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-Lavigne43-
07-24-2008, 12:45 PM
Boston Red Sox (60-43) vs New York Yankees (56-45)


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Location: Fenway Park (http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/bos/ballpark/index.jsp)


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Game 1

Friday, July 25 - 7:05 ET



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BOS: LHP Josh Beckett (9-6, 3.98, 1.158 WHIP) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beckejo02.shtml) vs NYY: RHP Joba Chamberlain (2-3, 2.52, 1.304 WHIP) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chambjo03.shtml)


Red Sox: The ace fired a complete game in his last start, though it was in a losing cause. Beckett took a 2-0 lead into the seventh against the Angels, only to be roughed up in a four-run rally. This time around, Beckett will be facing the Yankees, a team he is 3-0 against this season with a 3.92 ERA. Beckett has given the Red Sox at least six innings in 10 of his last 11 starts. In seven Fenway starts, he is 5-1 with a 4.82 ERA.



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Yankees: Chamberlain pitched six strong innings against the A's on Saturday afternoon but came away with his seventh no-decision in nine starts. The right-hander gave up just one earned run and six hits. He struck out eight batters and walked one after recording no walks in his previous start. Chamberlain said he's gotten comfortable with his starting role and has been able to get ahead in counts more. He has not given up more than three earned runs in any of his starts.


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Game 2

Saturday, July 26 - 3:55 ET



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BOS: RHP Tim Wakefield (6-7, 3.69, 1.160 WHIP) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml) vs NYY: LHP Andy Pettitte (11-7, 3.86, 1.286 WHIP) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pettian01.shtml)



Red Sox: Don't let the knuckleballer's record fool you. Wakefield has been one of the most consistent starters in the American League this season. Of late, he has delivered machine-like consistency, going at least seven innings in nine of his last 10 starts and giving up three earned runs or less in all but one of those outings. In four July starts, Wakefield is 1-2 with a 2.96 ERA. Wakefield took the loss in his last start, giving up six hits and four runs over seven-plus innings against the Angels. This is his second start against the Yankees this season. On July 6, Wakefield took a no-decision, giving up four hits and three runs over 6 1/3 innings.


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Yankees: Pettitte didn't make many mistakes in his eight innings against Oakland on Sunday, giving up four hits with no walks, the lone run coming in the sixth. But he retired the side in the next two innings, part of six 1-2-3 frames. Pettitte struck out five of the first 11 hitters in the 114-pitch outing. The Yankees had a reliever warming up in the bullpen in the seventh and eighth innings, but they didn't need them.



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Game 3

Sunday, July 27 - 8:05 ET



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BOS: LHP Jon Lester (8-3, 3.20, 1.315 WHIP) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lestejo01.shtml) vs TBA (x-x, -.--) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hernafe02.shtml)



Red Sox:Lester continues to be a consistent force for the Red Sox. In his last start, he mowed down the Mariners with 7 1/3 shutout innings, striking out six, and did not issue a walk. Lester has held the opponent scoreless in six of his 21 starts on the season. His only previous start against the Yankees this season was a shutout on July 3 at Yankee Stadium. In 10 Fenway starts, Lester is 4-1 with a 2.93 ERA. He is holding opponents to a .259 batting average.




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Yankees: TBA





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-Lavigne43-
07-24-2008, 01:02 PM
We have the advantage in every match up, we are better then them, we are at home, Ortiz is back and should bring a ton of energy to the team. We should at least take 2/3.

ZHawk1123
07-24-2008, 01:21 PM
We'll take 2 outta 3

Loss friday... Take the weekend...

Tragedy
07-24-2008, 03:53 PM
We have the advantage in every match up, we are better then them, we are at home, Ortiz is back and should bring a ton of energy to the team. We should at least take 2/3.
Now, I won't say Joba > Beckett (Not yet, anyways), but Joba is a very, very good pitcher. He's a shut down type of pitcher. That's going to be the most interesting match up, I believe.

REMINDER: We're not tolorating baiting during this series. Lavigne, Yankeefan28, Redsoxtober, and myself will all be on the lookout for any Red Sox or Yankees fans that want to bait/flame/insult other members.

Also, Red Sox fans, we've had plenty of problems in the past where you guys No names specifically) went to the Yankees forum to start baiting. That's simply not going to be tolerated this weekend, so lets try and keep it clean/fun.

Davey24
07-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Now, I won't say Joba > Beckett (Not yet, anyways), but Joba is a very, very good pitcher. He's a shut down type of pitcher. That's going to be the most interesting match up, I believe.

REMINDER: We're not tolorating baiting during this series. Lavigne, Yankeefan28, Redsoxtober, and myself will all be on the lookout for any Red Sox or Yankees fans that want to bait/flame/insult other members.

Also, Red Sox fans, we've had plenty of problems in the past where you guys No names specifically) went to the Yankees forum to start baiting. That's simply not going to be tolerated this weekend, so lets try and keep it clean/fun.

I agree about Joba. He has pitched very well since becoming a starter but the Yanks haven't supplied run support to get him wins. It will certainly be a fun matchup to start the series with a bang. I predict Yanks win 2 of 3. Pettite and Joba have just been too hot recently to predict a loss for them. If Manny is playing, then I might be inclined to say 2/3 for the Sox. But assuming he doesn't play, I'm guessing 2/3 Yanks, with the loss coming in the Sunday match.

And thanks for keeping these boards clean of those annoying baiters.

-Lavigne43-
07-24-2008, 04:41 PM
Now, I won't say Joba > Beckett (Not yet, anyways), but Joba is a very, very good pitcher. He's a shut down type of pitcher. That's going to be the most interesting match up, I believe.


I don't think Joba is there yet. He has yet to pitch more than 6 innings in a game and he has been lucky to give so few runs with a 1.3 WHIP.

CBON9
07-24-2008, 05:42 PM
I agree about Joba. He has pitched very well since becoming a starter but the Yanks haven't supplied run support to get him wins. It will certainly be a fun matchup to start the series with a bang. I predict Yanks win 2 of 3. Pettite and Joba have just been too hot recently to predict a loss for them. If Manny is playing, then I might be inclined to say 2/3 for the Sox. But assuming he doesn't play, I'm guessing 2/3 Yanks, with the loss coming in the Sunday match.

And thanks for keeping these boards clean of those annoying baiters.


I agree. Yanks definitely have the ability to take 2 out of 3 this weekend. Joba has been improving each of his starts since moving from the bullpen and Pettitte is on an upswing. Our bullpen has been lights out and the offense seems to have woke up. All that being said, its going to be a great series.

The Intimidator
07-24-2008, 05:45 PM
It will be interesting to see how the Sox handle Joba at Fenway, seeing that he has never started there. He had one relief appearance there last season. My point is that the Sox were able to get 3 runs off of him in 6 innings, and considering that the game was at Yankee Stadium and we had no David Ortiz in the lineup, we should be confident in our ability to score some runs off him tomorrow. It's no secret that we hit better at Fenway. That being said, it will be more interesting to see if Beckett can put together a good start tomorrow night, because he is very inconsistent right now. Saturday is a crapshoot, because Wake has been great, but on any given day that knuckleball can just fly out of the park. We lit up Pettitte earlier this month, but he has been hot lately and you just can't predict what will happen in that game. I will go out on a limb and say that Sunday is an absolute win, because I have all the confidence in the world in Lester right now. Overall, I think the Sox could very well sweep the Yankees, but it is more likely that they take 2 out of 3.

Gangreenseason
07-24-2008, 05:54 PM
A close AL East Race, Red Sox All Stars treated like crap at Yankee Stadium, and hot temperatures at Fenway Park this weekend, i just cant wait. I got tickets for this weekend a long time ago and it will pay off (without my Yankee Hat of course, those boston fans are little too much for me).

I expect a little scrap this weekend.

Fridays Game could be a very volatile situation.
Joba vs. Youkilis (Youkilis keeps thinking Joba is targeting him exclusively)

A Rod vs. Varitek (Varitek is always picking on A Rod, i think he has a crush on him personally)

and u throw in instigators such as Pedroia (who is an *** hole) Beckett (he does not back down when challenged) and Farnsworth (Acts just like Beckett) Charge the Mound and ask questions later Richie Sexson and Duck & Swing Coco Crisp.

i just wish we had Posada there. other than him the yanks are pretty soft.

:dance::dance2::dance::dance2:

The Intimidator
07-24-2008, 06:10 PM
A close AL East Race, Red Sox All Stars treated like crap at Yankee Stadium, and hot temperatures at Fenway Park this weekend, i just cant wait. I got tickets for this weekend a long time ago and it will pay off (without my Yankee Hat of course, those boston fans are little too much for me).

I expect a little scrap this weekend.

