

DenButsu
07-26-2008, 01:34 AM
This will probably sound ridiculous to some people, but I really believe it's true:

AI is a top 10 regular season player, but not a top 10 postseason player.


His last two playoff performances with the Nuggets probably drop him out of the top 10 overall, though. That's when it counts the most.

Westbrook36
07-26-2008, 01:37 AM
This will probably sound ridiculous to some people, but I really believe it's true:

AI is a top 10 regular season player, but not a top 10 postseason player.


His last two playoff performances with the Nuggets probably drop him out of the top 10 overall, though. That's when it counts the most.

Top 20 ALL TIME, Yes I said it. Never Under 20 PPG, Wilt and MJ are the two with higher PPG Career AVG.

CubsBullsfan28
07-26-2008, 01:37 AM
he was definately top 10 when he was back in Philly, but i dont think he is anymore, maybe top 20 though. he is still a good player.

IversonIsKrazy
07-26-2008, 01:46 AM
4SHUREEE! U say kobe is such a good defender and such, when melo never played against the lakers during a game in the season, AI dropped 51 on KOBE! AI is still amazing, pound to pound, best ever! Hes the best scorer, most amazing, overall greatest 6'0 footer the NBA has ever seeen! Hes first in ALL-TIME Steals, 3rd in ALL-TIME PPG, in NBA HISTORYYYY! And ur saying yao ming, gasol, nowitski, pierce and such are better than him. U guys surely dont know wut ur talking bout

LayZbone
07-26-2008, 01:46 AM
I voted no, but he barely misses out in my rankings. I have him around #15.

Statistically he's one of the most gifted players to step foot on the court. Unfortunately, I don't think he has the right pieces around him to fit his game. It's a shame because even at his age, he still dominates. The guy's motor is unbelievable...he plays like he's 25. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still in the league when he hits 40...and putting up about 20 ppg.

The83rdWonder
07-26-2008, 01:54 AM
YES. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA !!!! HOW CAN A PLAYER WHO RANKS IN THE TOP 10 IN THREE OUT 5 MAJOR CATEGORIES (SCORING, ASSIST, STEALS, BLOCKS, REBOUND) NOT BE IN THE TOP 10. No one else except Lebron James matches Iverson in achiving this feat. Iverson and James are in the top 10 in scoring, assists and steals. Use this objective criterion. Anyone who voted NO has very poor analytical ability

Run n' gun, Karl-style inflates a lot of those stats, put Kobe, Wade, or Chris Paul in a fast paced offense and they would have around the same/or better statistics.

monster_mash
07-26-2008, 02:01 AM
He's always avg'd stats like that. It's not a product of the system. Thats just how AI does his thing. That is like saying the only reason LBJ avg. 30/7/7 is cuz everyone else on the team sux

SwaggaIke
07-26-2008, 02:08 AM
^That's true. A.I is a pure scorer. That's what he does and you can never take that away from him. Even on defensive minded, low scoring Philly teams...he still got buckets. The pace never matters when it comes to A.I.

Hellcrooner
07-26-2008, 03:13 AM
Iverson is no longer top 10, and Claw, Pau top 10? you went a bit to far... try top 15 or top 20 .....and i tough i was a Gasol homer!!!!

Anyway as you will see, people here has 0 respect for Pau.

I would even say that the most apreciated spaniard on this boards is Calderon........and it took a loooonggggg time for them to recognise him , i even got banned from teh raptors forum for defending him when they were still blind with TJ.


Going back to the subject, Playign with melo is doing no good for AI.

A change of scenary would be very good for him.

Id make a call to NY about it, maybe they can get Curry to heal up their front court and Richardson coudl fill the void nicely.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 04:00 AM
Iverson is in the top ten.

Not too many players average 25 plus points and over 5 assists per game. He is always in the top 5 in scoring, and steals. Also, he's in the top 20 in assists. He definitely is a top ten player.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 04:05 AM
A lot of people don't understand basketball, if you say that Iverson is not a top player, wow, that's absurd, just look at his numbers, he's in the top ten for sure. Way too much hating of Iverson, Kobe, etc.. Give respect to players that can play whether you like them as a person or not.

rico
07-26-2008, 04:08 AM
hes up there if not.

LakerzDQ
07-26-2008, 04:22 AM
I think he barely makes it.

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Garnett
5. CP3
6. Dirk
7. Dwight
8. D-Wade
9. Paul Pierce
10. Allen Iverson/Yao Ming

Yao Ming and Dwyane wade and T-Mac is low, because of their injuries. Allen Iverson, on the other hand, is tough as hell, and plays through lots of pain. he's 33 years old, but still scoring 50 point games. people might call him a ballhog or whatnot, but he's still probably in the top 10s. if not, top 11.

JordansBulls
07-26-2008, 07:47 AM
Top 20 ALL TIME, Yes I said it. Never Under 20 PPG, Wilt and MJ are the two with higher PPG Career AVG.

And Iverson is 2nd all time in playoff ppg.

Hotone1401
07-26-2008, 01:49 PM
4SHUREEE! U say kobe is such a good defender and such, when melo never played against the lakers during a game in the season, AI dropped 51 on KOBE! AI is still amazing, pound to pound, best ever! Hes the best scorer, most amazing, overall greatest 6'0 footer the NBA has ever seeen! Hes first in ALL-TIME Steals, 3rd in ALL-TIME PPG, in NBA HISTORYYYY! And ur saying yao ming, gasol, nowitski, pierce and such are better than him. U guys surely dont know wut ur talking bout
I am suprised people are still bringing up this game when I thought we had already cleared this up. Most people remember this game and I do remember that AI couldn't miss. Only it was against Derek Fisher for the first 3 quarters. Once, Kobe and Ariza got the assignment in the 4th, AI was no longer able to score, and as a result, the Nuggets ended up losing the game. Please don't bring this game up anymore.

Plus, Kobe's defense on AI was pretty impressive but I guess some AI fans just have selective memory.

Jay22Redd
07-26-2008, 02:43 PM
Yes, i dont see duncan that high but i never see him under 15

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 02:44 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

I love kg but he isnt the best player in the nba.

Indi23
07-26-2008, 02:50 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

Take off gasol and add Amare

SportsFan1988
07-26-2008, 02:55 PM
When A.I. was in Philly I would of happily put him in the top 5, now I have trouble putting him in the top 15. As for scoring he IS still in the top 10, and that is without a doubt, but we all know that scoring isn't everything.

