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JordansBulls
07-23-2008, 08:24 AM
Voting for #7 has concluded and PSD's Official #7 Player of all time is....


Oscar Robertson

http://www.nba.com/media/history/robertson_dr_300.jpg


25.7 PPG | 7.5 RPG | 9.5 AST | .4865 FG | 23.18 PER


Achievements:

12 time All-Star
1 NBA Championship
1 Time MVP
3 Time All Star MVP
9 Time All-NBA First Teamer
Rookie of the Year
Led in Assists 6x
181 Career Triple Doubles (most ever by a player)



Oscar Robertson = 39 votes
Hakeem Olajuwon = 26 votes
Shaquille O'Neal = 20 votes
Kobe Bryant = 17 votes
Julius Erving = 6 vote
Tim Duncan = 5 votes
Jerry West = 1 vote
Moses Malone = 1 vote
Other = 1 vote



The List:
1. Michael Jordan (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242529)
2. Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243543)
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244377)
4. Magic Johnson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245662)
5. Bill Russell (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246661)
6. Larry Bird (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247634)
7. Oscar Robertson (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248716)


Voting will now begin for the Eighth greatest player of all time....

pebloemer
07-23-2008, 08:48 AM
Hakeem and Shaq should be the players ot zero in on here.

There are a lot of other good options though.

rhino17
07-23-2008, 09:47 AM
Hakeem easily

next would be either Kobe or Shaq

SHONIE
07-23-2008, 10:33 AM
Hakeem. No doubttttttt

innovator
07-23-2008, 11:03 AM
kobe.... he should have been like 6th..

astrosmaniac
07-23-2008, 11:25 AM
:pity: at that last comment


hakeem

AgentViet
07-23-2008, 11:26 AM
Shaq, totally dominated this era with 4 rings to show it.

Ragun
07-23-2008, 11:37 AM
kobe

phlp_bj
07-23-2008, 11:46 AM
shaq. one of the best centers in nba history. next will be hakeem

KNICKSFAN
07-23-2008, 11:52 AM
hakeem, then shaq

dawgsfan_45
07-23-2008, 11:54 AM
Shaq...it was close but he dominates with even bigger, faster, and stronger players.

rhino17
07-23-2008, 12:28 PM
Hakeem was the most dominate center in prlly the best era of centers. Plus he won a championship without a dominate sidekick (Penny, kobe, wade). Vernon maxwell was a good player but that was the 2nd best player on the rockets. Hakeem was also a much mroe skilled player and absolutely dominated BOTH end of the court. He has to be #8

PhillyLuver
07-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Hakeem, the dream, olajuwon

Markg
07-23-2008, 12:45 PM
Dr. J for inventing the modern game.

FYI - George Mikan is on there twice

mikedesi1004
07-23-2008, 12:55 PM
Hakeem Olajuwon

J-Relo
07-23-2008, 01:04 PM
SHaq :)...

LA_cabals
07-23-2008, 01:04 PM
Don't let your hate for a player blind your judgement..... ;)

OaklandsFinest
07-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Hakeem was the most dominate center in prlly the best era of centers. Plus he won a championship without a dominate sidekick (Penny, kobe, wade). Vernon maxwell was a good player but that was the 2nd best player on the rockets. Hakeem was also a much mroe skilled player and absolutely dominated BOTH end of the court. He has to be #8

HARDLY!!!!! Clyde Drexler, Mario Ellie, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert Horry. He had a very good team. I think you have to look at maybe Shaq made his sidekicks great. When Kobe tried to "dominate" a series against Detroit they were run out the building. Shaq I believe has 3 NBA Finals MVPs and was the most dominant. Hakeem is next on the list but Shaq comes first.

OaklandsFinest
07-23-2008, 01:09 PM
Kobe is not a top 15 player, so can people please stop voting already fro Kobe Bryant.

rhino17
07-23-2008, 01:11 PM
HARDLY!!!!! Clyde Drexler, Mario Ellie, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Robert Horry. He had a very good team. I think you have to look at maybe Shaq made his sidekicks great. When Kobe tried to "dominate" a series against Detroit they were run out the building. Shaq I believe has 3 NBA Finals MVPs and was the most dominant. Hakeem is next on the list but Shaq comes first.

