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redick-cash
07-11-2008, 08:09 AM
Redick finnaly available? what if we sent balkmen and malik for sg redick, we have these two guys who dont fit with mike d's offense redick can be great and would be another fan favorite who will bring alot of ppl to watch at the garden, i say we have to get him

NewjackNY
07-11-2008, 08:45 AM
JJ can shoot but I wouldn't trade any of the younger guys for him unless it involved some draft picks.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-11-2008, 08:50 AM
I'd consider trading Mardy and/or Balk for him fast. He is a shooter. We need a shooter. He could play a Steve Kerr type role for us. We have 5 trillion small fwds so Balk may not play anyway and Mardy might not even make the team. We cant send Malik though. Maliks expiring deal is 8 mill. That we can save for another deal.

Knicks Fire Dog
07-11-2008, 09:00 AM
I would only do a straight up for him and Mardy but thats it. He is a horrible defender and we need to get stronger and I think thats why we went with Duhon the most. Mardy is by far the worst player on our team and really is worthless. It might of had to do with Isiah but man he is trash. We are waiving him. Mark my words on that

As far as Balkman, yes I understand he can not shoot to save his life and if he shot a bullette to the ground he would probably miss but he hustles, plays solid D, blocks shots, runs up and down the court and finishes around the rim. Sounds like a Young Amarie to me because remember, Amare just got an outside game over the last 2 years.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-11-2008, 09:05 AM
I would only do a straight up for him and Mardy but thats it. He is a horrible defender and we need to get stronger and I think thats why we went with Duhon the most. Mardy is by far the worst player on our team and really is worthless. It might of had to do with Isiah but man he is trash. We are waiving him. Mark my words on that

As far as Balkman, yes I understand he can not shoot to save his life and if he shot a bullette to the ground he would probably miss but he hustles, plays solid D, blocks shots, runs up and down the court and finishes around the rim. Sounds like a Young Amarie to me because remember, Amare just got an outside game over the last 2 years.

The key when discussing Reddick is his role. If you are looking for a large minutes guy then his defense is an issue. If you are looking for a guy to play a Steve Kerr type role like the Spurs had guys play for years then you can live with his bad defense. I'm speaking only as a situational 3 point threat off the bench.

I like Balk a lot but I dont think he is going to play ahead of Danilo, Chandler, Qrich and Jeffries.

I do have to admit you may have lost me a bit with the Amare comparison. Sure they do some similar things but that is a pretty big leap. :)

MrBloop
07-11-2008, 09:15 AM
From a raw potential standpoint, I understand that Amare comparison, but its still a lil off base...anyways.

I would be open to aquiring JJ, we need a pure shooter on the roster period...I also think JJ (if he can stay healthy) can show us and the league he's better than he's been thus far.

It does scare me a lil, that he couldn't get more SG minutes on the Magic of all teams, but Stan likes defenders, and Bogans is a more rounded player than JJ...I would deal him for a Mardy with the quickness. They could actually use a player like Mardy in their backcourt (size/D) the same way we could use 8-9 points off the bench from a high % jump shooter.

Knicks Fire Dog
07-11-2008, 09:16 AM
The key when discussing Reddick is his role. If you are looking for a large minutes guy then his defense is an issue. If you are looking for a guy to play a Steve Kerr type role like the Spurs had guys play for years then you can live with his bad defense. I'm speaking only as a situational 3 point threat off the bench.

I like Balk a lot but I dont think he is going to play ahead of Danilo, Chandler, Qrich and Jeffries.

I do have to admit you may have lost me a bit with the Amare comparison. Sure they do some similar things but that is a pretty big leap. :)

Thanks for understanding about the Balkman comparison. :cool:

I totally understand about the Steve Kerr role and Brent Barry type of player and could even be compared to a Mark Price type person if given the opportunity but when would he have it. We got nate (fan favorite) Jamal (takes all the shots) Marbury (if he stays then running the offense) and now Duhon ( who people are saying if Marbury stays putting them together at the same time to see how that works and sliding marbury at the 2 spot. The we have Q-Rich. Remember he was a 2 originally and the 3 he has never gotten comfortable and with the flourish of SF and PF we have, Q would be the best possible sub off the bench. I just do not see JJ ever playing UNLESS we get rid of some people to free up some space. Then I will whole hardely agree with you SLY because given the chance, he would be a solid role player and pretty nasty for us.....but then again, do we need another role player???

ari1013
07-11-2008, 09:17 AM
If we add Reddick, he simply replaces Q in the rotation in my mind.

Even hobbled, Q's a better defender than JJ.

If we could have gotten Pietrus, I'd have been listening. But there's a reason Orlando went after Pietrus.

