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uptownfan
07-23-2008, 04:28 PM
Hester did not report to camp on Tuesday night before midnight as players were required to do and missed team meetings this morning, but he officially became a contract holdout with the start of practice at 3 p.m.

His decision not to report to camp had to be a surprise to a franchise that reached 12th-hour contract solutions for middle linebacker Brian Urlacher and rookie left tackle Chris Williams in an effort to ensure the entire roster would report on time. Hester has two years remaining on the four-year, $2.86 million deal he signed as a second-round pick in 2006. The team has been negotiating an extension with Hesterıs agent, Eugene Parker, before the dramatic turn of events today. Parker did not return a phone message seeking comment.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1070830,hester072308.article

ChiCubs54
07-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Devin Hester a no-show at Bears training camp

The tranquil start to Bears training camp disappeared faster than a Devin Hester touchdown return today when the Bears special teams ace refused to show up for the opening practice in a contract holdout.

Hester did not report to camp on Tuesday night before midnight as players were required to do and missed team meetings this morning, but he officially became a contract holdout with the start of practice at 3 p.m.

His decision not to report to camp had to be a surprise to a franchise that reached 12th-hour contract solutions for middle linebacker Brian Urlacher and rookie left tackle Chris Williams in an effort to ensure the entire roster would report on time. Hester has two years remaining on the four-year, $2.86 million deal he signed as a second-round pick in 2006. The team has been negotiating an extension with Hesterıs agent, Eugene Parker, before the dramatic turn of events today. Parker did not return a phone message seeking comment.

Holding him out of camp is an interesting strategy since the Bears set precedent by re-doing Urlacherıs contract because the player successfully argued he outplayed the value of the deal despite having four years remaining on it. Urlacher was considered a unique situation in the eyes of the franchise because of his status as a potential Hall of Fame talent.

Hester can make the same argument, and in fact, his value to the Bears might be even greater considering his contribution to a team with a moribund offense. In just two seasons, Hester has 11 return touchdowns, already the fourth most in league history. He has scored 13 return touchdowns, counting the 108-yard scoring return of a missed field goal and the fastest touchdown ever in a Super Bowl when he scored on the opening kickoff against Indianapolis in Super Bowl XLI.

Hester also had two touchdowns on offense last season when he made 20 catches for 299 yards with a 15.0 average per catch. His 14 regular-season touchdowns in the last two years is tops on the team.

And his role is scheduled to increase this season with offensive coordinator Ron Turner saying Tuesday that he was slated to be in the starting lineup at todayıs practice.

Until today the issue with Hester was whether he would be used too much this season. Now itıs whether heıll be paid.


Source: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1070830,hester072308.article

augipitcher3
07-23-2008, 04:46 PM
The more time away the less he learns of the playbook on offense. Sounds like a win for the rest of the division. He had a hard enough time with it last year mid season, you would think he would need all the reps he can get.

Soop
07-23-2008, 05:07 PM
Not good. I thought he said it wasn't going to be a problem, that'll work out. C'mon Hester, you need to be in camp. Bad timing, you should've done it earlier around the OTA's or something.

Management: Hurry up and fix this.

4cubs
07-23-2008, 05:10 PM
Pandora's box was opened when the team went against their policy and renegotiated with Urlacher.

Expect the line to get longer.

Soop
07-23-2008, 05:14 PM
Pandora's box was opened when the team went against their policy and renegotiated with Urlacher.

Expect the line to get longer.

He's the last one in line. No one else is left. I think they'll nip it in the butt pretty soon. I just think he should've not said he was fine with the contract and it would take care of itself. Why didn't he just say he was going to hold out? It's pretty much Devin's fault here.

4cubs
07-23-2008, 05:18 PM
He's the last one in line. No one else is left. I think they'll nip it in the butt pretty soon. I just think he should've not said he was fine with the contract and it would take care of itself. Why didn't he just say he was going to hold out? It's pretty much Devin's fault here.

Unless of course Briggs decides that he signed for too little.

or

Rex does start having a good year and decides he needs more money and years

or ...


But, I have no problem getting Hester locked up long term before his value goes up even higher.

Soop
07-23-2008, 05:26 PM
Unless of course Briggs decides that he signed for too little.

or

Rex does start having a good year and decides he needs more money and years

or ...


But, I have no problem getting Hester locked up long term before his value goes up even higher.

I'll go ahead and guarantee you that you won't hear a squeak out of Rex. As for Briggs, he better not do that after he signed the deal in the offseason. I admit he could've got alot more.

4cubs
07-23-2008, 05:42 PM
I'll go ahead and guarantee you that you won't hear a squeak out of Rex. As for Briggs, he better not do that after he signed the deal in the offseason. I admit he could've got alot more.

I would love for Rex to demand more money. It would mean he was doing a great job at QB. But unfortunately I think your guarantee is correct on Rex.

PS - I thought I saw some thread earlier mentioning that Briggs felt he made a mistake signing for too little.

augipitcher3
07-23-2008, 05:45 PM
Unless of course Briggs decides that he signed for too little.

or

Rex does start having a good year and decides he needs more money and years

or ...