An old Clyde Drexler was only on 1 of the champonship teams. Kenny Smith was terrible, horry and sam were rookies.

8) Hakeem
9) Duncan
10) Kobe
11) Shaq

marlinsfan24
07-23-2008, 01:14 PM
KOBE! Are you serious? He's not up there yet?

Who else has ever scored 81 points in a game?

King Koopa
07-23-2008, 01:19 PM
Shaq.

King Koopa
07-23-2008, 01:22 PM
Jerry west shouldnt even be in the top 50, because Im pretty sure that if he had played with the players that play now in days he would be someone like Peja, all they can do is shoot. Besides when he played there was only like 5 black players in the league.

Chaudhry
07-23-2008, 01:23 PM
KOBE! Are you serious? He's not up there yet?

Who else has ever scored 81 points in a game?

and how many defensive player of the year awards does he have?

i think its hakeem or shaq... hakeem was much better defensively and shaq is slightly better offensively... so i say hakeem

King Koopa
07-23-2008, 01:25 PM
and how many defensive player of the year awards does he have?

i think its hakeem or shaq... hakeem was much better defensively and shaq is slightly better offensively... so i say hakeem

Big men almost always win Defensive play of the year.

SwaggaIke
07-23-2008, 01:28 PM
Its Shaq's time.

dawgsfan_45
07-23-2008, 01:33 PM
KOBE! Are you serious? He's not up there yet?

Who else has ever scored 81 points in a game?

Are you serious. Wilt has. If Kobe didn't hog the ball the ENTIRE game he would not have scored 81 points. By the way he only had 2 assists that game.

fresh prince
07-23-2008, 01:35 PM
Hakeem was the most dominate center in prlly the best era of centers. Plus he won a championship without a dominate sidekick (Penny, kobe, wade). Vernon maxwell was a good player but that was the 2nd best player on the rockets. Hakeem was also a much mroe skilled player and absolutely dominated BOTH end of the court. He has to be #8

He Also abused Shaq Head to head..Granted he was older/wiser but still

LAKERMANIA
07-23-2008, 01:48 PM
Are you serious. Wilt has. If Kobe didn't hog the ball the ENTIRE game he would not have scored 81 points. By the way he only had 2 assists that game.

the Lakers were down by 20 the entire game until the second half when kobe went on a scoring streak.. re-watch the game

rhino17
07-23-2008, 01:51 PM
If shaq beats hakeem i am not voting in this anymore because that would be a complete joke

Vidball
07-23-2008, 02:00 PM
Same guy I voted for the last couple rounds...Shaq.

BigEric
07-23-2008, 02:10 PM
Wow not much love for Duncan.

Vidball
07-23-2008, 04:03 PM
^He'll get some soon

GregOden#1
07-23-2008, 04:11 PM
Jerry west shouldnt even be in the top 50, because Im pretty sure that if he had played with the players that play now in days he would be someone like Peja, all they can do is shoot. Besides when he played there was only like 5 black players in the league.

There were more black people in the league then than today, because of the euro influx. About 80% to 78% today if I recall correctly.

He's also one of the most well rounded players ever, being an elite level scorer, passer, and arguably the greatest wing defender ever. Not to mention the intangibles and the clutchness. He should have been #7, at worst #8 behind Oscar.

JordansBulls
07-23-2008, 04:16 PM
An old Clyde Drexler was only on 1 of the champonship teams. Kenny Smith was terrible, horry and sam were rookies.

8) Hakeem
9) Duncan
10) Kobe
11) Shaq


How is Kobe ahead of Shaq when they were on the same team and Shaq won as the best player each time?

Markg
07-23-2008, 04:19 PM
And you cant judge a player by how they would play in their prime against today's players. It's just rediculous to do. No player from the 70s would be as great in their prime in the 00's, the level of athletic skill is just uncomparable.

People do this all the time with football..saying something like: "If Jim Brown played today he would be a backup fullback".

You judge a player on how they play during their career against their peer athletes. You don't judge Jerry West against Michael Jordan..just doesnt work.

