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Kenny
07-13-2008, 04:55 PM
How the heck does a set up man with over a 4 ERA make the all star team. So the cubs didnt have enough all stars they needed anohter??

Gotta love the fans voting in Fukudome with his .280 average and 7 homers 36 RBI.

tomno00
07-13-2008, 04:56 PM
not only that, but the SF pitcher that has era over 4 too.. this rockies manager seems kind of stupid

Bubba17
07-13-2008, 05:03 PM
yeah i find this pretty ridiculous

JHG722
07-13-2008, 05:03 PM
Because everyone is out to snub the Phillies :shrug:

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:06 PM
How the heck does a set up man with over a 4 ERA make the all star team. So the cubs didnt have enough all stars they needed anohter??

I'd tell you why Marmol was picked, but you don't care. You just want to ***** about some dude from your team not making it.

PhillyLuver
07-13-2008, 05:07 PM
I want to hear why

Kenny
07-13-2008, 05:07 PM
I'd tell you why Marmol was picked, but you don't care. You just want to ***** about some dude from your team not making it.

Entertain me, why did he make it because he has good "stuff" and strikes guys out?

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:09 PM
I want to hear why

Ok.


Wood will not play in the 2008 All-Star Game but will attend the festivities. Marmol (2-3, 4.13 ERA, 3 Sv, 52.1 IP, 29 H, 70 SO) was selected because he was the relief pitcher who received the next highest vote total on the Player Ballot.

So if you want someone to blame for Marmol making it, blame the guys on your own teams.

MaZin420
07-13-2008, 05:10 PM
Ridiculous

Kenny
07-13-2008, 05:11 PM
Ok.



So if you want someone to blame for Marmol making it, blame the guys on your own teams.

Are these the same idiots who voted Tejada in over Jose Reyes?

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:12 PM
Sorry one of your players didn't make it to a game..

No reason to ***** on and on about it.. Because that is what this thread is. You want one of your players to take his place.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:14 PM
Are these the same idiots who voted Tejada in over Jose Reyes?

You still crying?

Kenny
07-13-2008, 05:15 PM
You still crying?

YES

cubsfan2206
07-13-2008, 05:15 PM
Marmol made it cuz he had the most votes from the players of any NL pitcher not to make the team. He was the next guy in line.

I am just as pissed about this and anyone here. I dont think Marmol deserves to be on the team I really wish he could have the 4 days off cuz he needs it bad.

-Lavigne43-
07-13-2008, 05:16 PM
The players also voted in Varitek.

CardzRule
07-13-2008, 05:17 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:18 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

There aren't enough laughing smileys on the whole internet to properly convey how funny that sentence is.

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:18 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

:laugh2:

Good God.

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:19 PM
Not saying Marmol deserved it but, he has the most holds in the NL (and baseball?), a very good WHIP, and the most K's among RP's.

lincecum=future
07-13-2008, 05:19 PM
He didn't have an ERA over 4 until yesterday....

lincecum=future
07-13-2008, 05:21 PM
There aren't enough laughing smileys on the whole internet to properly convey how funny that sentence is.

Actually Lohse is having an outstanding year.

-Lavigne43-
07-13-2008, 05:21 PM
Why couldn't Clint Hurdle just pick the best available pitcher, like Cole Hamels.

rriders9
07-13-2008, 05:22 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

:pity:

MauryPovich
07-13-2008, 05:22 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

:o

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:22 PM
He didn't have an ERA over 4 until yesterday....

It was around 3.40-3.45 if I remember right.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:23 PM
Actually Lohse is having an outstanding year.

He's having a very lucky year. Possibly a career year.

Doesn't mean he's a better pitcher.

JHG722
07-13-2008, 05:24 PM
Why couldn't Clint Hurdle just pick the best available pitcher, like Cole Hamels.

I'm wondering the same thing :shrug:

MauryPovich
07-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Chad Durbin/Romero-Phils- guys with ERA's in the 1's, Im starting to hate Clint Hurdle. More.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:26 PM
Why couldn't Clint Hurdle just pick the best available pitcher, like Cole Hamels.

