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TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:13 PM
1. Yao







2. Dwight
3. Jefferson

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 03:16 PM
a little biased seems how your a houston fan, but dwight is better than yao
1.dwight
2.yao
3.jefferson

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:17 PM
a little biased seems how your a houston fan, but dwight is better than yao
1.dwight
2.yao
3.jefferson
Not biased at all, maybe you are just taking flash over fire,

It's like taking LeBron over Kobe.

Ragun
07-12-2008, 03:20 PM
Dwight is not better than Yao...

1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Al Jeff

The thing about Yao is his injuries...if it wasn't for his injuries, there is no question to me that Yao is the better of the 2 as of right now.

Spurred1
07-12-2008, 03:21 PM
I know the best answer...
Yao
Yao
Yao

Arsenal17
07-12-2008, 03:22 PM
Jefferson
Dwight
Yao

yankees932
07-12-2008, 03:23 PM
Dwight has something Yao will never have, Athleticism.

1. Dwight
2. Yao
3. Jeff

stevefrancis
07-12-2008, 03:23 PM
you can make the arguement that dwight is number one but he has yet to add an offensive game besides over powering his defender and scoring off pick and rolls put backs or alley oops. look at amare he added that mid range jumpshot and next year he's gonna do real good especially since teams have to put a man on shaq. therefore yao is number one with howard then jefferson lol never really thought of him but he is good. should've been an all-star.

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:25 PM
Jefferson probably would be 2nd if he had better defense, HE's somewhat below average, like a C- or D+ Defender.

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Dwight has something Yao will never have, Athleticism.

1. Dwight
2. Yao
3. Jeff
hmm... I guess Dwight is better than duncan too, because Duncan is not athletic, not even in his prime he was that athletic.

phillyphan4ever
07-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Dwight
Yao
Al

_Sn1P3r_
07-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Yao, Dwight, Jefferson

lakers4sho
07-12-2008, 03:27 PM
Yao
Dwight
Jefferson

Bynum

North Yorker
07-12-2008, 03:30 PM
has it been 10 days already???lol

why do you have to constantly make up different threads all revolving around how you think Yao is the best? You're not going to change the minds of the people that disagree with you, so why not just agree to disagree?

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:32 PM
has it been 10 days already???lol

why do you have to constantly make up different threads all revolving around how you think Yao is the best? You're not going to change the minds of the people that disagree with you, so why not just agree to disagree?
But there are different people on right now, so Ya.

ManRam
07-12-2008, 03:32 PM
Out of the 60 threads you've made, 14 have been either to hype up Yao, bash Dwight, or comparisons between big men, where you can do both...

We get it! You love Yao, and think he's better than Dwight. These threads are fun, but they get old, especially when you begin to tell people they're opinions are wrong.

Dwight and Yao are extremely different players. Comparing them is hard. Let's move on...

Ugh...

Master P
07-12-2008, 03:36 PM
isn't jefferson a power forward by nature? but i guess you could say that about a lot of starting 5s in the nba. i mean who are the real c's? yao, dwight, camby, shaq, kaman, perkins, oden, okafor, curry, chandler, dalembart, haywood, and a handfull of others that aren't difference makers (rookies not included).

the pf's playing c are almost more effective now: bynum, gasol, oneal, duncan, amare (pre shaq), aldridge, bosh.

and then there are the euro big men who aren't really anything: dirk, okur, bargnani.

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:37 PM
isn't jefferson a power forward by nature? but i guess you could say that about a lot of starting 5s in the nba. i mean who are the real c's? yao, dwight, camby, shaq, kaman, perkins, oden, okafor, curry, chandler, dalembart, haywood, and a handfull of others that aren't difference makers (rookies not included).

the pf's playing c are almost more effective now: bynum, gasol, oneal, duncan, amare (pre shaq), aldridge, bosh.

and then there are the euro big men who aren't really anything: dirk, okur, bargnani.
Jefferson's Primary position is a C, and he is pretty much a Center anyways if you watch him play sometimes.