And FYI - You sound really stupid for saying there were only 5 black players in the 70s..and if you are black your self you should be ashamed for not knowing your own heratige.

dre1990
07-23-2008, 04:23 PM
DR.J, he had a better carrer then shaq and hakeem. people forget about his ABA years

DreamShaker
07-23-2008, 04:25 PM
Hakeem was the most dominate center in prlly the best era of centers. Plus he won a championship without a dominate sidekick (Penny, kobe, wade). Vernon maxwell was a good player but that was the 2nd best player on the rockets. Hakeem was also a much mroe skilled player and absolutely dominated BOTH end of the court. He has to be #8

Yes.

philab
07-23-2008, 04:42 PM
KOBE! Are you serious? He's not up there yet?

Who else has ever scored 81 points in a game?

So one game determines the worth of an entire career? So David Thompson is like the 3rd best player of all-time?

How about David Cone, David Wells, Don Larsen, Kenny Rogers, etc.? Are they top-15 pitchers of all-time?


Kobe is not #8, and even if he was, it would have NOTHING to do with 81. That 81 is the most overused, overrated statistic in recent memory. It's a great feat, but it means NOTHING except for that the guy scored a bunch of points in one game.

stawka
07-23-2008, 04:44 PM
KOBE! Are you serious? He's not up there yet?

Who else has ever scored 81 points in a game?

So going by your theory, Wilt>Kobe>David Robinson>Jordan. Wow

Anyway, Shaq has this. It's between he and Hakeem, nobody else should even be talked about until these 2 are out. Shaq destroyed everyone this era, while Hakeem was just a gun in every aspect of the game. Shaq has 4 rings, Hakeem has 2. Shaq's got this

*Superman*
07-23-2008, 04:55 PM
Yeah, i had to vote for Shaq too. He has been dominant for a long time, but thats now nearing to an end. It will be weird not having Shaq in the league after all this time.

rhino17
07-23-2008, 05:14 PM
How is Kobe ahead of Shaq when they were on the same team and Shaq won as the best player each time?

they are interchangable imo

Iodine
07-23-2008, 06:01 PM
Don't let your hate for a player blind your judgement..... ;)
Same could be said for not letting your insane man love blind you

that being said I vote hakeem

yaowowrocket11
07-23-2008, 06:46 PM
Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon

CHief_0_o_Wahoo
07-23-2008, 07:43 PM
I'd agree with the popular vote on Hakeem.

BRADfromOZ
07-23-2008, 08:15 PM
Hakeem for me too. How can you have Karl Malone there and not John Stockton? Who has career totals in assists and steals that will never be matched.

BlondeBomber41
07-23-2008, 09:00 PM
I hope when Shaq and Hakeem are gone the voters can then vote for Tim Duncan and not have the travesty of Kobe Bryant being voted over Tim Duncan end up happening.

Chronz
07-23-2008, 10:10 PM
Jerry west shouldnt even be in the top 50, because Im pretty sure that if he had played with the players that play now in days he would be someone like Peja, all they can do is shoot. Besides when he played there was only like 5 black players in the league.

Can someone erase his vote, must we respect these opinions?

Chronz
07-23-2008, 10:11 PM
He Also abused Shaq Head to head..Granted he was older/wiser but still
Dont confuse Shaq with Robinson and Ewing prince.

Chronz
07-23-2008, 10:17 PM
I find it funny how Laker fans are either voting for Kobe or against Shaq by taking Hakeem.

Hakeem had a 3 year stretch in which he compares to some of Shaqs lesser seasons. At their peak both players were similar but Shaq maintained his domination throughout his career. Rocket fans have come in full force for this one as well.

sanfranfan1210
07-23-2008, 10:26 PM
Hakeem

Joshtd1
07-23-2008, 10:26 PM
I hope when Shaq and Hakeem are gone the voters can then vote for Tim Duncan and not have the travesty of Kobe Bryant being voted over Tim Duncan end up happening.

:nod:

astrosmaniac
07-23-2008, 10:49 PM
I find it funny how Laker fans are either voting for Kobe or against Shaq by taking Hakeem.

