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Ruthian
07-12-2008, 12:08 PM
This is a really tough award to give out but here are my top 3 right now for each league.

AL:
1. Cliff Lee CLE
2. Justin Duchscherer OAK
3. Roy Halladay TOR

NL:
1. Ben Sheets MIL
2. Cole Hamels PHI
3. Brandon Webb ARZ

torontocubs
07-12-2008, 12:14 PM
How did you possibly leave out Volquez and Lincecum from contention in the NL??

Logic? Please explain... I mean both Timmy and Volquez have better numbers than both Sheets and Hamels.....

Justin's numbers are absolutely unreal, just seems so unlikely he will keep it going. AL contenders seem right, NL not so much.

viktor06
07-12-2008, 12:17 PM
AL - Duke, Lee, Halladay, Marcum, Danks, Saunders
NL - Lincecum, Volquez, Santana, Peavy, Haren, Sheets

Ragun
07-12-2008, 12:17 PM
I think its between Halladay and Lee in the East.

marlinsfan24
07-12-2008, 12:23 PM
Heres a name you guys should watch out for, Ricky Nolasco. He has lowered his ERA from over 5 earlier this year, May 14 actually, to .374. He has a 10-4 record, and he has become the ace of the young Marlins team. He has thrown 6+ innings in 6 consecutive starts. In those starts hes struck out 42 and walked just 4. Only given up 3 home runs and allowed 12 runs in those 42 innings.

marlinsfan24
07-12-2008, 12:24 PM
but for me its Cliff Lee and Edison Volquez right now

dcannon456
07-12-2008, 12:33 PM
Heres a name you guys should watch out for, Ricky Nolasco. He has lowered his ERA from over 5 earlier this year, May 14 actually, to .374. He has a 10-4 record, and he has become the ace of the young Marlins team. He has thrown 6+ innings in 6 consecutive starts. In those starts hes struck out 42 and walked just 4. Only given up 3 home runs and allowed 12 runs in those 42 innings.

its sad thats considered an accomplishment :-/

Joba Rules!!
07-12-2008, 12:38 PM
I think it'll end up being Doc and Lincecum.

Ruthian
07-12-2008, 12:51 PM
Heres my Justifications on the NL Side

1) Team
I have to look at what team they are on and say are they really gonna give the cy young to someone on the lowly Giants. I mean if they make the playoffs its a different story. right Now Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and Arizona seem like three top contenders.
2) Wins.
Brandon Webb is on there over lincecum and volquez because he has 13. Im aware that Volquez had more wins than both Sheets and Hamels
3) Stats
The BAA on hamels in .204, with a WHIP of .99. He leads the league in Innings Pitched (Cook does but he has 1 more start). He has 2 CG shutouts. Limited Run Support for some reason. In Philadelphia, he is the guy they count on right now with other guys who arent quite as good or reliable. Same for Sheets. Hes got 3 complete games, opponents arent hittin well against him.

Reasons for leaving guys off:
1) Volquez: He's struggled with control issues and hasnt really been good in his last 3 starts.
2) Lincecum: Opponents are hittin 40 points higher off him than Hamels.

urban legend
07-12-2008, 01:13 PM
it's gonna be halladay his numbers are insane... 11 wins, 2.71 era, 121 strike outs, 7 cgs..... he should have around 13 or 14 wins because he gave up 1 or 2 runs a couple of games and lost because the jays have no offense this year... he will end up 19-9 for the season

Havoc Wreaker
07-12-2008, 01:29 PM
Halladay is O W N A G E

In fact he's been so good he should win both cy youngs :laugh:

ThisIsTheYear
07-12-2008, 01:34 PM
Lincecum and Doc Halladay.

FriarFanatic
07-12-2008, 01:35 PM
^i agree with you. tiny tim and the doc

marlinsfan24
07-12-2008, 01:50 PM
its sad thats considered an accomplishment :-/

I agree. Only reason I added that is to show consitancy incase someone needed it.

torontocubs
07-12-2008, 03:07 PM
Lincecum is really going to have to throw up wins over the last half. He is so good but the fact he is a giant is really going to hurt him. With guys pitching great on better teams, they will rather give it to the guy like webb who posts 20+ wins than to the guy with astonishing numbers.

Doc or K-Rod in the AL. K-rod could and will very likely smash the single season save record, and in a sport where records like that aren't broken too often, he will get some serious consideration.

torontocubs
07-12-2008, 03:08 PM
Any chance Sabathia takes it... slow start to the year but has been dominant, or does he not qualify because of the league switch? That is an interesting dilemma, because he could easily mow down NL hitting the rest of the year. Someone check the rule on that and post it.