There's already 8 starters on the NL roster, and it makes sense to replace an RP with an RP.

bartoron
07-13-2008, 05:29 PM
not only that, but the SF pitcher that has era over 4 too.. this rockies manager seems kind of stupid

At least he has a ton of saves.

Marmol, on the other hand, shouldn't really be on the team. It would be better to put someone who deserves it on, like Cole Hamels.

EDIT: Heh, I guess now that I think about it Marmol isn't such a bad choice. Sure his ERA isn't great, but his BAA is .161, and he does give up very few hits.

Joe505
07-13-2008, 05:32 PM
Wilson Made it becuase he leads the leauge in saves. Plus he's lights out in SAVE situations.

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:32 PM
not only that, but the SF pitcher that has era over 4 too.. this rockies manager seems kind of stupid

The players voted for Marmol.. Hurdle didn't pick him.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:35 PM
The players voted for Marmol.. Hurdle didn't pick him.

Blind rage > Logic.

johnnylee722
07-13-2008, 05:42 PM
there is a lot of better options out there.

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:42 PM
Blind rage > Logic.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qCBYA50miRw&feature=related

grkmaster
07-13-2008, 05:44 PM
and we thought that just the fans were horrible at picking All-Stars... Even players as well! Varitek,Marmols.... sheesh.. You would think that a guy like Johan or Hamels would be high on the Player selection list over a guy like Marmol....

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:47 PM
and we thought that just the fans were horrible at picking All-Stars... Even players as well! Varitek,Marmols.... sheesh.. You would think that a guy like Johan or Hamels would be high on the Player selection list over a guy like Marmol....

You really think the team needs a 9th starter over a guy that used to playing in a relief role?

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 05:47 PM
I think the fans vote better than the players and both kinda stink at it tbh.

johnnylee722
07-13-2008, 05:47 PM
Who cares who the players voted in. You want to win the game. Take Hamels or Johan. Its not like just becuase you lost a relief pitcher you have to replace it with another relief pitcher. This is a bad pick. Don't care what the players say.

johnnylee722
07-13-2008, 05:49 PM
You really think the team needs a 9th starter over a guy that used to playing in a relief role?

Theres already a bunch other starters who are going ot act like relief pitchers Tuesday. Johan and Hamels would do better than most other relief pitcher could do.

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:49 PM
I still don't get how it is a bad pick.. I don't want him playing, so he can get rest, but it isn't THAT bad.

Leads the NL in 3/4 major stats for RP's

Holds
WHIP
K's

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:52 PM
Theres already a bunch other starters who are going ot act like relief pitchers Tuesday. Johan and Hamels would do better than most other relief pitcher could do.

Exactly. They are going to act like it.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to have some guys that don't have to act like it.

-Lavigne43-
07-13-2008, 05:53 PM
Sounds like he was too lazy to find the best player on his own so he looked at next guy available from the players vote. He couldn't take Francisco Cordero, Brandon Lyon, Jon Rauch, Matt Capps

Buckwheat
07-13-2008, 05:53 PM
Exactly. They are going to act like it.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to have some guys that don't have to act like it.

Yeah, how often does Johan come in relief for the 7th inning?

Doubt he will be too comfortable.

Your Name Here
07-13-2008, 05:55 PM
Sounds like he was too lazy to find the best player on his own so he looked at next guy available from the players vote. He couldn't take Francisco Cordero, Brandon Lyon, Jon Rauch, Matt Capps

I would have preferred Hurdle take any of those guys. I'd rather Marmol have 4 full days off and rest up.

But don't act like Marmol is completely unworthy.



EDIT : Not sure how I missed this, but Capps? The same Capps that's out until Sept.? Did you just pick random closers out of a hat?

yaowowrocket11
07-13-2008, 05:57 PM
I could care less. As long as he blows it when he pitches, so the AL wins, I am happy.

