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socalpkrbkr
07-14-2008, 02:23 PM
So, Are You a Favre Fan, or a Packer Fan?
July 14, 2008
Written by C. D. Angeli - PackerChatters Staff



As my head has been spinning the past few days, this question has suddenly become one of great importance in the fandom of the Green Bay Packers. For some reason, Packer Nation has divided itself along two party lines: you are either a Packer fan, or a Favre fan.

Now, mind you, the only reason my head has been spinning is because I had a 24-hour stomach flu all day Saturday, which gives you a lot of time in bed to contemplate the true mysteries of life...like Brett Favre, who certainly has made himself more enigmatic as the week has plodded on.

The funny thing about this whole comparison (which isn't a new one for the Favre Critics) is that it implies you either must take the side of Brett Favre or not. What often goes unimplied is that "The Packers" is really Ted Thompson or Aaron Rodgers, for the sake of argument. Since a lot of the recent criticism seems to be Brett vs. Ted, or Brett vs. Aaron, it's ironic how Brett isn't considered a "Packer".

And, of course, its silly. And loud. I like to think that this whole squabble amongst the media and fans in the blogosphere really do mirror the political spectrum. Most people are quiet, thoughtful, and hang around in the middle, looking at all the facts available, acknowledging the positives and negatives that both "sides" have to offer. However, as you follow the fans who have increasingly extreme views, their numbers dwindle, but they get exponentially louder.



For the "Pro-Favre" side, a Pewaukee man has started a website, bringbackbrettfavre.com, promoting Sunday picket lines to Lambeau Field demanding that the Packers bring back Brett Favre. They are offering T-shirts and bumper stickers with "Favre 08" and "Fire Ted Thompson".

The "Pro-Thompsons" and "Pro-Rodgers" folks have a website of their own, retirefavre.com, dedicated to blaming the Giants loss on ol' number 4 and pleading with people to sign their petition to be sent directly to Brett.

As the extremists continue to bellow and rant, it leaves the rational thought to those of us who are willing to not only sift through the facts, but are also willing to see how this plays out before creating our scapegoat.

The Plusses and Minuses of Brett Favre

Certainly, the most easy target of this castigation is Brett, who is looking more and more the patsy as the timelines come out. In short, he retired, began regretting it immediately, communicated it with the coaching staff, who then wanted to reinstate him, only to be told he changed his mind again. Then, with Bus Cook leading the charge, he apparently asked to talk to Ted about playing again, didn't get a reply, then applied for a release. In return, Thompson has refused a release and told Favre that he will have to be a Packer, though not necessarily as a starter.

Many fans have clamored for Favre's return, and their rationale isn't bad, especially when viewed from the perspective of the other 31 teams (particularly those with quarterback issues over the last 17 years). Favre is a first-ballot Hall-of-Famer who recently enjoyed a renaissance last season with a 13-3 team. The Packers have three quarterbacks on the roster who have never started a game, and only one who has ever played in an NFL game. Many fans and writers of other teams are flabbergasted that the Packers would even hesitate to bring Favre back.

However, the retirement flip-flop is enough to raise concern, not only for Thompson, but for even the most fervent of Favre fans. I do believe that Favre is very emotional about this (as was evident in his retirement press conference) and he is a willow-in-the-wind, getting blown whichever way pushes the hardest.

Seems like when Deanna has his ear, he seems more content with retirement. But, when Bus Cook and Al Jones have his ear (both of whom have something to lose with Favre's departure), he can be led to believe that he can/should return, and that perhaps there are some conspiracies in the works against him.

The fact that Brett himself hasn't spoken yet seems to give this a little more credibility. However, this doesn't excuse his lack of commitment to his decisions, and he's given Ted Thompson every right to handle this with the perceived "lack of respect" that he has. How serious is Favre now? Is this just another emotional roller coaster?

Is Favre hurting his own image or legacy? I've commented on this a dozen times...I don't think he gives a rat's arse about his image or legacy as long as he's playing. And, therin lies the conflict.

Are the Packers a better team with Favre? That's a great question, and a lot of it depends on Aaron Rodgers. If he is as good as McCarthy and Thompson are touting him, then maybe its a good move to go forward without an indecisive old veteran who is going to want his contracted salary.

But, like it or not, Brian Griese, Steve Bono, Jeff Garcia, Quincy Carter, and Jay Fiedler didn't bring any more promise than the guy they replaced, and with the perceived feeling that the Packers are on the cusp of a Super Bowl, Favre brings more instant credibility to such a drive.

But, Favre had his option to be a part of such a drive without all this drama. In fact, he had it twice. So, the problems that he is dealing with now, both in terms of dealing with his contract status and public dissent are his own fault, and it will be up to him to handle it delicately if he truly does wish to play football in 2008.

