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NIUTKE
07-15-2008, 04:40 AM
I want to keep this civilized first and foremost. I am just honestly wondering why Bears fans are so down on Garrett Wolfe. I am a homer, as I watched him in college, and think he is a good player. He just needs to get a decent chance with a good offensive line. I understand the knocks against him are that he is too small and that we took him too high, but neither one of those are his fault. Wolfe was a stud in college and has a chance to be a good player in the NFL with a good O-Line in front of him. His rushing numbers weren't that good but that could be said about any Bears RB last year. He averaged 13 yards per reception last year (4th on the team), which is an aspect that the Bears need to utilize more. Wolfe did not lose one fumble in his limited carries and had a longer run than Peterson, who had 5x the carries as Wolfe did.

SDBearsFan
07-15-2008, 05:01 AM
i love wolfe, and hope he does well..but the bottom line is the dude's small. did you see the game last season when we sent him up the middle, against I think Green Bay, and i thought they hit him so hard he was going to fall apart.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-15-2008, 07:51 AM
He may have been great in college but is too small to run inside or block in the NFL

Bulldog76
07-15-2008, 09:02 AM
I want to keep this civilized first and foremost. I am just honestly wondering why Bears fans are so down on Garrett Wolfe. I am a homer, as I watched him in college, and think he is a good player. He just needs to get a decent chance with a good offensive line. I understand the knocks against him are that he is too small and that we took him too high, but neither one of those are his fault. Wolfe was a stud in college and has a chance to be a good player in the NFL with a good O-Line in front of him. His rushing numbers weren't that good but that could be said about any Bears RB last year. He averaged 13 yards per reception last year (4th on the team), which is an aspect that the Bears need to utilize more. Wolfe did not lose one fumble in his limited carries and had a longer run than Peterson, who had 5x the carries as Wolfe did.

I agree with where your heart is...but the while it isn't his fault that he is the smallest back in the NFL, it isn't going to change the fact that he is.

He is too small to block or run inside and as a result he will be limited to spot duty, similar to how Dave Meggett was used for a majority of his career...

You also mentioned that he would need a decent offensive line, and to this point, we aren't sure that we have one of those either...making it even more difficult for him to find success...

Personally, I would have cut him and signed Kevin Jones / Mike Anderson / whoever else because he is so limited by his size.

NIUTKE
07-15-2008, 09:23 AM
Don't take this comparison the wrong way, because I am not saying the two are anywhere near the same level, but Wolfe is the same size as Barry Sanders. I think 99% of Bears fans would be happy if Wolfe could produce 1/5 of what Sanders did in his career. I agree he is small, but I think they should bulk him up and still try and maintain his speed because he could be utilized real well on pitches to the outside as well as just hanging out in the flat for outlet passes and just letting him run.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-15-2008, 09:30 AM
bulldog I'll let you take this one :pity:

Bulldog76
07-15-2008, 09:44 AM
Don't take this comparison the wrong way, because I am not saying the two are anywhere near the same level, but Wolfe is the same size as Barry Sanders. I think 99% of Bears fans would be happy if Wolfe could produce 1/5 of what Sanders did in his career. I agree he is small, but I think they should bulk him up and still try and maintain his speed because he could be utilized real well on pitches to the outside as well as just hanging out in the flat for outlet passes and just letting him run.


HUH ???

Wolfe 5'7" 177
Sanders 5'9 205

Only about a 30 pound difference there...but close ??

And I think Wolfe has been trying to add size this offseason...He certainly isn't trying to slim down any...I think this post is a little too homer for any serious consideration...

IF the kid went to Minnesota, you wouldn't have any interest in keeping hiim on the the team

Bulldog76
07-15-2008, 09:49 AM
bulldog I'll let you take this one :pity:

Thanks...I really can't imagine anyone thinking that Garret Wolfe could be physically transformed into a 200 pound running back and keep his speed.