C-ross12
07-13-2008, 06:30 PM
Ok so if Marmol goes, everyone whos had a bad stretch this season goes. End of story. Before this stretch he was one of the most dominating pitchers. Probably being overworked is what caused it, so I just hope they dont pitch him during the game.

Jimmy3702
07-13-2008, 06:42 PM
Marmol & Fukudome are joke picks. Thank all the Japanese voters for that. Brian Wilson deserved to as he does lead the NL in saves.

bonafide1091
07-13-2008, 06:50 PM
Are these the same idiots who voted Tejada in over Jose Reyes?
:clap::clap::clap:

HipSlappyJoe
07-13-2008, 07:23 PM
They could have picked a closer to replace a closer.

TheBatchelor213
07-13-2008, 08:09 PM
wow

BearSox
07-13-2008, 08:10 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but the players are becoming worse than the fans...

redwhitenblue
07-13-2008, 08:16 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but the players are becoming worse than the fans...
Try to recall when the players voted, Marmol was easily one of if not the best reliever in the entire league

G2BOAT
07-13-2008, 08:17 PM
Marmol & Fukudome are joke picks. Thank all the Japanese voters for that. Brian Wilson deserved to as he does lead the NL in saves.

They really are joke picks that are not funny at all. Marmol with a 4.13 ERA and Fukudome is batting .279 with 7 HRs. :pity: that's pathetic.

Gigantes4Life
07-13-2008, 08:21 PM
At the time he was selected wasn't his ERA more around 2? :shrug:

cubsbears1225
07-13-2008, 08:28 PM
Not team has had 8 players in the all star game since the 1960 pirates. Damn...and D Lee didnt even make the team. Cubs could have had 9

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 08:34 PM
I donno how ANYBODY with his right mind would take Fukudome over Burrell.

C-ross12
07-13-2008, 08:34 PM
They really are joke picks that are not funny at all. Marmol with a 4.13 ERA and Fukudome is batting .279 with 7 HRs. :pity: that's pathetic.

Stop being so blind. The players picked him because h struck them all out. At the time he was probably striking out 2 or 3 guys per inning. Look at other stats other then ERA, its not the best stats for relievers, look at K/9 BB/9 and holds. Does he deserve to be an AS? Maybe not but its not like hes a "joke" as you so put it. Fukudome moreso then Marmol, more OF's deserve to be there then fuku.

steelSKINSNCUBS
07-13-2008, 08:52 PM
well, for people who dont watch the cubs, Marmol was iredible until the last week in a half, he has lost his pitches for now, and i think he sudnt go becase of his struggles as of late, but if tis week and a half didnt go like it did, i would be complaining how he didnt make it, he was absolutely unhittable until recenty hes dserving, but his statsdont say it b/c they have exploded lately

Joba Rules!!
07-13-2008, 08:52 PM
Because 90% of PSD are Cubs fans.

chicagowhitesox
07-13-2008, 08:59 PM
Hopefully the voting for the ASG is changed. Soon.

chicagofan71
07-13-2008, 09:00 PM
I want to hear why

He got the second most votes behind Kerry, so he gets in

Matchstckman
07-13-2008, 09:01 PM
Because 90% of PSD are Cubs fans.

Yeah, that's why Marmol's in.

chicagofan71
07-13-2008, 09:03 PM
They really are joke picks that are not funny at all. Marmol with a 4.13 ERA and Fukudome is batting .279 with 7 HRs. :pity: that's pathetic.

Marmol WHIP: 1.03

That's even after 2 or 3 ****ty outings

Fukudome OBP: .384

Also, after a couple of ****ty games

sevanseven
07-13-2008, 09:06 PM
How the heck does a set up man with over a 4 ERA make the all star team. So the cubs didnt have enough all stars they needed anohter??

