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garlicboy
07-20-2008, 02:57 AM
Here's a nice article by JA Adande.

I like this opening statement of one of his paragraphs;

"With the Warriors it's not just a matter of how good the assembled pieces will be. It's a question of what overall philosophy they will adopt and which compass bearing they will follow."

Identity, identity, identity. People expect us to be the same Dubs under Baron, relying on him to take over in the 4th. I think his departure is going to spark players to strive to do more, knowing that they are going to be given more opportunities. Hopefully early adversity will make this team come together and learn how to play as a unit rather than depending on Baron.

The release of Baron will foster a sense of unity and dependence from this young and improving team whose co-dependence on Baron Davis would have been absolute with 1 more year with Baron Davis at the helm. Baron's opt out is a blessing in disguise. Randolph would never have had to learn to defer to Baron instead, he's going to learn to be a main cog and creator on the Dubs offense.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Warriors-Vegas-080719

danbuc0101
07-20-2008, 03:13 AM
good article

garlicboy
07-20-2008, 02:11 PM
Roster:
PG: Monta
SG: Jax
SF: Maggette
PF: Al
C: Biedrins

Turiaf, Randolph, Belinelli, (back-up Pg?)

Our bench is unproven beyond Turiaf, I think we're signing Buike.

I also would rather play Randolph over Wright at the PF spot. Wright is the odd man out with the signing of Turiaf and ability of Randolph.

lincecum=future
07-20-2008, 02:12 PM
Roster:
PG: Monta
SG: Jax
SF: Maggette
PF: Al
C: Turiaf

Turiaf, Randolph, Belinelli, (back-up Pg?)

Our bench is unproven beyond Turiaf, I think we're signing Buike.

I also would rather play Randolph over Wright at the PF spot. Wright is the odd man out with the signing of Turiaf and ability of Randolph.

You mean Biedrins right? :confused:

garlicboy
07-20-2008, 02:19 PM
Yup,

I don't think wright will start, because he along with Biedrins, that's 2 too many guys on the floor who can't handle the ball, create, or shoot from the outside.

I think Randolph will see a burn at the 4 along with Turiaf at the 5. Belinelli can come in and play the 1 or 2, with Jax sliding to the 3. Azubuike if we sign him comes in at the 2 or 3. I won't be surprised if we even see Buike play some 4 for us in certain match-ups/back-ups(Gomes), Clips(Tim Thomas, Thornton), Sonics(Green, Durant) etc.

GLobo
07-20-2008, 02:40 PM
How can wright be the odd man out, he's further in development than Randolph, and has more upside than Turiaf...don't sleep on Wright with consisten minutes he will be amazing

garlicboy
07-20-2008, 04:49 PM
How can wright be the odd man out, he's further in development than Randolph, and has more upside than Turiaf...don't sleep on Wright with consisten minutes he will be amazing

Randolph is better than or equal to Wright in every facet of the game. Did you watch any summer league games? In the same amount of minutes, Randolph surpassed Wright in every statistcal category except blocks while playing fewer games and averaging less minutes. Brandan Wright is only 5 pounds heavier, but Randolph is stronger, per pre-draft strenght tests.

These are the cold hard facts.

Some experts have stated, that if a re-draft occured, Randolph would be a top 5 pick.

This guy has scary potential!!! If you watched last game, he was playing Point guard and doing a good job!!! You should be happy that we have a player with the talent of Anthony Randolph.

He's 19 years old 6'10" still growing and can as of now can play Point Guard to Power Forward.

Tmac416
07-20-2008, 04:56 PM
dude come on seriously? really? you know wright isnt the odd man out. wright is our future pf and and the organization form the top to the bottom has made it clear that wright is gonna be having much bigger roel and impact. there is no point in even defending that becuase its been written and tlaked about so much. and biedrins is defintly not coming off the bench. turiaf is not gonna be starting. i dont know if i want to go much farther with this

garlicboy
07-20-2008, 05:20 PM
dude come on seriously? really? you know wright isnt the odd man out. wright is our future pf and and the organization form the top to the bottom has made it clear that wright is gonna be having much bigger roel and impact. there is no point in even defending that becuase its been written and tlaked about so much. and biedrins is defintly not coming off the bench. turiaf is not gonna be starting. i dont know if i want to go much farther with this

Who said Turiaf was starting?

TMac,
The organization never once stated that Wright would start. The want him to be a "blend player" Wright calls views his role as a glue guy who brings energy. That doesn't exactly scream starter. In fact in hints more towards back-up.