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 02:57 PM
yeah, I agree 100%. He is a top 15.

MilwaukeeBAller
07-26-2008, 03:07 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

Pau Gasol in the top 10??? No way ur serious.

MilwaukeeBAller
07-26-2008, 03:08 PM
I'm not even sure if Pau would be in my top 20. Bosh, McGrady are so much better than him.

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 03:09 PM
ohh yeah, he is :rolleyes:

MilwaukeeBAller
07-26-2008, 03:09 PM
Wade is also way better than Pau.

MilwaukeeBAller
07-26-2008, 03:10 PM
Pau is not even top 5 at his own position!

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 03:10 PM
mcgrady isnt that good anymore, he is way too injury prone. Stop post padding.

balla4life22
07-26-2008, 03:13 PM
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Garnett
5. CP3
6. Dwight Howard
7. Dwade
8. Paul Pierce
9. Yao Ming
10. Dirk
AI was in the top 10 for a while, even top 5 some years. I'd say top 15 now

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 03:16 PM
howard is better then duncan ming isnt in the top 10, and dirk should be at the 7 spot.

Ph1lly Diehard
07-26-2008, 03:23 PM
I was ranking the players and I got him at #14 so no

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 03:36 PM
1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Garnett
5. CP3
6. Dwight Howard
7. Dwade
8. Paul Pierce
9. Yao Ming
10. Dirk
AI was in the top 10 for a while, even top 5 some years. I'd say top 15 now


Iverson is in the top ten for sure, you can take Pierce off of that list and it's debatable about Yao being in the top ten. KG was the best player on the Celtics not Pierce, Pierce is in the top 15 but not top ten.

Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, KG, Wade, Amare, Tmac, Iverson, Dirk, CP3 and D. Will and D. Howard are all better than Pierce, check their numbers and their impact on the game. Pierce is a top player, but not top 10. I like at numbers and impact on games, KG was the impact player on Boston, no KG, no 66 win team and title. KG is a superstar and is a franchise player.

Franchise players are top 5 NBA guys like: Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Duncan, and KG, guys who can carry a team, I would say CP3 and Howard are also franchise guys.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 03:37 PM
Nash is also a top player.

monty77
07-26-2008, 03:39 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO


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Tom81
07-26-2008, 03:42 PM
No

Westbrook36
07-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Allen Iverson is top 20 All-Time Third in PPG Second in PPG in Playoffs. One of the Greatest Scorers EVER.

balla4life22
07-26-2008, 03:48 PM
Iverson is in the top ten for sure, you can take Pierce off of that list and it's debatable about Yao being in the top ten. KG was the best player on the Celtics not Pierce, Pierce is in the top 15 but not top ten.

Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, KG, Wade, Amare, Tmac, Iverson, Dirk, CP3 and D. Will and D. Howard are all better than Pierce, check their numbers and their impact on the game. Pierce is a top player, but not top 10. I like at numbers and impact on games, KG was the impact player on Boston, no KG, no 66 win team and title. KG is a superstar and is a franchise player.

Franchise players are top 5 NBA guys like: Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Duncan, and KG, guys who can carry a team, I would say CP3 and Howard are also franchise guys.

First of all, numbers arent everything. You said check their impact on the game. well tmac cant have an impact if hes injured all the time and hasnt made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Amare wouldnt have the numbers he has without steve nash. Also, look who carried the celtics in the playoffs, even more in the finals. It was paul pierce. he defended kobe in pressure situations and matched up well against the best player in the league. How could you say KG can carry a team and pierce cant? They were in the same situation their whole careers until last season.

mjrballer13
07-26-2008, 03:54 PM
he is a great scorer, top 5 in the league, but that doesnt make you a top 10 player. Carmelo is the leading scorer for team USA in most games, doesnt make him the best player on the court.
But for AI he scores alot, because he takes alot of shots. and his FG % isnt great, stats dont mean everything, but he avgs about 24 shots a game in his carreer, for 27 pts.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 03:55 PM
First of all, numbers arent everything. You said check their impact on the game. well tmac cant have an impact if hes injured all the time and hasnt made it out of the first round of the playoffs. Amare wouldnt have the numbers he has without steve nash. Also, look who carried the celtics in the playoffs, even more in the finals. It was paul pierce. he defended kobe in pressure situations and matched up well against the best player in the league. How could you say KG can carry a team and pierce cant? They were in the same situation their whole careers until last season.


KG was the MAN on that team, and Pierce was the closer. KG dominated the paint defensively and changed the whole way Boston defended throughout the playoffs, that's impact!! Pierce was a great closer for Boston, big difference. KG was the man on the inside, Boston became a better team when they traded for Kevin, his defensive talents and leadership changed that team.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 03:57 PM
T-Mac has top 5 talent, just doesn't translate all the time into playoff (team)success which drops him out of the top 5 players but not the top ten. His individual playoff numbers are great, but he has to win more!!

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 03:59 PM
yeah scoring isnt everything.

IversonIsKrazy
07-26-2008, 04:01 PM
AI is 4shure top 10 rite now. Hes 3rd in ALL-TIME PPG. Hes 5th in ALL-TIME steals. I mean hes amazing. He plays most mpg, so u kant say hes losing skills, kuz he still haz that amazing stamina. AI is waaayyyy better than T-Mac. AI carrired philly on his back in 2001 to the finals, and his duo was Larry Hughes. Did kobe ever do that??

balla4life22
07-26-2008, 04:06 PM
KG was the MAN on that team, and Pierce was the closer. KG dominated the paint defensively and changed the whole way Boston defended throughout the playoffs, that's impact!! Pierce was a great closer for Boston, big difference. KG was the man on the inside, Boston became a better team when they traded for Kevin, his defensive talents and leadership changed that team.

ok but was KG the one guarding kobe and hitting big shots and taking over the finals? The thing you dont understand is that boston didnt become a better defensive team just bc of garnett. It was coach rivers and coach thibodeau that got everyone on the team to buy into it. Pierce and every1 else on the team worked their a$$es off on defense and you cant take it away from them saying "it was all garnett." I actually wouldnt give give the credit to any one person because it was a team defense.