KeithLBC
07-12-2008, 03:37 PM
Tyson Chandler

Andrew Bogut

Brad miller :smoking:

How many fu%$$% Yao threads do there have to be? And here I thought "us" Laker fans were bad trying to pump up Bynum

Astros BLT
07-12-2008, 03:39 PM
1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Jefferson

Yao and Dwight are a really hard choice, but I do think Yao at this current time is a better player than Dwight. Dwight still looks raw as hell on the offensive end, we all know he can jump out of the building and block shots and rebound but until he actually gets a consistent offense game that doesn't consist of Dunks only then I will keep Yao at 1. Dwight is gonna be a beast, his future is incredible but he hasn't put it all together yet, which is understandable, when the time comes I think he will be the best center in the league but not yet.

Yaos definitely not a better player on the defensive end, I wish he was but on the offensive end he has a unique talent for a guy whose 7'6". Hes got a soft touch, lots of finesse and is getting better at finishing strong. If Yao kept himself healthy and wasn't playing basketball 24/7 then this debate would be even harder. His health makes poeple doubt him, but what he does on the court is incredible for a guy that big, he has an athletic ability to play the game just not in a dominating fashion.

Vidball
07-12-2008, 03:40 PM
isn't jefferson a power forward by nature? but i guess you could say that about a lot of starting 5s in the nba. i mean who are the real c's? yao, dwight, camby, shaq, kaman, perkins, oden, okafor, curry, chandler, dalembart, haywood, and a handfull of others that aren't difference makers (rookies not included).

the pf's playing c are almost more effective now: bynum, gasol, oneal, duncan, amare (pre shaq), aldridge, bosh.

and then there are the euro big men who aren't really anything: dirk, okur, bargnani.

Bynum is not a PF in any way at all.

Spurred1
07-12-2008, 03:41 PM
isn't jefferson a power forward by nature? but i guess you could say that about a lot of starting 5s in the nba. i mean who are the real c's? yao, dwight, camby, shaq, kaman, perkins, oden, okafor, curry, chandler, dalembart, haywood, and a handfull of others that aren't difference makers (rookies not included).

the pf's playing c are almost more effective now: bynum, gasol, oneal, duncan, amare (pre shaq), aldridge, bosh.

and then there are the euro big men who aren't really anything: dirk, okur, bargnani.
You must not have watched Gasol play center much. And isn't Bynum a center-not a pf?

BigEric
07-12-2008, 03:41 PM
I wouldn't consider Al Jefferson a true center. I'd put Kaman ahead of him for defensive reasons.

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:43 PM
1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Jefferson

Yao and Dwight are a really hard choice, but I do think Yao at this current time is a better player than Dwight. Dwight still looks raw as hell on the offensive end, we all know he can jump out of the building and block shots and rebound but until he actually gets a consistent offense game that doesn't consist of Dunks only then I will keep Yao at 1. Dwight is gonna be a beast, his future is incredible but he hasn't put it all together yet, which is understandable, when the time comes I think he will be the best center in the league but not yet.

Yaos definitely not a better player on the defensive end, I wish he was but on the offensive end he has a unique talent for a guy whose 7'6". Hes got a soft touch, lots of finesse and is getting better at finishing strong. If Yao kept himself healthy and wasn't playing basketball 24/7 then this debate would be even harder. His health makes poeple doubt him, but what he does on the court is incredible for a guy that big, he has an athletic ability to play the game just not in a dominating fashion.

I would take Yao to defend a player 1 on 1 like against Duncan over Dwight, but I'd rather have shot blocker in Dwight since he is a big guy.

J-Relo
07-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Dwight Howard
Yao Ming
Marcus Camby

BALLER71
07-12-2008, 03:47 PM
1. Yao







2. Dwight
3. Jefferson

So you're saying Yao is in a world of his own and that nobody comes close to him. :rolleyes:
Oh I see, you're a rockets fan..