Fridays Game could be a very volatile situation.
Joba vs. Youkilis (Youkilis keeps thinking Joba is targeting him exclusively)

A Rod vs. Varitek (Varitek is always picking on A Rod, i think he has a crush on him personally)

and u throw in instigators such as Pedroia (who is an *** hole) Beckett (he does not back down when challenged) and Farnsworth (Acts just like Beckett) Charge the Mound and ask questions later Richie Sexson and Duck & Swing Coco Crisp.

i just wish we had Posada there. other than him the yanks are pretty soft.

:dance::dance2::dance::dance2:

1. Can you blame Youkilis for thinking he is being targeted, between last year and this year?

2. Well, A-Rod is pretty dreamy... :D

3. How can you prove that Pedroia is an ***hole? Have you ever talked to him? Don't make stupid statements unless you back them up too.

TheLogical
07-24-2008, 06:21 PM
I don't understand why you think Pedroia is an A-hole, what have you got against him? Beating the hell out of you? :bla:

Also I think we have a good chance of winning 2 out of 3.

The key is Papi coming up from the AAA stint.

Joba vs. Beckett, well fought out battle.
Pettite vs. Wake, The key is if the Yankees see Wakes knuckle well.

Gangreenseason
07-24-2008, 07:06 PM
I am sorry that I called Pedroia an *** hole without no merit to it. I probably just never liked the Kid from Day one when he accused A Rod of trying to take him out when Rodriguez came in hard trying to break up a double play in 7-3 Red Sox Win at the Stadium last year. A Rod bumped Pedroia with his elbow after reaching second.

Also maybe cause I think he still looks like an *** hole and I just want him to be one. That was very biased of me.

terriblemente69
07-24-2008, 07:35 PM
We should take 2/3, they are playing a pretty good baseball right now, so we have to re-gain some ground in the race

Brooke
07-24-2008, 07:48 PM
How is Pedroia a A-Hole?

This should be a interesting series. I think the Sox can win two games. They are one of the better home teams in the league

The pitcher I trust the most is Lester, he has been the most consistent. Wakefield is having a great season but the Sox need to give him more run support. Beckett has been on and off, if Beckett pitches really well and gets some run support we should be fine

I am so glad Big Papi will be back :)

The Intimidator
07-24-2008, 10:07 PM
I am sorry that I called Pedroia an *** hole without no merit to it. I probably just never liked the Kid from Day one when he accused A Rod of trying to take him out when Rodriguez came in hard trying to break up a double play in 7-3 Red Sox Win at the Stadium last year. A Rod bumped Pedroia with his elbow after reaching second.

Also maybe cause I think he still looks like an *** hole and I just want him to be one. That was very biased of me.

thank you...of course you are entitled to your opinion, we just wanted some concrete evidence to back it up if you were going to make it public.

and i remember that A-Rod/Pedroia play...it could have gone either way.

Tragedy
07-24-2008, 11:19 PM
A Rod vs. Varitek (Varitek is always picking on A Rod, i think he has a crush on him personally)
Wait, what? All that I ever remember with the two was the one incident back in 2004. I've never heard of ANY type of issues since.

gcoll
07-25-2008, 01:18 AM
This series should go our way.

The Red Sox are a better team than the Yanks. And if we run into any trouble in mid relief, hopefully a Masterson/Papelbon combo will bail us out. But all 3 of our starters in this series are capable of going 7+ innings.

Also, with Masterson to the pen, and Ortiz making his return.....our team is primed to make strong push for division supremacy.

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 09:02 AM
I agree about Joba. He has pitched very well since becoming a starter but the Yanks haven't supplied run support to get him wins. It will certainly be a fun matchup to start the series with a bang. I predict Yanks win 2 of 3. Pettite and Joba have just been too hot recently to predict a loss for them. If Manny is playing, then I might be inclined to say 2/3 for the Sox. But assuming he doesn't play, I'm guessing 2/3 Yanks, with the loss coming in the Sunday match.

And thanks for keeping these boards clean of those annoying baiters.

Not sure why you consider Pettitte "too hot recently". In his last four starts he's given up 4ER or more twice, including 5ER in 4-2/3IP at BOS on Jun 3. He may be pitching well but the recent results don't really show it.

I do think I'd give you the advantage in the opener. The return of Ortiz will give the Sox an emotional boost but Beckett is just not giving me the confidence he did a year ago (I'd take Lester over him in a one game playoff or to start a playoff series). Beckett's home ERA and relative instability make me doubt him tonight.

Tragedy
07-25-2008, 09:45 AM
Not sure why you consider Pettitte "too hot recently". In his last four starts he's given up 4ER or more twice, including 5ER in 4-2/3IP at BOS on Jun 3. He may be pitching well but the recent results don't really show it.

I do think I'd give you the advantage in the opener. The return of Ortiz will give the Sox an emotional boost but Beckett is just not giving me the confidence he did a year ago (I'd take Lester over him in a one game playoff or to start a playoff series). Beckett's home ERA and relative instability make me doubt him tonight.
I love what Lester has done for this team as much as the next guy, but you can't be serious when you believe you really would take Lester OVER former World Series MVP Josh Beckett in a 1 game playoff/Game 1. I'd be taking Beckett all the way. As he proved in both 2003 and 2007, the Postseason is far and away his favorite time of the year.

Davey24
07-25-2008, 10:18 AM
Not sure why you consider Pettitte "too hot recently". In his last four starts he's given up 4ER or more twice, including 5ER in 4-2/3IP at BOS on Jun 3. He may be pitching well but the recent results don't really show it.

I do think I'd give you the advantage in the opener. The return of Ortiz will give the Sox an emotional boost but Beckett is just not giving me the confidence he did a year ago (I'd take Lester over him in a one game playoff or to start a playoff series). Beckett's home ERA and relative instability make me doubt him tonight.

Yeah, mayb e recently isn't the right word. I was more looking at the past two months as a whole for Pettite. You are right. He did have 2 bad outings in the past two months. But at the same time, he had 6 wins, three of which were 8 full innings, and in all those 6 wins combined, he gave up a total of 4 earned runs. Yes, the game against Lester earlier this month was a bad spot for him. But other than a few blemishes recently, Pettite has been one of the Yankees best and most durable pitchers. It would be prudent to count him out too early.

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 10:42 AM
I love what Lester has done for this team as much as the next guy, but you can't be serious when you believe you really would take Lester OVER former World Series MVP Josh Beckett in a 1 game playoff/Game 1. I'd be taking Beckett all the way. As he proved in both 2003 and 2007, the Postseason is far and away his favorite time of the year.

Yeah, I really would. Beckett was incredible last year, especially in the playoffs. What impressed me most was the way he kept his composure. He was totally unflappable. It was like he was in his own world and everyone else (teammates included!) were only privileged to watch.

Still, this year is very different. Something just doesn't feel right to me when I watch him pitch. I can't really put my finger on it. By contrast, since getting a minor adjustment from Farrell Lester has been incredible. He was more than serviceable in the playoffs and he's absolutely pounding the zone. Hitters are forced to swing because he's locating so well.

One reason why I'd do this: teams rarely see great LHP these days. Lester is approaching that and could make for a tough win for a RHP at #1. Follow that with Beckett against #2? You could have a team on the ropes. Certainly you could flip the argument, I'm just really swayed by the way Lester is throwing enough to try it. It's tough to argue with a 2.72 era, 66k/21bb over 93.33 since May 1, not to mention two complete game shutouts (obviously the no hitter). Beckett was trending in the right direction but kinda blew up this month with a 5.68era and no real great outings.


Yeah, mayb e recently isn't the right word. I was more looking at the past two months as a whole for Pettite. You are right. He did have 2 bad outings in the past two months. But at the same time, he had 6 wins, three of which were 8 full innings, and in all those 6 wins combined, he gave up a total of 4 earned runs. Yes, the game against Lester earlier this month was a bad spot for him. But other than a few blemishes recently, Pettite has been one of the Yankees best and most durable pitchers. It would be prudent to count him out too early.

I'm certainly far from counting Pettitte out. I have a lot of respect for him as a player and a person. I was only questioning your assertion about his hot streak.

FWIW, have you checked out what Wakefield (his counterpart tomorrow) has been doing? Starting with his May 28 effort at SEA he has only failed to pitch 7+ innings once. He's got a 2.62 era, 0.949 whip, 49k/17bb in 65.333 IP over that span. Pettitte has been very good as well (3.56era, 0.981 whip, 53k/14bb in 73.33IP) over the same span, with a couple more good games before that.

If there's an advantage at the moment it's only that Wake has been slightly better at home than Pettitte has been on the road. It's not enough to really tip the balance, just a slight edge. It'll be a much better game than most anticipate.

I feel bad for Wake. He just continues to be one of those guys who could put up goose eggs for the rest of the year and no one would notice b/c baseball fans love fastballs.