But, I have no problem getting Hester locked up long term before his value goes up even higher.

The only way Hester's value goes up is if he shows he can be at least a 3rd receiver in the NFL. He is an amazing return man, but their shelf life usually isn't that long. The Bears would be better off making him prove he can be a receiver before giving in and paying him huge money. The only way he should get a pay increase now is if he isn't one of the top 3 paid return specialists in the league. I would guess his salary is close to that but not sure.

IvyWentCrazy
07-23-2008, 06:10 PM
As for Briggs, he better not do that after he signed the deal in the offseason. I admit he could've got alot more.

I give Briggs two years until the contract is a problem... We've already heard grumbles out of the Briggs camp about the contract. Believe me.

As for Rex, he can't hold out next year because he isn't signed for next year.

Soop
07-23-2008, 06:16 PM
I give Briggs two years until the contract is a problem... We've already heard grumbles out of the Briggs camp about the contract. Believe me.

As for Rex, he can't hold out next year because he isn't signed for next year.

I know I've heard about the Briggs thing and I also think it's a matter of time, I'm guessing after this season he'll want to fix it.

As for Rex......Duh! :rolleyes:

Tankjeep
07-23-2008, 06:28 PM
what's new in the sports world? another cocky athlete changing his mind? gee, that's a surprise now isn't it?

Bulldog76
07-23-2008, 06:32 PM
He's the last one in line. No one else is left. I think they'll nip it in the butt pretty soon. I just think he should've not said he was fine with the contract and it would take care of itself. Why didn't he just say he was going to hold out? It's pretty much Devin's fault here.

I'm not sure he had the time or ability to make a hard line stand until now...

Until the Urlacher deal, the bears had done a nice job of not negotiating with holdouts or those unhappy with their deals and held their ground. With Urlacher getting new money, it sent a message to Hester and Rosenhaus that if you outperform your contract, your situation will be heard...

The Bears once again were not proactive in the time leading up til now, so Devin is in a situation where he will
a) get more money
b) hold out ten weeks, and be one year closer to free agency, while hurting the team, the fan base and the market-ability of the franchise
c) hold out only a few days and be burned by the 15k per day fine and return to camp with a modest raise...

The Bears have the cap room and should do what is right. Give him a reasonable extension and make the money offered to him public, so that Rosenhaus can't use the media against the bears...

We have another thread where the 5m per year number was kicked around and with the current group of WRs / QBs / RBs not commanding top dollar, the money needs to go on the offensive side of the ball...especially with Moose's 6m, Berrian's 1m, Fred Miller's 5m and Ruben Brown's 3m gone from last season's cap figures...we need to take a hard look at where we are spending our money and get him in camp...our WR's can't afford to have him playing with even less experience...

Bulldog76
07-23-2008, 06:34 PM
what's new in the sports world? another cocky athlete changing his mind? gee, that's a surprise now isn't it?

No one would describe Hester as cocky...he has only changed his mind because he outperformed his contract and his employer has made it known that if you outperform your contract, your case will be heard in regards to a new deal...

What do you care what he gets paid?

Tankjeep
07-23-2008, 06:40 PM
you don't think that hester's cocky? you have to be cocky to be a returner (prime time - deion saunders) and hester is from the "U".....so cockiness is a prerequisite.

as far as caring what he gets paid...it's a matter of principle and i guess that i'm a little old school when it comes to honoring your contract. this day and age...that idea is merely laughed at. hence the term, holdout.

the bears may have set themselves up for it....but it still doesn't make it right.

Tankjeep
07-23-2008, 06:45 PM
ooops, i my computer is slow tonite.....sorry for the repeat.

Cubsjunkie
07-23-2008, 06:47 PM
I kind of lost a little of respect for Hester. He is nothing more than a special teams player as of right now, and until he proves that he can be a legitimate receiver, he doesn't deserve a contract that is worth holding out for.

Max Power
07-23-2008, 06:52 PM
They have to give him a raise. He is their main, let's face it, their only, chance to score against good defensive teams.
The thing is, it's unchartered territory. There has never been a special teams player like him before, both in production and in being such a huge part of his team's scoring.
I expect the Bears to lowball him.

Soop
07-23-2008, 06:54 PM
I'm not sure he had the time or ability to make a hard line stand until now...

Until the Urlacher deal, the bears had done a nice job of not negotiating with holdouts or those unhappy with their deals and held their ground. With Urlacher getting new money, it sent a message to Hester and Rosenhaus that if you outperform your contract, your situation will be heard...


Regardless, Hester shouldn't have acted like everything was fine when it wasn't. If he couldn't wait he should've said so.

mwoodri
07-23-2008, 06:58 PM
Pandora's box was opened when the team went against their policy and renegotiated with Urlacher.

Expect the line to get longer.

+1

Bulldog76
07-23-2008, 07:00 PM
They have to give him a raise. He is their main, let's face it, their only, chance to score against good defensive teams.
The thing is, it's unchartered territory. There has never been a special teams player like him before, both in production and in being such a huge part of his team's scoring.
I expect the Bears to lowball him.