Gotta love the fans voting in Fukudome with his .280 average and 7 homers 36 RBI.

cuz marmol was good. then he started slumping. but yea, the whole thing with fukudome making the all star game starter???

i'm a white sox fan and i'm not surprised that we only have 2 sox in the all star team and "chicago's team" has 7. well 8 if you include lou. the all star game, in all sports, has always been mainly a popularity contest. if their stats match up then there is a valuable argument. but when you have jason varitek batting .220 and he's in the all star game over pierzynski who is batting waay better, making most of the calls for the killer white sox pitching staff, not making the all star team, its highly questionable. then again, success is the best retaliation to all those who dislike the soxside. we'll be in the series again this year, against "chicago's team." but we will reign and win it again.

Sick Of It All
07-13-2008, 09:09 PM
Why couldn't Clint Hurdle just pick the best available pitcher, like Cole Hamels.

Or Johan Santana.


....I just laugh at this selection when I saw it. Regardless if he had the second most votes commom sense tells you their are plenty other options that actually make sense, but what ever.

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Marmol WHIP: 1.03

That's even after 2 or 3 ****ty outings

Fukudome OBP: .384

Also, after a couple of ****ty games

Fukudome: .279 BA, 7 HRs, 36 RBIs, .383 OBP, .408 SLG(horrible slugging btw)

Burrell: .275 BA, 22 HRs, 54 RBIs, .406 OBP, .570 SLG

redwhitenblue
07-13-2008, 09:42 PM
cuz marmol was good. then he started slumping. but yea, the whole thing with fukudome making the all star game starter???

i'm a white sox fan and i'm not surprised that we only have 2 sox in the all star team and "chicago's team" has 7. well 8 if you include lou. the all star game, in all sports, has always been mainly a popularity contest. if their stats match up then there is a valuable argument. but when you have jason varitek batting .220 and he's in the all star game over pierzynski who is batting waay better, making most of the calls for the killer white sox pitching staff, not making the all star team, its highly questionable. then again, success is the best retaliation to all those who dislike the soxside. we'll be in the series again this year, against "chicago's team." but we will reign and win it again.
For always being a popularity contest, the Cubs never have very many participants...so stop *****ing like they're the Yanks or BoSox in AS appearances

WOwolfOL
07-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Even with this recent really poor stretch, the guy's still given up half the amount of hits to innings pitched.

dcannon456
07-13-2008, 09:57 PM
You really think the team needs a 9th starter over a guy that used to playing in a relief role?

pah! santana can pitch in relief. infact im hopeing we see him tonight

Ph1lly Diehard
07-13-2008, 09:59 PM
There out to get the Phillies.

2 biggest snubs in the NL for both positions:

Cole Hamels
Pat Burrell

Don't even say i'm a homer for this, because they are the 2 biggest snubs.

dcannon456
07-13-2008, 10:00 PM
There out to get the Phillies.

2 biggest snubs in the NL for both positions:

Cole Hamels
Pat Burrell

Don't even say i'm a homer for this, because they are the 2 biggest snubs.

i think reyes and santana are right there with these. maybe they just hate the NL east?

The A Team
07-13-2008, 10:28 PM
and we thought that just the fans were horrible at picking All-Stars... Even players as well! Varitek,Marmols.... sheesh.. You would think that a guy like Johan or Hamels would be high on the Player selection list over a guy like Marmol....

Players are too busy getting ready to play to watch the competition much. They know who they hate batting against and that's about it. As good as Hamels is, he's one of those pitchers that hitters have a comfortable 0-4 performance against. They're much more likely to remember a guy like Marmol who shows just enough wildness to make batting against him uncomfortable.

Brian Wilson making the team outright was a sham and a mockery. I'll leave the rest to you. Marmol is just as bad.

redwhitenblue
07-13-2008, 10:40 PM
Players are too busy getting ready to play to watch the competition much. They know who they hate batting against and that's about it. As good as Hamels is, he's one of those pitchers that hitters have a comfortable 0-4 performance against. They're much more likely to remember a guy like Marmol who shows just enough wildness to make batting against him uncomfortable.