If Nellie has a choice between starting a Power Forward who can shoot, and one who can't. He's probably going to go with the shooter. Wright couldn't even grab close to double digits boards in the summer league, he's not an upgrade over Al Harrington as a rebounder.

YOU HAVE TO DOMINATE SUMMER LEAGUE!!! To show you can start, you have to play above and beyond these players, because these players are fringe NBA players. D-leaguers Michael Harris and Elton Brown averaged more points and boards than Wright in equal to or less minutes this summer. In the pasts, scrubs have dominated the summer league, James White John Lucas, Marcus Goree, Marcus Banks etc, etc.

Domination of the summer league is the first step of showing you deserve minutes.

garlicboy
07-20-2008, 05:35 PM
Don Nelson, Miwaukee Bucks.

Paul Pressey, 6'5" SF/Guard.

The first point forward type in the NBA coached by Don Nelson.

These Bucks teams under Nelson had 7 guys average double figures. No pure PG, but they had an inside presence in TC. They would consistently win over 50 games. Nelson's been doing this stuff for years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIL/1987.html

Warriorsforlife
07-20-2008, 05:38 PM
tmac your trippin. randolph looks like he's gonna be a top notch player. wright may end up over seas or something. not gonna count him out completly but he cant touch randolph

BAYAREA DEVOTEE
07-20-2008, 09:26 PM
sorry got to agree with the mac on this one i personally believe that wright will have an outstanding year maybe MIP player of the year if he gets the minutes i dont think he will be over seas just cause anthony randolph is having a great summer league and you here nothing from brandon doesnt mean that he will riding the bench.

Thatruth32
07-21-2008, 11:11 AM
This was on tha main page under nba...



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Warriors-080720


LAS VEGAS -- Every so often in the NBA Summer League, the Golden State Warriors would give the ball to Anthony Randolph at the top of the floor, spread the court and let the 6-foot-10 rookie drive to the hoop.

It served as a way-out-there preview of what the Warriors' future could be: an offense highlighting the ballhandling skills of the tallest player on the roster. A reinvention of the revolution.

Why not go to the extreme? The Warriors as we knew them the past two years were irreversibly altered the moment Baron Davis left to join the Los Angeles Clippers.

"When you lose your No. 1 player, you're probably not going to be as good," coach Don Nelson said. "We'll be different. I don't know how."

With the Warriors, it's not just a matter of how good the assembled pieces will be. It's a question of what overall philosophy they will adopt and which compass bearing they will follow.

Monta Ellis often was the most important player for the Warriors at the end of last season, but is he ready to be The Man on a full-time basis?

The Warriors could bide time, waiting for Ellis to get to the next level and for Randolph, Brandan Wright and Marco Belinelli to develop. They could send some of their youth off in trades and try to strike it rich with a Ron Artest or a Shawn Marion before their contracts expire.

At some point they'll need to find a direction, because when Davis left, he didn't take away just 22 points and eight assists a game. He took away the team's identity.

Yes, the Warriors were about Nelson's crazy lineups and their overall wild shot selection. And they had -- and still have -- Stephen Jackson's push-it-to-the-brink edge and Ellis' quickness. But above all, the Warriors were about Davis' boldness and vivacity -- not to mention his willingness to take over late in games.

"His stay with us was incredible," Warriors general manager Chris Mullin said. "He's had as big an impact on our franchise as any player we've had, I think.

"His talent and personality were somewhat larger than life. He had an incredible presence."

One Warriors fan came up to me and said he went to all but a handful of Golden State home games this season, and the main reason he went was to see Davis.

Makes you wonder why the Warriors didn't see that, why they didn't take the combined $67 million they committed to sign free agents Corey Maggette and Ronny Turiaf and use it on an extension for Davis.

Davis' agent, Todd Ramasar, said, "The organization wasn't committed to Baron Davis long-term. [There was] no effort to retain him."

Even though Davis played all 82 games this season, the Warriors had to be concerned that his body would break down or that he'd become disenchanted, as happened while he was playing under a max contract in New Orleans. The same concerns existed in 2005, but they didn't keep the Warriors from acquiring him while he still was under that max deal.

His value to the team should have only increased after the Warriors won 90 games the past couple of seasons, their highest two-year total since winning 99 in the Run TMC days of 1990-91 and 1991-92.