Harumph...

Two things

1. If you outperform your current pay structure at work, would you ask for a raise ??? If your employer refused, would you look for employment elsewhere? If they held your exclusive rights, would you seek termination and relocate to earn more???

I answer yes to every one of these questions, because I don't work for a company, I work for myself and my family and if I can provide a better life for my family I take every opportunity to do so.

2. If Urlacher deserves more money when he was making 5 or 6m per year, why wouldn't Hester deserve more money when he is making less than 1m per year??

The team set themselves up for this and Hester is doing what is right for him and his family...anyone who objects to that has never negotiated their own contract before and is too naive to comprehend the business and impact this could have on a variety fronts...

Get your money Devin, you deserve it...

If Angelo and company don't want to pay him, than you as a fan need to ask yourself...WHY NOT...and what backup plan do we have in place, because Garret Wolfe returning kicks and Mike Hass lining up at WR is a significant drop from what Hester would be doing...

Bulldog76
07-23-2008, 07:02 PM
Regardless, Hester shouldn't have acted like everything was fine when it wasn't. If he couldn't wait he should've said so.

He did say he wanted a new contract, just not publicly...

And his position was to follow the lead of his teammates and the rulings of management when they were confronted in the past with the same issue.

When Angelo and the singing McCaskey's caved in and gave 54 his money for outperforming his current deal, Hester was given leverage in his negotiation and is now making his point...The timing isn't good, but mgmt made the bed they are going to have to sleep in it...

OR

We could just let him holdout...what do you think they should do? Pay him or let him go?

Tankjeep
07-23-2008, 07:14 PM
Harumph...

Two things

1. If you outperform your current pay structure at work, would you ask for a raise ??? If your employer refused, would you look for employment elsewhere? If they held your exclusive rights, would you seek termination and relocate to earn more???

I answer yes to every one of these questions, because I don't work for a company, I work for myself and my family and if I can provide a better life for my family I take every opportunity to do so.

2. If Urlacher deserves more money when he was making 5 or 6m per year, why wouldn't Hester deserve more money when he is making less than 1m per year??

The team set themselves up for this and Hester is doing what is right for him and his family...anyone who objects to that has never negotiated their own contract before and is too naive to comprehend the business and impact this could have on a variety fronts...

Get your money Devin, you deserve it...

If Angelo and company don't want to pay him, than you as a fan need to ask yourself...WHY NOT...and what backup plan do we have in place, because Garret Wolfe returning kicks and Mike Hass lining up at WR is a significant drop from what Hester would be doing...

comparing the sporst world (which is primarily an entertainment business) to the actual business world (where i've dealt with governmen contractual work)....not a good comparison because the company you work for does not get the same return on their money like a pro football team would. so for me to go into my boss and demand for a raise would probably bring a laughing response. now at the end of my contract if i didn't like their offer...then yes, i could leave and find another job. normally, you'd finish out your contract for however long it is and then see if they want to offer you another contract and for what amount. that part may be negotiable based on your recent performance, but to do it in mid contract year...not likely.

i understand what you are trying to get across, but i tend to feel that a player should honor his contract and if his performance deserves the big money based on his performance within that time frame of the contract, then when it's time to negotiate a new one.....then he should get paid.

mwoodri
07-23-2008, 07:38 PM
Harumph...

Two things

1. If you outperform your current pay structure at work, would you ask for a raise ??? If your employer refused, would you look for employment elsewhere? If they held your exclusive rights, would you seek termination and relocate to earn more???

I answer yes to every one of these questions, because I don't work for a company, I work for myself and my family and if I can provide a better life for my family I take every opportunity to do so.

2. If Urlacher deserves more money when he was making 5 or 6m per year, why wouldn't Hester deserve more money when he is making less than 1m per year??

The team set themselves up for this and Hester is doing what is right for him and his family...anyone who objects to that has never negotiated their own contract before and is too naive to comprehend the business and impact this could have on a variety fronts...

Get your money Devin, you deserve it...

If Angelo and company don't want to pay him, than you as a fan need to ask yourself...WHY NOT...and what backup plan do we have in place, because Garret Wolfe returning kicks and Mike Hass lining up at WR is a significant drop from what Hester would be doing...

I'll respond to this from my real world experience as a real estate agent. I agree to list someone's house for sale for six months at 6% at X price. If I just so happen to get X price plus thousands more, I don't go back to the seller and say "you know what I got you more than X, I outperformed our agreement so I will refuse to sell your house at X price plus thousands unless you give me 7%. Why? Because I signed a contract to perform for 6 months at 6%.