Brian Wilson making the team outright was a sham and a mockery. I'll leave the rest to you. Marmol is just as bad.
Marmol isn't near as bad as Wilson, the stats show that for themselves

As inconsistent as Marmol has been the last month or so, he's a reliever who could very well come in and dominate in an AS game

There are a good dozen or so AS's who are worse choices than Marmol

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 10:46 PM
What in Santana's stats didn't deserve to make the All-Star team btw?

Is it his "bad" ERA of 2.84?Or is it his 114 K / 35 BB ratio?
He has better stats than Webb, Dempster and Cook.

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 10:48 PM
Marmol isn't near as bad as Wilson, the stats show that for themselves

As inconsistent as Marmol has been the last month or so, he's a reliever who could very well come in and dominate in an AS game

There are a good dozen or so AS's who are worse choices than Marmol

Neither deserve to go to the ASG that's true.

I think Saito should go over both tbh.

redbird89
07-13-2008, 10:49 PM
There are certainly better pitchers than Marmol, but he had the next highest votes.

There are other pitchers you could argue deserve it, though.

redbird89
07-13-2008, 10:53 PM
I'm pissed because a better pitcher in Kyle Lohse didn't make it.

Lohse is doing well, 11-2 with a 3.39 ERA.

But there are probably pitchers better than him snubbed.

Really the All-Star balloting done by fans is done to get fans more into it.
But it's also flawed, because the most popular, not necessarily the best, players get it.

theSPECIALKID
07-13-2008, 10:55 PM
Because 90% of PSD are Cubs fans.

Wow

Theriot2
07-13-2008, 11:19 PM
The players voted in Marmol. So don't be mad at the manager, be mad at your players

WOwolfOL
07-13-2008, 11:40 PM
You'll find a good majority of Cubs fans here disagree with a couple of our guys making it. The game means something - we want the best team to play... so the AL has to come to Wrigley in october!

Tragedy
07-13-2008, 11:55 PM
The ASG is a joke. What did you expect?

G2BOAT
07-14-2008, 01:56 AM
Marmol WHIP: 1.03

That's even after 2 or 3 ****ty outings

Fukudome OBP: .384

Also, after a couple of ****ty games

Those aren't the only two stats. Why does everybody put WHIP and OBP in a league of it's own? I mean I like those two stats, but these aren't the only stats. The fact is Fuka whatever is overrated and same with Marmol. They are not All-Stars.

darkfire423
07-14-2008, 02:11 AM
How the heck does a set up man with over a 4 ERA make the all star team. So the cubs didnt have enough all stars they needed anohter??

Gotta love the fans voting in Fukudome with his .280 average and 7 homers 36 RBI.


By fans you must mean Japan.

I know alot of cubs fans who didnt vote for him.......

Who was the guy from the mets who ended up being like 3rd in voting as a back up........was it Shinjo?


I donno how ANYBODY with his right mind would take Fukudome over Burrell.

Lets go with this Burrell, Holliday, Braun. Who do you put in center? Remember that Braun was moved to left because he sucked at third. Burrell was moved to Left becuase he sucked at first.........Holliday in center?



and really the biggest joke is Varitek........218 avg with 7 homers......that is a all star for you

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 02:21 AM
By fans you must mean Japan.

I know alot of cubs fans who didnt vote for him.......

Who was the guy from the mets who ended up being like 3rd in voting as a back up........was it Shinjo?



Lets go with this Burrell, Holliday, Braun. Who do you put in center? Remember that Braun was moved to left because he sucked at third. Burrell was moved to Left becuase he sucked at first.........Holliday in center?



and really the biggest joke is Varitek........218 avg with 7 homers......that is a all star for you

Fukudome is not a Cf either:

Here is my outfield: RF- Burrell, CF-McLouth, LF- Braun

brodawgs
07-14-2008, 02:45 AM
marmol and fukudome dont deserve to be in the all-star game, i dont care how many votes they got.

