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HouRealCoach
07-10-2008, 06:13 PM
I know were defensive team but Kings held their oponents well under 100 and still got over 100 but why didnt we??

richardle9
07-10-2008, 06:31 PM
we are not the kings we are the Rockets

goku
07-10-2008, 08:24 PM
plus it was our first season in the system

Rhyming Rebel
07-10-2008, 10:55 PM
um because we have 2 people that can Score at will and the Kings had 5. Dont worry that is about to change.

Jay22Redd
07-11-2008, 03:13 AM
Changes are coming

Chronz
07-11-2008, 05:02 AM
Well techinically the Rockets arent the only team if you recall his last year in Sacto, they averaged 98.9.

But as far as the theme of the thread, its a combination of pace and efficiency.

Adelman Led Teams (Pace Rank/Offensive Rank)
07-08: (20th/17th)
05-06: (9th/11th)
04-05: (8th/3rd)
03-04: (4th/2nd)
02-03: (1st/6th)
01-02: (1st/3rd)
00-01: (2nd/9th)
99-00: (1st/11th)

Rockets were by far the slowest paced team Adelman has ever coached and the least effective offensively in his recent history. The Rockets were basically the same team as a unit only difference was that the PF position offset Tmacs decline, and the fact that Yao wasnt as much of a factor offensively as last year. Say what you will about JVG and his offense but he got the most out of Tmac and Yao. Adelman has not done the same.

Renovator
07-11-2008, 07:35 AM
Well techinically the Rockets arent the only team if you recall his last year in Sacto, they averaged 98.9.

But as far as the theme of the thread, its a combination of pace and efficiency.

Adelman Led Teams (Pace Rank/Offensive Rank)
07-08: (20th/17th)
05-06: (9th/11th)
04-05: (8th/3rd)
03-04: (4th/2nd)
02-03: (1st/6th)
01-02: (1st/3rd)
00-01: (2nd/9th)
99-00: (1st/11th)

Rockets were by far the slowest paced team Adelman has ever coached and the least effective offensively in his recent history. The Rockets were basically the same team as a unit only difference was that the PF position offset Tmacs decline, and the fact that Yao wasnt as much of a factor offensively as last year. Say what you will about JVG and his offense but he got the most out of Tmac and Yao. Adelman has not done the same.

That is so true. The pace of this Rockets team didnt really change as much as everyone thought it would. Aldeman pormised he would make scoring easier for TMAC and YAO, but it hasnt happened.

But I'm willing to make rooms for excuses such as it was the first year and YAO was injured.

Tmac to da rack
07-11-2008, 11:14 AM
Well heres my opinion, Adelman always had good shooters in his squads, Last year we really didnt have any good 3 point shooters, and Rockets Bricked alot of open 3's, Now with the addition of Barry, I expect our offense to run smoother, and spread out the court, Battier will also make teams pay, and now teams wont be able to double team as much on Tmac and Yao, if they do then barrys knocking them down, if they dont double then Tmac or Yao will win 80% of there 1 on 1 battles, plus Scola will just get better!

shinjirod
07-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Its the style of ball the Rockets play. They are slow, play half court, dont really run, and then, there's the defence.

When youre such a good defensive team, one that contests every shot, and that fights in every inch of the court, the other teams have to slow down and take more time looking for a good shot, which makes the time go by, reducing the amount of shots and posessions. A better offensive indicator than PPG is the offensive rankings found on the NBA.com power rankings, which are based on average points over a certain amount of posessions.

Russjr2
07-11-2008, 11:54 AM
Yep, I agree, we just did not have the same type of offensive players he had in Sacto all those years. When you only have two players on the floor and sometimes only one, that can consistently create their own shot, you are not going to score a lot of points. Hopefully that landscape is in the process of changing this summer or by the trade deadline. We HAVE to have players that can shoot, move and pass the ball.

prash
07-11-2008, 12:13 PM
Watching McGrady and the Rockets last season was pretty painful at times. Their ability to score hurt to watch at times. Esp game 6 of the playoffs.

We were down 19 in the first half and McGrady went on a tear to score 28 first half points and bring the team within 2. Than the 2nd half starts & no one shows up again.

However because they're so tough defensively I'm sill positive about their chances to go to the Finals.. It's better to have offensive problems than defensive breakdowns.. know what i'm sayin...

