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lotti51
07-13-2008, 08:19 AM
My vote goes to Jonathan Papelbon

Humongo
07-13-2008, 08:21 AM
I'm assuming you mean right now, in which case it's Brad Lidge.

The Schmooze
07-13-2008, 08:34 AM
K - Rod

Ph1lly Diehard
07-13-2008, 09:16 AM
Brad Lidge. 20 of 20 saves, under 1 ERA. He plays in the smallest ballpark in the whole MLB.

hgtiger32
07-13-2008, 09:35 AM
Between K-ROD and his 37 saves, yes 37! and Mariano Rivera

nathirish
07-13-2008, 09:38 AM
i'd take mariano rivera every save opportunity. lidge has been garbage when it matters(2005)

viktor06
07-13-2008, 09:47 AM
It has to be K-Rod, I cant imagine anyone else having 37 saves so early...Lidge being close second, great pickup by Phillies

Bubba17
07-13-2008, 09:48 AM
lidge is garbage just because he gave a that homerun to pujols and struggled last year? he just needed a change of scenery and now look, hes back to his old self

ThisIsTheYear
07-13-2008, 09:54 AM
Lidge. Even though KRod is going to end up with 50+ saves, he gets a lot more save opprotunities. Pitching wise, Lidge is better.

Knicks845
07-13-2008, 10:05 AM
Mo. "Nuff Said"

CrazyCrackar
07-13-2008, 10:19 AM
The only thing Krod has over Mo is saves. Its not that Mo doesnt pick up saves hes 23 for 23 in save oppurtunites, its just that he hasnt had as many oppurtunites. Other then that Mo leads K rod in every statistical category, K's, lower BAA( Moe has a .064 bAA!!!!), less walks, save percentage, ERA, WHIP.

*I only did this for Krod and Moe, because i already looked up the info the other day.

Bob Joe Beck
07-13-2008, 10:53 AM
As much as i love Mariano and think he's still the best, i fear Papelbon. He does make stupid faces but there's no denying that he's an incredible closer.

And as for Rivera, last year when i was watching him pitch i was thinking to myself that he was on his way out, but with the way he's pitching this year, he seems like he's got another couple of years possibly, which is good because it's going to be hard for the Yankees to replace him.

Johan=LightsOut
07-13-2008, 11:02 AM
no love for joe nathan???
the guy has lights out stuff
I would want him as my closer over any1 else in the game

torontosports10
07-13-2008, 11:13 AM
1.Mo
2.K-rod
3.Lidge
4.Paps
5.Nathan

supermatt1331
07-13-2008, 11:25 AM
1. Rivera
2. Papelbon
3. K-Rod
4. Nathan
5. Ryan

As a Blue Jay fan, I get the "delight" of seeing Rivera several times a year. When he comes into the game, I know the game is over. I dont get that definite of a feeling with any other closer. The next closest would be Papelbon.

Kenny
07-13-2008, 11:38 AM
Whoever doesnt say Rivera just doesnt know baseball. I hate the Yankees but Rivera is the best closer in the history of the game. It's incredible how consistent he is.

Zaunnie
07-13-2008, 11:45 AM
Joe Nathan

vladdy#27
07-13-2008, 11:48 AM
K-rod

torontocubs
07-13-2008, 11:58 AM
1. Rivera
2. Papelbon
3. K-Rod
4. Nathan
5. Ryan

As a Blue Jay fan, I get the "delight" of seeing Rivera several times a year. When he comes into the game, I know the game is over. I dont get that definite of a feeling with any other closer. The next closest would be Papelbon.

Could not agree more. Mo comes in and shuts down. He defines the fear that batters have of closers. No-one else commands that type of aura. Papelbon kind of has that kind of fear, but that may just because he makes funny faces. That splitter of his may one day rival Mo's cutter. But I think its fair to say when you think of closer, you think Mo. When someone mentions a cutter, you think Mo. When someone mentions a broken bat, you think Mo.

K-Rod is an unbelievable closer, but I will give Mo all the credit in the world. He never tails off, he is always at the top of the stats every year.

CAIN=FUTURE
07-13-2008, 12:20 PM
Obviously Mariano. Not even close at this point. Someone else who dosnt get near enough reconition is Brian Wilson. It might be some what homerish, but hes leading the NL in saves and when the game is on the line, he is lights out, and hes only 26.