Let's throw logic out the window and say that does happen...We will then utilize the quick pitch and use him as our feature back?! right...

I am honestly so confused as to why Barry Sanders was brought up, it has left me almost speechless...The Greatest Running Back of All-Time (not named Payton) is now being compared to Garret Wolfe...

Seriously, was Dave Meggett, Warrick Dunn, Lorenzo Booker, Travis Miner or any other "scat" back too difficult to think of??? Or does this jamoke really think that Garret Wolfe could be utilized in a similar fashion to Barry Sanders?

Really??? 30 carries a game for Sanders was about the norm...SO, let's see if Wolfe can get 30 carries this season...

Holy crap, this board just took a giant step backwards...

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-15-2008, 09:54 AM
Thanks...I really can't imagine anyone thinking that Garret Wolfe could be physically transformed into a 200 pound running back and keep his speed.

Let's throw logic out the window and say that does happen...We will then utilize the quick pitch and use him as our feature back?! right...

I am honestly so confused as to why Barry Sanders was brought up, it has left me almost speechless...The Greatest Running Back of All-Time (not named Payton) is now being compared to Garret Wolfe...

Seriously, was Dave Meggett, Warrick Dunn, Lorenzo Booker, Travis Miner or any other "scat" back too difficult to think of??? Or does this jamoke really think that Garret Wolfe could be utilized in a similar fashion to Barry Sanders?

Really??? 30 carries a game for Sanders was about the norm...SO, let's see if Wolfe can get 30 carries this season...

Holy crap, this board just took a giant step backwards...

Eh this kind of stuff happens dont blame the board. I'd be willing to take more of a lighter Maurice Jones-Drew comparison but we can't really utilize him in a similar style unless we're putting him back in KR with hester.

Fuselage
07-15-2008, 10:48 AM
I think Wolfe could amount to something this year and I'm hoping like crazy that he does. Maybe he won't amount to much, but something. Of course, it depends on how Turner uses him & that is a little scary, but it is possible. NIUTKE is right - it's not his fault we took him too high in the draft, so we can't fault him for it. But it is crazy for us to have this super special circumstance back on our roster when we don't have proven starters & K. Jones is out there begging for a job. I don't fault Wolfe for it & I'm going to support him if he's on the team. But I do fault the organization for thinking we're so clearly set at RB that there was no reason to even go to the Kevin Jones workout.

bears118
07-15-2008, 11:06 AM
Problem with Wolfe is not that he's not skillful enough it's simply that he is not bulky enough, Drew-Jones works cause He's over 200lbs, wolfe last season was 175 at most. Now if he can come in this year at a minimum of say 190lbs, if he was ever 175 in the first place, then he's got a chance. Also blocking is about technique rather than pure size and strength. Drew-Jones showed that last year when he lit up Merriman when the played the Chargers. Besides, Wolfe was only 175lbs but it's not like he was twiggy otherwise he simply would of died last year, let alone fail to be productive. and I've seen Wolfe throw a linebacker to the ground when running up the middle in college so he's not exactly a weed.

Everyone was unproductive last year. and this year will not be an immediate turn around due to the OL changes. (Williams learning the tricks of the trade, Tait switching Back and Either Metcalf proving he's not a srcub or St Clair playing out of position.) But it sure as hell will be better.

Also Wolfe should never be an every down back anyway and sure as hell never sent up the middle, Blame Turner for that one. That isn't the best use for him, like Reggie Bush it doesn't work he works in space.

He needs to be a change of pace and a 3rd Down option. Maybe having both him and Forte in the backfield at some points instead of a Full back could be an interesting scheme for a few plays on 3rd down to spread the defense a little. Aslo he should get more time returning Kicks, at least in the pre-season to see how he does cause although, correct me if I'm wrong, he didn't in college, his skill set would be Ideal in space with and could make our team even harder to kick to.

He will be better if he stays on the team this year but he's not going to be a magician.