Cronin
07-25-2008, 10:55 AM
Go Redsox!

Davey24
07-25-2008, 10:56 AM
Yeah, I really would. Beckett was incredible last year, especially in the playoffs. What impressed me most was the way he kept his composure. He was totally unflappable. It was like he was in his own world and everyone else (teammates included!) were only privileged to watch.

Still, this year is very different. Something just doesn't feel right to me when I watch him pitch. I can't really put my finger on it. By contrast, since getting a minor adjustment from Farrell Lester has been incredible. He was more than serviceable in the playoffs and he's absolutely pounding the zone. Hitters are forced to swing because he's locating so well.

One reason why I'd do this: teams rarely see great LHP these days. Lester is approaching that and could make for a tough win for a RHP at #1. Follow that with Beckett against #2? You could have a team on the ropes. Certainly you could flip the argument, I'm just really swayed by the way Lester is throwing enough to try it. It's tough to argue with a 2.72 era, 66k/21bb over 93.33 since May 1, not to mention two complete game shutouts (obviously the no hitter). Beckett was trending in the right direction but kinda blew up this month with a 5.68era and no real great outings.



I'm certainly far from counting Pettitte out. I have a lot of respect for him as a player and a person. I was only questioning your assertion about his hot streak.

FWIW, have you checked out what Wakefield (his counterpart tomorrow) has been doing? Starting with his May 28 effort at SEA he has only failed to pitch 7+ innings once. He's got a 2.62 era, 0.949 whip, 49k/17bb in 65.333 IP over that span. Pettitte has been very good as well (3.56era, 0.981 whip, 53k/14bb in 73.33IP) over the same span, with a couple more good games before that.

If there's an advantage at the moment it's only that Wake has been slightly better at home than Pettitte has been on the road. It's not enough to really tip the balance, just a slight edge. It'll be a much better game than most anticipate.

I feel bad for Wake. He just continues to be one of those guys who could put up goose eggs for the rest of the year and no one would notice b/c baseball fans love fastballs.

Oh no doubt. Wakefield has been a machine lately and is always capable of completely shutting down the opposition. Two workhorses one on one should make for a great match.

brokenleg7
07-25-2008, 11:08 AM
I didn't want to say this, but now I am forced to since it was brought up. I was horrified when I heard the Yankee Stadium crowd react to certain players when they were announced or took the field, etc... This would have been the perfect time to unify the league, if just for one night, and win a baseball game that now has meaning. Instead, it was just another night at Yankee Stadium for me. Yet, even after all of that, I am still going to miss the old park. It is one of those places that you are in awe of.

Back to this weekend....

I honestly feel as though the Yankees are coming into Fenway at the WRONG time, if you are Red Sox fan. They are getting good pitching, something that people were knocking them for when the season started. We all know they can hit, but watching them since the All Star break makes me concerned. Aren't they undefeated since the break?

This weekend spells trouble for the Sox. I would be happy if they took one.

ERLynx
07-25-2008, 01:04 PM
I didn't want to say this, but now I am forced to since it was brought up. I was horrified when I heard the Yankee Stadium crowd react to certain players when they were announced or took the field, etc...

it wouldnt have been any different at fenway.

Superiority
07-25-2008, 01:09 PM
I'm certainly far from counting Pettitte out. I have a lot of respect for him as a player and a person. I was only questioning your assertion about his hot streak.

FWIW, have you checked out what Wakefield (his counterpart tomorrow) has been doing? Starting with his May 28 effort at SEA he has only failed to pitch 7+ innings once. He's got a 2.62 era, 0.949 whip, 49k/17bb in 65.333 IP over that span. Pettitte has been very good as well (3.56era, 0.981 whip, 53k/14bb in 73.33IP) over the same span, with a couple more good games before that.

If there's an advantage at the moment it's only that Wake has been slightly better at home than Pettitte has been on the road. It's not enough to really tip the balance, just a slight edge. It'll be a much better game than most anticipate.

I feel bad for Wake. He just continues to be one of those guys who could put up goose eggs for the rest of the year and no one would notice b/c baseball fans love fastballs.


Wakefields career stats vs Yankees


Career vs. NYY 46 29 9 16 1 2 0 208.1 184 129 116 37 111 140 5.01 1.42 .238

Davey24
07-25-2008, 01:19 PM
it wouldnt have been any different at fenway.

It definitely wouldn't have been any different at Fenway. But the thing is, sure the Sox got booed, but it was more of just a "friendly" thing, or an obligation. But didn't you hear the cheers when JD Drew tied the game? I'll bet a majority of the Yanks fans in that stadium were happy to see the AL tie the game. Besides, JD Drew is not a hated player. Yes, sure, he plays for the Sox so he gets the round of boos at the intros, but he got his cheers when he did his part.

Papelbon is a different story. He just always has something to say and that just irks Yankees fans after awhile. Also, I was watching the parade and the guy wouldn't stop flaunting his ring to the fans just to aggrevate them. He is far more of a hated player and really works for his boos in Yankee stadium. There was no chance for a cheer for a guy like that in an opposing stadium.

But like the guy before me said, it would have been the exact same at Fenway so its really all pretty moot.

ERLynx
07-25-2008, 01:25 PM
You dont think JD Drew is a hated player? You've obviously never been to Philadelphia.

And I agree with you that Papelbon is pretty brash and easy to dislike if you're not a Boston fan. Sometimes I wish he would chill a little bit, too. That's why when Joba does his fist-pump thing, I really have no argument against it.

Davey24
07-25-2008, 01:28 PM
You dont think JD Drew is a hated player? You've obviously never been to Philadelphia.

And I agree with you that Papelbon is pretty brash and easy to dislike if you're not a Boston fan. Sometimes I wish he would chill a little bit, too. That's why when Joba does his fist-pump thing, I really have no argument against it.

I meant JD isn't hated in NY specifically. And about Joba, he definitely toned down his craziness on the mound. You will very rarely see him do his little fist pump and shout anymore, and he will never face the batter while doing it either. He definitely had a problem with it at first, but he toned it down. And that certainly is something Papelbon will learn as he gets older. Yes, he is as good as they come, and with that level of skill should come a level of maturity that equals it.

kazzy4080
07-25-2008, 02:03 PM
i think the sox will take 2 out of 3

CBON9
07-25-2008, 03:10 PM
it wouldnt have been any different at fenway.

That is true.... And lets also remember that it wasn't ONLY Yankee fans at the All-Star game.

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 03:40 PM
Wakefields career stats vs Yankees


Career vs. NYY 46 29 9 16 1 2 0 208.1 184 129 116 37 111 140 5.01 1.42 .238

First, it'd be helpful if you could bother to post stats with headings. Of course, we could look at them on yahoo, too, if you'd have even given the reference.

Second, the good thing about averages is that they can help give some broadcontext. The bad thing is that they ignore specific context. Specifically, Wakefield is having a good year this year and has been pitching exceptionally well for the last two months. The career numbers include his up years, his down years, and his years as a closer. Not all that is relevent. It also includes Wake vs NYY at Yankee Stadium and Wake vs NYY at Fenway. Which of those is more relevant?

Finally, if you would like to share the broadcontext, you might find that that's a mixed bag. Aside from W-L (repeat the warnings about W-L being a bad indicator of pitching here _____________), his other numbers are virtually identical to his career numbers: whip is 5% higher, avg is 5% lower, era is 10% higher. So, I guess your point is that the Yankees do as well as the average MLB team when they face Wakefield, right?

IF we want to play that game, care to look at Pettitte's more relevant numbers like since Papi joined the Sox (5-3, 5.48era, 1.56 whip) or since Andy came back to the AL (2-2, 5.77era, 1.82whip)?

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 04:09 PM
it wouldnt have been any different at fenway.

Except that it was different at Fenway when the ASG was played there.

KmB728
07-25-2008, 04:19 PM
Pedroia and Youk are batting 1 and 2 tonight, Ellsbury is batting 9th lets see how this combo works out

Tragedy
07-25-2008, 04:24 PM
Pedroia and Youk are batting 1 and 2 tonight, Ellsbury is batting 9th lets see how this combo works out
This is a great combo at the top of the order. I know Youk will do a wonderful job up there, but I do like him down in the 6/7 spot just because he's been such a great run producer for this team.

All I know is I can not WAIT until Papi gets AB #1.