Your Name Here
07-14-2008, 04:51 AM
Those aren't the only two stats. Why does everybody put WHIP and OBP in a league of it's own? I mean I like those two stats, but these aren't the only stats. The fact is Fuka whatever is overrated and same with Marmol. They are not All-Stars.

As a matter of fact, they are.

Poncho_707
07-14-2008, 04:59 AM
not only that, but the SF pitcher that has era over 4 too.. this rockies manager seems kind of stupid

leads the NL in saves.

C-ross12
07-14-2008, 06:26 AM
Im beginning to think people are just mad that the cubs have a lot of AS's this year. I wont argue about Soriano and Fuku, you could justify a lot of betetr combinations. But Marmol has been fantastic up until this bad streak hes hit (overworked is my theory). When you throw out what I believe to be the overworked time, you have Arguably the most dominate reliever this year; silly numbers. Point is hes been better then most closers, and actually worked with runners on. Believe it or not its harder to come in and close the door with Inherited runners as opposed to a fresh inning. Closers = Overrated, Stoppers = Underrated. Its that simple.

johnnylee722
07-14-2008, 08:28 AM
The players voted in Marmol. So don't be mad at the manager, be mad at your players

Doesn't mean the manager has to take him.

torontocubs
07-14-2008, 08:36 AM
Aside from Marmol's slip up over the last month, he was the most dominant relief pitcher in the majors. You can't ***** and complain over him being there, when he was voted in by the same moronic way that Varitek was voted in. I think the only thing dumber than letting the fans vote, is to have a bunch of stupid baseball players vote. These guys need to stick to baseball. If you look at this years teams, and look at the idiotic decisions both fans made as well as the players, you quickly realize that the league needs to make some changes really quickly.

Side note, I think next year they need to choose Home Run Derby hitters regardless of whether they make the all star game or not. Why Howard, Dunn, Teixera... guys like that are not in the derby is beyond me. Make it like the dunk comp in the nba, choose the ones you think will put on the best show. I personally want to see Dunn and Howard duke it out, not watch Utley or Longoria try and change their line drive swing to try and uppercut the crap out of the ball.

awesomeovie8
07-14-2008, 08:57 AM
steve bartmanhas better qualifications for the all-star game than lame *** marmol. Marmol is a joke! This could be the year with the worst snubs ever, I think the all snubs team would have a solid chance at beating the all stars.

johnnylee722
07-14-2008, 09:01 AM
Marmol is a great pitcher and has great stuff. But this game has a lot to do with numbers and his aren't as good as other pitchers out there.

torontocubs
07-14-2008, 09:02 AM
steve bartmanhas better qualifications for the all-star game than lame *** marmol. Marmol is a joke! This could be the year with the worst snubs ever, I think the all snubs team would have a solid chance at beating the all stars.

Your intelligence amazes me. Marmol is there, because the hitters that have faced him all season long, and have struck out against him, realized the fact that he was the toughest and best relief pitcher not in the all star game. While your at it, why don't you throw out this stellar all snub team. Eric Hinske in RF? Darrel Rasner starting the game?

Dirty Dirk41
07-14-2008, 09:33 AM
why does this surprise anyone anymore...every year theres snubs, or players that shouldnt make it getting on the all star team...And it will be like that for ever.....Give it up

iam brett favre
07-14-2008, 10:03 AM
The players also voted in Varitek.

:puke: :pity:

awesomeovie8
07-14-2008, 10:15 AM
Well heres my list torontocubs, im sure it will be criticized but this is how I feel the all-star snub list should look. Some positions are deep and some are not. I am sure I forgot others also.

P Johan, Hamels, Floyd, Lackey, Danks, Jenks, Hernandez, Loshe, Hudson, Ryan

OF Burrell, Lee, Dye, Bay, Crawford, Nady, Markakis

1B Howard, D. Lee

2B Phillips, Roberts

SS Reyes, Peralta, Hardy

3B Atkins, Lowell

C Doumit, Molinas, A.J.

darkfire423
07-14-2008, 01:25 PM
Fukudome is not a Cf either:

Here is my outfield: RF- Burrell, CF-McLouth, LF- Braun

sorry was McClouth (should be a all star no doubt about it) even a top 5 vote getter?