Hakeem had a 3 year stretch in which he compares to some of Shaqs lesser seasons. At their peak both players were similar but Shaq maintained his domination throughout his career. Rocket fans have come in full force for this one as well.

:pity: at that bolded statement

Hakeem is one of the top 3 denfensive centers of all time, i would put him 2 behind kareem, but no lower than 3. he did it all. The All time leader in blocked shots. he blocked shots, stole passes, and just made people alter their shot by getting in there face. Every year, except for 97-98 on when he was injured, he never averaged less than 20 PPG in any year. untill 98-99 his efficiency rating was never lower than 22. He had 7 years with an efficiency rating of 30 or higher. 12 all-star appearances in 13 years. MVP, 6time all nba 1st team. Hakeem is the #8 player of all time

GregOden#1
07-23-2008, 11:11 PM
:pity: at that bolded statement

Hakeem is one of the top 3 denfensive centers of all time, i would put him 2 behind kareem, but no lower than 3. he did it all. The All time leader in blocked shots. he blocked shots, stole passes, and just made people alter their shot by getting in there face. Every year, except for 97-98 on when he was injured, he never averaged less than 20 PPG in any year. untill 98-99 his efficiency rating was never lower than 22. He had 7 years with an efficiency rating of 30 or higher. 12 all-star appearances in 13 years. MVP, 6time all nba 1st team. Hakeem is the #8 player of all time

There are players with better careers still on the board. Jerry West, Julius Erving, Shaquille and Tim Duncan all had better careers than Hakeem.

Afridi786
07-23-2008, 11:13 PM
omg, looks like kobe homers will make him the 10th best player ever.

Ramon Nivar
07-23-2008, 11:15 PM
Shaq... again.

Chronz
07-23-2008, 11:18 PM
:pity: at that bolded statement

Hakeem is one of the top 3 denfensive centers of all time, i would put him 2 behind kareem, but no lower than 3. he did it all. The All time leader in blocked shots. he blocked shots, stole passes, and just made people alter their shot by getting in there face. Every year, except for 97-98 on when he was injured, he never averaged less than 20 PPG in any year. untill 98-99 his efficiency rating was never lower than 22. He had 7 years with an efficiency rating of 30 or higher. 12 all-star appearances in 13 years. MVP, 6time all nba 1st team. Hakeem is the #8 player of all time

Dont mean to be rude but you thinking that Kareem was a better defender than Hakeem is bogus, I give Hakeem all the credit in the world defensively, Ive posted as such even saying hes arguably the greatest defender ever at his peak. And yes he was the **** but Shaq was better for longer.

marvILLous
07-23-2008, 11:32 PM
Shaq

still1ballin
07-23-2008, 11:42 PM
kobe.... he should have been like 6th..

i agree...maybe even 2nd....i believe he is the only player ever considered as great as michael jordan.

astrosmaniac
07-24-2008, 12:12 AM
i agree...maybe even 2nd....i believe he is the only player ever considered as great as michael jordan.

:pity: wow, just wow:pity:

LakerFan4L1fe24
07-24-2008, 01:12 AM
As much as I despise Shaq, he is the most dominant big man I have ever watched (never got to see Hakeem play) so he gets my vote.

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 07:31 AM
i agree...maybe even 2nd....i believe he is the only player ever considered as great as michael jordan.

Not when he has no top 50 finals performances since 1977 and has been their 5 times and not when he has ever won as the best player on his team.

DreamShaker
07-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Not when he has no top 50 finals performances since 1977 and has been their 5 times and not when he has ever won as the best player on his team.

Yeah but he scored 81 points in a game....geez!

LA_Raiders
07-24-2008, 01:03 PM
Kobe should be top 5...Haters...He will be #1 in 5 years...

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 01:05 PM
Kobe should be top 5...Haters...He will be #1 in 5 years...

Based on what?

How he performs in the finals??

You do know that Kobe's numbers from the season to the playoffs to the finals virtually go down in nearly every category don't you?

Westbrook36
07-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Kobe should be top 5...Haters...He will be #1 in 5 years...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

still1ballin
07-24-2008, 01:22 PM
When kobe's career is over he will be #2 behind jordan as all time. You can quote me on that.