SoxRTattedOnMe
07-25-2008, 06:31 PM
hmmmm manny being manny huh... what a jerk... he's sitting this game out.. i wonder how long it will be for

KmB728
07-25-2008, 06:33 PM
Man it would have been great to have Manny and Papi hitting back to back like old times, but he is sitting out again

So for what i said about the order above might be different, because when i saw it on Boston.com Manny was in it, him not playing might move Youk down or Ellsbury up im not sure

SoxRTattedOnMe
07-25-2008, 06:40 PM
Man it would have been great to have Manny and Papi hitting back to back like old times, but he is sitting out again

So for what i said about the order above might be different, because when i saw it on Boston.com Manny was in it, him not playing might move Youk down or Ellsbury up im not sure


yeah youk is hitting cleanup

-Lavigne43-
07-25-2008, 06:53 PM
Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
David Ortiz, DH
Kevin Youkilis, 1B
Mike Lowell, 3B
J.D. Drew, RF
Jed Lowrie, SS
Jason Varitek, C
Coco Crisp, CF

That's the lineup. Manny better be actually unable to play

-Lavigne43-
07-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Thank God Beckett got out of that

KmB728
07-25-2008, 07:24 PM
Lets go Papi!

KmB728
07-25-2008, 07:29 PM
awhh that was a great at bat... its understandable, hes hasnt seen a proffesional pitch in quite some time

iam brett favre
07-25-2008, 07:34 PM
nice swing by Youk!

good 1st inning, both pitchers had to work hard to get out of it

-Lavigne43-
07-25-2008, 07:43 PM
Their Melky-Molina-Gardner is like our Crisp-Tek-Lugo

BosoxPapi61
07-25-2008, 08:13 PM
Incase you guys don't know, the Yankees just aquired Marte, and Nady, no word on what for

KmB728
07-25-2008, 08:21 PM
Its alright we added a bat in Ortiz and a bull pen arm in Masterson

Tragedy
07-25-2008, 08:40 PM
And some Red Sox fans and non Yankee fans believe that Joba is "overrated". The kid is exactly that (A kid), and look at what he's doing in an important game.

Cronin
07-25-2008, 09:03 PM
Let's win this game!

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 09:05 PM
And some Red Sox fans and non Yankee fans believe that Joba is "overrated". The kid is exactly that (A kid), and look at what he's doing in an important game.

I admit he has the stuff.. but I still hate how he wears his hat.. haha

bosox1899
07-25-2008, 09:06 PM
man our offense needs to wake up! we cannot be losing games to the yankees by 1-0

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 09:06 PM
great play by Jed.. quick ..

ZHawk1123
07-25-2008, 09:22 PM
This Chamberlain - Youk thing is getting insane... Why the **** does he keep throwing at him??????????

KmB728
07-25-2008, 09:23 PM
Joba throws at Youks head again... thats crap

tc2deuce
07-25-2008, 09:24 PM
This Chamberlain - Youk thing is getting insane... Why the **** does he keep throwing at him??????????

******* CHAMBERLAIN!!! perfect fit for the yanks!:mad:

Silver88
07-25-2008, 09:28 PM
This is vintage Yankees-Red Sox right here, bad blood is going on between Youkilis and Joba

Silver88
07-25-2008, 09:29 PM
Manny Delcarmen in.

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 09:30 PM
Well if Joba would keep the ball away from Youk.

I know Kevin crowds the plate and all, but it seems like he's the only player Joba ever "loses control" on.. I was on the fence was the 2 from last year.. but now I have no reason to believe that he's doing it on purpose.

bosox4life54
07-25-2008, 09:30 PM
Wow the bats need to wake up now! The pitching has been good and considering how many baserunners the Yanks have had we are lucky we are only down one.

bosox1899
07-25-2008, 09:38 PM
im a little late but why does youk swing at a 3-0 pitch? then goes on to swing at the next 2 before striking out? take a few damn pitches wtf!!

Petertherock
07-25-2008, 09:38 PM
If Joba keeps throwing the ball at Youk's head then Youk needs to swing the bat at Joba's head. I think the bat would hurt harder than the ball.

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 09:42 PM
great hit jed.

bosox4life54
07-25-2008, 09:51 PM
It wasnt a 3-0 count on youk it was 2-1 NESN had it wrong.

bosox4life54
07-25-2008, 09:54 PM
Pedrioa needs a rbi single then papi with the gw hit

bosox4life54
07-25-2008, 09:55 PM
Well dang that sucks now we need Papi, Youk, Lowell, Drew to get atleast one run. Two would be nice!

KmB728
07-25-2008, 09:57 PM
We need Papi to be clutch next inning...

tc2deuce
07-25-2008, 09:58 PM
I hate losing games like these......tell manny to fix his hang nail and get in the game!!!!!!!":mad: he is JD Drewing it"

KmB728
07-25-2008, 09:59 PM
Its not over yet tc2deuce... we have a chance next inning

SoxRTattedOnMe
07-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Francona Francona Francona..... great way to leave tek in there . Leadoff hit n we keep this bum at the plate! Cant even move the runner to second. And then ellsburry... wow all that hype and he cant get the bat off his shoulders.... ok ok it should of been a ball but oh well.... Sit his *** down bring Moss back up

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Papi Youk Drew Lowell next inning... we have a chance still dont freak out guys

Maybe Manny will pinch hit for someone? idk ... if he was gunna pinch hit it should been last inning for Tek or Crisp

bosox1899
07-25-2008, 10:04 PM
well that was easy, will someone on this team be clutch for once damn it

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Youuuuuuuuuuuuuk

tc2deuce
07-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Ellsbury...welcome to the sophomore slump!

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:10 PM
Cmon man that was inside

bosox1899
07-25-2008, 10:10 PM
can anyone tell me if that was a strike to lowell? from gamecast that looked way inside and a little high

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Wow, I have never seen, nor expected Mike Lowell to go off like that.

Petertherock
07-25-2008, 10:11 PM
We have umpires that are on the Yankees payroll!! Cheating umpires and what a dirty team the Yankees are!! The worst umpiring job of the year hands down!!

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:11 PM
can anyone tell me if that was a strike to lowell? from gamecast that looked way inside and a little high

Nope it was inside and Lowell went crazy and got thrown out

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:12 PM
We have umpires that are on the Yankees payroll!! Cheating umpires and what a dirty team the Yankees are!! The worst umpiring job of the year hands down!!


We just cant hit :mad::mad::mad:

MelkyNYY
07-25-2008, 10:12 PM
We have umpires that are on the Yankees payroll!! Cheating umpires and what a dirty team the Yankees are!! The worst umpiring job of the year hands down!!

Beckett was given the plate the entire start of the game. The UMP was bad, he isn't the reason Boston lost.

very good game

bosox1899
07-25-2008, 10:12 PM
wow thats ****ing pathetic both go down looking to end the game, this team has absolutely no clutch hitters

Greenmonster24
07-25-2008, 10:13 PM
Who gives a **** about baseball this ****in umps are ****in horrible. I want to get my Pistal and shot the ump as that wasn't even close to the strikezone on lowell

gcoll
07-25-2008, 10:14 PM
Beckett was given the plate the entire start of the game. The UMP was bad, he isn't the reason Boston lost.

very good game

The ump isn't the reason we lost.

But Beckett didn't get that kind of strike zone at all. It's because of the movement on it. Even the pitch to Ellsbury that struck him out was well outside.

The reason Boston lost is because they couldn't hit.

Also. Just as an FYI. With the number of Joba fastballs at Youkilis' head....I never want to hear another Yankee fan complain about the Red Sox pitchers throwing at them.

About Joba though. He pitches backwards...which is odd for a guy with such a hard fastball.

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-25-2008, 10:14 PM
wow thats ****ing pathetic both go down looking to end the game, this team has absolutely no clutch hitters

Lowell's was clearly a ball. Drew probably should have swung considering he had two pitches in almost identical places that were called for strikes...

NYMetros
07-25-2008, 10:15 PM
I can't believe the pitch Lowell struck out on was a strike. Looked way inside to me. Seemed like Lowell had a legitimate case there.

MelkyNYY
07-25-2008, 10:16 PM
The ump isn't the reason we lost.

But Beckett didn't get that kind of strike zone at all. It's because of the movement on it. Even the pitch to Ellsbury that struck him out was well outside.

The reason Boston lost is because they couldn't hit.

Also. Just as an FYI. With the number of Joba fastballs at Youkilis' head....I never want to hear another Yankee fan complain about the Red Sox pitchers throwing at them.

Come on gcoll. Don't tell me you're turning into one of those people who cares whether or not pitchers throw at hitters. I never cared about Boston throwing at the Yankee players, free base runner. But if you insist, im sure the HBP totals still heavily favor the Red Sox.

O and Joba wasn't throwing at Youk. In a shutout? Doubt it.

MelkyNYY
07-25-2008, 10:16 PM
I can't believe the pitch Lowell struck out on was a strike. Looked way inside to me. Seemed like Lowell had a legitimate case there.

Mariano's Cutter has incredible movement. Ump was fooled.

gcoll
07-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Lowell also had that high Joba slider called for a strike, if I remember correctly. So he was no fan of the ump's strike zone prior to that at bat.