3RDASYSTEM
07-26-2008, 04:06 PM
33 And Still Top 5 Fastest/quickest In League And He Was 3rd In Scoring Led League In Min Per Game And The Denver Fo Didnt Make Artest Trade At Deadline Where They Would Have Been Built Perfect For Playoffs, But Anyway Alot Of People Get Caught Up In Nba Finals Hype And Wanna Give A Person A Whole Bunch Of Status Off Of One Series, But Grade A Body Of Work Over A 5-10 Yr Span And Thats How Ya Really Rank The Greats
1. Lebron James
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Allen Iverson
5. Kobe Bryant
6. D Howard
7. Melo/pierce
8. Healthy D Wade
9.amare/shaq
10. Ron Artest

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 04:07 PM
I have no idea what your saying.

balla4life22
07-26-2008, 04:07 PM
I also don t understand how tmac is top 10 what has he done. Just bc he has top 5 talent doesnt mean anything. Talent isnt everything

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 04:11 PM
yeah tmac has dropped to a top 15-20 player in this league.

hockeypro68
07-26-2008, 04:34 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO


LOL.. I hate to break it to you, but Pau Gasol is not a top 10 player in the NBA. Allen Iverson is much more deserving. I'd take Nowitzki out of there too.

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 04:36 PM
nowitzki is a former mvp winner, he is a top 10 player. Who would you put in front of nowitzki?

hockeypro68
07-26-2008, 04:45 PM
I've read some pretty ridiculous top 10 NBA players predictions in this thread... so let me tell you the way I see it, ASSUMING each player stays healthy the entire season...(and not necessarily in order)
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Allen Iverson
8. Yao Ming
9. Dwyane Wade
10. Gilbert Arenas

So yes, I think Allen Iverson is a top 10 player in the NBA. To be able to average over 26 points alongside Carmelo, and also 7 assists and over 2 steals, theres no doubt in, in my opinion, that AI belongs in the top 10 still

hockeypro68
07-26-2008, 04:48 PM
nowitzki is a former mvp winner, he is a top 10 player. Who would you put in front of nowitzki?

I agree that Nowitzki is an amazing player. He's definitely a top 15 player, so I can accept the opinion that he's in the top 10.

*Superman*
07-26-2008, 04:53 PM
Naw, but he is def. in top 15-20

Chi-cityfan
07-26-2008, 05:07 PM
no def not a top 10.. lucky to be in the top 20
these players are def better than AI:
Kobe, LeBron, Dwade, Dwight Howard, Carmelo, CP3, KG, Duncan, Nowitzki, Nash, Amare,

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 05:19 PM
he is a top15

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 05:39 PM
ok but was KG the one guarding kobe and hitting big shots and taking over the finals? The thing you dont understand is that boston didnt become a better defensive team just bc of garnett. It was coach rivers and coach thibodeau that got everyone on the team to buy into it. Pierce and every1 else on the team worked their a$$es off on defense and you cant take it away from them saying "it was all garnett." I actually wouldnt give give the credit to any one person because it was a team defense.

What was Boston's record prior to Kevin Garnett's arrival? Where were they ranked defensively before KG? KG won the defensive player of the year for a reason, a team's defense starts down low with their anchor, KG is their anchor down low. Boston's defense would be terrible without a seven footer like KG to protect the rim down low. Also, Pierce had help defending Kobe and Lebron, if you believe he shut down Kobe, that's a poor bball analysis on your part, it started with them doubling Kobe and zoning him and playing great inspired defense thanks to KG!! KG was the difference in Boston, case closed.

Lakersfan2483
07-26-2008, 05:42 PM
Boston played great team defense but it all starts with your anchor down low. See Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Kareem, Russell, etc...

Jonathan2323
07-26-2008, 05:56 PM
no top 35

MilwaukeeBAller
07-26-2008, 07:42 PM
no top 35

seriously? i'd like to see your list of 35 guys u think are better than AI.

SportsFan1988
07-26-2008, 07:44 PM
seriously? i'd like to see your list of 35 guys u think are better than AI.

Same here.

Westbrook36
07-26-2008, 07:47 PM
no top 35

Top 35!?

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 07:49 PM
no top 35

:laugh:

balla4life22
07-26-2008, 07:53 PM
What was Boston's record prior to Kevin Garnett's arrival? Where were they ranked defensively before KG? KG won the defensive player of the year for a reason, a team's defense starts down low with their anchor, KG is their anchor down low. Boston's defense would be terrible without a seven footer like KG to protect the rim down low. Also, Pierce had help defending Kobe and Lebron, if you believe he shut down Kobe, that's a poor bball analysis on your part, it started with them doubling Kobe and zoning him and playing great inspired defense thanks to KG!! KG was the difference in Boston, case closed.

ok then what was minnesotas record the season before that with KG. He cant just make a team the best defensive team in the league by himself. It took all the players on the celtics. If he was the much of a difference he wouldve made the t-wolves a good defensive team. And pierce did guard kobe one on one at the stretch of some games in the playoffs. If you didnt see that then that's poor analyisis on your part.

DenButsu
07-26-2008, 07:58 PM
seriously? i'd like to see your list of 35 guys u think are better than AI.

He doesn't have one - he's just hatin'.

Westbrook36
07-26-2008, 07:59 PM
Iverson could go anywhere from 8-12. I think hes a top 20 player of ALL TIME.

SwaggaIke
07-26-2008, 08:05 PM
I need to see that list of 35 players.

_Sn1P3r_
07-26-2008, 09:15 PM
I need to see that list of 35 players.

Haha yup. I wanna see 34 other players better than him.

And.., Top 15 ish.

BADizzleBoY
07-26-2008, 09:18 PM
I love hoe he never responded. Back it up.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
07-26-2008, 09:23 PM
1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

"10 Pau Gasol."

hahahaha you Funny :]

right

SAVAGE CLAW
07-27-2008, 12:04 AM
I see, you all under rate Pau because he is not Flashy and does not score much.

Id love to interview Phil Jackson and ask him for wich players would he trade him straight up.

Maybe you would be surprised that he would probably answer that only for the likes of Lebron, Howard, Garnett, Duncan and Maybe Dirk.

Hellcrooner
07-27-2008, 02:49 AM
mmm you valuete pau too high anyway.

Im a Laker Fan and there are plenty players i would trade him for, ok i wouldnt go Lebron or Wade , carter, t-mac absically because we already have KObe ( if he wanst here i would)

But i would acept a one on one trade of pau for .

Duncan

Dirk

Paul

Melo Anthony


Deron

KG

Pierce

D Howard

ok thats 8 names, add the sguards mentioned

and that makes him nuber 13

top 15 finally.