I know there are certain inning requirements, but what about league requirements. Would he be the first ever to go back to back in different leagues???

sanfranfan1210
07-12-2008, 03:08 PM
Lincecum and Halladay

JAYZFAN9
07-12-2008, 03:35 PM
Any chance Sabathia takes it... slow start to the year but has been dominant, or does he not qualify because of the league switch? That is an interesting dilemma, because he could easily mow down NL hitting the rest of the year. Someone check the rule on that and post it.

I know there are certain inning requirements, but what about league requirements. Would he be the first ever to go back to back in different leagues???

He has no chance to win it in the NL... his wins from the AL dont carry over... So he has 1 win right now

Jimmy3702
07-12-2008, 04:36 PM
This is a really tough award to give out but here are my top 3 right now for each league.

AL:
1. Cliff Lee CLE
2. Justin Duchscherer OAK
3. Roy Halladay TOR

NL:
1. Ben Sheets MIL
2. Cole Hamels PHI
3. Brandon Webb ARZ

Hamels isnt even Top 5. At least make the Allstar game to be in contention. For the NL it is.
1. Lincecum
2. Volquez
3. Sheets
4. Webb
5. Carlos Zambrano

Yankees213
07-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Mariano Rivera has to get some consideration. He's been absolutely dominant this year and still hasn't blown a save. He has the lowest ERA (1.06) of anyone with at least 1 save in the AL. And how bout these stats:
50 Strikeouts, 4 walks. That's pretty sick stuff.
I know it's tough for a closer to win but he's gotta at least be considered with this great of a season.

bartoron
07-12-2008, 04:44 PM
AL:

1. Justin Duchscherer (man, his last name is impossible to spell)
2. Cliff Lee
3. Roy Halladay

NL:

1. Edinson Volquez
2. Tim Lincecum
3. Dan Haren

mariotubes
07-12-2008, 04:47 PM
Doc for sure, hes so under rated

Brooke
07-12-2008, 05:12 PM
NL: Sheets, Zambrano, Webb, Lincecum, Volquez
AL: Halladay, Lee, Duchscherer

goldglove212
07-12-2008, 11:19 PM
AL - Halladay/Lee

NL - Volquez/Lincecum/Webb

Redsox07Champs
07-12-2008, 11:31 PM
gonna be webb and lee

FC_4_life
07-12-2008, 11:33 PM
Doc for sure, hes so under rated

Hes not really underrated, most people agree he should win the Cy.

I vote Lincecum and Halladay.

freedas
07-13-2008, 12:01 AM
This is a really tough award to give out but here are my top 3 right now for each league.

AL:
1. Cliff Lee CLE
2. Justin Duchscherer OAK
3. Roy Halladay TOR

NL:
1. Ben Sheets MIL
2. Cole Hamels PHI
3. Brandon Webb ARZ

al
halladay
duchscherer

nl
webb
lincecum even though hi team sucks he is 112 lead majors in strikeouts

rriders9
07-13-2008, 12:03 AM
Mariano Rivera has to get some consideration. He's been absolutely dominant this year and still hasn't blown a save. He has the lowest ERA (1.06) of anyone with at least 1 save in the AL. And how bout these stats:
50 Strikeouts, 4 walks. That's pretty sick stuff.
I know it's tough for a closer to win but he's gotta at least be considered with this great of a season.

Ill buy that, he shouldn't win it but yeah he should get consideration. Docs gonna take it in the AL. Timmy will win if the Giants can continue to get him support to keep up with the wins

Gigantes4Life
07-13-2008, 12:16 AM
Hamels isnt even Top 5. At least make the Allstar game to be in contention. For the NL it is.
1. Lincecum
2. Volquez
3. Sheets
4. Webb
5. Carlos Zambrano

So? Johan didn't get in either, and if he puts up the same numbers like usual he'll be in contention.

By the end of the year, I'm guessing the top 5 will be Hamels, Haren, Webb, Zambrano and either Lincecum or Volquez.

Air Adam
07-13-2008, 12:17 AM
Volquez and Cliff Lee

FC_4_life
07-13-2008, 12:37 AM
So? Johan didn't get in either, and if he puts up the same numbers like usual he'll be in contention.

By the end of the year, I'm guessing the top 5 will be Hamels, Haren, Webb, Zambrano and either Lincecum or Volquez.

It will probably be Webb, Volquez, Lincecum, Sheets, and Zambrano, in that order...

cwilson21
07-13-2008, 12:41 AM
Don't forget that a team's success will also be counted in heavily. It's sad to see that most of the good pitchers this season have been pitching on terrible teams.

JAYZFAN9
07-13-2008, 12:49 AM
Don't forget that a team's success will also be counted in heavily. It's sad to see that most of the good pitchers this season have been pitching on terrible teams.

meh, not necessarily. Doc won it in 03' on a pretty medicore jays team. However you are correct that more often then not the winner is on a playoff team

JAYZFAN9
07-13-2008, 12:50 AM
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JAYZFAN9
07-13-2008, 12:51 AM
Don't forget that a team's success will also be counted in heavily. It's sad to see that most of the good pitchers this season have been pitching on terrible teams.