Perhaps the ump was still a little peeved over Lowell's reaction to that pitch.

tc2deuce
07-25-2008, 10:18 PM
only in october!! hope we can get there! whats that 8 in a row for the spankees>>>>>>>will we know the bb tonite crew will eat this up!" HEAR COME THE YANKS!.....Fact or Fiction the yanks will win the AL east....a month ago SOX now all on the Yanks bandwagon"

nyyfan4life
07-25-2008, 10:18 PM
I'm guessing a lot of you still don't believe in all the Joba hype. Keep on calling him overrated but out-dueling one of the premier starting pitchers in the league is quite a feat for someone as overrated as him...

Good game. Good think for you guys is that tomorrow its unlikely that you will see Mo if the game is close.

Also the HP ump sucked in general.

MelkyNYY
07-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Lowell also had that high Joba slider called for a strike, if I remember correctly. So he was no fan of the ump's strike zone prior to that at bat.

Perhaps the ump was still a little peeved over Lowell's reaction to that pitch.

The ump was horrible for both sides. No question.

gcoll
07-25-2008, 10:19 PM
Come on gcoll. Don't tell me you're turning into one of those people who cares whether or not pitchers throw at hitters.
Consistently at a guy's head.....is not good.


O and Joba wasn't throwing at Youk. In a shutout? Doubt it.
I've seen Joba throw at Youk what, 4 times? And every time it's an accident.

Come on.

gcoll
07-25-2008, 10:22 PM
The ump was horrible for both sides. No question.

Yeah. But in a 1-0 game, in the bottom of the 9th.....to have a ball about a foot inside, called a strike...because it had some cut on it....is not good.


I'm guessing a lot of you still don't believe in all the Joba hype
No. I believe Joba can be very good.

It's those other two (Hughes and Kennedy) that I am VERY skeptical of.

The only problem I could perceive with Joba, is too many sliders ****ing up his arm.

tc2deuce
07-25-2008, 10:22 PM
:mad: What the **** what was that call on Lowell, that was like 3 ****ing balls outside the ****ing strike zone, 6 ****ing inches. That guy has been ****ing terrible all game long, squeezing Beckett, giving every close call to the ****ing Yankees, getting in the ****ing way of Varitek's throw, does he know he's supposed to call a good ****ing game? He is getting paid for this ****, what the ****. Mother ****ing piece of ****. ****. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Thats what I 'm talkin about!!!!!!!!:clap: I think I just found my favorite poster in psd!

SoxRTattedOnMe
07-25-2008, 10:22 PM
well wat u expect every game counts

nyyfan4life
07-25-2008, 10:25 PM
Yeah. But in a 1-0 game, in the bottom of the 9th.....to have a ball about a foot inside, called a strike...because it had some cut on it....is not good.


No. I believe Joba can be very good.

It's those other two (Hughes and Kennedy) that I am VERY skeptical of.

The only problem I could perceive with Joba, is too many sliders ****ing up his arm.

I dont see that as a problem honestly. He has begun to throw a lot more curves and his mechanics are fairly clean which will help him. Also don't sleep on Hughes. Be skeptical of Kennedy all you want but Hughes will be a good starter once he gets his mechanics cleaned up.

KmB728
07-25-2008, 10:28 PM
I cant believe this

Ellsbury cant lead off anymore.... him varitek and crisp are automatic outs

gcoll
07-25-2008, 10:40 PM
I cant believe this

Ellsbury cant lead off anymore.... him varitek and crisp are automatic outs

When Manny gets back. He isn't leading off anymore.


Also don't sleep on Hughes. Be skeptical of Kennedy all you want but Hughes will be a good starter once he gets his mechanics cleaned up.
I am asleep on Hughes.

Although I'm not sure what you expect Red Sox fans to say about Joba.

Of course we're gonna dislike him. Similar to Yankees' fans reaction to Papelbon, or even Beckett for that matter. What were they chanting at Yankee stadium when Papelbon was pitching in the All Star Game? I think it was "overrated".....so come on.

Tragedy
07-25-2008, 11:15 PM
I cant believe this

Ellsbury cant lead off anymore.... him varitek and crisp are automatic outs
I think the only reason Ellsbury was in the leadoff spot was because Ramirez was out of the game.

Next time Ramirez plays, Ellsbury goes to 9 (Hopefully).

-Lavigne43-
07-25-2008, 11:29 PM
That was one of the worse umpiring jobs I have seen in a long time. The offense looked good in the beginning but then disappeared. I can't wait until it is finally at full strength when ever Manny comes back.

iam brett favre
07-26-2008, 12:18 AM
you can delete this

gcoll
07-26-2008, 12:22 AM
outside of manny and ortiz, they have noone scary on offense
We're ranked

#1 in batting average
#3 in slugging
#1 in on base percentage
# 3 in runs scored

in the major leagues. Obviously it can't all be Manny and Ortiz, especially since Ortiz has been out for an extended period of time.


and without manny protecting him, ortiz is just a regular hitter
That's a popular talking point in New York.

But it's not really true. Ortiz batted 4th in 2004.

Manny missed the last part of the season in 2006, and Ortiz still raked.

Why are Yankee fans so reluctant to give Ortiz credit? It's odd.

nyyfan4life
07-26-2008, 12:22 AM
and NOT to bait or anything.. I think here's the Red Sox biggest problem:
outside of manny and ortiz, they have noone scary on offense
and without manny protecting him, ortiz is just a regular hitter

When you say "not to bait" or w/e it usually tells that you are intending to bait.

iam brett favre
07-26-2008, 12:25 AM
and this

gcoll
07-26-2008, 12:29 AM
Where was credit due to him tonight?
It's one game.

You aren't talking about one game. You said that without Manny, Ortiz is average.


and noone gives Joba credit, except a select few of sox fans
This is silly. WTF do you want us to say about Joba's performance?

He pitched well. He looked good. WTF? Are we supposed to do cartwheels?

I don't get it.

And then this:


ok, my main point is:
ortiz isnt that good without manny protecting him.
So, did Ortiz suck in 2004?

What about the entire end of 2006 when Manny was hurt?

Davey24
07-26-2008, 12:39 AM
I think its pretty crazy to say that Ortiz is only average if he doesn't have Manny protecting him. Doesn't matter who you root for, the man earned his respect with his performance. I'm sure you could pull up his stats without Manny batting behind him and see that he is nearly as effective. I'm not certain about this but it would certainly be my assumption. Ortiz is probably the hardest Red Sox player to discredit based on performance. As far as hitters go, few are better.

As for Joba, I think he took a HUGE step in opening some eyes and gaining some respect for his performance. True, it is just one game, but if we add that game to everything we have seen from Joba thus far, one can assume that he will be a huge part of the Yanks rotation for a long time. He obviously picked the right day to take it to the next level.

gcoll
07-26-2008, 12:47 AM
I'm sure you could pull up his stats without Manny batting behind him and see that he is nearly as effective

The example I used in the Yankee forum was 2006. Remember the 5 game sweep, and then Manny shut it down?

In September of that year (without Manny) Ortiz hit: .288/.485/.658

RedSoxhater
07-26-2008, 01:02 AM
Hopefully Joba wont miss Youk next time :p

Dude, please stop! You are quickly becoming an embarassment.

BaustinSali08
07-26-2008, 03:14 AM
To say that the Red Sox do not have any offense besides Manny and Ortiz is completely and utterly false. Do you remember who took the all-star mvp? DREW!!!! Do you remember who has 17 home runs and 68 RBI's this season? YOUK! Do you who has 35 stolen bases right now? Ellsbury. and who is on the hottest hot streak in the major league? Pedroia. So I do not see your point!

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 12:03 PM
and NOT to bait or anything.. I think here's the Red Sox biggest problem:
outside of manny and ortiz, they have noone scary on offense
and without manny protecting him, ortiz is just a regular hitter
Yeah, because Youk, Pedroia, Lowell, and Drew = Crap offensive players.

Have you bothered to take a look at some of the numbers?

Uncle Funster
07-26-2008, 12:09 PM
ok, my main point is:
ortiz isnt that good without manny protecting him.