I think he go the slot becuase well.....every time has to have 1......last place teams shouldnt have all stars....

oh yea Fukudome has played center this year and in japan

darkfire423
07-14-2008, 01:28 PM
leads the NL in saves.


goes to the same thing about Ryan Howard.....leads the league in hormers but is bearly battling .220


that isnt a all star.....

Philly4life84
07-14-2008, 01:31 PM
Hamels should have got that spot and yea Fukudome is a joke.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 01:32 PM
Hamels should have got that spot and yea Fukudome is a joke.

Theres no need to have another starter. Period. Plus Fukudome was getting a lot of votes out of Japan and the majority of american voters who voted for him had voted before he hit this slump that hes in. But find a true cubs fan who agrees with you that he should be in. You wont.

Allabouthephils
07-14-2008, 01:34 PM
I, personally, think it's cool that the players have some say in who comes into the game... They play in the game... They do all the festivities... They do alot all for the fans... I don't think it's too much for them to have a say in who comes in for a reserve backup catcher that has dedicated more to this game than most dedicate to anything in their whole life and a reserve relief pitcher who had a phenominal year last year and must be one hell of a guy to be voted in by all of his peers...

Theres something to be said for that...

Dirty Dirk41
07-14-2008, 02:13 PM
I, personally, think it's cool that the players have some say in who comes into the game... They play in the game... They do all the festivities... They do alot all for the fans... I don't think it's too much for them to have a say in who comes in for a reserve backup catcher that has dedicated more to this game than most dedicate to anything in their whole life and a reserve relief pitcher who had a phenominal year last year and must be one hell of a guy to be voted in by all of his peers...

Theres something to be said for that...

i agree..Tek clearly isnt putting up the numbers a typical allstar has but they must think hes good at something

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 02:41 PM
sorry was McClouth (should be a all star no doubt about it) even a top 5 vote getter?

I think he go the slot becuase well.....every time has to have 1......last place teams shouldnt have all stars....

oh yea Fukudome has played center this year and in japan

That's what I'm saying , the fans donno **** about players like McLouth. They only vote for those they get to see and that's why fan voting should be changed.

If I were the manager(that's why I say stop letting fans voting for a lineup that will decide the faith of the WS) I would rather have McLouth: 19 HRs 65 RBIs 136 OPS+ (from the leadoff spot btw)
over Fukudome: 7 HRs, 38 RBIs, 107 OPS+

But again that's just me ;)

horry1ur
07-14-2008, 02:58 PM
not only that, but the SF pitcher that has era over 4 too.. this rockies manager seems kind of stupid

Ya but the SF pitcher(Brian Wilson) leads the NL in Saves!

REGular
07-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Ya but the SF pitcher(Brian Wilson) leads the NL in Saves!

Yes, but the CHI pitcher (Carlos Marmol) leads the NL in Holds!!

He's not the closer on his team, he can't get saves. But put in the same situation he gets the job done just as well.

WOwolfOL
07-14-2008, 03:32 PM
A lot of Fukudome's votes came early when he had like a 430 OBP.

Why is it ok for a batter to have a ****ty month, but not a pitcher?

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 03:42 PM
A lot of Fukudome's votes came early when he had like a 430 OBP.

Why is it ok for a batter to have a ****ty month, but not a pitcher?

So we should base players only on OBP when they have a ****ty SLG now? i didn't know.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 03:44 PM
So we should base players only on OBP when they have a ****ty SLG now? i didn't know.

Depending on where you are wanting them to hit. Fook with a good OBP sitting in the two hole works a lot of counts and takes a lot of pitches. Thats what I want to see from my 2 hole guy.

C-ross12
07-14-2008, 03:49 PM
That's what I'm saying , the fans donno **** about players like McLouth. They only vote for those they get to see and that's why fan voting should be changed.