On the flip side, it seems as if the new NBA trend is the decreasing power of the hometown discount. In many previous cases, players have been so comfortable with their surroundings and enthralled with their team that they'd have taken less money than they could have made elsewhere to stick around. This summer we've seen the reverse from Davis and Elton Brand, two players who expected maximum-type money from their teams and became disenchanted when it didn't happen.

As a result, it seems as if the eras are getting shorter and shorter. Three of the top eight players from the 2006-07 team who captivated hoops fans in its two-round playoff run are gone (Davis, Jason Richardson and Mickael Pietrus). And a fourth, Matt Barnes, saw his production drop off drastically last season and currently is in free-agent limbo.

One of the pleasant surprises of this past season's squad was Kelenna Azubuike, who filled in some of the hole left by the trade of Richardson to Charlotte. But Azubuike won't be back if the Warriors don't match the three-year offer worth an estimated $9 million the Clippers made to the restricted free agent.

We'll probably look back on this brief, thrilling, convention-defying Warriors run the same way we think of Bo Jackson: with fonder memories than the raw numbers warrant. Jackson never averaged more than 86.4 rushing yards per game in the NFL and had only one 30 HR/100 RBI season in baseball. But anyone who saw Jackson won't forget him and would rank him above most of his contemporaries.

At times it already sounds as if the Warriors are drifting back toward the norm.

One of the things Mullin brought up was Maggette's ability to get to the free-throw line (10 times a game last year, third-best in the league), helping a category in which the perimeter-oriented Warriors ranked in the lower half of the NBA last season. Good luck trying to sell season-ticket packages with that premise.

The Turiaf move was just as basic.

"We need big people," Nelson said.

Though the Warriors addressed some deficiencies, it doesn't mean they have to get away from their strengths, one of which was their unpredictability. They uncorked another unexpected move in a Summer League game Saturday, starting Belinelli at point guard when C.J. Watson was injured.

Belinelli did pretty well running the team and finished with eight assists, giving the Warriors an option if they want to explore ways to both get Belinelli on the court and alleviate the team-running duties for Ellis.

"For me, next year is a very important year," Belinelli said. "It's important for me to play. That's it. During the game I can take the ball and play point guard. But I prefer to play shooting guard. But I can do both."

Hopefully Nellie can get past the rookie aversion he showed with Belinelli and Wright last year and give Randolph some run. At power forward or small forward, Randolph could be a matchup problem either way with his combination of height and quickness, as a 6-10 guy who can make defenders fall backward with a crossover dribble.

Right now Randolph still is prone to making young mistakes, as basic as fumbling the ball away for a turnover while trying to inbound after a basket. But he is already showing he deserved to go much higher in the draft than the 14th spot where the Warriors grabbed him. He promised he'll have a chip on his shoulder, and he lit up when asked about playing in Nelson's open system.

"It just puts a smile on my face," Randolph said. "He allows you to play."

The Warriors won't emphasize defense, of course, because that's not the Nelson way. And they'll still be up-tempo.

The challenge for the Warriors is, as Mullin put it, to "maybe accomplish similar things differently.

"Our style's not going to change a whole lot," he said. "We might try to go faster."

Last season, the Warriors were the highest-scoring and most consistently fun team to watch in the league.

And I will say this: They did play the two most enjoyable games during the two full days I spent watching in the desert. The cult of the Warriors was well represented at the Summer League, with blue "The City" and yellow "We Believe" T-shirts popping up regularly in the stands at Cox Pavilion.

They'd be advised to adopt the same philosophy as the front-office execs sitting near them, to not expect too much but be on the lookout for possible discoveries.

Maybe, with the play of a slender rookie forward and an eager Italian guard, the Warriors will have a little something to keep the revolution alive.

J.A. Adande joined ESPN.com as an NBA columnist in August 2007 after 10 years with the Los Angeles Times. Click here to e-mail J.A.

Thatruth32
07-21-2008, 11:21 AM
i posted it before i read it... its about the whole upcoming season.. not just all on #4

Saltinuts40
07-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Great Article. It is nice to see a non Bay Area writer write a great non biased article about the Warriors. He didn't make it seem like Baron would be a stud in L.A. and the Warriors were idiots. He didn't make it seem like we overpaid for Maggette. He made it seem like there is hope for maintaining the excitement of 2 years ago, but if we miss the boat, we would be Bo Jackson.

Obviously we would rather be Barry Sanders with our exciting play or Emmitt Smith and win multiple championships, but the comparison of the Davis-led Warriors is accurate.