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 03:48 PM
So you're saying Yao is in a world of his own and that nobody comes close to him. :rolleyes:
Oh I see, you're a rockets fan..
he's pretty much a big fish in a small pond like Kobe is at the SG position

sanfranfan1210
07-12-2008, 04:30 PM
1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Jefferson

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 04:39 PM
yao is not better then dwight, yaos constantly hurt because hes so uncoordinated, he isnt athletic whatsoever, the only reason hes good is because hes 7'6... there is no argument here that howard is better and hes still only 22, he averaged 20 and 14 last year for cryin out loud as a 22 year old, hes only getting better

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 04:42 PM
and everyones got to quit saying he needs to develop an offensive game because all he does is overpower his defender and get a bunch of put back jams... if your averagin 20 points a game overpowerin guys and gettin put back jams i think youve got an offensive game, you dont need to be able to hit the mid range jumper to be considered an offensive player

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 04:51 PM
and everyones got to quit saying he needs to develop an offensive game because all he does is overpower his defender and get a bunch of put back jams... if your averagin 20 points a game overpowerin guys and gettin put back jams i think youve got an offensive game, you dont need to be able to hit the mid range jumper to be considered an offensive player
Dwight doesn't overpower everybody, he overpowers softies like Bosh, He never overpowers Yao when they play.

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 04:59 PM
i never said he overpowers everybody, but when he plays yao he'll still get his 20 and 15, hes better then yao you just dont want to admit it because yaos on your favorite team, if yao got traded for howard youd be the happiest guy in this forum and youd forget who yao was before you know it

Spurred1
07-12-2008, 05:11 PM
Dwight doesn't overpower everybody, he overpowers softies like Bosh, He never overpowers Yao when they play.
Why do you persist with this Yao lovefest? No matter what anyone says, you will insist that Yao is the best human being/lover/center/athlete/genius, etc,etc,etc. This thread gets brought up every few days (by you) and you argue with anyone who has a different opinion. It is incredibly boring-you love Yao and you are entitled to your opinion, but not everyone feels the same way and they should be able to state their opinions without being attacked.

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 05:18 PM
i never said he overpowers everybody, but when he plays yao he'll still get his 20 and 15, hes better then yao you just dont want to admit it because yaos on your favorite team, if yao got traded for howard youd be the happiest guy in this forum and youd forget who yao was before you know it
Which is why Yao owns Dwight head to head, and Dwight only had 1 20+ point game before against him and Yao doubles his stats when tehy play right?
20-15?

you're a 20-15 dumbass

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 05:23 PM
you make too much sense for me.... learn how to speak then come make your dumb arguments, everyones sick of you and your obsession with yao, he hasnt played 60 or more games in the last 3 years and he'll never win a championship with that squad in houston so give it up

TmacYao2
07-12-2008, 05:32 PM
you make too much sense for me.... learn how to speak then come make your dumb arguments, everyones sick of you and your obsession with yao, he hasnt played 60 or more games in the last 3 years and he'll never win a championship with that squad in houston so give it up
Even so, he is better.

Westbrook36
07-12-2008, 07:32 PM
Dude whats with you making a thread every week about yao and dwight

ManRam
07-12-2008, 10:48 PM
and everyones got to quit saying he needs to develop an offensive game because all he does is overpower his defender and get a bunch of put back jams... if your averagin 20 points a game overpowerin guys and gettin put back jams i think youve got an offensive game, you dont need to be able to hit the mid range jumper to be considered an offensive player

No. He needs to develop an offensive game. It's so predictable. I'll be the first to admit it. He gets the ball in the low post, makes a move (is successful most of the time), but he refuses to pass, which leads to tons of turnovers. If he is double teamed, usually it leads to bad things. He needs to learn to pass, and develop some range to keep defenses honest. Most of his points are off of FTs (yes, he misses a ton, but gets to the line more than anyone), rebounds and botched plays. His offensive game is so raw. Unless he dunks it, or lays it in, he wont score. His range is about 5 feet.

That's why it's hard to compare these two. Yao has more range, but Dwight is a beast down low. Yao is taller and lankier, but Dwight is stronger and more athletic. They both have their pros and cons.