You gotta chill in here. This kind of constant baiting of RS fans is what you complain about in the NYY IGT. Please stop it as you make us all look bad.:down:

Brooke
07-26-2008, 12:13 PM
outside of manny and ortiz, they have noone scary on offense

You can't be serious. Pedroia has been the hottest player in the league, JD Drew was the All-Star MVP and had a monster month when Oritz went down. Lowell has been consistent all year so far. Ellsbury leads the league with stolen bases. Youk is very productive. The Red Sox are one of the best of offensive teams in the AL

as for the Lowell thing: he isn't one to be this ticked about something unless he thought he was right

iam brett favre
07-26-2008, 01:31 PM
ok guys, sorry ill stop.. i really wont post here anymore, i know i looked stupid i wont come in here anymore :hide:

Stercrazy
07-26-2008, 01:31 PM
Truth be told, from a die-hard NYY fan, molina "framed" the pitch on Lowell and was ball 3. But I still think Mariano gets the out, he looked very sharp and focused. Also, this is baseball. Sometimes you get the call and sometimes you dont. I'm just happy that NYY's FINALLY has a pitcher who will throw inside against Boston. I'm sick and tired of watching Boston's pitcher's hit Yankees with no response from NY. We'll see if anything happens today.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 01:40 PM
such a BS call last night with Lowell at the dish.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 02:50 PM
Truth be told, from a die-hard NYY fan, molina "framed" the pitch on Lowell and was ball 3. But I still think Mariano gets the out, he looked very sharp and focused. Also, this is baseball. Sometimes you get the call and sometimes you dont. I'm just happy that NYY's FINALLY has a pitcher who will throw inside against Boston. I'm sick and tired of watching Boston's pitcher's hit Yankees with no response from NY. We'll see if anything happens today.

It was not just that call. The entire game the ump was terrible on both sides. I remember a pitch that Joba threw right down the middle got called a ball because Molina had to move his glove.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 02:50 PM
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Kevin Cash, C

yaowowrocket11
07-26-2008, 02:54 PM
1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Kevin Cash, C

I never liked Youk in the 2 hole. I probably would prefer Lowrie there, but oh well.

PapelbonLester
07-26-2008, 03:07 PM
Drew Needs To Be In The 2 Hole!!!!

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 03:50 PM
Man I hate FOX

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 03:56 PM
haha the Yankees 3b coach just called Cano the best 2b in baseball

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:00 PM
nice play by Lowell :)

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:02 PM
Thank you Alex

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:04 PM
ha nice job there A-Rod

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:05 PM
That's why Youk is nice at the top of the lineup

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:06 PM
and Papi comes through like always :)

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:06 PM
Ortiz!!! 1-0

Lets see if Manny swings the bat

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:08 PM
2-0 lets get some more

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:08 PM
2-0!

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 04:13 PM
:clap:

Great to come home and see the Sox actually winning one here.

Still dislike Ramirez, even if he got the RBi and is shockingly playing.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:13 PM
damn

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:16 PM
sick knuckle ball for the K

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:18 PM
lol absolute steal?

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:20 PM
Wakefield is filthy today

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:32 PM
Pettitte throwing a ton of pitches

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 04:44 PM
Awful.

Strike zone is so freaking ugly, yet again. I can't watch games when the zone is so bad.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:44 PM
Wake k'd abreu but no call then a run scores. ****ing umps

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:45 PM
****

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:46 PM
i hate it when umps control games

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:46 PM
That was a strike though!!! Man this is some BS.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:46 PM
Giambi looks like such a D bag with the stache

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:47 PM
Thank god.

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 04:48 PM
Giambi looks like such a D bag with the stache
He looks like a badass, actually.

Yeah, Abreu got a nice call. As already said, it's just great when the umpire controls who's going to win the game.

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:49 PM
Stupid umps

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:50 PM
He looks like a badass, actually.

Yeah, Abreu got a nice call. As already said, it's just great when the umpire controls who's going to win the game.

Looks like a future porn star

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:51 PM
Looks like a steroid taking wife beater.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:52 PM
Man, this is some ******** calls.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:52 PM
Another terrible call

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 04:53 PM
:laugh:

Great call on the strike 3!

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:54 PM
Nice hustle Manny

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:54 PM
I'm done with Manny, sign Tex and trade him.

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 04:55 PM
I'm done with Manny, sign Tex and trade him.
Yes, you might as well jump on the bandwagon. It seems like just about all of Boston is agreeing that Manny is a little ***** that needs to go. :clap:

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 04:55 PM
Got to get a hit here

Brooke
07-26-2008, 04:55 PM
another bad call, what a shocker

Geez Manny way to hustle there

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:56 PM
Wake looked so young lol

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:59 PM
Yes, you might as well jump on the bandwagon. It seems like just about all of Boston is agreeing that Manny is a little ***** that needs to go. :clap:

Ya, I just can't take anymore ********. Like this is a contract year and no other player has acted like this. I imagine the 20 million we save with manny can go to Tex.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 04:59 PM
**** Me!

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:01 PM
my hate for the Yankees is so large.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 05:01 PM
****ing Cano

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:04 PM
too bad damon talks like a caveman.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:05 PM
looked like it got him.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't know how much more I can watch.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 05:06 PM
ughhhh

Brooke
07-26-2008, 05:06 PM
Damn

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 05:07 PM
Terrible inning and now the **** part of our lineup is up

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:08 PM
this is what i hate about wakefield, hes too easy to hit and always gives up leads, no wonder he gets no run support, he just gives it right back...besides that this team can never just get the last out, they get 2 outs then give up hits back to back etc...

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:13 PM
So happy we have Coco on our team, such a valuable bat in our lineup.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:13 PM
the bottom of the order of this team sucks horribly, if theo does make a trade please include one of the batters in the bottom of the order, most preferrably crisp. Hes useless and is an automatic out as is at least 3 batters on this team

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:13 PM
we can't lose this series.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:21 PM
great job walking....

PapelbonLester
07-26-2008, 05:33 PM
we need a homer from papi

Brooke
07-26-2008, 05:37 PM
well that was real good, double play

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:38 PM
this offense blows, we get 2 runs in the first and nothing since then :pity: we better not lose another game by 1 run. If we were up by 1 we'd blow it since our bullpen sucks in the first place

PapelbonLester
07-26-2008, 05:39 PM
relax our bullpen deffently doesnt suck. but our offence is deffently in a slump right now

PapelbonLester
07-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Call To The Bullpen!!!!!!!!!!

PapelbonLester
07-26-2008, 05:43 PM
wow

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:43 PM
relax our bullpen deffently doesnt suck. but our offence is deffently in a slump right now

besides papelbon, we really dont have anyone we can rely on to have an easy 1 2 3 inning, even papelbon isnt exactly automatic nowadays

Brooke
07-26-2008, 05:43 PM
I am a little shocked he is keeping Wakefield in, I would have gone to the bullpen

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:44 PM
why wasnt the infield playing in with the bases loaded and no outs? they cuold hve gotten the guy out at home on the ground ball :confused:

Towelie
07-26-2008, 05:45 PM
well I'm done for a bit.

Silver88
07-26-2008, 05:47 PM
Masterson is in

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:52 PM
i doubt we ll come back now, not with our offense in its state right now, even if we start a rally the bottom of the order is gonna come up and **** it all up. Lowrie, crisp then cash they arent gonna cut it

Brooke
07-26-2008, 05:54 PM
Geez can anyone get them out?

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 05:58 PM
wtf im sick of watching this team suck constantly! first we get swept by the angels, then we sweep a ****** team seattle, and now we cant beat the ****ng yankees. if you havent noticed we suck against good teams. Open ur damn eyes theo make some trades even if you need to give up a couple of "prospects", i cant stand this inconsistency in our offense

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:06 PM
well thats great drew hits a hr and its only a solo haha too bad he didnt do it in the first inning when there was 2 runners on

KmB728
07-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Hey guys i was out all day and i came back now.... is Manny still playing? i know he started the game

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:26 PM
Hey guys i was out all day and i came back now.... is Manny still playing? i know he started the game

yea he is hasnt done much though

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:30 PM
great at bat by ortiz :rolleyes: 4 pitches and hes done wtf! well once again no clutchness in this team whatsoever, o well another loss yet again, yea yea its not over but i doubt we will come back with this offense

Davey24
07-26-2008, 06:32 PM
Say hello to Damaso...

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:32 PM
10 bucks manny either strikes out or grounds out :D

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:33 PM
close enough, theres the 3-4 punch for ya, strike out and pop out

Davey24
07-26-2008, 06:48 PM
Pretty sick of the fans to be cheering so loud for a hit batter. Guess thats all they have to cheer for so far this weekend.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:49 PM
well im sick of watching hansen pitch...cant wait for him to be traded or something

MelkyNYY
07-26-2008, 06:51 PM
To be fair, Hansen can't find the zone. Might have been unintentional.

Davey24
07-26-2008, 06:51 PM
well im sick of watching hansen pitch...cant wait for him to be traded or something

He could certainly be worth something on the trade market with the velocity of his pitches. If he could locate them, he would be pretty effective.

Davey24
07-26-2008, 06:52 PM
To be fair, Hansen can't find the zone. Might have been unintentional.

Oh yeah, I don't think he was trying to send a message or anything. It seemed like a pretty accidental pitch.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 06:55 PM
To be fair, Hansen can't find the zone. Might have been unintentional.