Shardik17
07-17-2008, 02:55 PM
Will the Bears even keep 4 backs?

If not, he'd be the one to go.

beardown1985
07-17-2008, 03:53 PM
Eh this kind of stuff happens dont blame the board. I'd be willing to take more of a lighter Maurice Jones-Drew comparison but we can't really utilize him in a similar style unless we're putting him back in KR with hester.

In my opinion, returning kicks with Hester is exactly where Wolfe needs to be. He has Hester's explosiveness and what he lacks in shiftiness he makes up with a low center of gravity and the ability to bounce off of tackles and keep a play going (youtube the screen he had against the saints that he took like 30 or 40 yards). With teams kicking away from Hester all the time on kick returns, why not have somebody back there who not only has reliable hands, but also can break a play open at any given time? Lets try to give him the ball in some space and see what he can do.

For all of you who are writing him off already... there is a long list of backs who are considered "too small" that have had good careers. And if it is already established that he won't get to touch the ball 25 times a game, well, neither can Reggie Bush and he was taken #2 overall. I am not saying Wolfe is the next Warrick Dunn, but nothing is saying that he can't be. Give him a chance! 1 year is NOT enough to judge either way.

cambovenzi
07-17-2008, 11:48 PM
In my opinion, returning kicks with Hester is exactly where Wolfe needs to be. He has Hester's explosiveness and what he lacks in shiftiness he makes up with a low center of gravity and the ability to bounce off of tackles and keep a play going (youtube the screen he had against the saints that he took like 30 or 40 yards). With teams kicking away from Hester all the time on kick returns, why not have somebody back there who not only has reliable hands, but also can break a play open at any given time? Lets try to give him the ball in some space and see what he can do.

For all of you who are writing him off already... there is a long list of backs who are considered "too small" that have had good careers. And if it is already established that he won't get to touch the ball 25 times a game, well, neither can Reggie Bush and he was taken #2 overall. I am not saying Wolfe is the next Warrick Dunn, but nothing is saying that he can't be. Give him a chance! 1 year is NOT enough to judge either way.

hes too small to block for hester(or anyone for that matter), and other receivers who can block can be just as effective returning it.

its almost the same philosophy i have with orton.
yes, small RB's have been good in the past, but that doesnt mean THIS one will. he is too small, not just height wise, weight-wise.
we have 3 better RB's on the roster, and he cant help on ST either.

The General
07-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Wolf is an awesome guy, but he's a smaller and less talented version of Reggie Bush. He's a change of pace back, with a crappy o-line too boot. So I really don't expect to see any progress from him this year. I think if Garett puts on some weight and learns to catch out of the backfield, he may develop into a great 3rd down option for us.

freaknasty23
07-18-2008, 01:36 AM
CBS sportsline has himlisted as 185 now so thats a step in the right direction really

The General
07-18-2008, 01:47 AM
^ I know what your thinking (Barry Sanders), but he's a different body type, Barry was a very wide (almost pudgy) guy, he would bounce of guys and was very hrd to tackle.

Garett is a lot skinnier and gets arm tackled play after play.

beardown1985
07-18-2008, 02:47 AM
hes too small to block for hester(or anyone for that matter), and other receivers who can block can be just as effective returning it.

its almost the same philosophy i have with orton.
yes, small RB's have been good in the past, but that doesnt mean THIS one will. he is too small, not just height wise, weight-wise.
we have 3 better RB's on the roster, and he cant help on ST either.

Again, how can you say that he's too small to block?? Hasn't Warrick Dunn always been regarded as one of the better blocking RBs in the game, despite his size? You can't just judge what he can and can't do on the field just by looking at height and weight.

look, I am not an idiot. obviously, small RBs are what they are, and the majority of them don't make it in the NFL. however, it is WRONG to just discount Wolfe already before we even get a taste of his potential. I am willing to put more faith in Gabriel and the rest of our scout team than anybody else who is ready to cut him after just ONE ROOKIE YEAR in limited action.