Anyway, JJ's probably going to give us about 15 minutes of action backing up JC if he does in fact get burn. Looking at his stats, that's his career minutes average. In his career he hasn't quite played one full NBA season, but it's close enough. So here's what we can expect:
6.5 PPG - 1.3 RPG - 0.9 APG, 39% shooting from 3 (roughly going 96 for 246).

Contrast that with Q who will likely play around 20 or so minutes. 8.3 PPG - 3.6 RPG - 1.3 APG on 35% shooting from 3 (roughly going 87 for 246 -- or about 1 more missed shot every two weeks).

If we can get him for Mardy, sure -- but only because he has more value than Mardy in future trades. If he costs Balkman, no thanks. We can do better for Balkman.

Knicks845
07-11-2008, 09:21 AM
Redick finnaly available? what if we sent balkmen and malik for sg redick, we have these two guys who dont fit with mike d's offense redick can be great and would be another fan favorite who will bring alot of ppl to watch at the garden, i say we have to get him

Yeah, I would do this, we open up room for danillo and chandler and get a much needed shooter.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-11-2008, 09:24 AM
Thanks for understanding about the Balkman comparison. :cool:

I totally understand about the Steve Kerr role and Brent Barry type of player and could even be compared to a Mark Price type person if given the opportunity but when would he have it. We got nate (fan favorite) Jamal (takes all the shots) Marbury (if he stays then running the offense) and now Duhon ( who people are saying if Marbury stays putting them together at the same time to see how that works and sliding marbury at the 2 spot. The we have Q-Rich. Remember he was a 2 originally and the 3 he has never gotten comfortable and with the flourish of SF and PF we have, Q would be the best possible sub off the bench. I just do not see JJ ever playing UNLESS we get rid of some people to free up some space. Then I will whole hardely agree with you SLY because given the chance, he would be a solid role player and pretty nasty for us.....but then again, do we need another role player???

It depends on how you look at things. We have 5 sfs. Mardy isnt going to play at guard most likely. Marbury quite possibly will not be here. Do I plan around Reddick being a 20mpg player? No as you said we have Jcraw, Duhon and Nate. Do I think we need a lights out 3 point shooter for key "Steve Kerr" type situations late in games? Yes. Most good teams over the years had a situational 3 point shooter to help win those close games. Say there are 5 seconds left in a game and you are down by 3 with no time outs. Then defense is not a factor. Or Closing out a half with 6 seconds left. Situations like that are what I'm considering.

If we trade Mardy/Balk for him we would be clearing room plus there is a possibility we may have 2 other roster spots available (Jerome James, Marbury) soon as well.

cheetos185
07-11-2008, 09:27 AM
If we add Reddick, he simply replaces Q in the rotation in my mind.

Even hobbled, Q's a better defender than JJ.

If we could have gotten Pietrus, I'd have been listening. But there's a reason Orlando went after Pietrus.

Anyway, JJ's probably going to give us about 15 minutes of action backing up JC if he does in fact get burn. Looking at his stats, that's his career minutes average. In his career he hasn't quite played one full NBA season, but it's close enough. So here's what we can expect:
6.5 PPG - 1.3 RPG - 0.9 APG, 39% shooting from 3 (roughly going 96 for 246).

Contrast that with Q who will likely play around 20 or so minutes. 8.3 PPG - 3.6 RPG - 1.3 APG on 35% shooting from 3 (roughly going 87 for 246 -- or about 1 more missed shot every two weeks).

If we can get him for Mardy, sure -- but only because he has more value than Mardy in future trades. If he costs Balkman, no thanks. We can do better for Balkman.

The thing to ur theory is that JJ is healthy and he can back-up for entire season but can u say the same thing about Q ... i don't think he averaged those numbers this season. If we get the chance to get JJ for balk or mardy than go for it we need some depth at SG and more real 3pt shooters :)

yanks19791024
07-11-2008, 09:30 AM
go get him he prob will be easy to get and in our new o he will score 10 to 15 a game bc he will get shots...

Knicks Fire Dog
07-11-2008, 09:31 AM
Alright Sly,

You are the Vet and rightfully so and have convinced me that adding Reddick would be good as long as we have cleared up space for him.

still a fan
07-11-2008, 09:32 AM
Sly you were reading my mind LOL, you said what I was searching for and found:

We could use this type of guy, exactly situationally and key spots, When Kerr was with the Bulls the Knicks would put a few stops together, kinda shut down Jordan a bit, push Pippen around a bit, then Jackson would put Kerr in and he drain the 3's and change the complexion of the game!!