And, he may want to get a new agent.

The Plusses and Minuses of Ted Thompson

Or, is that "The Packers"? I don't think that I can recall another Packer GM who has come in and been defined as "The Packers". Certainly, I don't think Mike Sherman was. I don't know if Ron Wolf even had that kind of distinction. But, Ted Thompson, somehow, has gotten such a groundswell of support that when it comes to Brett Favre, Ted and his plan for rebuilding the team has become "The Packers".

I don't know how comfortable I am with that. But I digress.

Thompson has been the stoic, Teflon general manager since the day he walked on the job. When fans have decried his quirky drafts, his lack of free agent moves, and his tendency to leave entire squads with barely any experience among them, he has generally ignored it and kept on.

Certainly, I find some respect with that. If you're going to have a plan, stick with it, and live or die with it. Holmgren had that same plan with Brett Favre early in their careers, and true dat, Holmgren lived or died on the decision to stick with him through thick or thin.

Thompson was given a retirement notice in early March, well in time before the draft, and according to reports, tried to encourage Favre to stay. When Favre started to reconsider, Thompson appeared to be open to allowing him to return, but then accepted Favre's flip-flop again.

Thompson has been vocal, along with Mike McCarthy, in his support for the new starter, Aaron Rodgers. After two rebuffs from Favre, he's moved ahead and tried to get this team ready for the next phase.

But, has he? Yes, he took two quarterbacks in the last draft, but one was much like Rodgers, in that he was great value that fell out of the first round and into Thompson's lap. Given Thompson's draft history, that might have been a likely pick whether Favre had retired or not. The Packers again eschewed any major moves in free agency, again passing on Randy Moss, and have left $32,000,000 in salary cap space yet to be used.

It almost looks like Thompson was still keeping space for Favre. Was he?

Thompson is being made out to look like a helpless, hand-wringing putz who has been placed into a "no-win situation" by Favre. I find this insulting to Ted Thompson. It is his job to prepare for all contingencies, and as the 2007 NFL General Manager of the Year, you would expect him to be better prepared than the average general manager.

To presume that Ted Thompson is a victim is a pretty treacherous cut by those who are actually looking to defend him. He's not paid that much money to be a victim, he is paid that much money to handle these situations well. Yes, Favre has given him a difficult hand, but not an impossible hand.

While many celebrated Thompson's refusal to respond to Favre's use of text messages while Thompson was on vacation, one has to think that had he picked up the phone, called Favre, and told him "You have my number, quit texting me. You have my ear, talk to me," much of the subsequent drama might have been avoided. Certainly, Bus Cook wouldn't have been able to say, "Look, Brett! I told you he's out to get you!"

The old saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me", and after offering Favre a chance to come out of retirement once, you would think that was strike two. But, that's not the way it works, because at any time Favre changes his mind and follows through, Thompson is stuck with that contract and must accept him on the team or get rid of him.

While I understand the indignation many are feeling about Favre's flippity-floppiness, that's for us to stew about, not Ted. His job is to solve it. His statements on Saturday caused a little bit of concern, in which he implied that Favre would not be traded or released, that he is a Green Bay Packer, and that he would not necessarily be the starter.

A good hard line, but Thompson followed it up with his own tentativeness.

twelvePack
07-14-2008, 03:11 PM
Well Socal, I think the fans are divided into two groups. You have the knowledgeable fans who know what the Packers are all about, and follow this team closely and know that some major bull**** is going on right now. Then you have the fan who flips the game on occasionly, and is piping off without looking at the facts. I would bet that 80% of these fans couldn't name more then five guys on the Packers roster.

On the poll, I think there only needs to be two options, because Brett Favre is best for the team.

chitown712
07-14-2008, 03:28 PM
I side with Thompson on this issue because Favre is finally getting what he asked for. He couldnt make a commitment to the team so they moved on without him. Now he wants to come back to a team that has moved with A-Rod at the helm. He has made his own bed, now he has to lie in it.

Its hard for me to say that bcuz Favre has been the only starting QB on the Packers that I have known in my lifetime, but its time for the franchise to move on, and he needs to move on too

Brunner
07-14-2008, 03:44 PM
Everyone acts like Favre is some old bull that got put out to pasture. If he plays he is still one of the top 5 QB's in the league people!

hughest4
07-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Well obviously i am a Packers fan and a Favre fan. I think it really depends on which way you are looking at things. If you are more concerned about winning a Super Bowl now then bringing back Favre is the obvious answer. If you want to build for the future then A-Rod is the better option

iam brett favre
07-14-2008, 04:33 PM
I'm a Packers fan... obvouisly a Favre fan too.