.triple post lol

Newport05
07-13-2008, 12:58 AM
Heres a name you guys should watch out for, Ricky Nolasco. He has lowered his ERA from over 5 earlier this year, May 14 actually, to .374. He has a 10-4 record, and he has become the ace of the young Marlins team. He has thrown 6+ innings in 6 consecutive starts. In those starts hes struck out 42 and walked just 4. Only given up 3 home runs and allowed 12 runs in those 42 innings.

ROFL:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

HighVelocity
07-13-2008, 02:40 AM
A.L.

Roy Halladay
Cliff Lee
Justin Duchscherer

N.L.

Tim Lincecum
Edinson Volquez
Brandon Webb

nickymintz
07-13-2008, 02:54 AM
AL
1 Cliff Lee
2 Roy Halladay
3 Mariano Rivera

NL
1 Brandon Webb
2 Tim Linccecum
3 Edinson Volquez

Run Gardner Run
07-13-2008, 03:22 AM
Jason Stark has Mariano winning it

It would kind of be like Kobes lifetime acievement award

zambo4president
07-13-2008, 03:53 AM
NL: Timmy Lincecum, Big Z, Eddy Volquez, Webb
AL: Mo Rivera, Duke, Halladay

zambo4president
07-13-2008, 03:56 AM
Heres a name you guys should watch out for, Ricky Nolasco. He has lowered his ERA from over 5 earlier this year, May 14 actually, to .374. He has a 10-4 record, and he has become the ace of the young Marlins team. He has thrown 6+ innings in 6 consecutive starts. In those starts hes struck out 42 and walked just 4. Only given up 3 home runs and allowed 12 runs in those 42 innings.

i have not heard his name 1 time this year. i guessing your a big homer

ugafan
07-13-2008, 04:07 AM
Jason Stark has Mariano winning it

It would kind of be like Kobes lifetime acievement award

I read that article, If you actually read the reasoning, it was part what you said and part he hasn't blown a save in 24 chances! And hadn't given up any runs in any save chances til last week. That's a whopping .37 ERA in save chances. And you may say, what about his other appearances, because his ERA this year, is much more than .37, he, like many other closers, thrives on pressure. Take for example, Mike Gonzalez, save situation, he's rocking side to side on the mound, because adrenaline is rushing through him. Non save situation, he's rocking a bit, but he's not on his game like he would be during a save situation. Mariano, Duchscherer, or Lee would be my pick.

Run Gardner Run
07-13-2008, 04:19 AM
Reason I say Doc wont win it is because they are likely going to come in last place. I dont believe there has ever been a last place team with a CY Young winner. Maybe if his numbers were RIDICULOUSLY better than everyone elses, but I honestly believe this is Marianos year

lincecum98
07-13-2008, 07:36 PM
AL
1.Duke
2.Halladay
3.K-ROD or Lee
NL
1.Lincecum(He plays on a horrible team so he should get more credit for getting 11 wins on a ****ty team than Webb getting 13 on a first place team)
2.Volquez(Him and Lincecum both deserve it so it could go either way.)
3.Brandon Webb(Just because he has 13 wins)

giantspwn
07-13-2008, 07:53 PM
AL- Duch
NL-Webb

Although Lincecum will most likely deserve it, The Giants FO has already announced they will not let him throw anywhere near 200 innings this year to save his arm, so Brandon Webb will probably win it because he has a few more wins than Timmy..

Kinsm
07-13-2008, 08:03 PM
AL

NL
1.Lincecum(He plays on a horrible team so he should get more credit for getting 11 wins on a ****ty team than Webb getting 13 on a first place team)


Both teams are currently below .500, not good.

Halladay
07-13-2008, 08:08 PM
Lincecum and The Doctor. In the AL I'd like to include K-Rod in the discussion but I find it pretty hard to vote for a reliever. I think this is why there should just be a seperate award for the leagues best relievers, that way It would completely stop the discussion of whether a reliever should be up for the CY Young.

torontocubs
07-13-2008, 08:21 PM
Lincecum and The Doctor. In the AL I'd like to include K-Rod in the discussion but I find it pretty hard to vote for a reliever. I think this is why there should just be a seperate award for the leagues best relievers, that way It would completely stop the discussion of whether a reliever should be up for the CY Young.

There will be soon, wait 5 years for Mo to retire, and there is a good chance a trophy will be named in his honour. Best closer ever.

nascar10294
07-13-2008, 08:28 PM
There will be soon, wait 5 years for Mo to retire, and there is a good chance a trophy will be named in his honour. Best closer ever.

Thats a good idea for the reliver of the year award. Its a booring name.