How could we not want a guy who can do this for guys that will not be in the rotation??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QfL9RcWcgQ&feature=related

ari1013
07-11-2008, 09:35 AM
The thing to ur theory is that JJ is healthy and he can back-up for entire season but can u say the same thing about Q ... i don't think he averaged those numbers this season. If we get the chance to get JJ for balk or mardy than go for it we need some depth at SG and more real 3pt shooters :)
JJ's never done that either. In fact JJ's never even played 50 games in a season before. I'm making an assumption here that all else will be equal, and in that case a hurt Q is still better than JJ.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-11-2008, 09:36 AM
Alright Sly,

You are the Vet and rightfully so and have convinced me that adding Reddick would be good as long as we have cleared up space for him.

I do not think there is any right or wrong answer here. Its just personal opinion on each player and our needs. It also might just come down to what does Mike D think in terms of us adding an outside shooter. I'm not a huge Reddick fan. I just do think that we can use a late game 3 point specialist. Many close games come down to the last 10 seconds. It would be nice to win some of those. :)

I also wonder how Mardy and Balkman are going to get any minutes this year. :)

still a fan
07-11-2008, 09:47 AM
I do not think there is any right or wrong answer here. Its just personal opinion on each player and our needs. It also might just come down to what does Mike D think in terms of us adding an outside shooter. I'm not a huge Reddick fan. I just do think that we can use a late game 3 point specialist. Many close games come down to the last 10 seconds. It would be nice to win some of those. :)

I also wonder how Mardy and Balkman are going to get any minutes this year. :)

Sly I posted this but you might have missed it with other posts coming in, exactly what you are talking about!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QfL9RcWcgQ&feature=related

SLY WILLIAMS
07-11-2008, 09:58 AM
Sly I posted this but you might have missed it with other posts coming in, exactly what you are talking about!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QfL9RcWcgQ&feature=related

I didnt see this post originally. It does shows the kind of situation where you need a 3 point specialist. Now if we are getting blown out by 20 points than JJ wont help but in close games late he could be a nice asset to come off the bench. The league used to be full of late game 3 point specialists.

We will probably have around 20-30 close games next year. I think our overall record may come down to whether we win or lose the majority of those close games.

lionheartc
07-11-2008, 10:19 AM
I would only got after him if I feel he is the best SG on the market.
We haven't seen much of him play because the damn magic won't play him.
They really screwed him when they drafted him.

I think we should wait alittle before we sign a sg. We do need a strong backup sg

MrBloop
07-11-2008, 10:37 AM
Thanks for understanding about the Balkman comparison. :cool:

I totally understand about the Steve Kerr role and Brent Barry type of player and could even be compared to a Mark Price type person if given the opportunity but when would he have it. We got nate (fan favorite) Jamal (takes all the shots) Marbury (if he stays then running the offense) and now Duhon ( who people are saying if Marbury stays putting them together at the same time to see how that works and sliding marbury at the 2 spot. The we have Q-Rich. Remember he was a 2 originally and the 3 he has never gotten comfortable and with the flourish of SF and PF we have, Q would be the best possible sub off the bench. I just do not see JJ ever playing UNLESS we get rid of some people to free up some space. Then I will whole hardely agree with you SLY because given the chance, he would be a solid role player and pretty nasty for us.....but then again, do we need another role player???


whoaaaaaaaatttttt! wait a second, let me just stop you right here, (excuse me if I come off as a prick here...but)


What year were you born in ????? I was born in 76'...

Do you know who Mark Price was?????????

Mark Price was one of the premier PG's in the league in the mid 80's to mid
90's and one of the best pure shiiters in NBA history, not just some 20 min a night bench shooter...lets just get that straight in here b4 it gets overlooked (b/c it will) by the I was born in 1990 kiddies in the psd.

Great Passer, great defender, take no **** ball player...maybe your confusing him with his brother Brent (good shooter, solid) but come on now...Brent Barry, Steve Kerr, and JJ Reddick combined couldn't hold his jock strap with two hands.

Sorry to rain down on you like this dude, but compare him to some1 a lil less deserving, like a hubert davis...a dale ellis (thats a stretch) or a eddie house...or just leave it at a steve kerr.


We need more quality role players, we only have a couple of those, maybe if JJ steps up, he could become 1.

Hustla23
07-11-2008, 10:44 AM
I actually posted this trade idea on the Orlando forum before this thread was put up. :p

Might wanna check it out.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243825

I proposed Balkman + Mardy for Redick + 2nd rounder. It's actually un unfair deal for us cuz Balk is a solid role player, but we should trade him because he won't crack Mike's rotation.

MrBloop
07-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Sorry about the rant, but too many times in here players from other era's get slighted b/c of lack of knowledge or genuine misspeak...All I'm sayin is, if we had a "Mark Price" type, we would be going deep into the playoffs.

Think Steve Nash but not AS dynamic...that was Mark Price back in the day...less hype tho...better shooter, much better defender, much less supporting class.