Westbrook36
07-24-2008, 01:24 PM
When kobe's career is over he will be #2 behind jordan as all time. You can quote me on that.

:laugh: If I had room I would.

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 01:51 PM
When kobe's career is over he will be #2 behind jordan as all time. You can quote me on that.

What is this based off of?

I can claim that in 5 years I will be a billionaire but if I have no way to prove it then it doesn't matter what I say.

LAKERMANIA
07-24-2008, 01:54 PM
Not when he has no top 50 finals performances since 1977 and has been their 5 times and not when he has ever won as the best player on his team.

You sound like DwadeAI3 right now..

Like i said, Oscar Robertson is in the same boat.. He is known for his regular season performances, won a title with Alcindor as the best player on his team.. If he gets voted 7th why not Kobe in the top 10 as well?

LAKERMANIA
07-24-2008, 02:03 PM
Look when we are talking about top 10 GOAT, there has to be a balance between Talent, and success.. More than half of you are focusing WAY to much on success over talent..

MJ is perfect when talking about that, he had the talent and success, so he gets #1

Wilt has more talent than success.. He is known for great regular season performances.. but has 2 titles so he gets 2nd of all time

BIG O has 1 ring, road on Alcindors back to win the title, never won MVP of the finals on his own i dont even think he went back to the finals after Alcindor left.. But his regular season performances overshadowed his success, so the fans voted him in 7th

So i ask you, maybe kobe doesn't have much success, but does his season performances overshadow his playoff performances like BIG O?

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 02:06 PM
You sound like DwadeAI3 right now..

Like i said, Oscar Robertson is in the same boat.. He is known for his regular season performances, won a title with Alcindor as the best player on his team.. If he gets voted 7th why not Kobe in the top 10 as well?

I didn't vote for Oscar nor do I agree with the selection.

Like mentioned I think when talking about the best especially top 10 you have to be a guy who has won as the best on your team as well as have the numbers to support you. Now if there aren't 10 candidates then you can factor other things. I think once Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan go then it should have been Oscar, West, Kobe, Dr J, Havlicek etc in the same boat.

This is another reason why I created this thread before.

Measuring Greatness (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125557&highlight=measure)

LAKERMANIA
07-24-2008, 02:11 PM
I didn't vote for Oscar nor do I agree with the selection.

Like mentioned I think when talking about the best especially top 10 you have to be a guy who has won as the best on your team as well as have the numbers to support you. Now if there aren't 10 candidates then you can factor other things. I think once Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan go then it should have been Oscar, West, Kobe, Dr J, Havlicek etc in the same boat.

So what you are saying is, If the Lakers win with Kobe winning Finals MVP, you will include him in the top 10?

We should just call this Top 10 Finals MVPs of all time

Lets include Chauncey and the Truth, Tony Parker, we're missing a lot of players

PHX-SOXFAN
07-24-2008, 02:16 PM
When kobe's career is over he will be #2 behind jordan as all time. You can quote me on that.

we'll remember you said it.:rolleyes:

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 02:19 PM
So what you are saying is, If the Lakers win with Kobe winning Finals MVP, you will include him in the top 10?

We should just call this Top 10 Finals MVPs of all time

Lets include Chauncey and the Truth, Tony Parker, we're missing a lot of players

Do you know the difference between having a finals mvp and having a legendary finals MVP?


ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1)


starting with Bill Walton's supreme effort against the Sixers in 1977 and going all the way through to the troika from San Antonio in last year's sweep of Cleveland

Now that is what ESPN mentioned regarding them.

Looking at the list, who do you see on it, that has not even been voted in yet? You see Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan and all have multiple legendary finals.

Also look at the top 30 players on that list.

PHX-SOXFAN
07-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Kobe should be top 5...Haters...He will be #1 in 5 years...

how is he going to be #1 ever with the playoff failures he has on his resume?:confused: and the problems with teammates that cause on court problems and failures?:confused: his trade request?:confused: his bashing of front office, teammates, coaches, and his owner?:confused: his legal problems?:confused: his crybaby press conference with his wife?:confused:

Just wondering.:o

phillyphan4ever
07-24-2008, 02:25 PM
Kobe

LAKERMANIA
07-24-2008, 02:26 PM
Do you know the difference between having a finals mvp and having a legendary finals MVP?