This is home teamish, but i think MO should be considered for the cy young this year if he can keep up his numbers and improve in non save situations. The AL has yet to shown a clear front runner

papipapsmanny
07-13-2008, 09:28 PM
um i no ill get **** for this, but Dice-K is quietly having a good year

10-1 with a 2.65 ERA 152 ERA+

Tragedy
07-13-2008, 11:25 PM
um i no ill get **** for this, but Dice-K is quietly having a good year

10-1 with a 2.65 ERA 152 ERA+
There's a pretty good chance, if he can maintain a good ERA (Which might be hard to do with his WHIP) and many wins, that he'll win the award.

Basically, the voting cares about: W-L, IP, and ERA. Awful, yes, but oh well. Plus he plays for the Red Sox, so that helps.

ChiSox592
07-13-2008, 11:43 PM
AL: Cliff Lee or Duke...but could be Rivera
NL: Lincecum or Volquez

Shifty1 69
07-14-2008, 11:43 AM
Reason I say Doc wont win it is because they are likely going to come in last place. I dont believe there has ever been a last place team with a CY Young winner. Maybe if his numbers were RIDICULOUSLY better than everyone elses, but I honestly believe this is Marianos year

"Likely" last place?? haha... yeah.

R. Johnson#3
07-14-2008, 11:45 AM
Reason I say Doc wont win it is because they are likely going to come in last place. I dont believe there has ever been a last place team with a CY Young winner. Maybe if his numbers were RIDICULOUSLY better than everyone elses, but I honestly believe this is Marianos year

CY Young award is for the best pitcher in his respective league. It has nothing to do with a team's overall record.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 11:47 AM
CY Young award is for the best pitcher in his respective league. It has nothing to do with a team's overall record.

But sadly the stupid ****s take W's into account

Tragedy
07-14-2008, 11:53 AM
but I honestly believe this is Marianos year
:puke:

I love Mariano and all, but I'd hate to see the award go to a reliever again.

leftymo
07-14-2008, 11:55 AM
As of right now, Volquez has been the superior pitcher in the NL.

I'm a giants fan so I'd love tiny tim to get it, and maybe as the year progresses Tim will finally out-do Volquez.

Wins are important, but ERA & Strikeouts are also, and Lincecum has the major league lead in K's.

mike_noodles
07-14-2008, 12:02 PM
If K-Rod keeps up the pace he is on and can get to 59 saves to break the record I think you have to give him the AL Cy Young, if not, I say the Doc, his numbers (most notably IP) are astounding.

In the NL, there's still too many bunched up right now IMO, but if it had to go out right now, I would pick Lincecum, he is top 3 in Wins, and ERA and leading in Ks.

cubs92
07-14-2008, 01:32 PM
in the AL, at this point for me its duchscherer hands down. granted that could definatley change by the end of the season. in the NL i think at this point it should be lincecum, but in the end i think it will be whoever has the most wins. i dont agree with the cy young winner being decided on record but thats how it goes a lot. probably webb in the NL

kyubi256
07-14-2008, 01:33 PM
I think it'd be Sheets right now for NL

and for AL it would be Cliff Lee

the 2 Starters

Giants2009
07-14-2008, 01:57 PM
did anyone see lincecum shut down the cubs yesterday in wrigley field!! it was unbelievable!

BarnDAWG
07-14-2008, 02:43 PM
Webb is getting way more credit than he deserves. Everyone seems to remember his superhuman March/April and not so much his completely average rest of the season.

March/April: 6-0 1.98 41 IP

May: 4-2 3.38 ERA 42.2 IP
June: 2-2 4.76 ERA 28.1 IP
July: 1-0 3.75 ERA 12 IP

May-July totals: 7-4 4.37 ERA 92.3 IP

Don't get me wrong, I love the 13-4 W/L, but the trend indicates it won't be such a pretty looking number for too much longer.

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-14-2008, 02:46 PM
Webb is getting way more credit than he deserves. Everyone seems to remember his superhuman March/April and not so much his completely average rest of the season.

March/April: 6-0 1.98 41 IP

May: 4-2 3.38 ERA 42.2 IP
June: 2-2 4.76 ERA 28.1 IP
July: 1-0 3.75 ERA 12 IP

May-July totals: 7-4 4.37 ERA 92.3 IP

Don't get me wrong, I love the 13-4 W/L, but the trend indicates it won't be such a pretty looking number for too much longer.

Haren's got the best numbers on that staff

rogbalog
07-14-2008, 03:09 PM
it's possible that k-rod wins it...he is on pace to break the record for saves. as long as i am already talking about RPs, a longshot is mariano. he is on pace to have a ridiculous era (has only allowed 1 r all season) and the last time a closer had an era that terrific, he won the cy young (eric gagne).
lincecum has been the best pitcher in the national league, by far.
halladay deserves it in the al.