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CarniifeX
07-13-2008, 09:53 PM
Which of these players is better OVERALL!?

CarniifeX
07-13-2008, 09:54 PM
Can a mod add a poll please I forgot.

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 10:22 PM
Mauer, for reasons I've beaten to death.

HighVelocity
07-13-2008, 10:29 PM
Joe Mauer is clearly a better overall player than Russell Martin. He is better offensively and MUCH better defensively. Mauer also has a batting title on his resume.

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 10:30 PM
HP!

:)

Remember who your agent is....!

Humongo
07-13-2008, 10:39 PM
Mauer, pretty easily IMO.

Offensively, Mauer's clearly the better player. He's younger than Martin and at the same time has 642 more PA than Martin. Better OBP, better SLG, (for what it's worth) he even has a better BA than Martin. Mauer has better base running abilities as well. Mauer doesn't steal quite as many bases as Martin (41 to 28), but he's more efficient when he does so (83% success rate vs. 70%). If you want to adjust the stats to knock out all the ball park and league factors, than Mauer's OPS+ blows Martin out of the water.

Defensively, both have a career 'rate2' of 107, with Mauer's being in a larger sample size. As far as base runners go, Mauer's thrown out 41% of his would-be base stealers. Martin counters that with a not so gaudy 30%. You have to believe that Mauer is a better defender than Martin behind the plate. Pretty simple really.

Honestly, Mauer is a better overall player in basically every facet of the game. The only argument you can kinda make is base running (even though Martin isn't an efficient base stealer), and that's just if you ignore the CS (which would be foolish). Mauer's got this comp. bagged up.

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 10:42 PM
I love you, you know^

Humongo
07-13-2008, 10:45 PM
:love:

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 10:45 PM
Close this mofo. Srsly.

Twitchy
07-13-2008, 10:47 PM
That 140 OPS+ from Mauer looks just a tiny bit better than the 118 from Martin.

Martin's good. But Mauer's the gold standard for catcher. There really isn't anybody who can legitimately claim to be better than Mauer right now.

A better comp would be McCann vs Mauer. But I'd still bet on Mauer.

belliard is god
07-13-2008, 10:50 PM
mauer

Tragedy
07-13-2008, 11:31 PM
Russe................Mauer. Just Joe.

PhillyUD26
07-14-2008, 12:39 AM
Mauer...easily

PhillyUD26
07-14-2008, 12:40 AM
****...double post

Just means that Mauer is THAT much better than Martin.

sanfranfan1210
07-14-2008, 10:40 PM
Mauer

quiksilver2491
07-15-2008, 02:35 PM
Its Mauer, im not sure why everyone seems to hate the guy in favor of Martin but give him his due, the only catcher comparable to him would be Brian McCann.

SportsFan1988
07-15-2008, 05:49 PM
Joe Maur. But I wouldn't say by a long shot...Martin's getting better and better, and is arguably the best defensive catcher in the league.

brandonwarne52
08-10-2008, 08:10 PM
Bump, because I'm a dick like that.

PhillyUD26
08-10-2008, 09:49 PM
Bump, because I'm a dick like that.

:laugh:

badkins1121
08-10-2008, 10:53 PM
Yeah McCann Vs. Mauer would be a good one. But it would probably still be Mauer

brandonwarne52
09-24-2008, 12:11 AM
Martin now has a 99 OPS+
Mauer now has a 136 OPS+.

I. Told. You. So.

bigmac8675
09-24-2008, 12:36 AM
Mauer definitely.

dodgers07champs
09-24-2008, 04:44 PM
Not really close..I love Martin, and would love to spin it in his favor, but it isn't even close. Mauer is the best catcher in all of baseball..Martin is still at the top, but nobody touches Mauer.

Pujolsfan91
09-24-2008, 07:34 PM
Mauer not doubt about it.

BigEric
09-26-2008, 02:52 AM
Oh no doubt it's Mauer.

PhillyUD26
09-26-2008, 03:07 AM
Not really close..I love Martin, and would love to spin it in his favor, but it isn't even close. Mauer is the best catcher in all of baseball..Martin is still at the top, but nobody touches Mauer.

McCann?

JAYZFAN9
09-28-2008, 10:26 PM
Mauer all day

Tragedy
09-28-2008, 10:37 PM
Russe................Mauer. Just Joe.
:clap:

I came into this thread hoping that I didn't make some silly point that Martin should win this.

quiksilver2491
09-28-2008, 10:41 PM
:clap:

I came into this thread hoping that I didn't make some silly point that Martin should win this.

:laugh:

brandonwarne52
09-28-2008, 10:54 PM
:clap:

I came into this thread hoping that I didn't make some silly point that Martin should win this.

Do your balls hurt? If they had, it's possible you would have picked Martin here.:p

cwilson21
09-29-2008, 12:41 AM
Mauer




Martin.

WSU Tony
09-29-2008, 10:20 AM
Joe Mauer is clearly a better overall player than Russell Martin. He is better offensively and MUCH better defensively. Mauer also has a batting title on his resume.

