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redbird89
07-13-2008, 10:56 PM
What pitchers that you've seen qualify as hard luck pitchers?

Like the ones who give up a couple hits and lose, who never get any run support, etc.

Anthony Reyes pitched a 1-hitter in 2006 against the White Sox. It was a HR and they lost 1-0. It seems like every year the Cardinals have a pitcher they just don't score any runs for.

Who are some of these pitchers you can think of?

chinese_man_77
07-13-2008, 11:01 PM
Johan santana. 8-7 2.84 era.
the mets are 1-6 in his last 7 starts while he had a era of 2.40 during those starts

belliard is god
07-13-2008, 11:01 PM
this year, santana

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Definitely Santana. His run support/game the last 9 games is 2!

chicagofan71
07-13-2008, 11:15 PM
For the Cubs last year it was Rich Hill. He only went 6-6 because we couldn't score any runs for him

sacgiants1213
07-13-2008, 11:18 PM
last year for giants it was cain

Tragedy
07-13-2008, 11:20 PM
last year for giants it was cain
He was like 8 games UNDER .500, yet he had a solid season. Terrible offense/bullpen can do that. :pity:

Brendan
07-13-2008, 11:25 PM
JEREMY GUTHRIE!!! His ERA is around 3.00. His record was like 3-7 with a 2.70 ERA. That is the definition of horrible run support. He held a team to 1 run on 3 hits and couldnt get the win earlier this year, pitched 8 innings. I feel bad for him :(

dcannon456
07-13-2008, 11:27 PM
JEREMY GUTHRIE!!! His ERA is around 3.00. His record was like 3-7 with a 2.70 ERA. That is the definition of horrible run support. He held a team to 1 run on 3 hits and couldnt get the win earlier this year, pitched 8 innings. I feel bad for him :(



now imagine that same scenario, only the player is under the ridiculous NYC media! you must be heartbroken for santana lol

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
07-13-2008, 11:29 PM
This year has been Santana put the past 2 years Michael Pelfrey had bad luck in almost every start.

dbow2019
07-13-2008, 11:35 PM
santana, hamels, and guthrie

Zaunnie
07-13-2008, 11:38 PM
harry leroy halladay. unless he pitches a complete game shutout every game the jays manage to not give him any run support

ChiSox592
07-13-2008, 11:40 PM
John Danks: 7-4...2.67 ERA

cuttygiantsfan
07-13-2008, 11:46 PM
i think cain had two 1-hit losses last year

cuttygiantsfan
07-13-2008, 11:47 PM
or 1 loss and 1 no decision

giantspwn
07-13-2008, 11:47 PM
Lincecum would be 15-1 and have the CY-young award in hand if he played for another team. The Giants are 26-49 when somebody else starts and Timmy still finds ways to make this team win whether it's with his bat or throwing a shutout..

phillyphan4ever
07-13-2008, 11:47 PM
cole hamels

koldjerky
07-13-2008, 11:50 PM
Adam Eaton - he was trying so hard for 10 losses before the break and an ERA over 6, but just missed out... Talk about hard luck.

One Nut Kruk
07-14-2008, 12:03 AM
In Justin Verlander's 9 losses, the Tigers have scored a total of 9 runs.

bayareafan650
07-14-2008, 05:57 AM
Matt Cain

Poncho_707
07-14-2008, 05:59 AM
omg this is the matt cain thread lol

he gets cained

C-ross12
07-14-2008, 06:29 AM
IIRC wasnt Harangs run support really bad too? I could be wrong but I thought I saw that.

torontosports10
07-14-2008, 08:11 AM
Doc and Marcum for the Jays without a doubt

The Schmooze
07-14-2008, 08:22 AM
uh have you guys forgot about Johan Santana?????

johnnylee722
07-14-2008, 08:26 AM
Johan. 2.84 ERA with 7 loses?

torontocubs
07-14-2008, 08:46 AM
In Justin Verlander's 9 losses, the Tigers have scored a total of 9 runs.

That is awful. Absolutely terrible. Nothing like a run a game in support. He has pitched poorly the first half of the year, but run support like that is stellar for your confidence on the mound. Give up one run and no your guaranteed to lose your start.

rriders9
07-14-2008, 10:24 AM
If Santana got some runs and was able to get those wins, he would be in the Cy Young discussion

The Schmooze
07-14-2008, 10:27 AM
Adam Eaton - he was trying so hard for 10 losses before the break and an ERA over 6, but just missed out... Talk about hard luck.

:laugh:

PhillyLuver
07-14-2008, 10:30 AM
Maddux/Santana

GrinderBall41
07-14-2008, 10:47 AM
John Danks deserves a mention.

Of the top 20 WHIP in baseball, he has the lowest Run Support.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?split=0&league=mlb&season=2008&seasonType=2&sort=WHIP&type=pitch3&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all&startDate=null&endDate=null

Marcum has some tough luck too, though. I would go with Marcum.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 11:00 AM
Eh homerish but how about Ryan Dempster? Outside of one bad start (which included some debacles in LF from our AAA 2b) he has a 2.11 ERA on the road in 7 starts with 0 wins. As opposed to being 10-1 in 12 starts at home with a 2.81 ERA? Hell if he had gotten just a couple of runs in those road starts he'd have a lot more W's. I know Wins is a stupid way to judge a pitcher and that the cubs had late game rallys to win a lot of those games but could we get him one win on the road?

Ph1lly Diehard
07-14-2008, 11:09 AM
Cole Hamels and Johan Santana

JDIsMyGod23
07-14-2008, 11:36 AM
I remember when Kevin Brown lead the league in ERA on the Marlins and don't even think he got 15 wins and might of even had a losing record. It's a 2 year story on how Danks gets screwed.

sboyajian
07-14-2008, 11:51 AM
I always feel bad for John Lannan of the Nationals..

he's got a 5-9 Record (and 4 no decisions) .. yet he's got a 3.40 ERA and 12 games where he has let up 2 or less ER's... (only 4 out of his 18 games started has he let up 4 or more runs).

FriarFanatic
07-14-2008, 11:57 AM
homer picks but peavy and maddux

Tragedy
07-14-2008, 12:00 PM
homer picks but peavy and maddux
Peavy is a good one. Just about as bad as the Johan Santana record.

North Yorker
07-14-2008, 12:17 PM
Halladay- has pitched two 1-0 CG losses, plus it was either earlier this year or last year where he had to pitch 10 innings in one game in order to get a W after giving up only 1 run.

ThisIsTheYear
07-14-2008, 12:32 PM
Santana. 7 starts where he gave up 2 ER or less and didn't get a win.