Zaunnie
07-13-2008, 12:24 PM
Obviously Mariano. Not even close at this point. Someone else who dosnt get near enough reconition is Brian Wilson. It might be some what homerish, but hes leading the NL in saves and when the game is on the line, he is lights out, and hes only 26.

the same brian wilson who has an ERA of 4.46? :eyebrow:

torontocubs
07-13-2008, 12:25 PM
Obviously Mariano. Not even close at this point. Someone else who dosnt get near enough reconition is Brian Wilson. It might be some what homerish, but hes leading the NL in saves and when the game is on the line, he is lights out, and hes only 26.

wow man, you usually make smart, intelligent comments, even when they are your crazy homerish calls. But this one I have to disagree. Brian Wilson is on my fantasy team, and he makes me cringe every time he manages to get called in. I think he has the potential to be great, but he is nowhere near that right now. We are talking about a guy who has a whip hovering at 1.5. That is terrible for a closer. He really needs to tighten is control. And give up less base hits. A 4.5 era and a 1.5 whip are nowhere remotely close to legitimate closer numbers.

torontocubs
07-13-2008, 12:26 PM
You want a name of someone who doesn't get enough recognition, Joakim Soria.

FC_4_life
07-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Most of Brian Wilson's earned runs came in non-save opportunities.

DirtyThirty
07-13-2008, 01:08 PM
K Rod or PAPS

Jimmy3702
07-13-2008, 01:09 PM
K-Rod or Brian Wilson

FC_4_life
07-13-2008, 01:13 PM
I say K-Rod.

letsgofish
07-13-2008, 01:31 PM
k-rod or mo

letsgofish
07-13-2008, 01:31 PM
K-Rod or Brian Wilson

you must be kidding. im a huge homer and thats the most ridiculous think ive ever seen

chicagowhitesox
07-13-2008, 01:37 PM
Homer! It's K-Rod.

letsgofish
07-13-2008, 01:37 PM
bobbdyjenks is one of the best as well but is injured

HighVelocity
07-13-2008, 01:49 PM
Many can argue and say that K-Rod is the best closer in baseball with 37 saves, but you have to take into account that Mariano Rivera hasn't blown a save in 23 save opportunities. With a 1.06 ERA I would have to say that Mariano Rivera is still the best closer in baseball. Even though I think Mariano is the best closer, K-Rod and Papelbon are the next two closers on my list.

CAIN=FUTURE
07-13-2008, 02:06 PM
wow man, you usually make smart, intelligent comments, even when they are your crazy homerish calls. But this one I have to disagree. Brian Wilson is on my fantasy team, and he makes me cringe every time he manages to get called in. I think he has the potential to be great, but he is nowhere near that right now. We are talking about a guy who has a whip hovering at 1.5. That is terrible for a closer. He really needs to tighten is control. And give up less base hits. A 4.5 era and a 1.5 whip are nowhere remotely close to legitimate closer numbers.

When the game is on the line he is at his best. His ERA gets jacked up in non save, get some work in, type outings. I remember one game thats a perfect example of this. A couple weeks ago against the Cubs. The Giants were winning 2-0 in the 9th. We called in Wilson. He loaded the bases and gave up a run with out recording an out. So the score was 2-1, no outs with the bases loaded. Then all of a sudden his fastabll went from 95mph to 100mph and he retired the the Cubs 1-2-3 after they loaded the bases.

Hes not 100% lights out yet, but he is lights out when the game is bon the line. The only thing that maters at the end of the day is saves. WHIP, ERA, and all those other stats dont mean ****. It dosnt make a difference if he gives up 1 or 2 runs, as long as he gets the save.

Lady's Man
07-13-2008, 02:08 PM
john rocker

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 02:17 PM
I'm assuming you mean right now, in which case it's Brad Lidge.

Better than Rivera, how?

Lidge can't touch his 0.638 WHIP

Freel for prez
07-13-2008, 02:22 PM
Stats wise...K-rod owns everyone...but as far as who I would want in the 9th of game 7...either Rivera or Nathan

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 02:28 PM
Stats wise...K-rod owns everyone...

No he doesn't.

K/BB:
Rivera 12.5
Rodriguez 1.63

WHIP:
Rivera 0.64
Rodriguez 1.22

ERA:
Rivera 1.06
Rodriguez 2.41

ERA+:
Rivera 384
Rodriguez 171

What stats did YOU mean? Saves?