Wade3
07-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Dwight Howard
Al Jefferson
Yao Ming

DQL
07-13-2008, 12:50 PM
Dwight is the best. He's just getting better and better. Plus he's 5 years younger than Yao. He has way more room to develop. Yao hasn't shown any development since he entered the league. His numbers went up just b/c he played more minutes

TmacYao2
07-13-2008, 03:23 PM
Dwight is the best. He's just getting better and better. Plus he's 5 years younger than Yao. He has way more room to develop. Yao hasn't shown any development since he entered the league. His numbers went up just b/c he played more minutes
as clueless as it gets in giving you in point guard fits.

yaowowrocket11
07-13-2008, 04:04 PM
Dwight has something Yao will never have, Athleticism.

1. Dwight
2. Yao
3. Jeff

Since when do you need to be a beast of an athlete to be a dominant big man? Most of the top big men in history and in the NBA currently aren't as athletic as Howard, and were still better.

1. Yao
2. Howard
3. Jefferson

yaowowrocket11
07-13-2008, 04:09 PM
Dwight is the best. He's just getting better and better. Plus he's 5 years younger than Yao. He has way more room to develop. Yao hasn't shown any development since he entered the league. His numbers went up just b/c he played more minutes

:confused:

Isn't that a good thing if his minutes increased? That means he is improving and is a dominant big man. If he wasn't developing as a center, why would the Rockets almost triple his minutes?

Let's compare, shall we?


YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
02-03 HOU 82 72 29.0 4.9-9.8 .498 0.0-0.0 .500 3.7-4.5 .811 0.4 1.8 2.1 2.8 2.4 5.8 8.2 1.7 13.5
03-04 HOU 82 82 32.8 6.5-12.5 .522 0.0-0.0 .000 4.4-5.4 .809 0.3 1.9 2.5 3.3 2.4 6.6 9.0 1.5 17.5
04-05 HOU 80 80 30.6 6.7-12.2 .552 0.0-0.0 .000 4.9-6.2 .783 0.4 2.0 2.5 3.7 2.6 5.8 8.4 0.8 18.3
05-06 HOU 57 57 34.1 8.2-15.8 .519 0.0-0.0 .000 5.9-6.9 .853 0.5 1.6 2.6 3.4 2.6 7.6 10.2 1.5 22.3
06-07 HOU 48 48 33.9 8.8-17.1 .516 0.0-0.0 .000 7.4-8.6 .862 0.4 2.0 3.5 3.3 2.1 7.3 9.4 2.0 25.0
07-08 HOU 55 55 37.2 7.9-15.5 .507 0.0-0.0 .000 6.3-7.4 .850 0.5 2.0 3.3 3.1 3.1 7.7 10.8 2.3 22.0

32.8 minutes the season of 2003-2004

33.9 minutes the season of 2006-2007. A whole 1.1 minutes more! :speechless:

And yet, he increased his point total 7.5 PPG.

Tell me how that is not development?

Crunchy12489
07-14-2008, 05:41 AM
1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Rasheed (Al Jefferson is a beast hell yeah, but he hasn't accomplished 2% of what Sheed has done. Sheed is still a great all-around Center)

TmacYao2
07-14-2008, 08:23 AM
1. Yao
2. Dwight
3. Rasheed (Al Jefferson is a beast hell yeah, but he hasn't accomplished 2% of what Sheed has done. Sheed is still a great all-around Center)
i would say sheed is more of a PF.

Crunchy12489
07-14-2008, 09:49 AM
i would say sheed is more of a PF.

I would view Al Jefferson as a PF too, but he's mentioned as #3. He doesn't pass Sheed IMO, but he will one day, no doubt.

T-Mac_Attack
07-14-2008, 10:28 AM
It's Yao, Dwight, and Amare/Duncan, Al can get hit by a bus :-)

Crunchy12489
07-14-2008, 11:27 AM
It's Yao, Dwight, and Amare/Duncan, Al can get hit by a bus :-)

Now Amare and Duncan are clearly PF's.