He could certainly be worth something on the trade market with the velocity of his pitches. If he could locate them, he would be pretty effective.

well i hope he is worth something because he blows. he could throw 110 mph but that means squat if he cant locate or even get 3 outs. im tired of watching this bullpen give up runs at a constant rate, when was the last time they made it through a game without giving up anything

MelkyNYY
07-26-2008, 06:56 PM
Oh yeah, I don't think he was trying to send a message or anything. It seemed like a pretty accidental pitch.

Just trying to be fair. That's always a chance.

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 07:01 PM
great at bat by ortiz :rolleyes: 4 pitches and hes done wtf! well once again no clutchness in this team whatsoever, o well another loss yet again, yea yea its not over but i doubt we will come back with this offense
Yeah, damn Ortiz for not already having 6 HR's in two games. :rolleyes:

Is there ever a time when the Red Sox play that you don't complain? To rephrase, is there ever a time that you can sit and enjoy a game?

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 07:21 PM
Yeah, damn Ortiz for not already having 6 HR's in two games. :rolleyes:

Is there ever a time when the Red Sox play that you don't complain? To rephrase, is there ever a time that you can sit and enjoy a game?

no theres not...and i dont expect him to hit HR at every at bat but at least put the freaking ball in play especially in those situations..how many times have the red sox struck out today with RISP? or possible rallies? the thing that gets me is theyll hit doubles, triples or HRs but never when it really counts or when runners are on, its usually a solo HR or a bases empty double/triple, hence no clutch hitting

Cronin
07-26-2008, 08:56 PM
We need to ****ing do something. This is getting out of hand :mad:

Towelie
07-26-2008, 09:31 PM
look at the panic in this place. We have half a season to go guys. This series is important, but not defining.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 09:49 PM
look at the panic in this place. We have half a season to go guys. This series is important, but not defining.

ok thats what we said after the first month, after the second month, and everyday its gonna be "we still have 50 or so games left guys" itll be alright :rolleyes: the problems the red sox have isnt gonna fix itself overnight, our offense goes into these slumps too often, our bullpen can't be relied upon, we have 3 reliable starters the other 2are hit or miss, our manager can't make risky moves bc hes too loyal to his players at times, etc...so basically most of you are saying the season is only important in the last month? am i right? what if we re down 5 or more games in that last month? these games aren't "defining" besides none of us are "panicking", we are just letting out our frustration with certain aspects of this team. Isn't that what a forum is about? Everytime we say something bad about the team, we have to hear from certain posters saying "relax", "calm down its still early in the season", "chill", etc...u can't always be all lovey dovey with ur favorite team.

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 10:01 PM
ok thats what we said after the first month, after the second month, and everyday its gonna be "we still have 50 or so games left guys" itll be alright :rolleyes: the problems the red sox have isnt gonna fix itself overnight, our offense goes into these slumps too often, our bullpen can't be relied upon, we have 3 reliable starters the other 2are hit or miss, our manager can't make risky moves bc hes too loyal to his players at times, etc...so basically most of you are saying the season is only important in the last month? am i right? what if we re down 5 or more games in that last month? these games aren't "defining" besides none of us are "panicking", we are just letting out our frustration with certain aspects of this team. Isn't that what a forum is about? Everytime we say something bad about the team, we have to hear from certain posters saying "relax", "calm down its still early in the season", "chill", etc...u can't always be all lovey dovey with ur favorite team.
You're acting like we're in the same place the Yankees were in a month ago or so. We're 2 games out of 1st place, and you're acting like it's the end of the world. This team has been streaky all year long, there is no doubt about it. Finally we have a healthy David Ortiz to rely on a bit, and you're NOW basically throwing in the towel and pushing the panic button? Congrats to you, but the rest of us won't. There are plenty of games left to be played, and with a finally healthy David Ortiz, I don't see why that two game deficit can't be closed.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 10:15 PM
You're acting like we're in the same place the Yankees were in a month ago or so. We're 2 games out of 1st place, and you're acting like it's the end of the world. This team has been streaky all year long, there is no doubt about it. Finally we have a healthy David Ortiz to rely on a bit, and you're NOW basically throwing in the towel and pushing the panic button? Congrats to you, but the rest of us won't. There are plenty of games left to be played, and with a finally healthy David Ortiz, I don't see why that two game deficit can't be closed.

I never said I quit on the team, I'm basically pointing out that we could be in the place the yankees were a month or so ago while the yankees move their way up if we don't change some parts of this team, most obviously the bullpen. If you haven't noticed yet, the yankees have just won 8 in a row and we just lost 5 of the last 8 games we played and 10 of the last 12 on the road, see a trend? I do the yankees are doing what they do every year make the LATE season run, while we start quick then play up and down in the 2nd half. Obviously we re still in good shape, we still hold the wild card and are only 2 games out of first, but if we keep playing like we have, thats not gonna be the same.

Also, exactly my point, the few of us who have the guts to criticize the team are accused of "throwing in the towel" or "panicking". Its ridiculous, we can't criticize them without having to hear others accuse us of quitting on the team. Well i guess I'll say what everyone wants to hear "great job guys, they did their best but just couldn't pull it out, well we still have another 2 months left plenty of time to catch up the the Tampa Bay Rays" :rolleyes:

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 10:30 PM
Obviously we re still in good shape, we still hold the wild card and are only 2 games out of first, but if we keep playing like we have, thats not gonna be the same.
Then stop complaining over every little thing that happens with the Red Sox. Even with the poor recent play,we're STILL right in the middle of the AL East race and STILL leading the WC race. It's not realistic to think we'll play as poorly for the rest of the year like we have the last week or two, because we're a better team than that. We've had poor stretches already this season, and this is yet another one of them. And then we'll get hot, and everyone will go on forgetting how bad we were for this stretch.

Our team is already improved with David Ortiz back, so it's unrealistic for you or anyone else to believe that, going forward, we won't be a BETTER team than we were without him.


Also, exactly my point, the few of us who have the guts to criticize the team are accused of "throwing in the towel" or "panicking". Its ridiculous, we can't criticize them without having to hear others accuse us of quitting on the team. Well i guess I'll say what everyone wants to hear "great job guys, they did their best but just couldn't pull it out, well we still have another 2 months left plenty of time to catch up the the Tampa Bay Rays"
It's not a matter of "criticizing" the team - You downright throw a fit when they don't win. If you're not aware, 162-0 is nearly impossible for even the best of teams. I have done my fair share of complaining about the team, but going about it in the right way is important. Complaining and acting like you're ready to leave the team for dead = Bad. Criticize on how they need to improve = Smart.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 10:38 PM
Are we in lat place right now? Cause some people are acting like were the Blue-Jays right now. Were not under-producing were running into good teams right now. Angels, Yankees not a easy order to fill.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Then stop complaining over every little thing that happens with the Red Sox. Even with the poor recent play,we're STILL right in the middle of the AL East race and STILL leading the WC race. It's not realistic to think we'll play as poorly for the rest of the year like we have the last week or two, because we're a better team than that. We've had poor stretches already this season, and this is yet another one of them. And then we'll get hot, and everyone will go on forgetting how bad we were for this stretch.

Our team is already improved with David Ortiz back, so it's unrealistic for you or anyone else to believe that, going forward, we won't be a BETTER team than we were without him.


It's not a matter of "criticizing" the team - You downright throw a fit when they don't win. If you're not aware, 162-0 is nearly impossible for even the best of teams. I have done my fair share of complaining about the team, but going about it in the right way is important. Complaining and acting like you're ready to leave the team for dead = Bad. Criticize on how they need to improve = Smart.

The way they lose is ridiculous sometimes, i am aware 162-0 is nearly impossible, but when they make stupid errors or if the bullpen can't hold the lead which has happened quite often, i have every right to criticize them. lets see how they need to improve??? well for one rebuild our bullpen, replace lugo, replace varitek, you know all the things that has been said about a million times so far, yet the red sox haven't done anything besides putting Lowrie in and thats because lugo is hurt.

-Lavigne43-
07-26-2008, 10:46 PM
Obviously losing these first two games is disappointing but we will be fine. Today was the first time in over a month our lineup has been together, minus Ellsbury. We are bound to get hot soon. We should win tomorrow with Ponson pitching against us. Losing 2/3 is not really that big of a deal.

bosox1899
07-26-2008, 10:46 PM
Are we in lat place right now? Cause some people are acting like were the Blue-Jays right now. Were not under-producing were running into good teams right now. Angels, Yankees not a easy order to fill.

well to be honest the blue jays dont have as high of a payroll as we do. Yes we are playing good teams, but to get swept by the angels and lose the series to the yankees isnt how they should have started the second half, they need to win at least 2 or 3 of the 6 games agains angels and yankees. Who do you think we re going to play in the postseason?