Is Devin Hester underpaid...absolutely! The most underpaid in the league. However, 23 signed a contract to play for the Bears. You play out your contract. He should have signed a shorter term deal if he felt he was going to be worth more to the Bears than what he signed for. And I don't want to hear it from the posters who say "the Bears could cut him at any time and not honor their end of the contract." The PLAYERS ASSOCIATION agreed to those terms of employment, so if the players are unhappy about being able to be cut, they should take it up the association, not the team they play for. If you don't like a team being able to cut you, don't sign a long term deal with millions guaranteed up front!! Play on a one year contract every year and you will be able to ask for money every year you "outperform" your contract. 23 is one of my favorite players, but asking to be paid like an upper tier receiver without showing you are an upper tier receiver is not fair to the Bears. If he comes out and is successful at receiver, the Bears should pay him as such, even if it is mid season. Until then, the Bears have offered to make him the highest paid at his position and you can't fault them for that. You can't pay a fullback quarterback money, and that is what he is asking for, on a smaller scale.

Max Power
07-23-2008, 07:50 PM
Harumph...

Two things

1. If you outperform your current pay structure at work, would you ask for a raise ??? If your employer refused, would you look for employment elsewhere? If they held your exclusive rights, would you seek termination and relocate to earn more???

I answer yes to every one of these questions, because I don't work for a company, I work for myself and my family and if I can provide a better life for my family I take every opportunity to do so.

2. If Urlacher deserves more money when he was making 5 or 6m per year, why wouldn't Hester deserve more money when he is making less than 1m per year??

The team set themselves up for this and Hester is doing what is right for him and his family...anyone who objects to that has never negotiated their own contract before and is too naive to comprehend the business and impact this could have on a variety fronts...

Get your money Devin, you deserve it...

If Angelo and company don't want to pay him, than you as a fan need to ask yourself...WHY NOT...and what backup plan do we have in place, because Garret Wolfe returning kicks and Mike Hass lining up at WR is a significant drop from what Hester would be doing...


I am not sure why you quoted my post, I pretty much agree with what you're stating.
I just don't know what a fair price for both sides is since Hester is the first special teams player in history of his kind. There is no guidline to follow.

Soop
07-23-2008, 08:16 PM
We could just let him holdout...what do you think they should do? Pay him or let him go?

Of course they're going to pay him. Enough said.

monkey balls
07-23-2008, 09:12 PM
I agree Hester needs a raise but only from his special performances, he is not a #1 or 2 reciever and that's the kind of money he wants. The Bears are at fault to with saying he's a #1 all offseason, it also doesn't hurt that he has that moron Deion Sanders barking in his ear. He needs to get into camp asap if he wants to help this team as a WR because last year he was totally lost out there.

Also I saw in previous posts people thinking Rosenhaus is his agent but it's Eugene Parker.

CubsFanBudMan74
07-23-2008, 09:23 PM
i say pay the man

The General
07-23-2008, 10:03 PM
Hester holding out pretty much guarantees the Bears aren't cutting any WRs any time soon

SoxFanSince63
07-23-2008, 10:51 PM
Harumph...

Two things

1. If you outperform your current pay structure at work, would you ask for a raise ??? If your employer refused, would you look for employment elsewhere? If they held your exclusive rights, would you seek termination and relocate to earn more???

I answer yes to every one of these questions, because I don't work for a company, I work for myself and my family and if I can provide a better life for my family I take every opportunity to do so.

2. If Urlacher deserves more money when he was making 5 or 6m per year, why wouldn't Hester deserve more money when he is making less than 1m per year??

The team set themselves up for this and Hester is doing what is right for him and his family...anyone who objects to that has never negotiated their own contract before and is too naive to comprehend the business and impact this could have on a variety fronts...

Get your money Devin, you deserve it...

If Angelo and company don't want to pay him, than you as a fan need to ask yourself...WHY NOT...and what backup plan do we have in place, because Garret Wolfe returning kicks and Mike Hass lining up at WR is a significant drop from what Hester would be doing...


Angelo and the Bears do want to pay Hester and they will! It is just a matter of time, they will likely go in with a nice signing bonus and extension to get him wrapped up for another 5-6 years. They probably under estimated his drive for an equitable extension. They will get the message much quicker by him holding out. I don't think Devin is trying to antagonize the Bears, but he has to protect himself against injury. His value may never be higher than it is right now, especially if he should blow out a knee as many talented receivers and return men often do! Those tacklers want him down real bad and will do all they can to stop him from racing to the end zone! He will be extended within a week or so!

ry31walsh
07-24-2008, 12:16 AM
While this is the first we have heard about Hester holding out it doesn't mean the Bears didn't know this was a possibility. Honestly Hesters in a no win situation if he wants a new deal with the fans. If he comes out and says hes going to hold out and misses OTAs then the fans kill him for being greeedy and holding out.

I do see this holdout as being short. I would surpised if the deal isn't done within a week. I was actually kicking some numbers around and I think 5 year -25 million with maybe some incentives would be a fair deal. The bears coaching staff has said Hester has pro bowl ability as a WR and think he is something special. To me it doesn't matter if you believe that but if your making this statements as a franchise you have to pay the guy like hes a good WR already. If the Bears feel hes the future number 1 WR I think they need to pay him like that. If Hester does become a elite WR that they think he can be they will probable end up underpaying for him.