And who are you to say that he can't help on special teams? The coaches were giving him a lot of reps and he didn't look bad out there. And really, how hard is it to block for hester anyways? all you got to do is get in somebody's way and watch Hester fly by. having a dual threat in the return game would be HUGE... we all saw how many returns Davis got last year just from people kicking away from hester. imagine if that was ANOTHER dynamic playmaker who can get into the endzone when he has some space to work with.. I can definitely see Wolfe being that type of player, and I think he would be perfect for that situation.

And plus, A.P. isn't getting any younger... lets see if wolfe can come into his own in the next couple years. And hey, if he doesn't, we just pick up a veteran RB in free agency who can put in work on special teams. whats the risk here in keeping him, really?

WOwolfOL
07-18-2008, 03:08 AM
^ I know what your thinking (Barry Sanders), but he's a different body type, Barry was a very wide (almost pudgy) guy, he would bounce of guys and was very hrd to tackle.

Garett is a lot skinnier and gets arm tackled play after play.

Barry wasn't Pudgy... he was built like a brick house, similar to MJD. He still is just a very thick dude...

Barry had perhaps the biggest legs ever for a 200 lb HB, but I would never call him pudgy.

The General
07-18-2008, 05:06 AM
you know what i meant, he has a thick body type

bears118
07-18-2008, 10:40 AM
As I said before blocking, especially is a low center of gravity and technique thing rather than brute strength thing. Davis, the new TE for the Bears is the perfect example of this. The Guy is 6ft 7 and huge but when they interviewed the TE coach he said that it's difficult for a guy of his size to get leverage cause he can't get low enough.

Wolfe will be fine and no he's more than likely not going to be the new Sanders but he will be fine and I see the bears keeping all their backs as Forte/Jones will start and spilt the carries for two reasons. 1stly Forte has just come out of college and has to digest the whole playbook basically in 3 months, not an easy thing to do. He also hasn't played a 16 game season before let alone playoffs so he is not going to be able to carry the ball 25+ times a game and not die by the end of the 12 game in this league. 2ndly, Jones is injury prone and allowing him to share the carries with Forte will allow him to limit his wear and tear through the season, plus he has experiance which can help aid Forte's growth through the season.

Peterson is on special teams for all 4 phases cause with hester there we need to keep ST to a high standard.

Wolfe is going to be a bit part guy but with Benson gone, they will need him unless they bring in someone else. But Wolfe had some of the best runs of the season last year so I'm not writing him off yet

Mr Wonderful
07-18-2008, 12:59 PM
Instead of cutting him (which is what will probably happen), just throw is *** in front of Hester for kickoffs. That would shock the **** out of teams...either take the penalty or kick it out of the end zone.

Bulldog76
07-18-2008, 01:15 PM
Again, how can you say that he's too small to block?? Hasn't Warrick Dunn always been regarded as one of the better blocking RBs in the game, despite his size? You can't just judge what he can and can't do on the field just by looking at height and weight.

look, I am not an idiot. obviously, small RBs are what they are, and the majority of them don't make it in the NFL. however, it is WRONG to just discount Wolfe already before we even get a taste of his potential. I am willing to put more faith in Gabriel and the rest of our scout team than anybody else who is ready to cut him after just ONE ROOKIE YEAR in limited action.


And who are you to say that he can't help on special teams? The coaches were giving him a lot of reps and he didn't look bad out there. And really, how hard is it to block for hester anyways? all you got to do is get in somebody's way and watch Hester fly by. having a dual threat in the return game would be HUGE... we all saw how many returns Davis got last year just from people kicking away from hester. imagine if that was ANOTHER dynamic playmaker who can get into the endzone when he has some space to work with.. I can definitely see Wolfe being that type of player, and I think he would be perfect for that situation.