Tmac to da rack
07-11-2008, 03:44 PM
we still havent solved that problem, we need to get that 3rd scorer, or else same crap might happen like in game 6.

IndiansFan337
07-11-2008, 04:27 PM
we still havent solved that problem, we need to get that 3rd scorer
This is exactly why they didn't average 100 ppg. When Yao went down you inserted Dikembe Mutombo into the starting lineup. That's a decrease of about 20 ppg between the two players. It's tough to replace that kind of production.

This team simply doesn't have enough guys capable of putting up 20+ ppg on any given night. Adelman previously had a roster with a young Bobby Jackson, Mike Bibby, Hedo Turkoglu, Brad Miller, Chris Webber, etc. Those guys could all put 15-25 pts on the board on any given night.

JordansBulls
07-11-2008, 04:42 PM
we still havent solved that problem, we need to get that 3rd scorer, or else same crap might happen like in game 6.

If you have Yao and T-mac who average 25 ppg each and then each starter averages 10 ppg then you have 80 pts.

The problem was getting rid of Bonzi Wells and not playing Steve Francis. Had you guys had them I think you guys could have taking it all this year.

Tmac to da rack
07-11-2008, 08:26 PM
Yeah Right that wasnt the problem, lol then explain the year before that when Yao and Tmac where healthy and still lost to Jazz?

Chronz
07-11-2008, 10:00 PM
Adelman Led Teams (Before and After)


Sacramento Kings
Pace Offensive RTG Defensive RTG
Before: 92.1(6th) 100.8 (26th) 106.9 (22nd)
After: 96.0(1st) 102.7 (13th) 103.1 (18th)
+3.9(+5) +1.9(+13) -3.8(+4)


These Kings won the same amount of games but did so in a lockout season, they went from averaging 93.1PPG to averaging 100.6. They were already a face paced team that he just made faster, their defense improved much more than their offense but it was their offense that made the biggest turnaround in terms of league ranking. The reason for this was the roster change;

Top Usage Players and their Offensive RTG(Rotational Players)
98 Kings_______ Offensive RTG - USG%
Mitch Ritchmond --------- 112 - 27.8
Corliss Williamson -------- 103 - 24.1
Lawrence Funderburke --- 106 - 21.3
Olden Polynice ------------ 96 - 21.1
Billy Owens -------------- 100 - 18.3
Terry Dehere ------------- 99 - 18.6
Anthony Johnson --------- 95 - 15.2
Michael Stewart ---------- 99 - 11.9

Mitch Ritchmond was carrying that offense, without him it wouldve been dead last. Heres how the Kings looked under Adelman.

99 Kings_______ Offensive RTG - USG%
Chris Webber ------------- 98 - 24.9
Vernon Maxwell ---------- 102 - 22.8
Corliss Williamson -------- 104 - 22.1
Vlade Divac ------------- 108 - 19.4
Jason Williams ------------ 97 - 19.1
Peja Stojakovic ---------- 103 - 19.1
Tariq Abdul-Wahad ------- 98 - 19.0
Lawrence Funderburke --- 116 - 18.4
Jon Barry ---------------- 117 - 12.9

More talent = Better results, Webber wasnt as effecient as Mitch but combined with Vlade they made those around them better, as evident by both Corliss Williams and Lawrence Funderburke experiencing boosts in their offensive rating, in Lawrence's case it was a significant one. They also didnt have to play nobodies like Terry Dehere and Billy Owens , replacing them with Peja, Webber, Vlade, J-Will, Vernon. While none of them were as potent as Mitch offensively, they made up for it by being tremendous passers.


You cant expect the Rockets to transform into great offensive team without adding more offensive weapons, elite defense can only get you so far.

Chronz
07-11-2008, 10:03 PM
Yeah Right that wasnt the problem, lol then explain the year before that when Yao and Tmac where healthy and still lost to Jazz?

He was talkin about this year, with this squad.

shinjirod
07-12-2008, 11:06 AM
Yeah Right that wasnt the problem, lol then explain the year before that when Yao and Tmac where healthy and still lost to Jazz?

That series was very close, and we didnt have anyone good enough at the PF to match their strength on the position. Also, Rafer wasnt playing at the level he did this last season.