Honestly I can see Hester having a very good year at WR, at this point he could end up being the number 1 WR to open the season. And more then anything its going to be a very unproven offense as a whole. If the Bears feel getting the ball in Hesters hands is there best option which it might end up being hes going to get a lot of chances to make plays.

x_notorious
07-24-2008, 01:22 AM
Hester
Devin Hester says he feels his holdout "can go down to whenever in the season or the end of the season. No matter what." This one's easy to see through; Hester is paying $15,000+ in daily fines and would lose a credited year by holding out past August 5, postponing his ability to hit unrestricted free agency in 2010. Hester's agent would be doing his client a huge disservice by letting him skip more than two weeks of work.

rotoworld

mr. burns
07-24-2008, 01:25 AM
Anybody who didn't already know that hester would hold out was payin attention. Of course he's going to hold out and the bears who are known for being cheapskates are going to over pay him because he's the player they ahve been marketing for teh last year. the bears scewed themselves on this and hester is going to make way more money than he deserves.

Jimi032890
07-24-2008, 01:26 AM
Where's Rosenhaus!!!??? haha

superdude79
07-24-2008, 03:22 AM
Hester's situation is a tricky one. I am pretty sure there would be teams lining up to give him at least 6 million to sign. To me he is sort of like a 1 st round draft pick in that he has tons of potential, but you already know he can perform at a certain level. I think the whole contract is a waste of time because if he turns into a half decent receiver then he will be asking for a new contract in 2 years time, probably Berrian money.

Mziolkow
07-24-2008, 08:47 AM
I know all you hester lovers are gonna **** when i say this, but hear me out.

The bears should trade hester. They should look to get maybe a first but more likely a 2nd and a fifth or sixth from a team like New England, Chargers, or the Colts. This makes the most sense because these teams are close to a championship and no matter how good hester is at what he does, he is still a return man taht hasnt really shown any proof taht he can be a reliable reciever. The bears are not a good team(offensively at least) and are unlikely to go .500 on the year. As any logical person will tell you, a team cannot be built around a return man, even if its the best return man of all time. If they were to trade him to a team where he could be that "last piece to the puzzle" type player, the bears could maximize his value and perhaps use this pick on something a little more important, like a QB, or WR.

I know this will be an unpopular opinion, because in my experience, bears fans would rather have 6 return TD's a year than win more than 6 games, but this is still the right move for the teams future, especially when hes asking to be paid like a #1 WR.

Bgpapa1
07-24-2008, 08:54 AM
Does he not realize that he not that good of a receiver?? (yet) Heed needs a swift kick in the ***!! Someone needs to tell him that he can make so much more money if he gets his *** to camp, learns how to play WR, and gets good at it. If he does become a top threat are we going to have this situation again because he isn't getting paid enough??? I agree he has out played his pay but if he could suck it up for 1 more year and become a more valuable WR that could mean millions more. BTW I wish I could ***** about only getting paid $445,000 a year!! :)

Jerry34
07-24-2008, 09:32 AM
Well not that it's good but receiver is on the easier side of positions to learn the plays for. It's not like he's a QB or DB holding out. But it would still be nice for him to work on technique and timing with the 1st team O.

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 09:46 AM
I'll respond to this from my real world experience as a real estate agent. I agree to list someone's house for sale for six months at 6% at X price. If I just so happen to get X price plus thousands more, I don't go back to the seller and say "you know what I got you more than X, I outperformed our agreement so I will refuse to sell your house at X price plus thousands unless you give me 7%. Why? Because I signed a contract to perform for 6 months at 6%.

Is Devin Hester underpaid...absolutely! The most underpaid in the league. However, 23 signed a contract to play for the Bears. You play out your contract. He should have signed a shorter term deal if he felt he was going to be worth more to the Bears than what he signed for. And I don't want to hear it from the posters who say "the Bears could cut him at any time and not honor their end of the contract." The PLAYERS ASSOCIATION agreed to those terms of employment, so if the players are unhappy about being able to be cut, they should take it up the association, not the team they play for. If you don't like a team being able to cut you, don't sign a long term deal with millions guaranteed up front!! Play on a one year contract every year and you will be able to ask for money every year you "outperform" your contract. 23 is one of my favorite players, but asking to be paid like an upper tier receiver without showing you are an upper tier receiver is not fair to the Bears. If he comes out and is successful at receiver, the Bears should pay him as such, even if it is mid season. Until then, the Bears have offered to make him the highest paid at his position and you can't fault them for that. You can't pay a fullback quarterback money, and that is what he is asking for, on a smaller scale.

The difference is that you are paid a set commission, so if you are able to get more money from the buyer, you are in turn compensated with more money. You don't take a listing for a 500k house @ 6points, have the homeowner add 100k of value through rehab and landscaping and then still get paid at the 500k level...you get paid at the sale price, which is the contract...you would have completed your contract at that point...