Brosiff
07-13-2008, 02:43 PM
At the moment i would take brad lidge.

ShinobiNYC
07-13-2008, 02:46 PM
1- Mo
2- Lidge
3- Soria

sanfranfan1210
07-13-2008, 02:52 PM
I would take Lidge

jonesy1524
07-13-2008, 02:55 PM
You want a name of someone who doesn't get enough recognition, Joakim Soria.


:clap:

quiksilver2491
07-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Stats wise...K-rod owns everyone...but as far as who I would want in the 9th of game 7...either Rivera or Nathan

Well you might want to look past the saves because in terms of "stats" Rivera is untouchable this year, and this is coming from a Red Sox fan. This year I don't think anyone can deny how great Rivera has been when many people said he was done last year. If this list is about the greatest closers this year I go

1.Rivera
2.Soria
3.Papelbon
4.Nathan
5.Street

I smell my bat
07-13-2008, 04:22 PM
Papelbon is overrated, so is Lidge. It's got to be K-Rod, Rivera or Nathan.

quiksilver2491
07-13-2008, 05:01 PM
Papelbon is overrated, so is Lidge. It's got to be K-Rod, Rivera or Nathan.

Papelbon's .90 WHIP>Nathan's .93 WHIP>K-Rod's 1.22 WHIP

K-Rod is one of the most overated players in baseball.

belliard is god
07-13-2008, 05:04 PM
nathan

I smell my bat
07-13-2008, 05:08 PM
Papelbon's .90 WHIP>Nathan's .93 WHIP>K-Rod's 1.22 WHIP

K-Rod is one of the most overated players in baseball.
Because WHIP means everything O.K.

quiksilver2491
07-13-2008, 05:15 PM
Because WHIP means everything O.K.

:rolleyes:

I fail to see any arguement you post in response. So you don't like WHIP but you never say why or what you would use instead to prove me wrong. ERA means almost nothing for a relief pitcher. The purpose of a relief pitcher is to get guys out and get it done effectively and WHIP shows that. Maybe in the case of Nathan you can debate that he might be better than Papelbon because their WHIPs are so close but for K-Rod there is no arguement there, his WHIP is pretty garbage for "the greatest closer in baseball". I would love to hear why you believe Papelbon is overated, besides the fact that he plays for the Red Sox he is still one of the greatest closers in baseball, like it or not.

rriders9
07-13-2008, 05:17 PM
Papelbon

lakerfan2293
07-13-2008, 05:23 PM
mo is 23-23 in save opportunities and has only given up only 1 run in save situations(against the red sox when he had the bases loaded with no outs and still got out of it with only 1 run scored)

IndiansFan337
07-13-2008, 06:27 PM
1.) Papelbon
2.) Nathan
3.) Rivera

Ragun
07-13-2008, 07:16 PM
Rivera

giantspwn
07-13-2008, 07:38 PM
I have to say K-Rod.

And why do people care so much about ERA, WHIP, and Strikeout totals for closers? All that matters is that they complete the save. Some closers have to actually load the bases before they become effective. I think the most important stat should be save % , other stats seem like they should be secondary stats or only important for Starters..

Gigantes4Life
07-13-2008, 08:17 PM
Eh, but that's never going to translate over a full season or throughout a career.

quiksilver2491
07-13-2008, 09:06 PM
I have to say K-Rod.

And why do people care so much about ERA, WHIP, and Strikeout totals for closers? All that matters is that they complete the save. Some closers have to actually load the bases before they become effective. I think the most important stat should be save % , other stats seem like they should be secondary stats or only important for Starters..

Well I would say WHIP is the most important. If you have a low WHIP then you obviously aren't blowing the lead every night because you are getting guys out effectively. K-Rod doesn't do that as well as others yet he still keeps a low ERA, which is surprising but I will take the closer who goes in and strikes out the side over a guy who walks the bases loaded and barely gets the side out, eventually that isn't going to happen every time out.

brandonwarne52
07-13-2008, 09:31 PM
I have to say K-Rod.

And why do people care so much about ERA, WHIP, and Strikeout totals for closers? All that matters is that they complete the save. Some closers have to actually load the bases before they become effective. I think the most important stat should be save % , other stats seem like they should be secondary stats or only important for Starters..

:pity:

bagwell368
07-14-2008, 12:31 AM
This year?