THE MTL
07-27-2008, 02:54 AM
I say AI cracks top ten. Maybe at number ten.

THE MTL
07-27-2008, 02:56 AM
AI is better than Deron and Melo.

thesparky33
07-27-2008, 02:58 AM
Top 10? No, not now. He'd probably crack the top 15 though.

Knowledge
07-27-2008, 03:17 AM
i am gonna say he is not top ten players now, but i could easily change my mind.

He is such a dominant scorer that their arent to many i could say can take over a game better than he can offensively. His defense is suspect because of how small he is, but his heart is second to none.

chomaru
07-27-2008, 08:33 AM
why do ppl keep bringing up all time stats? isnt the question if AI is still a top 10 player today?

ask yourself if all the players from the nba fell into a pool and got re drafted would he be in the top 10 picks.....I dont think so.

Dirty Dirk41
07-27-2008, 09:39 AM
Garnett
Duncan
Lebron
Kobe
Yao
Chris Paul
Dirk
Pierce
D-Wade
D-Howard


I Rather have any of those 10 players than A.I

and theres a few others i rather have than just those 10..

A.I used to be one of the best.

SHONIE
07-27-2008, 09:42 AM
No, but close.

fairandbalanced
07-27-2008, 12:00 PM
top 10:
KG
Pierce
D Wade
Kobe
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Rasheed Wallace
Tim Duncan
Ginobli
Ray Allen


They have proved to be winners. Whenever other folks win, i'll substitute their names based on finals performance.

Westbrook36
07-27-2008, 12:04 PM
top 10:
KG
Pierce
D Wade
Kobe
Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Rasheed Wallace
Tim Duncan
Ginobli
Ray Allen


They have proved to be winners. Whenever other folks win, i'll substitute their names based on finals performance.

They are not top 10..I dont care what they win they all are not top 10..It's a Team Sport..

FNM BOY
07-27-2008, 12:20 PM
4SHUREEE! U say kobe is such a good defender and such, when melo never played against the lakers during a game in the season, AI dropped 51 on KOBE! AI is still amazing, pound to pound, best ever! Hes the best scorer, most amazing, overall greatest 6'0 footer the NBA has ever seeen! Hes first in ALL-TIME Steals, 3rd in ALL-TIME PPG, in NBA HISTORYYYY! And ur saying yao ming, gasol, nowitski, pierce and such are better than him. U guys surely dont know wut ur talking bout

Well said buddy... one of the unfortunate things about the human experience is that we are quick to forget....AI is in my top 10..Dirk Nowitzki????...Please.

MrBloop
07-27-2008, 12:32 PM
He's a top 10 guard, thats about it tho.

MrBloop
07-27-2008, 12:33 PM
Well said buddy... one of the unfortunate things about the human experience is that we are quick to forget....AI is in my top 10..Dirk Nowitzki????...Please.

Dirk is a much more valuble player than AI now, rethink your statement for one sec.

Westbrook36
07-27-2008, 12:50 PM
Dirk is a much more valuble player than AI now, rethink your statement for one sec.

I dont think he should, Allen Iverson has never had a good team around him. Dirk on the other hand has had good teams around him. If you give Allen Iverson Shaq Im 99% Sure they win atleast one championship. Kobe and Iverson are very much alike, Same Numbers basically but the thing Allen Iverson never had was the talent around him, When he went far into the playoffs he had to carry his teams. Hes Second ALL TIME Behind Jordon for PPG In playoffs. Allen Iverson has never been under 20 PPG in a year..Hes Third ALL TIME behind Wilt and Jordon for PPG in in their Careers. You can find another Dirk but you cant find another Iverson

DenButsu
07-27-2008, 01:32 PM
Let me propose something for the upcoming season:

AI will be a top 10 player if his assists rise by 1.5 and his scoring drops by 1.5 (with no decline or a rise in his fg%), so that his season average changes from 26.4ppg/7.1apg to 24.9ppg/8.6apg.

He can do this if he wills it upon himself. Unfortunately, I doubt he will. But that kind of shift in his game would do wonders for the Nuggets as well as AI's own effectiveness on the court, I believe that very strongly.

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-27-2008, 01:40 PM
All of you are underrating Allen Iverson

26 ppg 7 assists 3 rebounds 2 steals at 42 min a game man ...
07-08 season he got 51 points in a game and had a 14 assist game, 7 steals in one game is very impressive too! This guy is still one of the best players in our league today, top 10 DEFINITELY.

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-27-2008, 01:41 PM
I dont think he should, Allen Iverson has never had a good team around him. Dirk on the other hand has had good teams around him. If you give Allen Iverson Shaq Im 99% Sure they win atleast one championship. Kobe and Iverson are very much alike, Same Numbers basically but the thing Allen Iverson never had was the talent around him, When he went far into the playoffs he had to carry his teams. Hes Second ALL TIME Behind Jordon for PPG In playoffs. Allen Iverson has never been under 20 PPG in a year..Hes Third ALL TIME behind Wilt and Jordon for PPG in in their Careers. You can find another Dirk but you cant find another Iverson

:clap::clap::clap:
People seriously don't understand what this guy is STILL doing at his age. A.I is still a great player

FNM BOY
07-27-2008, 01:50 PM
Dirk is a much more valuble player than AI now, rethink your statement for one sec.

U obviously watch basketball with your eyes closed...no way is dirk better than AI...Dirk is good but he has no heart....IVERSON IS A FEARLESS WARRIOR!!! It would be futile even to enter a debate on this matter.

Mr_Clutch
07-27-2008, 02:38 PM
Yes Iverson is.

Duncan
Paul
Lebron
Kobe
Garnett
Pierce
Iverson
Dwight
Carmelo
Arenas
Gasol

SwaggaIke
07-27-2008, 02:39 PM
I'm not underrating or undervaluing A.I. I still think the man is a beast, especially what he does at 33 w/ no signs of slowing up. I just would take 10 players to start my franchise over him regardless of age. And Gasol is not a top 10 player, not even a top 15 player. I respect his game and he's in the top 20. But not the top 15 and DEFINITELY not the top 10.

JordansBulls
07-27-2008, 03:13 PM
Yes Iverson is.