Two :)

ryanph30
09-29-2008, 01:03 PM
Mauer FTW. He has won 2 batting titles already and is one of the best defensively.

ryanph30
09-29-2008, 01:06 PM
How does Martin have 13 votes?

brandonwarne52
09-29-2008, 01:11 PM
He has a big family. Also, when the thread started it was a lot closer.

ryanph30
09-29-2008, 01:41 PM
He has a big family. Also, when the thread started it was a lot closer.

:laugh:

Gigantes4Life
09-29-2008, 03:07 PM
McCann?

Mauer>McCann? :nod:

ryanph30
09-29-2008, 04:07 PM
Mauer>all :nod:

Mets4Life101
09-29-2008, 06:50 PM
joe mauer

yaowowrocket11
09-29-2008, 06:51 PM
Mauer is easily the better overall catcher.

BigEric
09-30-2008, 05:11 PM
Mauer won this years batting title again, the kids amazing. Russell is a very good catcher, but not on Mauer's level.

Bleedinblueball
09-30-2008, 05:49 PM
y abut let me throw this out there the twins have a 4.19 era and the dodgers 3.68 era hmmm who catches a better game and handles the pitchers better?

quiksilver2491
09-30-2008, 06:23 PM
y abut let me throw this out there the twins have a 4.19 era and the dodgers 3.68 era hmmm who catches a better game and handles the pitchers better?

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have heard in a while.

xander
09-30-2008, 06:28 PM
Maur>McCan>Martin (the three M's)

But still, those are the top 3 catchers in baseball

AirJordanXVIII
09-30-2008, 09:02 PM
Easily Mauer. I liked Martin alot prior to this season, but he's done okay this season... Wanted him to show more power..

I'll take Mauer's amazing hitting skills.

bartoron
09-30-2008, 10:00 PM
Joe Mauer is a beast.

brandonwarne52
10-01-2008, 01:08 AM
y abut let me throw this out there the twins have a 4.19 era and the dodgers 3.68 era hmmm who catches a better game and handles the pitchers better?

Heh.

G2BOAT
10-01-2008, 01:18 AM
I'll take the one going to the playoffs.

cwilson21
10-01-2008, 01:22 AM
... From the saddest division in baseball.

G2BOAT
10-01-2008, 01:31 AM
... From the saddest division in baseball.

Don't matter what division were playing in. We still had to win our games in order to get in the playoffs.

Tragedy
10-01-2008, 01:51 AM
Don't matter what division were playing in. We still had to win our games in order to get in the playoffs.
So what does that have to do with who the better Catcher is?

I guses that means Berroa > Jeter?

..No. Mauer > Martin.

N.Z's #1 Dodger
10-01-2008, 03:02 AM
Mauer easily. Russ has been really douchey this year.

ryanph30
10-01-2008, 03:33 AM
So what does that have to do with who the better Catcher is?

I guses that means Berroa > Jeter?

..No. Mauer > Martin.

Thank you.

dodgers07champs
10-01-2008, 07:32 AM
So what does that have to do with who the better Catcher is?

I guses that means Berroa > Jeter?

..No. Mauer > Martin.

Berroa is 20x the player Jeter is, sorry to break that to you. Angel Berroa plays way better defense, is more clutch with the bat, and can hit for power, and steal bases. Berroa>>>>>Jeter.

Twitchy
10-01-2008, 09:18 AM
y abut let me throw this out there the twins have a 4.19 era and the dodgers 3.68 era hmmm who catches a better game and handles the pitchers better?

If anything, that hurts your case.

When Martin`s catching, his catchers ERA is 0.05 less than the team ERA.
When Mauer`s catching, his catchers ERA is 0.10 less than the team ERA.

So despite the fact LA D has better pitching, Mauer has done a better job of calling a game because the difference between his CERA and team ERA is better than the difference between Martin`s CERA and team ERA. In simple terms, Mauer has had a bigger impact on the pitching staff, and calls a better game (or in your words, "catches a better game and handles the pitchers better".

And Mauer should win the damn MVP this year.

Tragedy
10-01-2008, 11:27 AM
Berroa is 20x the player Jeter is, sorry to break that to you. Angel Berroa plays way better defense, is more clutch with the bat, and can hit for power, and steal bases. Berroa>>>>>Jeter.
:laugh2:

brandonwarne52
10-01-2008, 12:27 PM
I'll take the one going to the playoffs.

Danny Ardoin or Gary Bennett?

SidTheKid
10-01-2008, 02:51 PM
I'd take Mauer over any catcher in the majors.

dodgers07champs
10-01-2008, 03:39 PM
:laugh2:

I am wondering when someone bites on that statement and thinks I was being serious. Berroa 20x better than Jeter? Ha..more like 10x better.

Humongo
10-01-2008, 07:58 PM
I'll take the one going to the playoffs.

lol, I remember you being the guy who uses some weird made up stat, plagiarizes work, and pretends to be Mike Fast.

Humongo
10-01-2008, 08:01 PM
Don't matter what division were playing in. We still had to win our games in order to get in the playoffs.

The Twins won 88 games, and the Dodgers won 84.

The Twins are pretty clearly the better team.

... and this has what to do with Mauer's absolute dominance (in every aspect of the game) of Martin?

ugafan
10-01-2008, 10:59 PM
A better example would be Casey Blake>A-Rod because Blake is in the playoffs.

Some people on here piss me the **** off with their stupidity.