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 11:40 PM
lets see how they need to improve??? well for one rebuild our bullpen,
Yeah, such an easy task. Could you have seen that our Bullpen would be this bad coming into the season?


replace lugo,
Currently, he's replaced. Not many better options on the market, either.


replace varitek,
With whom? Salty for the 1,000th time?


you know all the things that has been said about a million times so far, yet the red sox haven't done anything besides putting Lowrie in and thats because lugo is hurt.
And the Red Sox haven't done much because there isn't much to do. Teams overvalue players before the Deadline, so if the Red Sox inquire about a Brian Fuentes, they're telling us that Clay Buchholz is the player they want in return. Are you about to take a quick fix to the Bullpen by giving up quality prospects like Clay?

iam brett favre
07-27-2008, 12:04 AM
I missed it, who got HBP?

bosox1899
07-27-2008, 12:23 AM
Yeah, such an easy task. Could you have seen that our Bullpen would be this bad coming into the season?

i dont have to predict it would, but now that we see how much of a weakness is, we should go get someone. Yes i know its not as easy as it sounds but if the yanks just got Xavier Nady, an everyday player batting .330 and Marte who made Ortiz look like a single A player today, for 4 prospects, 1 being above average, then the red sox should be able to do something similar with Fuentes or someone out there.


Currently, he's replaced. Not many better options on the market, either.

Unless the rumors about orlando cabrera aren't true then yes lowrie seems to be the best option, even though cabrera may not be that much better anyways


With whom? Salty for the 1,000th time?

there has to be a younger catcher who can hit higher than .220 out there, in a perfect world Brian McCann would be available, but prob not.

sboyajian
07-27-2008, 12:24 AM
no theres not...and i dont expect him to hit HR at every at bat but at least put the freaking ball in play especially in those situations..how many times have the red sox struck out today with RISP? or possible rallies? the thing that gets me is theyll hit doubles, triples or HRs but never when it really counts or when runners are on, its usually a solo HR or a bases empty double/triple, hence no clutch hitting

he's gone 3 for 8 after being out for nearly 2 months..

I'm ok with that.

bosox1899
07-27-2008, 01:00 AM
he's gone 3 for 8 after being out for nearly 2 months..

I'm ok with that.

i am too, im not singling out Ortiz, hes actually been the only one to do anything, but in that situation, i wish he could have just at least advanced the runners or something, but Marte made him look foolish in that at bat

Tragedy
07-27-2008, 02:38 AM
dont have to predict it would, but now that we see how much of a weakness is, we should go get someone. Yes i know its not as easy as it sounds but if the yanks just got Xavier Nady, an everyday player batting .330 and Marte who made Ortiz look like a single A player today, for 4 prospects, 1 being above average, then the red sox should be able to do something similar with Fuentes or someone out there.
So then the Rockies offer of Fuentes for Buchholz, to you, sounds fair? Sell the future for a quick fix?


there has to be a younger catcher who can hit higher than .220 out there, in a perfect world Brian McCann would be available, but prob not.
And all you're doing is proving how difficult Theo's job is right now. McCann is clearly not available. So take your pick: Do you want Cash starting, or do you want Kenji Johjima? What's the preferred choice for you?


I missed it, who got HBP?
I think A-Rod, right? :shrug:

bosox1899
07-27-2008, 08:56 AM
So then the Rockies offer of Fuentes for Buchholz, to you, sounds fair? Sell the future for a quick fix?

No thats why I predicted they would lower their asking price, maybe bowden instead of Buchholz



And all you're doing is proving how difficult Theo's job is right now. McCann is clearly not available. So take your pick: Do you want Cash starting, or do you want Kenji Johjima? What's the preferred choice for you?

well Id take Johjima over varitek now only because hes younger and is capable of having strong offensive numbers


I think A-Rod, right? :shrug:

Yup kind of ironic isnt it, happens to be there best player :D

Tragedy
07-27-2008, 12:09 PM
No thats why I predicted they would lower their asking price, maybe bowden instead of Buchholz
So you're willing to give up as good a pitching prospect as Bowden to get a 2 (Maybe 3, depending on Playoffs) month fix?

bosox1899
07-27-2008, 12:30 PM
So you're willing to give up as good a pitching prospect as Bowden to get a 2 (Maybe 3, depending on Playoffs) month fix?

well bowden is being blocked by other players and I bet we can resign Fuentes after this season. Also, I doubt it'll be a one for one deal theres usually others involved to make it even, Theo isn't going to do something stupid like that unless it makes sense for them.

Brooke
07-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Hopefully we win tonight. We have a good chance with Lester on the mound

Lester is the pitcher I trust the most right now, the one who has been the most consistent. He has been fabulous this year so far :)

yankeesfan65
07-27-2008, 04:06 PM
hey guys, just curious what the weather in boston was like? and whats it supposed to be tonight? i really wanna watch this game

Cronin
07-27-2008, 04:17 PM
Let's go Redsox! Please win this game!!!!

Snipeshow
07-27-2008, 04:21 PM
Jon Lester will pull this one out for us. He's been ridiculous this year.

BostonFan 53
07-27-2008, 06:13 PM
If we don't win, I think theo makes a minor shake up deal. Nothing big, just something to light a fire,

xSolidx
07-27-2008, 06:29 PM
Hows the weather up there?

I hear there is rain in the forecast, but i hope the game doesnt get PPD.

BostonFan 53
07-27-2008, 06:42 PM
Pretty bad weather. Been thundering for some time now. Just stopped raining where i am. But the skies are still pretty dark.

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 06:42 PM
It's raining here in CT. Rained all day long.

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 08:53 PM
Yankees lineup:

1. Damon
2. Jeter
3. Abreu
4. A-Rod
5. Nady
6. Cano
7. Sexson (:laugh2:)
8. Cabrera
9. Molina

Tragedy
07-27-2008, 08:54 PM
About the only chance the Sox have of not losing to the Yankees is for it to just be rained out~! :)

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 08:54 PM
Red Sox lineup:

1. Pedroia
2. Youkilis
3. Ortiz
4. Manny (:cry:)
5. Lowell
6. Drew
7. Varitek
8. Cora
9. Ellsbury

Tragedy
07-27-2008, 08:57 PM
Red Sox lineup:

1. Pedroia
2. Youkilis
3. Ortiz
4. Manny (:cry:)
5. Lowell
6. Drew
7. Varitek
8. Cora
9. Ellsbury
Cora?

Wonderful. It's so smart to give him any playing time while Lugo is out.

Don't the Red Sox realize that the only way they can gauge whether or not Lowrie is MLB material is to play him regularly?

The Intimidator
07-27-2008, 09:01 PM
finally...the game is underway. not sure why lowrie isn't in there tonight...he's been hitting every game he's played in...oh well.

JWalk126
07-27-2008, 09:01 PM
its game time :clap:

JWalk126
07-27-2008, 09:02 PM
:k:
1 out

Run Gardner Run
07-27-2008, 09:03 PM
You guys gotta love what you have seen Lester this season and not just the No No. The kid isnt touted to be this good but he has and im sure he will be awesome

BTW sick curveball from him to K damon

Brooke
07-27-2008, 09:04 PM
that was a sick curveball to Damon :)

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 09:04 PM
Good start for Lester to punch out Damon.

Finally, the game starts! :cheer:

The Intimidator
07-27-2008, 09:05 PM
Jacoby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brooke
07-27-2008, 09:06 PM
nice play by Ellsbury

Tragedy
07-27-2008, 09:06 PM
Yankees lineup:

1. Damon
2. Jeter
3. Abreu
4. A-Rod
5. Nady
6. Cano
7. Sexson (:laugh2:)
8. Cabrera
9. Molina
You do realize that Sexson is a monster against lefties, right?

The Intimidator
07-27-2008, 09:08 PM
I swear to god, Abreu is more comfortable when he's down two strikes than he is with a 3-1 count. Unbelieveable.

JWalk126
07-27-2008, 09:09 PM
nice catch Manny

The Intimidator
07-27-2008, 09:11 PM
Good start for Lester

Brooke
07-27-2008, 09:11 PM
nice start Pedroia :)

The Intimidator
07-27-2008, 09:12 PM
Nice rip up the middle for Dusty

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-27-2008, 09:12 PM
Atta way Pedey.

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 09:13 PM
You do realize that Sexson is a monster against lefties, right?

Career .264 against lefties.......He definitely hits lefties better, but nothing to be scared of.

Brooke
07-27-2008, 09:15 PM
Papi!!

BeAn 5 ToWnE
07-27-2008, 09:16 PM
Nice wheels Youkie. :D

yaowowrocket11
07-27-2008, 09:16 PM
We need to get to Ponson early!!!

Run Gardner Run
07-27-2008, 09:17 PM
Still wanna trade him? Fenway doesnt sound like they do