Duncan
Paul
Lebron
Kobe
Garnett
Pierce
Iverson
Dwight
Carmelo
Arenas
Gasol

:confused:

Chaudhry
07-27-2008, 06:14 PM
4SHUREEE! U say kobe is such a good defender and such, when melo never played against the lakers during a game in the season, AI dropped 51 on KOBE! AI is still amazing, pound to pound, best ever! Hes the best scorer, most amazing, overall greatest 6'0 footer the NBA has ever seeen! Hes first in ALL-TIME Steals, 3rd in ALL-TIME PPG, in NBA HISTORYYYY! And ur saying yao ming, gasol, nowitski, pierce and such are better than him. U guys surely dont know wut ur talking bout

no he isn't he's 13th (5th per game as previously mentioned)... its not a good idea to tell people they don't know what their talking about when you get something like that wrong
http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersSTLQuery.html?topic=4&stat=13

the problem with AI is that he's consistently tops in the league in turnovers and he's barely had a handful of seasons where he's shot a good percentage... not to mention that he's barely an 80% FT shooter and just over 30% 3pt shooter... he does have a great upside but i don't think he top 10 anymore...

lakerfan4life1
07-27-2008, 06:58 PM
1 kobe bryant

2 lebron james

3 dwayne wade

4 tracey mcgrady

5 kevin garnett

6 tim duncan

7 manu ginobili

8 dirk nowitzki

9 amare stoudemire

10 allen iverson ( 3rd in the nba in scoring with the number 4 scorer on the same team so you have 2 give it 2 a.i and his d is tight)

chris paul had a great season he be top 10 in a year or 2 but come on paul pierce is not even close lol he didnt even have a good season he jus had a good finals wow and now he says he the best my top 10 have been the best 4 the past 5 to 10 years there not 1 hit wonders

balla4life22
07-27-2008, 07:20 PM
1 kobe bryant

2 lebron james

3 dwayne wade

4 tracey mcgrady

5 kevin garnett

6 tim duncan

7 manu ginobili

8 dirk nowitzki

9 amare stoudemire

10 allen iverson ( 3rd in the nba in scoring with the number 4 scorer on the same team so you have 2 give it 2 a.i and his d is tight)

chris paul had a great season he be top 10 in a year or 2 but come on paul pierce is not even close lol he didnt even have a good season he jus had a good finals wow and now he says he the best my top 10 have been the best 4 the past 5 to 10 years there not 1 hit wonders

dude. tmac and manu? CP3 should def be on that list and paul pierce. this is top 10 players now, not in the past 5 years. Paul pierce has been having great seasons his whole career, jsut on bad teams like garnett, allen, and now wade have had.

Detroit[x]
07-27-2008, 07:27 PM
1.) Kobe Bryant
2.) LeBron James
3.) Kevin Garnett
4.) Tim Duncan
5.) Dwayne Wade (When healthy)
6.) Chris Paul
7.) Dwight Howard
8.) Paul Pierce
9.) Tracy McGrady
10.) Carmelo Anthony

Honorable Mention: Deron Williams, Amare Stoudemire, Allen Iverson, Yao Ming, Chris Bosh, Steve Nash, Micheal Redd.

(Super Honorable Mention goes out to my boys Chauncey Rip and Sheed)

lakerfan4life1
07-27-2008, 08:08 PM
come on man balla how can you not have tmac not in the top 10 ur forgettin tmac brought his team 2 the playoffs without yao ming he also led his team 2 20 victorys in a row without yao come on give him his credit if he wasnt bothered by injuries all the time he would b right behind kobe now manu hes a killer the most underrated player in the league hes good enough 2 b a starter with any team but he decide 2 come off the bench hes a killer ask any of the players in the league who they dont like guardin they say kb24 and manu wid out him spurs wont have won the tittle they have. now cp3 is my second fav player but he aint got any d thats y he cant b the top five but he will be there. he only had 1 great season last year would u have mention his name nooo so u cant put his name on that list for 1 year now bak 2 paul hes good but come on top ten lol no way all my 10 ten brought there teams 2 the playoffs by themselves kobe, lebron and dwayne wade when he was healthy with bad teams paul needed ray and kevin 2 bring boston 2 the playoffs his whole carrer hes been a loser. all my top 10 got offense and defense thats what makes a great all around player and thats y mj is the best player 2 ever play the game wilt and kobe is a better scorer then jordan was but jordan can play better d then both so he is the greatest of all time i would like 2 see ur top 10

sanfranfan1210
07-27-2008, 10:49 PM
No but I did when he was on the 76ers

DenButsu
07-27-2008, 11:17 PM
the problem with AI is that he's consistently tops in the league in turnovers and he's barely had a handful of seasons where he's shot a good percentage

Allen Iverson's ball handling efficiency has really improved since he joined the Nuggets. (His shooting efficiency has improved as well, with the unfortunate exception of the playoffs).

I think this has been overlooked by a lot of people.

But just for the record, here are the top 10 shooting guards in the 2007-08 season in assist/turnover ratio and assists per 48 minutes:


RNK NAME AST/TO
1 Brandon Roy, POR 3.16
2 Charlie Bell, MIL 2.76
3 DeShawn Stevenson, WAS 2.47
4 Tracy McGrady, HOU 2.42
5 Allen Iverson, DEN 2.39
6 Richard Hamilton, DET 2.27
7 Vince Carter, NJN 2.15
8 Joe Johnson, ATL 2.13
9 Jamal Crawford, NYK 2.07
10 Delonte West, CLE/OKC 1.96

RNK NAME AP48M
1 Allen Iverson, DEN 8.2
2 Brandon Roy, POR 7.4
3 Manu Ginobili, SAS 6.9
4 Joe Johnson, ATL 6.8
5 Jarrett Jack, POR 6.7
6 Kobe Bryant, LAL 6.6
7 Vince Carter, NJN 6.3
8 Jamal Crawford, NYK 6.0
9 Richard Hamilton, DET 5.9
10 Monta Ellis, GSW 4.9


Now granted, Iverson spends a lot more time as primary ball handler than other SGs do, and if you look at his numbers in comparison with point guards instead of shooting guards, then his numbers will look much less impressive.

But if you factor it in that AI only spends an average of about 14 of his 42 minutes per game at the point, then it's really unfair to say that he's exceptionally turnover prone.

His numbers are actually pretty solid these days.

Chi-Town Finest
07-27-2008, 11:20 PM
yup!!!

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
07-27-2008, 11:20 PM
I would say yes. Who else would take his spot..

