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TmacYao2
07-14-2008, 09:25 AM
I say Utley

viktor06
07-14-2008, 10:15 AM
Not a fair comparison at all, both have their importance. Why dont you compare something like Utley vs. Uggla vs. Kinsler and Hanley vs. Jose vs. Rollins

marlinsfan24
07-14-2008, 10:15 AM
yeah, i cannot pick between a 2b and SS who have 2 completely different roles.

PhillyLuver
07-14-2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah I don't really think it's fair, Utley pwns him.

Tragedy
07-14-2008, 11:48 AM
I would take Utley.

I dislike Reyes.

blujaysrock
07-14-2008, 12:09 PM
Utley, but depends on what type of player you need.

theLgndKllr35
07-14-2008, 12:44 PM
Utley, no doubt.

SJ5382
07-14-2008, 12:49 PM
Compare a leadoff man to a cleanup hitter. That makes sense.

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 02:56 PM
Yeah I don't really think it's fair, Utley pwns him.

Utley is better but the numbers aren't that far off. Reyes ia leadoff hitter though so the comparison sux.

Driven
07-14-2008, 02:56 PM
Utley's the better player by far.

Driven
07-14-2008, 02:57 PM
Utley is better but the numbers aren't that far off. Reyes ia leadoff hitter though so the comparison sux.
Utley would be a better leadoff hitter than Reyes anyways. I don't see how this comparison sucks. The only reason it's bad is because Utley is the superior player by far.

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 03:03 PM
Utley would be a better leadoff hitter than Reyes anyways. I don't see how this comparison sucks. The only reason it's bad is because Utley is the superior player by far.

Utley is a run producer, Reyes makes things starting. Reyes is a SS, Utley is a 2B. Reyes is 25 and developing, Utley is at his career high now.
Fair comparison indeed.

Wanna show me Utley's numbers when he was 25?

Oh I'll add that Utley plays in a baseball heaven for hitters especially LH and Reyes doesn't.

Driven
07-14-2008, 03:31 PM
Utley is a run producer, Reyes makes things starting.

If you put Utley in Reyes' spot, Utley would produce more than Jose. Utley would be a better leadoff hitter without question.


Reyes is a SS, Utley is a 2B.

So what? Comparing players at different positions is fine, as long as you factor that in.


Reyes is 25 and developing, Utley is at his career high now.

Utley has about 2500 MLB at bats and 1648 minor league at bats, so about 4148 AB total.

Reyes has about 2900 MLB at bats and 1303 minor league at bats, so about 4203 total.

Reyes was added by the Mets in 1999, Utley was drafted in 2000.

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 03:37 PM
If you put Utley in Reyes' spot, Utley would produce more than Jose. Utley would be a better leadoff hitter without question.



So what? Comparing players at different positions is fine, as long as you factor that in.



Utley has about 2500 MLB at bats and 1648 minor league at bats, so about 4148 AB total.

Reyes has about 2900 MLB at bats and 1303 minor league at bats, so about 4203 total.

Reyes was added by the Mets in 1999, Utley was drafted in 2000.

Reyes is more a get on base, steal a base and score on SF/groundball kinda hitter. Just different than Utley who is a RBI guy like Pujols or A-Rod.

That's like comparing Pujols to Ichiro IMO.

sixers247
07-14-2008, 04:05 PM
Utley hands down. He could give you what you need and produce at any spot in the lineup.

Gigantes4Life
07-14-2008, 04:58 PM
Reyes: 40.2 VORP, 103 Rate2 at SS

Chase Utley: 41.5 VORP, 112 Rate2 at 2B

Sick Of It All
07-14-2008, 06:43 PM
RC

Utley 69
Reyes 69

Kenny
07-14-2008, 07:07 PM
My gosh, why do you compare these two when they are different players, put Reyes in that ball park where he already has 8 lifetime homeruns there. Utley has 17 homers at home of his 25. He would still be a good average guy but he wouldnt be hitting the amount of homeruns if he played half his games at shea.