ESPN (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1)



Now that is what ESPN mentioned regarding them.

Especially the top 30.

well then Bill Walton should be in the list in front of kobe, he has an MVP and Kobe doesn't.. tony Parker had a great series against the Cavs.. he should be in there before Kobe, what about Paul Pierce? Billups? They all had a great series.. Hell, put in Nash because he has 2 season MVPS and Kobe has 1..

A finals MVP is a Finals MVP.. the way you get it is not important to me.. imo, if you are known for something, like being one of the best scorers of all time.. Being known as the second best SG of all time behind Jordan.. what he has done in the playoffs is important, but come on you need to do well in the season before you can get to the playoffs

JordansBulls
07-24-2008, 02:34 PM
well then Bill Walton should be in the list in front of kobe, he has an MVP and Kobe doesn't.. tony Parker had a great series against the Cavs.. he should be in there before Kobe, what about Paul Pierce? Billups? They all had a great series.. Hell, put in Nash because he has 2 season MVPS and Kobe has 1..

A finals MVP is a Finals MVP.. the way you get it is not important to me.. imo, if you are known for something, like being one of the best scorers of all time.. Being known as the second best SG of all time behind Jordan.. what he has done in the playoffs is important, but come on you need to do well in the season before you can get to the playoffs

Of course you need to do well in the season that is a given. No one would be in the conversation with just a finals mvp if they didn't have a great season. This is what we mean when talking about the all time greats. You can't be an alltime great top 10-15 player without being great in the season. The playoffs is where you distance yourself and the finals is where you make your biggest case.
This is why I just don't see how guys who have been more dominant and shown to lead teams when it mattered multiple times are not given the acknowledgement? We are not talking about guys who may have done something once, but guys who have done so multiple times. That is what Shaq, Duncan and Hakeem have done. Pierce, Parker and Billups have 1 finals mvp a piece but none of them have dominated the finals and haven't had a great season in comparison with the other elite guys in the league. Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan have.

Incublime24
07-24-2008, 02:56 PM
Are you serious. Wilt has. If Kobe didn't hog the ball the ENTIRE game he would not have scored 81 points. By the way he only had 2 assists that game.

kobe also shot 61% from the floor that game. would you rather have kobe keep shooting it, or would you rather have him pass the ball to luke walton or smush parker? come on, lets be real here. yes, he was ball hogging, but when hes in the process of doing something unbelievable, and doing it efficiently while his team is winning, then why not let him keep shooting.

by the way, you dont think wilt was hogging the ball when he got his 100 pts?

astrosmaniac
07-24-2008, 03:41 PM
Kobe is a great player. probably top 15 all time, but hakeem, shaq, and duncan, along with everyone already selected all deserve to be higher than kobe. maybe when kobe retires, he'll be top 10, but not now

astrosmaniac
07-24-2008, 03:43 PM
kobe also shot 61% from the floor that game. would you rather have kobe keep shooting it, or would you rather have him pass the ball to luke walton or smush parker? come on, lets be real here. yes, he was ball hogging, but when hes in the process of doing something unbelievable, and doing it efficiently while his team is winning, then why not let him keep shooting.

by the way, you dont think wilt was hogging the ball when he got his 100 pts?

they were both ball hogging, and if kobe is shooting 61% i have no problem with him scoring 81 points, but just 1 game isnt enough to put him over 3 of the most dominant big men of all time

AllTheWay
07-24-2008, 04:58 PM
Hakeem

LA_cabals
07-24-2008, 11:14 PM
Same could be said for not letting your insane man love blind you

that being said I vote hakeem

If I had 'insane man love' then I would have voted for said person already, but I didn't til now #8.

Incublime24
07-25-2008, 04:44 AM
they were both ball hogging, and if kobe is shooting 61% i have no problem with him scoring 81 points, but just 1 game isnt enough to put him over 3 of the most dominant big men of all time

i agree 100%. I voted for Hakeem. Just wanted to make a point about Kobe's performance, because people tend to discard the incredible feat by saying he ballhogged.