JIDsanity
07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

:pity:

JIDsanity
07-27-2008, 11:34 PM
I've read some pretty ridiculous top 10 NBA players predictions in this thread... so let me tell you the way I see it, ASSUMING each player stays healthy the entire season...(and not necessarily in order)
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwight Howard
4. Chris Paul
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Allen Iverson
8. Yao Ming
9. Dwyane Wade
10. Gilbert Arenas

So yes, I think Allen Iverson is a top 10 player in the NBA. To be able to average over 26 points alongside Carmelo, and also 7 assists and over 2 steals, theres no doubt in, in my opinion, that AI belongs in the top 10 still

:cry::cry::clap:
Encore.
Finally a real top ten

ChaseHamels
07-27-2008, 11:42 PM
Allen hasn't been a top 10 player in the league for 3 years now

balla4life22
07-27-2008, 11:43 PM
come on man balla how can you not have tmac not in the top 10 ur forgettin tmac brought his team 2 the playoffs without yao ming he also led his team 2 20 victorys in a row without yao come on give him his credit if he wasnt bothered by injuries all the time he would b right behind kobe now manu hes a killer the most underrated player in the league hes good enough 2 b a starter with any team but he decide 2 come off the bench hes a killer ask any of the players in the league who they dont like guardin they say kb24 and manu wid out him spurs wont have won the tittle they have. now cp3 is my second fav player but he aint got any d thats y he cant b the top five but he will be there. he only had 1 great season last year would u have mention his name nooo so u cant put his name on that list for 1 year now bak 2 paul hes good but come on top ten lol no way all my 10 ten brought there teams 2 the playoffs by themselves kobe, lebron and dwayne wade when he was healthy with bad teams paul needed ray and kevin 2 bring boston 2 the playoffs his whole carrer hes been a loser. all my top 10 got offense and defense thats what makes a great all around player and thats y mj is the best player 2 ever play the game wilt and kobe is a better scorer then jordan was but jordan can play better d then both so he is the greatest of all time i would like 2 see ur top 10

nah way dude i got respect for tmac and ur opinion but pierce brought his team to the ECF when the number 2 option was antoine. I do agree with u that mj is the best player to play the game

phils07
07-27-2008, 11:46 PM
i only read the first page of responses but for those saying "when AI was in Philly --yea..." thats just false. hes better than ever now (field goal percentage seeminly increasing as he gets older; still gets his steals and dimes). hes just still not a top 10 player. this all relates back to his defensive contribution and his teams performances.

balla4life22
07-27-2008, 11:46 PM
my new top 10

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. duncan
4. KG
5. Dwight
6. CP3
7. Dwade
8. AI
9. Pierce
10. Yao Ming/ Dirk

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-27-2008, 11:50 PM
everybody is trippin how is AI not top 10???

Kobe
Lebron
CP3
KG
D12
Yao
DWade(When healthy)
AI
Gilbert Arenas(When Healthy
Tim Duncan

AI is a more prolific scorer than any of those guys, other than Kobe. but, thats not tha argument cuz kobe is the best player right now. avg, more assists other than CP and Lebron. IMO its not question AI isnt top ten.

dwanna23
07-27-2008, 11:55 PM
No....not anymore, when he was in Philly then yeah.

FWI he does better in denver! sorry philly!

*Superman*
07-27-2008, 11:57 PM
Why does everyone(or at least some) have Gilbert in their top ten. He is full of BS and cannt pass the 1st round with a decent team.

dwanna23
07-27-2008, 11:57 PM
my new top 10

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. duncan
4. KG
5. Dwight
6. CP3
7. Dwade
8. AI
9. Pierce
10. Yao Ming/ Dirk


yoa ming??? Dwight 5th?? Duican 3rd? you must not have cable!!!!

*Superman*
07-28-2008, 12:03 AM
1 kobe bryant

2 lebron james

3 dwayne wade

4 tracey mcgrady

5 kevin garnett

6 tim duncan

7 manu ginobili

8 dirk nowitzki

9 amare stoudamire

10 allen iverson ( 3rd in the nba in scoring with the number 4 scorer on the same team so you have 2 give it 2 a.i and his d is tight)

chris paul had a great season he be top 10 in a year or 2 but come on paul pierce is not even close lol he didnt even have a good season he jus had a good finals wow and now he says he the best my top 10 have been the best 4 the past 5 to 10 years there not 1 hit wonders

Haha, you dont even have CP3 or Dwight on their.

*Superman*
07-28-2008, 12:06 AM
everybody is trippin how is AI not top 10???

Kobe
Lebron
CP3
KG
D12
Yao
DWade(When healthy)
AI
Gilbert Arenas(When Healthy
Tim Duncan

AI is a more prolific scorer than any of those guys, other than Kobe. but, thats not tha argument cuz kobe is the best player right now. avg, more assists other than CP and Lebron. IMO its not question AI isnt top ten.

Gilbert better than Duncan?:confused:

dwanna23
07-28-2008, 12:13 AM
ha ha... those last post about their top 10 were a joke.... I mean Yoa ming is on their?? u cant be for real? OK i have cable so i know who should be up there!

top 08' players!
1. Kobe
2. Lebron James (yes over KG!)
3. chris paul (yes boston and KG fans over KG!)
4. KG (he is #4 for now)
5. Paul Pierce
6. Tony parker (i think he is the best player on spurs roster!)
and yes! over tima ducuna!
7. yao ming! sike! come on now!
7. Tracy Mcgrady (he took his team far with out MING!)
8. Dwight Howard (he did good but not too good!)
9. Joe Johnson (Did good agaist BOSTON! give him props haterz!)
10. AI (hes still on top! name some who diserve it more?? didnt think so!)

those players are the REAL top 10! and you know you cant disagree if you have cable like i do! in HD. on MY plasma 50 inch... im rich! lol :clap::eyebrow::p

*Superman*
07-28-2008, 12:15 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwight Howard or Paul
4. Chris Paul or Haward
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Yao Ming
9. Allen Iverson
10. Tracy McGrady

Top 10 list to me.