It's funny how now people dont want to compare Reyes to Rollins and feel the need to make it Utley to Reyes.

Brooke
07-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Utley no question

Sick Of It All
07-14-2008, 07:55 PM
My gosh, why do you compare these two when they are different players, put Reyes in that ball park where he already has 8 lifetime homeruns there. Utley has 17 homers at home of his 25. He would still be a good average guy but he wouldnt be hitting the amount of homeruns if he played half his games at shea.

It's funny how now people dont want to compare Reyes to Rollins and feel the need to make it Utley to Reyes.


LOL

...so true.

Degz
07-14-2008, 09:03 PM
My gosh, why do you compare these two when they are different players, put Reyes in that ball park where he already has 8 lifetime homeruns there. Utley has 17 homers at home of his 25. He would still be a good average guy but he wouldnt be hitting the amount of homeruns if he played half his games at shea.

It's funny how now people dont want to compare Reyes to Rollins and feel the need to make it Utley to Reyes.

The guy who made the thread isnt a Philly fan. Make one for Reyes and Rollins if you want. Rollins has been disappointing this year, while Reyes is putting together a solid year.

But since the thread is Utley vs. Reyes... I'll take utley.

sanfranfan1210
07-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Utley

quiksilver2491
07-15-2008, 02:45 PM
My gosh, why do you compare these two when they are different players, put Reyes in that ball park where he already has 8 lifetime homeruns there. Utley has 17 homers at home of his 25. He would still be a good average guy but he wouldnt be hitting the amount of homeruns if he played half his games at shea.

It's funny how now people dont want to compare Reyes to Rollins and feel the need to make it Utley to Reyes.

:rolleyes:

Why must we continue to bring ballparks in the discussion in todays age when we have stats that are BALLPARK ADJUSTED. Keep making excuses, it doesn't change the fact that Utley is the better player, bad comparison or not.

Kenny
07-15-2008, 03:09 PM
:rolleyes:

Why must we continue to bring ballparks in the discussion in todays age when we have stats that are BALLPARK ADJUSTED. Keep making excuses, it doesn't change the fact that Utley is the better player, bad comparison or not.

Because that ball park is a joke, you know it's bad when Howard can hit a pop up to left field and instantly now it's a homerun.

friarfan07
07-15-2008, 03:59 PM
they're both awesome, but i gave the edge to reyes because excellent shortstops are harder to come by than excellent second basemen.

Driven
07-15-2008, 04:25 PM
Because that ball park is a joke, you know it's bad when Howard can hit a pop up to left field and instantly now it's a homerun.
But his point was that the stats are ballpark adjusted.

And another thing is that a HR park has a lot of negatives as well. You look at Oriole Park, which has that 364 to left center, and I would say it's slightly a pitcher's park as well.

You look at Utley's stats this year, and while he has 17 HRs at home and 9 on the road, he only has 1 less extra base hit on the road. He had 3 more extra base hits on the road last year, as well.

HighVelocity
07-15-2008, 05:21 PM
I have to give it to Utley. He has had three straight 100+ RBI seasons, and is on his way to a fourth.

blujaysrock
07-15-2008, 05:35 PM
I have to give it to Utley. He has had three straight 100+ RBI seasons, and is on his way to a fourth.

ya i'm with you on that.

SportsFan1988
07-15-2008, 05:52 PM
Two completely different types of players, so it's hard to compare, really... but I'd rather have Reyes. He's younger, more athletic, faster, and a better fielder. Plus, my Cards could use a fast guy like him. I can definitely see a team like the D-backs, Dodgers going for Utley though....it really just depends on your teams needs.

ShinobiNYC
07-15-2008, 06:24 PM
Reyes could have 80 RBIs.....from the leadoff spot! It rarely happens especially in the NL where Reyes hits behind a pitcher.