And plus, A.P. isn't getting any younger... lets see if wolfe can come into his own in the next couple years. And hey, if he doesn't, we just pick up a veteran RB in free agency who can put in work on special teams. whats the risk here in keeping him, really?


He is not a small RB..he is a tiny RB...he also lacks tremendous acceleration and top end speed...he was a very good college RB, but that won't translate to the NFL because of the speed on defense and tackling ability...

His special teams contributions had better be spectacular, because he is gonna be cut otherwise...I personally think that Rashied Davis, Corey Graham and Kenny Payne look to be better return specialist to be put alongside Hester...

So really, what value does Wolfe provide??? I would like to think he is shifty and quick enough to play 5-8 snaps a game on offense, but if it means cutting adrian peterson to keep him, it may be a tough sell.

chicagowhitesox
07-18-2008, 01:32 PM
He's gonna be like 4th on the depth chart this season, so it doesn't look like he's gonna get his opportunity.

beardown1985
07-18-2008, 03:04 PM
He is not a small RB..he is a tiny RB...he also lacks tremendous acceleration and top end speed...he was a very good college RB, but that won't translate to the NFL because of the speed on defense and tackling ability...

His special teams contributions had better be spectacular, because he is gonna be cut otherwise...I personally think that Rashied Davis, Corey Graham and Kenny Payne look to be better return specialist to be put alongside Hester...

So really, what value does Wolfe provide??? I would like to think he is shifty and quick enough to play 5-8 snaps a game on offense, but if it means cutting adrian peterson to keep him, it may be a tough sell.

Rashied Davis is a good kick returner and we usually can get pretty good field position, but he's never going to be a dynamic kick returner who can take it to the house. I don't know why you would choose Kevin Payne as a kick returner, especially since he's going to have a largely expanded role on D.. And I can't even speak on Graham's return skills because I don't know anything about them.

You say that Wolfe lacks top end speed and acceleration, but then you contradict yourself saying that he is quick and shifty enough to earn reps on offense... While I agree with you about his top-end speed (after watching him get run down from behind with nothing but green field in front of him against the Saints), he really has the potential to be one of the top backs in the league in terms of acceleration and ability to change direction. His main problem is just locating the running lanes, which will be fixed with reps and time.

But we can agree on one thing though: at this point, A.P.s special teams contributions and also his experience in the backfield earns him the first right to the roster, should we only keep 3 backs. I'm hoping all 4 are still here though by week 1

ry31walsh
07-18-2008, 04:38 PM
I think the Bears keep all 4 RBs on the roster this season. I see likely a special teams LB leaving, McClover and Wilson are two guys that have no upside. They aren't going to play LB unless injuries happen so I do think Chicago carries 4 with AP being viewed as special teams guy who is the 4th stringer and can actually play some if needed.

As far as Wolfe goes time will tell, I still think he can turn into a Jones Drew type RB. If you actually looke at Jones Drews numbers hes not an everydown RB by any means. He averaged around 10 carries a game and 3 catches. I think Wolfe can get around the same and be a productive players. Someone Mentioned David Megget, which I could see. Another guy I would compare him to is Kevin Faulk from NE. When I say Jones Drew I think more along the lines of work load then production. But I do think Wolfe has the potential to be a 1000 yard all purpose RB and a piece of the offense.

Also Wolfe has great speed, he runs a 4.40 which is breakaway speed, I do think his role will be being a big play threat . Maybe he has 5 runs for 5 yards but the 6th run could be 80. Hes never going to be a everydown guy but that doesn't mean he can't be good. One season isn't enough to judge him. Also size wise hes similar to Warrick Dunn whos 5'9 189

cubsbears1225
07-18-2008, 08:23 PM
I dont want him if the bears continue to run him up the middle. Seems like they dont even know how to use the guy

tommer1961
07-19-2008, 12:56 AM
hope he gets one more chance because its been proven smaller scat back as they are called can be serviable i mean there is one int he league the same exact size as wolfe in SD and it Sproles and hes proven to be effective thus far.