Ryan Diesel
07-14-2008, 04:53 PM
ha ha 1 vote for Thompson. I see Jericson must have made his presence known.

Rtardz
07-14-2008, 05:11 PM
but did Favre get pushed out as he says he feels like, or reports say. Look either way I think he is on the team or retired. He is under contract for next couple years, TT has the money to keep him on the team. So as far as him getting traded or released I don`t see it happening. I`m all for him coming back, this is a win now league and he gives us the best chance. And to make it fair have a comp. between him and A-Rod which Favre will win. A-Rod should expect to have to earn his position. He was given it by Favre retiring. Nobody else was there to challenge him, what two rookies who haven`t even stepped on an NFL field yet? A-Rod should have to earn it and to earn it you gotta beat the man.

otownpack
07-14-2008, 10:59 PM
did anyone else watch brett's interview because i did and i got sick to my stomach, seems to me that the pack kinda used the situation to push him out the door. this is a bs, i understand what they mean by the want to build for the future if he walks out the door but its not like ted is breaking the back or really doing anything to make it easy for arod to come in and win so screw that idea. ted wants to be known as the guy who built a power house but instead he's screwing over everyones boy, and for all you no one player is bigger than the org, that maybe ture but at some point you have to look at the guys who got you there and let them leave when they want to and do anything you can for them he didnt walk away he was giving only one door and he took it. this is wrong on so many level and you all know it

robdizzle3
07-15-2008, 12:11 AM
I have been weighing on this for a while and I finally see where I am going on this one I choose what is really better for the team but mostly on Favre's side.Its not like if w dont make it to the super bowl without Brett this year it will set the team back three years because in actuality we wont be setback at all with the team we have.We can still mend some fences with Favre to bring him back just like most of the top QB's in the game said on Sportscenter they would love to see Favre back because Favre is Favre and that is enough for me

packerfan4life
07-15-2008, 01:23 AM
I myself am divided and keep alternating what I want to see happen for the Packers, which is why myself voted 'what's best for the Packers'. Part of me wants to see Brett come back because me being 19, he is pretty much the only QB I have seen play for the Packers besides back-ups in rare situations. I also feel like he was forced to make the decision to retire. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers has patiently waited 3 years and might be a great QB, and deserves a shot. I pretty much alternate between these two things and it's driving me INSANE. :confused:

wissportsfan
07-15-2008, 02:37 AM
As I have said before the Packers have moved on. If Favre would have said something before FA/draft even before workouts things would be different. Things have changed and the Packers are going full head asteam. It would be to hard to change gears with putting Favre back at QB.

If some of you get the Journal Sentianal, I think you should read the article, I believe it was in Sunday's paper. TT kept a timeline of what had happened with Favre after the last game. Some of you might get a different perspective.

twelvePack
07-15-2008, 02:49 AM
As I have said before the Packers have moved on. If Favre would have said something before FA/draft even before workouts things would be different. Things have changed and the Packers are going full head asteam. It would be to hard to change gears with putting Favre back at QB.

If some of you get the Journal Sentianal, I think you should read the article, I believe it was in Sunday's paper. TT kept a timeline of what had happened with Favre after the last game. Some of you might get a different perspective.

Maybe you should have watched the interview. Maybe you should read more then one article too. Better yet, maybe you should read between the lines. I can't even believe you would come in here saying this ****. Seriously, did you watch the interview?????

Ryan Diesel
07-15-2008, 03:16 AM
TT has been all about dividing the fans since the day he got here. I think he revels in that bad guy role. Like he's Triple H or something. He loves the boo's and spits in the crowd. Pisses everyone off then still manages to win somehow. He's not afraid to be the most hated man in Wisconsin, I actually think thats what he wants.

XJW18
07-15-2008, 04:40 AM
I myself am divided and keep alternating what I want to see happen for the Packers, which is why myself voted 'what's best for the Packers'. Part of me wants to see Brett come back because me being 19, he is pretty much the only QB I have seen play for the Packers besides back-ups in rare situations. I also feel like he was forced to make the decision to retire. On the other hand, Aaron Rodgers has patiently waited 3 years and might be a great QB, and deserves a shot. I pretty much alternate between these two things and it's driving me INSANE. :confused:

im also 19
i pretty much agree with everything u said.

mr. burns
07-15-2008, 05:45 AM
why do we have to choose whose fault this is. It is nobody's fault. The packers rightfully want to build a team around a quaterback that they know will be around, and they don't want to be unfair to rogers who has been very classy through all this. Favre rightfully would like to play football without being pushed in to a decision five months before the season starts. The packers will move ahead with rogers and favre will move ahead with some other team. If I had to choose. I'm clearly a packer fan first, but I don't see why we can't enjoy watching favre's career in its last years.