You also aren't held to an exclusive rights contract with that listing, you have multiple listings...imagine if an 8m listing came to you and said they wanted exclusive representation from you...with the market being in the crapper it takes you longer than they want to sell the property and you are fired with no compensation and time has passed while you have turned down other listings...Now imagine you have a commercial real estate developer who wants you to sign a 4 year agreement to list exclusively with his company and you are building his business faster than any other broker in the region... Would you then ask for an increase in compensation???

If not, you are undervaluing yourself and your market...

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 09:48 AM
I am not sure why you quoted my post, I pretty much agree with what you're stating.
I just don't know what a fair price for both sides is since Hester is the first special teams player in history of his kind. There is no guidline to follow.

I was quoting you because I thought you hit the nail on the head...that is why I gave the Harumph...its an old Blazing Saddles reference...

Harumph, Harumph...

I didn't get a Harumph out of that man...

HARUMPH HARUMPH...

You watch your ***!

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 10:00 AM
I know all you hester lovers are gonna **** when i say this, but hear me out.

The bears should trade hester. They should look to get maybe a first but more likely a 2nd and a fifth or sixth from a team like New England, Chargers, or the Colts. This makes the most sense because these teams are close to a championship and no matter how good hester is at what he does, he is still a return man taht hasnt really shown any proof taht he can be a reliable reciever. The bears are not a good team(offensively at least) and are unlikely to go .500 on the year. As any logical person will tell you, a team cannot be built around a return man, even if its the best return man of all time. If they were to trade him to a team where he could be that "last piece to the puzzle" type player, the bears could maximize his value and perhaps use this pick on something a little more important, like a QB, or WR.

I know this will be an unpopular opinion, because in my experience, bears fans would rather have 6 return TD's a year than win more than 6 games, but this is still the right move for the teams future, especially when hes asking to be paid like a #1 WR.

Gentlemen,

Allow me to tear this argument to pieces...

You are putting Hester on the block for the same compensation the NYG got for a malcontent tight end with an injury history...

You then justified it by saying Hester is a one trick pony

You also say that his one trick isn't special enough to help win games...

hahahahahahahahhhahhahahahaahahaha

First off, the asking price is two first round picks, considering he is entering the prime of his career and hasn't been ruled out as a great slot wr...But this would be the worst trade ever because the Bears would then have to replace him on ST and in the WR mix...something they can't do with a draft pick. Not this year.

Second, Hester is a one trick pony who averaged 15 ypc last year in limited duty and with more experience, you have to allow for his development and increased production at the WR position...Typically this does not occur at the NFL level because teams draft players who are position ready and rarely switch them (notable exceptions of Dustin Lyman and Jerry Azumah) from offense to defense...However, when this does occur you have to allow them a year or two to re-develop those skills...We put a year into the development process and now we are supposed to hand him away for NE / IND so they can continue their dynasty runs...Not too smart

Third...Hester was the offensive MVP of last season in my mind, because he created a short field for our offense to work with...If you believe this offense is going to struggle at maintaining possession and moving the ball down the field, why would you want to put them out there with a longer field to work with...Hester's ability to shorten the field puts our offense in scoring position within 3 first downs of when they take the ball over...That is a HUGE advantage for our struggling group.

So, just to summarize, Hester scored more touchdowns than anyone we have on our roster, he has the single handed ability to improve the likelihood of success for our offense, he has a greater chance to contribute on offense at WR as both a producer and a decoy...and you want to get rid of him for a second round pick and a fith or sixth rounder...Do us all a favor...stop posting dribble like this...it is just stupid.

cubsbears1225
07-24-2008, 10:02 AM
this is complete bull****. His *** should be @ camp

Shardik17
07-24-2008, 10:03 AM
In the immortal words of the mad Russian KGB in that movie Rounders:

"Pay that man his money."



Everyone knows we want Devin. Everyone knows we need Devin. Everyone knows Devin wants to be here to do all those jaw dropping wonderful, ridiculous things he does.
He's a special player with a ton of upside potential.
We don't even know the extent of his talent. Perhaps he'd make a great receiver.
I would hate to see that with him wearing a different team's jersey.

Quit Effen around, sign the check, ink the deal and get his arse on the field.
He needs all the work at receiver he can get.

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 10:04 AM
Does he not realize that he not that good of a receiver?? (yet) Heed needs a swift kick in the ***!! Someone needs to tell him that he can make so much more money if he gets his *** to camp, learns how to play WR, and gets good at it. If he does become a top threat are we going to have this situation again because he isn't getting paid enough??? I agree he has out played his pay but if he could suck it up for 1 more year and become a more valuable WR that could mean millions more. BTW I wish I could ***** about only getting paid $445,000 a year!! :)

Well, first off he was getting paid the same amount as Marques Colston a 7th round pick...before Colston re-worked his deal..so his first contract was a bumbled mess...

Eugene Parker is his agent and is now looking for a new contract, because if he doesn't get him his money, than Drew Rosenhaus will look Devin in the eye and say...Do you realize I have backup tight ends and linebackers getting paid more than you ?

He's not *****ing about the 445k, he is asking for fair compensation within his industry...take the numbers out of the equation...if you were getting paid 10% of your worth, wouldn't you want to change that?