Nathan
Mariano (best year in a while)
K-Rod
Paps (worrying rate of BS lately)

Don of NY23
07-18-2008, 10:20 PM
I've been a die hard baseball fan for over 30 years now and Rivera is the most dominant closer I have ever seen, in 10 years we'll see where these other guys are at but for now, with the game on the I trust no one more than Mo.

SportsFan1988
07-18-2008, 10:45 PM
Can't go against Mariano Rivera after the season he's having so far, but outside him it's really close, IMO.

1.Rivera
2.Lidge
3.K-Rod
4.Papelbon
5.Nathan

Tragedy
07-19-2008, 11:48 AM
1) Rivera (Anyone that says differently, just wow).
2) Papelbon
3) Nathan



4) K-Rod
5) Lidge

bagwell368
07-19-2008, 12:42 PM
Well I would say WHIP is the most important. If you have a low WHIP then you obviously aren't blowing the lead every night because you are getting guys out effectively. K-Rod doesn't do that as well as others yet he still keeps a low ERA, which is surprising but I will take the closer who goes in and strikes out the side over a guy who walks the bases loaded and barely gets the side out, eventually that isn't going to happen every time out.

What about SLG% against?

if a guy is a lot lower in the BA - say .190, but giving up a .345 slugging, that's not as effective as a guy giving up a .230 BA with a .285 slugging - at least potentially.

Obviously saves %, BS, 1+ IP saves and the like are key, as is WHIP.

There is another stat - subjective all the way. Do you get nervous when your closer comes in or more confident?

Papelbon, Gossage in '78, Rivera most years, Tom Gordon his big year w/ Boston - all make you feel like you have the other guys by the short ones.

Slocumb, Montgomery, and those guys make you want to drink Pepto straight out of the bottle!

METS4LIFE1988
07-19-2008, 06:47 PM
Mariano Rivera.

Brooke
07-19-2008, 08:14 PM
It's Mariano Rivera no question

jcs88
07-19-2008, 08:18 PM
It would be more worthwhile to talk about who is the second best closer, because there's no doubt that Mariano Rivera is #1.

Sox Appeal
07-19-2008, 11:30 PM
1. Nathan
2. Rivera
3. Jenks (I'm a homer, shoot me.)
4. Paps
5. K - Rod

Lidge, Wood, and Soria just missed the cut.

Sick Of It All
07-19-2008, 11:37 PM
Billy Wagner = GOAT!!

nyyfan4life
07-19-2008, 11:45 PM
Top 5

1- Rivera
2- Nathan
3- Paps
4- Lidge
5- Soria

eyememine
07-20-2008, 09:24 AM
Izzy

eyememine
07-20-2008, 09:25 AM
Well I would say WHIP is the most important. If you have a low WHIP then you obviously aren't blowing the lead every night because you are getting guys out effectively. K-Rod doesn't do that as well as others yet he still keeps a low ERA, which is surprising but I will take the closer who goes in and strikes out the side over a guy who walks the bases loaded and barely gets the side out, eventually that isn't going to happen every time out.

Who wouldn't?
and whatever happened to JJ Putz? Guys sucking this year but did well the past few.
And Mo is the best

Twinke Masta
07-20-2008, 10:08 AM
mo

jam2that
07-20-2008, 12:02 PM
1) Rivera
2) Nathan
3) K-Rod

METS4LIFE1988
07-20-2008, 12:16 PM
IMO, Nathan is better then Papelbon.

ShinobiNYC
07-20-2008, 12:22 PM
Who wouldn't?
and whatever happened to JJ Putz? Guys sucking this year but did well the past few.
And Mo is the best

He was injured all year.

m26555
07-20-2008, 12:57 PM
Anyone who doesn't say Mariano Rivera should be shot.

yaowowrocket11
07-20-2008, 01:47 PM
Anyone who doesn't say Mariano Rivera should be shot.

I agree 100%, and I am a Sox fan.

1. Rivera
2. K-Rod
3. Papelbon
4. Nathan
5. Lidge

ShinobiNYC
07-20-2008, 02:54 PM
I donno why Joakim Soria doesn't get any love at all:

25 saves, 1.47 ERA, 0.72 WHIP, 46 Ks, 9 walks

brandonwarne52
07-20-2008, 03:19 PM
I donno why Joakim Soria doesn't get any love at all:

25 saves, 1.47 ERA, 0.72 WHIP, 46 Ks, 9 walks

You don't? Really?:o