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JacobyIsMyHomie
07-24-2008, 01:46 AM
Given it was against the Seattle Mariners but nonetheless this guy could be our answer in the bullpen for the home stretch.

ZHawk1123
07-24-2008, 08:32 AM
He was impressive... I like im outta the pen... Can't wait to see more!

lil'papi
07-24-2008, 08:47 AM
He started well lets see more! He can now throw harder as evidenced by his 95mph heaters. This kid is built like Bob Stanley and throws like Eck.

Looking forward to more awkward AB's.

RedSoxtober
07-24-2008, 08:48 AM
Honestly, I think he could be the key to the season. 2.2IP, 3K, 3 ground ball outs. That's exactly what we needed to see. It's particularly helpful to know that he could come into another pitchers mess and not buckle.

Given the shaky bridge that Oki/MDC/Hansen/Timlin represent getting to Paps he's welcome!

Tragedy
07-24-2008, 09:50 AM
He was outstanding on the mound last night. The movement on his slider was downright filthy, and his FB was a lot more crisp than I remember as a starter.

As I've said in other threads, this is a bigger "trade" to upgrade the bullpen than any ACTUAL trade we could have made.

lil'papi
07-24-2008, 10:27 AM
^^^ Agreed..... cheap move too.

Ortiz is icing on the cake.... triple layer cake to boot. :D

BTownTeamsRKing
07-24-2008, 12:53 PM
please NO TRADES.

this guy is the answer. also its time to put Colon there too.

JacobyIsMyHomie
07-24-2008, 09:07 PM
mods do you think Hansen will get moved back down for some time in AAA once Colon comes back?

The Intimidator
07-24-2008, 10:19 PM
mods do you think Hansen will get moved back down for some time in AAA once Colon comes back?

I'm not a mod but I'll take a crack at this one...I think Hansen stays. His "stuff" is too good and he has shown flashes of brilliance at times this season. I think that they will give him some more chances to earn a late inning spot in this pen.

As for Masterson, he certainly bolsters an inconsistent pen. A ground ball specialist is what they need, and he is getting those ground balls. If he can learn to get lefties out on a more consistent basis, he could legitimately become a lights out set up man.

kazzy4080
07-24-2008, 10:21 PM
i like him in the pen this year, even though its only been one appearance, i think it will help our pen tremendously, but what bout next year, u think he'll stay in the pen or go to the rotation?

The Intimidator
07-24-2008, 10:29 PM
i like him in the pen this year, even though its only been one appearance, i think it will help our pen tremendously, but what bout next year, u think he'll stay in the pen or go to the rotation?

It depends...Papelbon was brought up as a starter in the middle of the 2005 season, but he pitched so well out of the pen that he was kept there...and the rest is history. It's too early to tell after only one outing of the pen, but one thing that is certain is that Masterson has some serious potential as both a starter and as a reliever.

ThreeIfBaerga
07-24-2008, 11:03 PM
I get the feeling Masterson will be first in line for a spot if any one of Wake, Schill or Colon return. Otherwise he'll be in the rotation.

BeantownBill
07-24-2008, 11:06 PM
"He started well lets see more! He can now throw harder as evidenced by his 95mph heaters. This kid is built like Bob Stanley and throws like Eck."

I don't know which Bob Stanley you're referring to. The relief pitcher for the Sox was built like a bartlett pear; Masterson not so much.

I only replied to this because of my intense dislike for Stanley and whenever I see his name in print I want to strangle someone. Maybe I need help ..

Tragedy
07-24-2008, 11:17 PM
mods do you think Hansen will get moved back down for some time in AAA once Colon comes back?
It's hard to read what the Sox are thinking. They seem to still be very high on Hansen, despite his inconsistencies. But, I'm also not sure what the Red Sox would want to do once Colon is able to return from the DL - I can't imagine they'd want Buchholz in the Bullpen, though he, Masterson, and Papelbon could potentially make for a fun ending to each game.

Like I said, It's so difficult reading the Red Sox plans.

Bosoxgoober15
07-24-2008, 11:27 PM
i just want to see how masterson reacts to 1-2 days rest. he wasnt able to give pitching on 2 consecutive days a try in pawtuckett

gcoll
07-25-2008, 02:30 AM
Masterson looked dominant. I don't care that is was against Seattle, he pounded the strike zone and had great stuff. That's what you want at the end of the game.

Masterson-Papelbon at the end of games, could lower my blood pressure.

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm not a mod but I'll take a crack at this one...I think Hansen stays. His "stuff" is too good and he has shown flashes of brilliance at times this season. I think that they will give him some more chances to earn a late inning spot in this pen.

As for Masterson, he certainly bolsters an inconsistent pen. A ground ball specialist is what they need, and he is getting those ground balls. If he can learn to get lefties out on a more consistent basis, he could legitimately become a lights out set up man.

The "flashes" argument is a familiar refrain with Hansen (and MDC). Hansen has repeatedly show "flashes" and made huge messes. He's like looking at a flashbulb go off in the Maine woods at midnight -- big show but all you're left with is temporary blindness in the dark.

Hansen's whip (1.62) and OBA (.346) are similar to where he was the last time he road the bus back to Pawtucket. Unfortunately for us and for him, he's walking batters at twice the rate he did in the past (bb/9=6.04). I hate knowing that he rarely has a clean inning. There really isn't much that he's done that would merit staying.