Jimi032890
07-24-2008, 10:43 AM
Gentlemen,

Allow me to tear this argument to pieces...

You are putting Hester on the block for the same compensation the NYG got for a malcontent tight end with an injury history...

You then justified it by saying Hester is a one trick pony

You also say that his one trick isn't special enough to help win games...

hahahahahahahahhhahhahahahaahahaha

First off, the asking price is two first round picks, considering he is entering the prime of his career and hasn't been ruled out as a great slot wr...But this would be the worst trade ever because the Bears would then have to replace him on ST and in the WR mix...something they can't do with a draft pick. Not this year.

Second, Hester is a one trick pony who averaged 15 ypc last year in limited duty and with more experience, you have to allow for his development and increased production at the WR position...Typically this does not occur at the NFL level because teams draft players who are position ready and rarely switch them (notable exceptions of Dustin Lyman and Jerry Azumah) from offense to defense...However, when this does occur you have to allow them a year or two to re-develop those skills...We put a year into the development process and now we are supposed to hand him away for NE / IND so they can continue their dynasty runs...Not too smart

Third...Hester was the offensive MVP of last season in my mind, because he created a short field for our offense to work with...If you believe this offense is going to struggle at maintaining possession and moving the ball down the field, why would you want to put them out there with a longer field to work with...Hester's ability to shorten the field puts our offense in scoring position within 3 first downs of when they take the ball over...That is a HUGE advantage for our struggling group.

So, just to summarize, Hester scored more touchdowns than anyone we have on our roster, he has the single handed ability to improve the likelihood of success for our offense, he has a greater chance to contribute on offense at WR as both a producer and a decoy...and you want to get rid of him for a second round pick and a fith or sixth rounder...Do us all a favor...stop posting dribble like this...it is just stupid.

I agree with everything

chicubs377
07-24-2008, 11:16 AM
get him signed already.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-24-2008, 11:19 AM
Tell him to quit being a ***** and get endorsement deals

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 12:30 PM
Tell him to quit being a ***** and get endorsement deals

And why should he be treated differently than Urlacher?

He is underpaid, and this is how the business works...tell your boy Jerry Angelo to cough up the cash or trade him to someone who will...that is how it is going to play out...

If it goes to Aug. 7th and he misses a year of servitude, expect this to get very ugly and the holdout to last the entire season...in which case, we should all be very afraid of how this team will play...

Let's not call him a b-tc# for holding out, because he is getting paid 10 cents on the dollar of what he should be earning...

infinity2152
07-24-2008, 01:38 PM
Everybody's acting like Devin Hester is God. We all hope and pray that he looks great this year as an unproven receiver, but that's hope. His value will never be higher, and no teams are going to kick to him anyway. seriously, how many kick returns do you think he'll get this year. I'd trade him for Brady Quinn right now, we have lots of people who can return kicks, and I think franchise QB is a lot more important than franchise kick returner. How much value does Hester really have if no one kicks to him. we get good field position so Grossman or orton can take over. Wow. That's really a good game plan.

mwoodri
07-24-2008, 01:46 PM
Well, first off he was getting paid the same amount as Marques Colston a 7th round pick...before Colston re-worked his deal..so his first contract was a bumbled mess...

Eugene Parker is his agent and is now looking for a new contract, because if he doesn't get him his money, than Drew Rosenhaus will look Devin in the eye and say...Do you realize I have backup tight ends and linebackers getting paid more than you ?

He's not *****ing about the 445k, he is asking for fair compensation within his industry...take the numbers out of the equation...if you were getting paid 10% of your worth, wouldn't you want to change that?


And why should he be treated differently than Urlacher?

He is underpaid, and this is how the business works...tell your boy Jerry Angelo to cough up the cash or trade him to someone who will...that is how it is going to play out...

If it goes to Aug. 7th and he misses a year of servitude, expect this to get very ugly and the holdout to last the entire season...in which case, we should all be very afraid of how this team will play...

Let's not call him a b-tc# for holding out, because he is getting paid 10 cents on the dollar of what he should be earning...

It sounds to me he is *****ing about 445K

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080723-devin-hester-holdout-chicago-bears,1,2803042.story

And as I have stated he is the most underpaid player in the league and deserves to be paid more. Saying JA will not cough up the cash is an unfair statement. They have offered to make him the highest paid in the league at his position. As you stated this is a business. It would be a bad business decision for the Bears to blindly pay him like a receiver without him proving himself as a receiver. If he is not happy being the highest paid special teams player in the league, he needs to show up to camp, learn the playbook that he struggled with last year, and show everyone he can be an elite receiver in this league. At that point he will be paid as such (I would even be willing to pay him as a receiver halfway through the season), but until then, it is unreasonable to expect the Bears to pay him anything more than what he is: the best special teams player on the planet.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-24-2008, 01:56 PM
And why should he be treated differently than Urlacher?

He is underpaid, and this is how the business works...tell your boy Jerry Angelo to cough up the cash or trade him to someone who will...that is how it is going to play out...