lakerfan4life1
07-28-2008, 12:36 AM
my new top 10

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. duncan
4. KG
5. Dwight
6. CP3
7. Dwade
8. AI
9. Pierce
10. Yao Ming/ Dirk

good list dont get me wrong you guys on here are misunderstandin me cp3 was the second best player in the league this year but you cant put him on this list 4 1 year if he does it again next year then yea but for 1 season come on i dont know how you guys have dwight whose a beast in the paint has not reached his full potential yet he be the next shaq when shaq was with the lakers and cp3 over amare and tmac. how u get yao ming. All my players on my list can take over the game at any time would u put the ball in dwights hand with 10 second left and trust him 2 win the game honestly

lakerfan4life1
07-28-2008, 01:04 AM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwight Howard or Paul
4. Chris Paul or Haward
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Garnett
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Yao Ming
9. Allen Iverson
10. Tracy McGrady

Top 10 list to me.

yao ming come on are u tryin to tell me that yao is better then amare.amare been eatin yao ming at the center postion b4 shaq came all the time who hasnt he been a poster boy 4 from kobe 2 tmac and even lil nate robertson lol i see your a howard fan so hes goin be the best 2 u but u got him over kevin and duncan he wasnt even better then them this year with the last shot of the game and u guys down by 1 who u goin pass the ball 2? come on u know you goin fire it out 2 rashard or turkoglu? so how could he b the best cp3 is the man and if he puttin up those number like he did this year i wouldnt argue wid u but its 2 early 4 you 2 put him as the best for 1 season
dwight, cp3 and derron williams are the future best players in the nba right now its kobe and lebron time

*Superman*
07-28-2008, 04:25 AM
^ Yao has been finding himself injured a lot often, but his game is really good, he has all the skills put together. In my book Yao Ming is the 2nd best C in the league when fully healthy. Getting postered doesn't mean anything, everyone does. Also you had MANU on your list and your telling me about Yao? Come on now, and you had Dwade at 3 and Tmac at 4? Tmac hasn't had any success in his career to be placed before Duncan, KG and others. Do yourself a favor and fix your list first.lol

I never said it wasn't Kobe or Lebron's time, but i put Paul and 3-4 because he will be even better next season. I have no problem moving Dwight down cause i know he is still raw, but come on at 22 posting the numbers he does with limited offensive skills, and on defense he is a straight up beast.

BTW would it hurt to captialize your letters, it makes everything easier to read.:D

The Blue Baller
07-28-2008, 05:04 AM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

So Pau is better than Wade, Melo, D.Williams (need I go on?)
I'll also assume this is in no particular order, otherwise you have many more problems...

phlp_bj
07-28-2008, 09:01 AM
i wont consider him top 10. he would be top 11. this would be my top 10:

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. garnett
4. paul
5. duncan
6. yao
7. wade
8. pierce
9. dirk
10. amare
11. A.I
12. nash

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 09:28 AM
Top 10 Scorer, yes, not a top 10 player. He's probably still in the top 20 though.

agreed that is the best of way of looking at it...

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 09:29 AM
holy crap get off paul pierece people, he has had one good playoff run and thats it and suddenly he is a top 10 player. Not a chance in hell he deserves to be in the top 10...

RapsFan4Life
07-28-2008, 09:34 AM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO

I would have Iverson before Pierce, ming or gasol .. that was a bad top ten, were is D wade, amare stod.

balla4life22
07-28-2008, 01:03 PM
holy crap get off paul pierece people, he has had one good playoff run and thats it and suddenly he is a top 10 player. Not a chance in hell he deserves to be in the top 10...

clearly u havent watched him before this year. He's been doing this his whole career just on bad teams, kinda like garnett, ray, and maybe even wade now.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 01:25 PM
clearly u havent watched him before this year. He's been doing this his whole career just on bad teams, kinda like garnett, ray, and maybe even wade now.

NO NO and NO. He has been an allstar yes in his career but never a top 10 player IMO. This year he took advantage of having two star players and as a result had a lot less double teams etc to get the ball and score. Pierce is an allstar yes but to call him a top player is just insane in my mind. He has had one great playoff run, thats it. IF he doesnt again than the talk can change but doing it once means nothing.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 01:31 PM
My top 10 IMO

1) Lebron James
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Tim Duncan
4) Chris Paul
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Dwayne Wade
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Steve Nash
9) Chris Bosh
10) Deron Williams

.

bizmess13
07-28-2008, 02:03 PM
not in order

1. kobe
2. lebron
3. garnett
4. duncan
5. cp3
6. d. howard
7. dirk
8. d wade
9. yao ming
10. nash (his floor leading makes up for no d)
11. amare
12. melo
13. Ai

MiamiHeat
07-28-2008, 02:05 PM
he goes between 10-20

balla4life22
07-28-2008, 02:28 PM
NO NO and NO. He has been an allstar yes in his career but never a top 10 player IMO. This year he took advantage of having two star players and as a result had a lot less double teams etc to get the ball and score. Pierce is an allstar yes but to call him a top player is just insane in my mind. He has had one great playoff run, thats it. IF he doesnt again than the talk can change but doing it once means nothing.

Dwade had one great playoff run with shaq and hes considered a top 10 player. I'm not saying dwade isnt but if pierce did that too why cant he be considered top 10

pebloemer
07-28-2008, 03:09 PM
My top 10 IMO

1) Lebron James
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Tim Duncan
4) Chris Paul
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Dwayne Wade
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Steve Nash
9) Chris Bosh
10) Deron Williams

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Your top 5 are really solid, but I would put Amare in the place of Bosh. I don't think Bosh has reached top ten yet - probably top 15 though. I think Nash should be lower for the same reason AI is lower - defense. Wade has the talent to be there but I am curious if his injuries will slow him.

James
Kobe
Duncan
Garnett
Paul
Howard
Amare
Nowitzki
D. Will
Wade

That would be my list. At any rate, AI doesn't crack the list anymore.

MassoDio
07-28-2008, 03:14 PM
NO NO and NO. He has been an allstar yes in his career but never a top 10 player IMO. This year he took advantage of having two star players and as a result had a lot less double teams etc to get the ball and score. Pierce is an allstar yes but to call him a top player is just insane in my mind. He has had one great playoff run, thats it. IF he doesnt again than the talk can change but doing it once means nothing.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_pierce/career_stats.html

I agree with you that Paul Pierce isn't a top ten player in the league. (and neither is AI at this point of his career IMO. Top 15, not top 10)

But to say that Pierce has only had one good playoff run, is completely wrong. Look at his career numbers for both regular season and playoffs. Guy is a baller and has been his whole career. He carried a team with Antoine Walker as the second best player to the conference finals. To say that he only had one good playoff run is absurd, and inaccurate. It just so happens that he sort of faded from recognition for a few years because he team sucked. His playoff averages are damn good compared to almost anyone.