If I were the manager(that's why I say stop letting fans voting for a lineup that will decide the faith of the WS) I would rather have McLouth: 19 HRs 65 RBIs 136 OPS+ (from the leadoff spot btw)
over Fukudome: 7 HRs, 38 RBIs, 107 OPS+

But again that's just me ;)

The problem is the WS Homefield Advantage shouldn't be decided by a leisure AS game; record should decide it.

So your mad that you can vote for who you think should be an AS? Its probably the second best way to decide, because the fans themselves are the ones who ponys up the cash.

The best way IMHO is to take every position, and the person with the best OPS at that position should get in. That works for me.

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 03:49 PM
Depending on where you are wanting them to hit. Fook with a good OBP sitting in the two hole works a lot of counts and takes a lot of pitches. Thats what I want to see from my 2 hole guy.

I rather have Utley in the #2 hole.

Btw the lineups:

NATIONAL LEAGUE LINEUP
Hanley Ramirez SS
Chase Utley 2B
Lance Berkman 1B
Albert Pujols DH
Chipper Jones 3B
Matt Holliday RF
Ryan Braun LF
Kosuke Fukudome CF
Geovany Soto C
Ben Sheets RHP

AMERICAN LEAGUE LINEUP
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Derek Jeter SS
Josh Hamilton CF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Manny Ramirez LF
Milton Bradley DH
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Joe Mauer C
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Cliff Lee RHP

horry1ur
07-14-2008, 03:50 PM
Ive only seen Marmol pitch against the Giants and so far hes done a ***tty job and btw REGular its my opinion but i think saves>>>>>holds:)

ShinobiNYC
07-14-2008, 03:50 PM
The problem is the WS Homefield Advantage shouldn't be decided by a leisure AS game; record should decide it.

So your mad that you can vote for who you think should be an AS? Its probably the second best way to decide, because the fans themselves are the ones who ponys up the cash.

The best way IMHO is to take every position, and the person with the best OPS at that position should get in. That works for me.

OPS+(adjusted to parks).

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 03:51 PM
I rather have Utley in the #2 hole.

Btw the lineups:

NATIONAL LEAGUE LINEUP
Hanley Ramirez SS
Chase Utley 2B
Lance Berkman 1B
Albert Pujols DH
Chipper Jones 3B
Matt Holliday RF
Ryan Braun LF
Kosuke Fukudome CF
Geovany Soto C
Ben Sheets RHP

AMERICAN LEAGUE LINEUP
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Derek Jeter SS
Josh Hamilton CF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Manny Ramirez LF
Milton Bradley DH
Kevin Youkilis 1B
Joe Mauer C
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Cliff Lee RHP

O I know and I agree with them mostly. I'm just saying if we're valueing (sp?) OBP over SLG its going to be in the 1-2 spot in the order. Know what I mean? I'm not arguing that fook should be in the two hole for the ASG

G2BOAT
07-14-2008, 04:14 PM
As a matter of fact, they are.

They shouldn't.

REGular
07-14-2008, 04:24 PM
and btw REGular its my opinion but i think saves>>>>>holds:)

Yea, my opinion is that Marmol can't get saves because he is not the closer. However, he leads the league in being placed in save-like opportunities and getting the job done.

horry1ur
07-14-2008, 04:34 PM
^^Yes and i respect your opinion :)

L-MiLLZ44
07-14-2008, 04:36 PM
i hate this guy but he should deserve to make the all star team, i'd rather have him pitch the 7th inning than most pitchers, Cole Hamels anybody?

Degz
07-14-2008, 04:48 PM
i hate this guy but he should deserve to make the all star team, i'd rather have him pitch the 7th inning than most pitchers, Cole Hamels anybody?

There's no doubt Cole should be there. His ERA speaks for itself. Too many people look at wins/losses, and unfortunately our offense takes the day off when he pitches.

07MVPPatBurrell
07-14-2008, 05:22 PM
let's just have Boston play Chicago tomorrow.... they are basically the two teams.