****And yes I will stop clinging to his balls right now.

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
07-11-2008, 10:49 AM
J.J. for THREE!!
Count it!
J.J. would be perfect for our system IMO. He's a lights out shooter, and would get plenty of open opportunities, which he didnt miss in college, and wont miss here. Balkman is stuck behind Chandler and The Rooster, he is a trade commodity now, and Collins just isn't that good.

still a fan
07-11-2008, 10:55 AM
Sorry about the rant, but too many times in here players from other era's get slighted b/c of lack of knowledge or genuine misspeak...All I'm sayin is, if we had a "Mark Price" type, we would be going deep into the playoffs.

Think Steve Nash but not AS dynamic...that was Mark Price back in the day...less hype tho...better shooter, much better defender, much less supporting class.




****And yes I will stop clinging to his balls right now.


Nice come back, and your not that old LOL

I loved Price: he came right in and played with consistency, and yes even the younger guys here can know about his shooting, but damn could he pass and get the whole team involved in the flow of the game. One of the smarter PG's to play that position!!

Very talented!! 6ft tall and you didn't see teams game plan against him!!!

HOZ THE KNICK
07-11-2008, 11:17 AM
reddick for balkman,is a fair trade for both sides and besides we have a roster full of sf's anyway.

Hustla23
07-11-2008, 11:21 AM
Is JJ an unrestricted free agent or a restricted one?

jbaruch76
07-12-2008, 01:50 PM
NO MORE DUKIES!!!! it's gonna be hard enough next season rooting for duhon.

Sports Illustrator
07-12-2008, 01:59 PM
I do not think there is any right or wrong answer here. Its just personal opinion on each player and our needs. It also might just come down to what does Mike D think in terms of us adding an outside shooter. I'm not a huge Reddick fan. I just do think that we can use a late game 3 point specialist. Many close games come down to the last 10 seconds. It would be nice to win some of those. :)

I also wonder how Mardy and Balkman are going to get any minutes this year. :)

Because of that particular reason, I'd be willing to trade either Mardy Collins or Renaldo Balkman (preferably Mardy Collins of course) in exchange for JJ Redick. We already have Quentin Richardson, but the fact is that we really don't have a backup Shooting Guard and Redick is just a natural shooter that could benefit the Knicks under D'Antoni's system. I wouldn't do anything different than that though, because in reality we don't NEED Redick, it'd just be a minor improvement. Seeing that the Magic were looking into a defensive PG this summer already with Chris Duhon, Mardy Collins for JJ Redick could be something they'd be willing to consider.

PJAF
07-12-2008, 03:24 PM
He is a waste. Apart from Elton Brand, Duke does not turn out good pros. Maybe Grant Hill but nobody knows cause he got hurt.

cypherthor
07-12-2008, 04:05 PM
Price was a sweet player. I think in many ways he was better than nash. He use to school the knicks when he came to the garden.

SLY WILLIAMS
07-12-2008, 04:16 PM
Sorry about the rant, but too many times in here players from other era's get slighted b/c of lack of knowledge or genuine misspeak...All I'm sayin is, if we had a "Mark Price" type, we would be going deep into the playoffs.

Think Steve Nash but not AS dynamic...that was Mark Price back in the day...less hype tho...better shooter, much better defender, much less supporting class.


****And yes I will stop clinging to his balls right now.

Mark Price was a very good player. I wish we had a Mark Price for sure. Lights out shooter, good ball handler, good passer. Shame his career dived after his injury.

J4KOP99
07-12-2008, 05:00 PM
I think if the Knicks can get Redick for Balkman they will be helping themselves out. I watched everyone of JJ's games at Duke and if he can be half of that player(which he definitely can in this system) the knicks will be much better off. He knows how to play he just was not getting a chance in Orlando. It was obvious he was playing with 0 confidence and for a shooter, that is not a good thing.
Also, looking at the big picture, on all great teams there is a lights out shooter so why not give JJ a chance and see what he can do. Remember, if the Knicks are building toward LeBron, he is going to need someone to kick the ball out to occasionally. Redick is a solid offensive player, I dont care what others have to say, let him play in D'Antoni's system and watch what happens.

Orange N Blue15
07-12-2008, 05:42 PM
i would love to get JJ in a knicks uniform he would be perfect in mikes system and be our backup sg plus i wanna get younger players to build around for the future....Danilo/Chandler/Nate/JJ /D lee and id thrown in Duhon only because hes 25 and hasnt gotten a chance to start yet...i like these players to grow in the future and become either good trading chips or players who start making us contenders again

Chrisstyles
07-12-2008, 05:43 PM
Q sucks and JJ sucks, all 3 of them. We all talk abt Marbury, Q is the real buyout. Marbury said we needed shooters cause Q cant shoot. Buy him out please! KEEP STARBURY he's what Gallo and Chandler needs