It depends...Papelbon was brought up as a starter in the middle of the 2005 season, but he pitched so well out of the pen that he was kept there...and the rest is history. It's too early to tell after only one outing of the pen, but one thing that is certain is that Masterson has some serious potential as both a starter and as a reliever.

The big difference is that Papelbon was a closer when he came into the Sox system. Masterson was projected as a BP guy by many, mostly for the tremendous downward action of all his pitches. He gets tons of GB outs and that's needed back there. However, Carmona showed that you can make a living that way as a starter, too.

Where Masterson goes in 2009 will depend on the Sox's needs. If Wake retires that means the #4 and #5 slots could be in flux. We all have been assuming that Buchholz would take one slot. Masterson would get a shot at the other. But so could Pauley or Zink as a placeholder for Bowden (I doubt he's ready out of the gate). Kris Johnson could also make a sudden jump. It's way too early to tell.

lil'papi
07-25-2008, 09:06 AM
Maybe Hansen is now getting too much sleep? So now it's next year he will good once gets used to sleeping. I see the same thing since he came up, he pitches DUMB. He never changes he doesn't spot well inside then outside or up and down he never pitches back and forth either? He just tries to blow you away or throw the slider.

Gas Can nic is well deserved.

Your 7th and 8th inning guys must have pin point control , simply put, he doesn't.

Interesting article on who might be up to spell relief.>


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_07_25_Farm_aid_may_bring_major_relief_effort/srvc=sox&position=4

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 09:15 AM
^^^ Good stuff. I agree about Jones. I'd thought about him earlier but didn't check his recent stats to see how well he's pitching now.

I'm not sure I'd trust Hansack though he did pitch well in MLB after he went of a similar hot streak a couple of years ago. Maybe he could ride the wave again.

I'm a little reluctant, still, to see Bard get a quick promotion. I think he'd be better as a 'future' than a 'present' fix. Buddy Vaughn had just fallen off my radar; good to know someone's got great numbers against LHB. That, and age, may argue in his favor.

Vthockeydad
07-25-2008, 01:56 PM
I like Masterson and think he has a lot of value to the Sox, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is one great relief appearance. I think he has a great future and am thrilled the Sox have him. Let's hope he continues pitching well !

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 02:16 PM
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_07_25_Farm_aid_may_bring_major_relief_effort/srvc=sox&position=4

The article appears to be purely speculative.. however I'm not against it. Our current pen is struggling and it may be beneficial to see if these young guys can strengthen it. They can't be worse and odds are, they will be better.

RedSoxtober
07-25-2008, 04:05 PM
The article appears to be purely speculative.. however I'm not against it. Our current pen is struggling and it may be beneficial to see if these young guys can strengthen it. They can't be worse and odds are, they will be better.

As I said above (or elsewhere) I really think that Masterson is going to be a key to the season and a tremendous difference in the pen. Having at least one guy back there who's getting needed K's and GB outs relieves a lot of pressure from MDC/Hansen/etc who've come up empty when asked to do it. I can see a scenario where this one change (and maybe sending Hansen down when Aardsma returns) gets the BP on a roll like the one that had around MAy.

sboyajian
07-25-2008, 05:53 PM
As I said above (or elsewhere) I really think that Masterson is going to be a key to the season and a tremendous difference in the pen. Having at least one guy back there who's getting needed K's and GB outs relieves a lot of pressure from MDC/Hansen/etc who've come up empty when asked to do it. I can see a scenario where this one change (and maybe sending Hansen down when Aardsma returns) gets the BP on a roll like the one that had around MAy.

Let's hope so. There was a time when seeing MDC or Oki walk across the outfield meant the game was over.. now I get the uneasy lump in my throat feeling.

lil'papi
07-26-2008, 08:40 AM
Oki was good last night and has been since reinventing the curve. He was never a GREAT reliever in Japan people expect too much. Last year for me was a flukey year. This year he is what he really is.
At times he is really tough.

Bard I'd love to see , but not yet , maybe later on if another guy falters. His stuff translates anywhere hard in and away mix in the curve. I still see inconsistent curves although with a nasty break. Aardsma is the wild card.

We need everyone playing...period. Masterson very well might be the answer , time will tell.

lil'papi
07-26-2008, 08:41 AM
The article appears to be purely speculative.. however I'm not against it. Our current pen is struggling and it may be beneficial to see if these young guys can strengthen it. They can't be worse and odds are, they will be better.

Well unless Theo writes it aren't we just speculating? ;)

Speculators ran up oil prices maybe we can run up a hot reliever? :p

JacobyIsMyHomie
07-26-2008, 08:03 PM
Well that wasn't as strong of an appearance... I am surprised he couldn't get at least 1 out.

Towelie
07-26-2008, 09:44 PM
It drives me nuts to have him come in relief.....he's a great starter, he needs to be starting.

Tragedy
07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
It drives me nuts to have him come in relief.....he's a great starter, he needs to be starting.
With how outstanding Clay was in AAA, I think the Sox thought it made sense to slide him back into his role and see how well he could do (Which isn't that good, so far).

Also, I think the Red Sox prefer Masterson out of the 'pen more than Buchholz, another factor in their decision.

lil'papi
07-27-2008, 09:28 AM
Same deal we don't judge the first one, then don't judge the second outing.
Stupid when people think they can project out a guys career path by a outing or two. What he throws should work hard sliders and sinkers. Ask Eck, Ask Stanley, Radatz.....
I do believe he'd make a nice starter too, but they are limiting his innings and we NEED help in the pen.

thefutureheisma
07-28-2008, 01:20 PM
you see him againist the yankees lets not going too far