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07-21-2008, 01:21 PM
Rumored Josh Smith to Detroit Pistons trade hits the airwaves


Rumored Josh Smith to Detroit Pistons trade hits the airwaves

Posted by Dave Dial July 21, 2008 09:48AM
There has been a lot of speculation on the internet, from various websites that cover the NBA, about a possible sign and trade of Josh Smith to the Detroit Pistons, one reason being that Smith does not want to play for the Atlanta Hawks and wants to be traded. The local media, especially Detroit's sports radio personalities, are talking about rumors of the Smith trade they are hearing from their sources. The national media, Stephan A. Smith, is telling his audience of a possible trade that would bring Tracy McGrady to the Pistons.

Drew Sharp told listeners of 97.1 last week of a trade and a signing that he has heard rumors about. The sign and trade would go like this, Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince and Amir Johnson to the Atlanta Hawks for Josh Smith. Sharp also told listeners that if the Lakers did not match the offer Golden State gave to Ronny Turiaf, the Pistons might be able to sign Andris Biedrins for the Mid-Level Exception. The Lakers have since declined to match the offer for Turiaf.

There have been other members of the media to write about the Pistons' interest in Smith, so it's a good bet that there is something there. But the scenario that Mr. Sharp gave would be impossible to happen. It does not work within the NBA's collective bargaining agreement.

There is a complication in any sign and trade with Smith because he immediately becomes a Base Year Compensation, or BYC, player. From the NBA Salary Cap FAQ:

One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 73 for more information on BYC), so the player's BYC value must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed.
With question number 73 explaining what the BYC value actually means:

Base year compensation (BYC) prevents another salary cap loophole. Without BYC, a team over the salary cap that wants to trade a player, but can't because of the Traded Player exception (which says teams can't take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away), could just sign the player to a new contract that fits within the desired range, then do the trade. BYC says "if you re-sign a player and give him a big raise, then for a period of time his trade value will be lower than his actual salary."
BYC defines the salary that's used to compare players for compliance under the Traded Player exception (see question number 68 for more information about the Traded Player exception). Usually the salary used for comparison is the player's actual salary. But under either of the following circumstances, a different salary is used when comparing salaries for trading purposes:

* The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it's the minimum salary).
* The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player's rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.

If either of the above apply, then the player is considered a base year player. A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later. When trading a base year player, the salary used for comparison is the player's previous salary, or 50% of the first-year salary in his new contract, whichever is greater.

The rumor that Mr. Sharp told us about had Josh Smith starting at a salary of 12 million dollars. Under the rules of the CBA, Smith becomes a BYC player immediately and his contract in any sign and trade becomes worth half of that(6 million, because that is half of his first years salary and a higher figure than his salary last season).

Which means that since Atlanta is over the salary cap, they can only take back salaries that are with 25% plus $100,000 of 6 million dollars. While the Pistons also being over the cap would have to send out contracts that equaled at least 8.9 million dollars. Tayshaun Prince is making 9.5 million and Amir Johnson is making 3.6 million, totaling over 13.1 million dollars. There is no way for that trade to work without including a third team, other exceptions, or other players.

Add that to the thought of Golden State not matching an offer of the Mid-Level for Biedrins, and you have to get the impression that Sharp got his information from a bad source. It is hard to imagine the Warriors not matching any offer Biedrins receives. Of course his source could have told him only the principles in what would be a trade and not the details. Rob Parker has also mentioned the possibility of a sign and trade with Atlanta involving Josh Smith. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

Stay tuned...

07-21-2008, 02:15 PM
good find...i really hope smith isnt leaving but prince wouldnt be that much of a downgrade. At least he has a ring!

07-21-2008, 10:26 PM
that trade for atlanta is boo-boo..y'all would be a team of small forwards tayshon/johnson/williamsa/childress (if he re-signs)...makes no sense for atlanta

07-22-2008, 03:01 PM
maybe we could do a sign and trade with the clippers and get camby and a young player or picks... cuz they got him for free

07-22-2008, 03:33 PM
maybe we could do a sign and trade with the clippers and get camby and a young player or picks... cuz they got him for free

Unfortunately, league rules now say that a player who has just been traded to a new club cannot be traded from that same club for at least 2 months after the trade is finalized. I wish I had a link for that, but I've been hearing a lot about that since the Camby trade. I have no idea why that is.....

07-22-2008, 05:08 PM
Makes no sense for the Hawks. Last thing they need is another SF. I think a Rasheed Wallace for Smith trade works for both teams.

07-22-2008, 05:49 PM
no it doesnt. plus smoove is really a small forward

07-22-2008, 06:31 PM
^ Who doesn't it make sense for? Atlanta could use Rasheed who is more of a PF than Smith, but the trade is still good for Detroit because Sheed is the guy I think they really want to move and Smoove is about as good a player as you can get. He could basically be like Sheed on offense and Ben Wallace on defense for Detroit. Even though I do agree he is more of SF.

07-22-2008, 09:32 PM
Rasheed is like 34 years old. Tell me why he would do good with the hawks. we would still have two pfs and smith is better than sheed also.

07-22-2008, 10:31 PM
It would be amazing to do a trade with Charlotte for Okafor. Perhaps a sign and trade with childress, Marv, and zaza for Okafor?? dont know how the money side would work out but it would let Horford play his natural position and the Horford- Okafor tandom would be off the charts.

07-22-2008, 11:41 PM
okafor cant play center either...he gets hurt when he does.

07-23-2008, 02:31 PM
I wouldn't do it!!! Smoov>Prince