MassoDio
07-28-2008, 03:19 PM
My top 10 IMO

1) Lebron James
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Tim Duncan
4) Chris Paul
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Dwayne Wade
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Steve Nash
9) Chris Bosh
10) Deron Williams

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I do agree with you list though. However I would put Dirk at ten and move everyone below him up one spot.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 03:21 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/paul_pierce/career_stats.html

I agree with you that Paul Pierce isn't a top ten player in the league. (and neither is AI at this point of his career IMO. Top 15, not top 10)

But to say that Pierce has only had one good playoff run, is completely wrong. Look at his career numbers for both regular season and playoffs. Guy is a baller and has been his whole career. He carried a team with Antoine Walker as the second best player to the conference finals. To say that he only had one good playoff run is absurd, and inaccurate. It just so happens that he sort of faded from recognition for a few years because he team sucked. His playoff averages are damn good compared to almost anyone.

fair enough, I tend to get carried away sometimes and frustrated with all the pierce love on the board. He is an allstar that is for sure but I dont think he is a top 10 player and im glad you agree.

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 03:22 PM
I do agree with you list though. However I would put Dirk at ten and move everyone below him up one spot.

thanks.. yeah Nowitzki is tough because i know what he is capable of and his game is unlike any other players in the league. had to keep in the top 10 somewhere.. I also flirted with putting amare in there somewhere.

Hawkeye15
07-28-2008, 03:23 PM
Take off gasol and add Amare

Amare can join the list when he can guard an 82 year old woman finally.
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. KG
4. Duncan
5. Paul
6. Dirk
7. McGrady
8. Wade
9. Anthony
10. Iverson

balla4life22
07-28-2008, 03:31 PM
fair enough, I tend to get carried away sometimes and frustrated with all the pierce love on the board. He is an allstar that is for sure but I dont think he is a top 10 player and im glad you agree.

he waited 10 years to get some love lol come on now he deserves it

Mile High Champ
07-28-2008, 03:40 PM
he waited 10 years to get some love lol come on now he deserves it

Why because he gotten taken off the court and seemed like he broke his legs and than all the sudden a miracle came over him and he could walk and dominate the lakers in the fourth... I just dont see what you see buddy.

The Blue Baller
07-28-2008, 03:52 PM
Iverson must be top 10, he doesn't even need to practice

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

midwestmadman
07-28-2008, 03:57 PM
I wouldn't put Yao in the top ten either. I could careless if he is arguably the best Center in the league right now, all that proves is that the #5 position is weak through out the leauge there are very few true centers out there right now. Just because a player might be the best at the position doesn't automatically place you in the top ten players currently playing.

midwestmadman
07-28-2008, 03:57 PM
Oh yeah bit is AI a top 10 player, nope not anymore.

midwestmadman
07-28-2008, 04:06 PM
Kobe
LeBron
KG
Duncan
Melo
Wade
Chris Paul
T-Mac
Dirk
Bosh

Others I would still consider without question:
E Brand
D. Willaims
S. Nash
A. Stoudemire (left him off lack of D)
I would put those players all ahead of AI and Yao, I would plave Yao ahead of AI though at this point in his career.

eddynooo
07-28-2008, 04:08 PM
the dude can score 50 at will. im pretty sure you can be considered to be in the top 10/15/or 20 players in the league if you can do that.

SeoulBeatz
07-28-2008, 04:17 PM
No

1 Kevin Garnett.

2 Kobe Bryant.

3 Tim Duncan.

4 Lebron James.

5 Paul Pierce.

6 Dirk Nowitzky.

7 Dwight Howard.

8 Chris Paul.

9 Yao Ming.

10 Pau Gasol.

so NO


ahahahahaha!!!!HAHAAHAHAHA!!AHAHAH

pau gasol is a wimpy ******. he is probably the softest most overrated big in the NBA.


but back to AI, no, he is no longer a top 10 player in the nba.

top 20, sure.


he was top 5 in his prime though

Young_Josh
07-28-2008, 05:01 PM
Pau? Iverson is top ten and dirk is not. Dirk is one of the softest players in the nba...dwade and g state proved that...if your going to put pierce in the list then you have to put dwade in it to because he was way better in the finals then pierce. Amare is not top ten and melo isnt either

duncan
garnett
kobe
lebron
wade
cp3
D Howard
D will
yao
AI

balla4life22
07-28-2008, 07:38 PM
Why because he gotten taken off the court and seemed like he broke his legs and than all the sudden a miracle came over him and he could walk and dominate the lakers in the fourth... I just dont see what you see buddy.

no bud cuz hes been putting up numbers his whole career and doing everything by himself including getting his team to the ECF twice a couple years back all by himself. and u bringing up the knee thing was the most random thing ever what does that have to do with this lol

Hawkeye15
07-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Why because he gotten taken off the court and seemed like he broke his legs and than all the sudden a miracle came over him and he could walk and dominate the lakers in the fourth... I just dont see what you see buddy.

Pierce was stabbed like 20 times in 2001, then played in a game 2 weeks later. He is tougher than most, sorry

JIDsanity
07-28-2008, 08:05 PM
My top 10 IMO

1) Lebron James
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Tim Duncan
4) Chris Paul
5) Kevin Garnett
6) Dwayne Wade
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8) Steve Nash
9) Chris Bosh
10) Deron Williams

.

You stole my list. :p
But on a serious note I like this better than the other one. It' identical to one a made a few month's ago.

JIDsanity
07-28-2008, 08:10 PM
Pierce was stabbed like 20 times in 2001, then played in a game 2 weeks later. He is tougher than most, sorry

Pierce is the most arrogant player in the NBA. He's more cocky than he is tough. Which is a word I believe you are using out of context as far as the NBA goes. Tough is normally used in regard to Defense, and he's way overrated there.

balla4life22
07-28-2008, 08:24 PM
Pierce is the most arrogant player in the NBA. He's more cocky than he is tough. Which is a word I believe you are using out of context as far as the NBA goes. Tough is normally used in regard to Defense, and he's way overrated there.

if hes so arrogant then how did the celtics win the championship you idiot. They wouldnt have won if they had selfish players on the team. That is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. You don't know anything about basketball.

PJAF
07-28-2008, 08:35 PM
Yes.