If it goes to Aug. 7th and he misses a year of servitude, expect this to get very ugly and the holdout to last the entire season...in which case, we should all be very afraid of how this team will play...

Let's not call him a b-tc# for holding out, because he is getting paid 10 cents on the dollar of what he should be earning...

I never said he should be treated differently. I was pissed when Urlacher did it. Fact of the matter is YES it is a business but theres a salary cap and thats not something we can just let go. Here are some of Hesters quotes from the paper this morning.


You should pay me like I'm one of a kind. It's like dating a girl. When you find somebody who is real special, you're going to do whatever it takes to keep her. You might cut back on what you're giving your mom to give to her. And thats how I feel they should treat me.

Yeah Devin we know you're one of a kind but dont talk to the media and dont use horrible analogies. They make you look stupid.


Pay me what I'm worth. I'm getting paid the same as a cat drafted in the 6th or 7th round my year

Well what is he worth? We offered him to be the highest paid kick returner ever. Take that and some incentive based for receiving.


I'm like this-it's not worth it to show up
When a guy is *****ing about only making about half a million I dont think he should be skipping practices and getting fined 15,000 dollars a day. Thats 75k a week if he's really that far down you'd think he'd participate in workouts to save that money. Not to mention he's hurting the team and his chances. Why not go in and prove you can run routes and catch balls? That can only ****ing help you.

Bottom line its ****ing selfish. Yes you deserve more money but you're putting yourself ahead of the team and thats bull****

4cubs
07-24-2008, 03:46 PM
There is an obvious, simple solution.

Performance based contract.

Pay him as the highest paid kick returner plus incentives for being a receiver.

Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he should have no problem meeting bonus milestones. Of course when the gamble is on his side, I'm sure he would balk at the suggestion.

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 04:03 PM
He wants to be the highest paid special teams player, which suggests to me he should be paid about 3.2 per year with a 5m signing bonus...that is what gould and lindell got in their contracts...and they are special teams players.

Now assume he wants some wr pay on top of that...4.2m per over the next 4 years with 8m guaranteed and 5m up front...making it 4 years 21.8m...

If we can't offer that, than who are we kidding...

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 04:04 PM
There is an obvious, simple solution.

Performance based contract.

Pay him as the highest paid kick returner plus incentives for being a receiver.

Let him put his money where his mouth is. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he should have no problem meeting bonus milestones. Of course when the gamble is on his side, I'm sure he would balk at the suggestion.

The team can't afford to do that because he will reach most if not all incentives...pro bowl, all pro, yardage incentives, touchdowns, offensive snaps...that is going to cost them more than just paying him the salary he wants...

beardown1985
07-24-2008, 05:19 PM
And why should he be treated differently than Urlacher?

He is underpaid, and this is how the business works...tell your boy Jerry Angelo to cough up the cash or trade him to someone who will...that is how it is going to play out...

If it goes to Aug. 7th and he misses a year of servitude, expect this to get very ugly and the holdout to last the entire season...in which case, we should all be very afraid of how this team will play...

Let's not call him a b-tc# for holding out, because he is getting paid 10 cents on the dollar of what he should be earning...


He should be treated differently from Urlacher because Urlacher's been doing this damn thing for damn-near a decade and has proven again and again that he is the BEST defensive player in the game, bar-none.


If Hester and the Bears were smart, they would agree to just a one-year raise just to get him into camp, and then rework his contract after the season. give him a 3 million dollar bonus to shut him up... we can't afford to rework his contract until we KNOW what we have in him at WR.

Yeah, Hester is underpaid, but he should realize the compromising situation he is putting the Bears in... And ****, if he can prove himself at WR before it is time for contract talks, his value would double... so why wouldn't he want to prove himself?

Holding out of camp is not going to help his situation or ours... i'm disappointed in him.

Bulldog76
07-24-2008, 09:29 PM
He should be treated differently from Urlacher because Urlacher's been doing this damn thing for damn-near a decade and has proven again and again that he is the BEST defensive player in the game, bar-none.


If Hester and the Bears were smart, they would agree to just a one-year raise just to get him into camp, and then rework his contract after the season. give him a 3 million dollar bonus to shut him up... we can't afford to rework his contract until we KNOW what we have in him at WR.

Yeah, Hester is underpaid, but he should realize the compromising situation he is putting the Bears in... And ****, if he can prove himself at WR before it is time for contract talks, his value would double... so why wouldn't he want to prove himself?

Holding out of camp is not going to help his situation or ours... i'm disappointed in him.

Another thread has said that he is asking for 9m per year...that is crazy money...I don't know what to think about that.

on one hand I want him on my team...on the other, if he gets 9m, than the flood gates will open for players demanding new deals...

on the bright side, this incident falls at the feet of angelo and if this season goes down the tank, than we are one step closer to getting rid of JA and bringing in a new gm...

azbearfan
07-25-2008, 01:28 AM
Holding out of camp is not going to help his situation or ours... i'm disappointed in him.



I'm with you on this one.